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Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.04 23:33:00 - [1] Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
sAyArrrr Minmatar Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.04 23:37:00 - [2] Hurricane, because it can fit eccm/trackingdisruptor/2nd web.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.04 23:43:00 - [3] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 04/11/2008 23:44:45 Originally by: sAyArrrr Hurricane, because it can fit eccm/trackingdisruptor/2nd web. So, basically, something like MWD/disruptor/scrambler/web? I was thinking of a Myrmidon with something like: 1600mm RT MAR II 2x EANM II DC II Gyrostab II MWD disruptor scrambler web ECCM (or TD maybe? Would prefer ECCM, with ECM drones being very popular) 6x D180mm AC II rof rig+2x falloff Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.11.05 01:03:00 - [4] why disruptor and scrambler??
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.11.05 01:48:00 - [5] Originally by: sAyArrrr Hurricane, because it can fit eccm/trackingdisruptor/2nd web. THIS. 220's mwd, disrupter, ECCM, web gank lows buffer tank as ususal
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.05 01:52:00 - [6] Harb!
Helfix Caldari Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat	Posted - 2008.11.05 02:23:00 - [7] I like my HAM Drake tbh
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.11.05 03:08:00 - [8] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 05/11/2008 03:09:32 I dunno Branko, unless they changed the way that sentries operate, fighting on a gate in a Myrm is generally a bad idea. Losing 20M in drones was what made me decide that Caldari Cruiser 3 was actually a good idea. ;-) -Liang Ed: Which is to say that my first pirate BC was a Myrm, and drones suck on gates, and you operate on gates. And also don't forget the med drone tracking nerf. Also, I don't know how the Drake will fare after the patch. I didn't have the willpower to keep testing after they **ed over my favorite ships... you might have noticed that I stopped posting. I stopped reading too. :P -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire Liang/Vanesca - Order/Iron Rock@WAR www.kwikdeath.org
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 03:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs why disruptor and scrambler?? In order to actually prevent people from trivially MWD-ing away and hold them in range? Originally by: Megan Maynard mwd, disrupter, ECCM, web Works horribly on SISI for a host of reasons. Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 05/11/2008 03:09:32 I dunno Branko, unless they changed the way that sentries operate, fighting on a gate in a Myrm is generally a bad idea. Losing 20M in drones was what made me decide that Caldari Cruiser 3 was actually a good idea. ;-) Well, serious fights solo on gates are a no-no anyway in a BC (and plated Hurricanes can't gatecamp well anyway). For operating in a gang, I just use a shield buffered artycane. Nothing changes there, just wondering what to do for solo work. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lurana Lay Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.05 03:48:00 - [10] Well, whatever people fly solo it sure as hell won't be a shield tanking missile ship of any stripe.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 03:51:00 - [11] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/11/2008 03:52:55 Originally by: Lurana Lay Well, whatever people fly solo it sure as hell won't be a shield tanking missile ship of any stripe. Uhhh... the only ship I really fear engaging in a Hurricane is a HAM Drake. Fortunately they're rare. If you don't have a slaveset, the solo HAM Drake is going to eat you up and spit you out. It's the requirement to stand a chance. They're that nasty. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lurana Lay Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.05 03:54:00 - [12] Weaker tank now due to HAVING to fit a painter. Not to mention the usual buffer style TQ tank will add lameness to the sig radius. HAM Javelin nerf too. Right?
