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The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.11.07 00:18:00 - [61] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 06/11/2008 23:04:08 The Myrmidon is quite good, no question. Want to trade rep bonus for projectile/laser rof/damage bonus! Well it isn¦t this bad on the Myrmidon actualy since it is a flexible Drone ship, Tracking in Web Range is quite a bit harder, a good Tank might be better now instead of a Gank setup in the end. If you reduce Damage by a single target to a tankable amount(what is not this hard with the changes) a Drone ship can take out preaty mutch anything by outlasting them and Nos/Neut them down, simlar as now where the plated Gank fitting is more or less the only real danger in a 1o1 fight. With the 2 Webs it still can hold targets close and control trasversial and range, since there is no other sub BB Ship with 5 Mids avaidalbe(exept the Ishtar or a AT Cyclone) quite a advantage now. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.07 01:22:00 - [62] Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 06/11/2008 23:04:08 The Myrmidon is quite good, no question. Want to trade rep bonus for projectile/laser rof/damage bonus! Well it isn¦t this bad on the Myrmidon actualy since it is a flexible Drone ship, Tracking in Web Range is quite a bit harder, a good Tank might be better now instead of a Gank setup in the end. If you reduce Damage by a single target to a tankable amount(what is not this hard with the changes) a Drone ship can take out preaty mutch anything by outlasting them and Nos/Neut them down, simlar as now where the plated Gank fitting is more or less the only real danger in a 1o1 fight. With the 2 Webs it still can hold targets close and control trasversial and range, since there is no other sub BB Ship with 5 Mids avaidalbe(exept the Ishtar or a AT Cyclone) quite a advantage now. Admittedly true, but in a fight vs another tanked ship you'll have issues with running out of drones... could work, but I think I'll just go for a AC Myrm and fly it in a Minmatarish way (and stick a ECCM in the final mid, always used to roll with it on the Hurricane and it saved me countless times vs ECM drone users). I mean, tanking for solo is just a invitation to get ganged on and killed, particularly on sub-BS ships. I don't like the approach to be honest. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.11.07 10:10:00 - [63] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 06/11/2008 23:04:08 The Myrmidon is quite good, no question. Want to trade rep bonus for projectile/laser rof/damage bonus! Well it isn¦t this bad on the Myrmidon actualy since it is a flexible Drone ship, Tracking in Web Range is quite a bit harder, a good Tank might be better now instead of a Gank setup in the end. If you reduce Damage by a single target to a tankable amount(what is not this hard with the changes) a Drone ship can take out preaty mutch anything by outlasting them and Nos/Neut them down, simlar as now where the plated Gank fitting is more or less the only real danger in a 1o1 fight. With the 2 Webs it still can hold targets close and control trasversial and range, since there is no other sub BB Ship with 5 Mids avaidalbe(exept the Ishtar or a AT Cyclone) quite a advantage now. Admittedly true, but in a fight vs another tanked ship you'll have issues with running out of drones... could work, but I think I'll just go for a AC Myrm and fly it in a Minmatarish way (and stick a ECCM in the final mid, always used to roll with it on the Hurricane and it saved me countless times vs ECM drone users). I mean, tanking for solo is just a invitation to get ganged on and killed, particularly on sub-BS ships. I don't like the approach to be honest. Well might be true for Missle ships but thx to the 60% Web Med Turrets vs Drones takes forever now and the myrmidon gots a HP Bonus for Drones, so good chances to win the rescoping battle. Tanking sub BS Ships pointless or not, well im preaty shure there will be a lot less BS out there after the patch even in small Gang and the plate Gank fitting also might get less common in the end. Changing Low Sec PVP and the huge DPS amounts flying around in solo and small Gang might fade in the adopting stage where tanking sub BS ships becomming more and more likely. Also if plate Gank and Nano won¦t do what else to stick in this lows. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.07 11:16:00 - [64] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 07/11/2008 11:16:56 Originally by: The Djego Well might be true for Missle ships but thx to the 60% Web Med Turrets vs Drones takes forever now and the myrmidon gots a HP Bonus for Drones, so good chances to win the rescoping battle. Tanking sub BS Ships pointless or not, well im preaty shure there will be a lot less BS out there after the patch even in small Gang and the plate Gank fitting also might get less common in the end. Changing Low Sec PVP and the huge DPS amounts flying around in solo and small Gang might fade in the adopting stage where tanking sub BS ships becomming more and more likely. Also if plate Gank and Nano won¦t do what else to stick in this lows. Well, I've tested a variety of Myrmidon fits on SISI, mainly focused on a AC (because blasters are lol) hybrid plate+rep fit. Mind you, my drone skills are not that good - I have not finished Drone Interfacing V (14 days to go, bleah) yet, Scout drone operation IV / gallente drone spec III / Heavy Drone operation III (ugh) / Minmatar drone spec II / drone nav V / drone durability III. By training up my drone skills, I can probably squeeze a whole 100 DPS out of the ship. BC V of course. My AC skills are quite up there, and I only lack med ac spec V and trajectory analysis V to max them out (and I use 5%/3% implants just like on TQ) - however, RF EMP M, the premier ammo to fire on many T2 ships does not exist on SISI, so you have to either stick with Barrage M (which is not good vs most tanked HACs) or EMP M (15% less DPS). Here's what I found: - killing (read: ganking) not well tanked HACs like a Diemost or Vagabond is very easy and reasonably fast, and even though it does not work as well as melting them with a Hurricane on TQ, it is still fast enough. - have not menaged to test vs HAM drakes because the only drake fits I found on SISI were laughable mission fits with 0 BCUs, which you can comfortably tank on a single rep of a unrigged Myrmidon - killing other BCs is not too much of a problem really. You have a massive advantage over most myrmidons because they just can't hit you, so you can kite them all day from 18-19km and kill their drones, and then go up close for the kill after you do. I had a interesting fight vs a trimarked (bad idea tbh) dual plated Hurricane with a AB - easily kiting it with a AC Myrmidon from 20km until it died. - Killing small things is easy. Bonused Warrior II swarm is vicious, and spares insure that even if you kill one, it doesn't matter much. - Killing tanked HACs (which was my worry all along, since on TQ right now it is not a problem outside of implanted rigged boost deadspace fits which are in the 500M+ price range and not very common) is so-so; for the HACs with not such a superb tank, you kill them preety fast. Leaves preety much two HACs with a worthwhile tank, Ishtar and Sacriledge. Well, I tested taking out a tanked Sacriledge, and it just didn't work - after a 5-6 minute fight I went down with him still having 7 cap boosters left. There, a tanked setup with NOS/neuts might've worked better and attempted to outlast it - although, with better skills it might just work. Then again, it might require reworking the setup to a 2-gyro rather then 1-gyro setup, dropping