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 03:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Lurana Lay Weaker tank now due to HAVING to fit a painter. Don't see it as a requirement vs BCs or cruisers, just need to fit scram+web (like everyone else). Sure, you'll run into some problems if its a AB-ing lolfit, but meh. Originally by: Lurana Lay Not to mention the usual buffer style TQ tank will add lameness to the sig radius. HAM Javelin nerf too. Right? Solo Drakes nearly never needed Javelins because you fight in tackle range when solo, and sig radius has the same effect vs turrets like on TQ. It's not a big deal unless you're trying to fight BS. If you're trying to fight BS solo, then, well... erm Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.11.05 04:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Cpt Branko If you're trying to fight BS solo, then, well... erm Then you kick their ass. :) -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire Liang/Vanesca - Order/Iron Rock@WAR www.kwikdeath.org
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 04:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Cpt Branko If you're trying to fight BS solo, then, well... erm Then you kick their ass. :) -Liang Well, yeah, on SISI... but I don't see people soloing in a BS anymore so meh, unless its a Dominix / Phoon which will murder you anyway. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.11.05 04:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Cpt Branko Well, yeah, on SISI... but I don't see people soloing in a BS anymore so meh, unless its a Dominix / Phoon which will murder you anyway. In my experience, Domis have bad luck vs Drakes and I was under the impression that the Phoon was going to get murdered by the missile changes. There won't be any more solo BS bull** - get yourself an AF to solo in. Well, that was my take on it before I stopped caring. :) -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire Liang/Vanesca - Order/Iron Rock@WAR www.kwikdeath.org
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 10:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Gneeznow Harb! What fit? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Chimii Lecto Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.05 10:43:00 - [18] Doubt that a hurricane can take out a well flown harbinger actually. But will have to see after the 11th ---------- /Pretty posting.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 10:48:00 - [19] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/11/2008 10:48:33 Originally by: Chimii Lecto Doubt that a hurricane can take out a well flown harbinger actually. But will have to see after the 11th It's feasible on TQ, depending on ranges and fittings. Landing up close, the Hurricane (on TQ) has the advantage. On SISI, well... the real problem is keeping him in Hail M range. Scrambler+web works naturally, as long as he doesn't have a AB. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.05 10:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Gneeznow Harb! What fit? Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Reactor Control Unit II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Barton Reactor Capacitor Recharger I Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x5 720 dps and I have my alt follow me around in an oneiros, vulnerable to neuts tho, however last time I used this harb with oneiros alt I ploughed through like a 5 man gang of passive drakes was pretty awesome
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:01:00 - [21] Have to admit havent tested HAM drake vs AFs yet on sisi, but right now on TQ the last thing an AF worries about is drakes. Sure you cant kill them usually, but there dps on you is also very low. I doubt it will be better for the drake after expansion. I think hurricane will do fine after expansion. And since you say yourself that you wont use it to fight at gates, i suppose you use it in belts. Then why do you want to have both scram and disruptor anyway. You can just mwd after him. Cruisers are probably dead before they are at 24km distance where they can escape, even if they got scram you can mwd also from 10-24km distance, frigs cant mwd due to neuts and other battlecruisers wont be fast enough to escape anyway. Only issue would be harbingers or drake fitted with both a disruptor and scrambler, so they can keep distance. But i dont think there will be that many of them.
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:06:00 - [22] Funnily enough CCP almost buffed the tempest by nerfing other battleship. It becomes the best solo Battleship. 5 mids and space for neuts means it continues to be the exact same ship as always. Whiel others were nerfed.
fivetide humidyear Gallente EXCESS10N	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:09:00 - [23] Edited by: fivetide humidyear on 05/11/2008 11:10:00 more gank 7x heavy pulse II / scorch loaded, amarr navy multispec carried and conflag 1x mwd II 1x langour webber 1x faint warp prohibitor 1x small cap booster (800) 1x EANM II 1x pseudoelectronic damage control 1x 800mm rolled tungsten plate 3x heat sink II rigs trimarks / optimal rigs? 5x ec-600 or 5x ec-300, 5x warrior II mess about with the mids for make up of gang / solo, had to go with named stuff for cpu savings, it's tight on this ship. getting a neut on it is really difficult with heavy pulse, easier with focused pulse and 800mm plate: 5x focused pulse II 2x medium neutraliser II 10Mn MWD II 2 of scrambler / disrupter / webber / ECCM small cap booster 1x 800mm rolled tusngsten plate 1x damage control II / named to save cpu 1x EANM II 3x heat sink II have to see how scrambler and disruptor togetehr works out, with the harby your dps is good out to 20km for focussed.
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Cpt Branko Up to this point I've been predominantly a Hurricane pilot. However, with the SISI patch I'm having doubts wether to keep flying it - as I'm having issues achieving the same performance out of a post patch Hurricane. Drake and Harbinger are both excellent. They can reach far enough not to have to keep a target sub 10km. Drake does it better since you don't have to switch to javelins until further out. On the other hand switching to scorch on the harbi is faster. I'm sure the myrmidon is still decent, too. But not as good as those two. ----------------------
Chimii Lecto Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:09:00 - [25] Edited by: Chimii Lecto on 05/11/2008 11:10:06 Originally by: Gneeznow Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Reactor Control Unit II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Barton Reactor Capacitor Recharger I Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x5 720 dps and I have my alt follow me around in an oneiros, vulnerable to neuts tho, however last time I used this harb with oneiros alt I ploughed through like a 5 man gang of passive drakes was pretty awesome Swap your 1600MM plate for a 800MM and then change your RCU for an EANM. Edit: Oh and i use a small cap booster with 200's instead of a cap recharger. ---------- /Pretty posting.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Furb Killer Have to admit havent tested HAM drake vs AFs yet on sisi, but right now on TQ the last thing an AF worries about is drakes. Sure you cant kill them usually, but there dps on you is also very low. I doubt it will be better for the drake after expansion. Well, I figure that even with a 4-5 fold damage reduction to AFs, that's still 100+ DPS dealt - combine with 100 DPS from Hobgoblin IIs or with Warrior IIs and you're downing AFs fast. In a AF I have found little problems tanking the average mission fit Drakes on TQ, but they're mostly HML fits without BCUs, or one at most, etc. Originally by: Furb Killer I think hurricane will do fine after expansion. And since you say yourself that you wont use it to fight at gates, i suppose you use it in belts. Then why do you want to have both scram and disruptor anyway. You can just mwd after him. First off, for HAC killing, you must be able to shut off their MWD, else they will bugger out of range quick. Since I particularly enjoy HAC killing, thats one important use for MWD. It's somewhat valid for cruisers which could also easily burn out of range unless you melt them fast (which you might be able to with their lower EHP however). Second, for killing BCs which have better optimals, you need to be able to shut off their MWD too. For instance, if that Harbringer can keep me at 6-7km, I'm certainly dead. Likewise vs a HAM Drake. Originally by: Furb Killer But i dont think there will be that many of them. Idk, I'd probably personally use a scram on a Drake. At any rate, any ranged competitor needs to only keep me out of 5km range and he can win with ease assuming equal skills. Besides, I don't really praying on 'let him not have a scram' every fight or seeing faster ships (or scrambling fits) continously burn out of range. Will test a 2x web fit, but that drops the ECCM (and flying without ECCM feels like flying naked tbh). Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:22:00 - [27] Personally, I've got no idea what combination of MWD, AB, disruptor and scrambler my HAM Drake will use. Hey, I've got six midslots, so I can fit all of them, and a web and a painter as well!
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:40:00 - [28] Myrmidon, since you know you want the 5 mids Any reason you picked D180s over 220s for your Myrm setup though? *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:57:00 - [29] Edited by: Gneeznow on 05/11/2008 11:58:06 Originally by: Chimii Lecto Swap your 1600MM plate for a 800MM and then change your RCU for an EANM. Edit: Oh and i use a small cap booster with 200's instead of a cap recharger. NO
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:58:00 - [30] Originally by: Artemis Rose Myrmidon, since you know you want the 5 mids Any reason you picked D180s over 220s for your Myrm setup though? I'm not sure right now, I think they're the biggest which fit after projectile rigs. Biggest guns you can fit obviously. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint

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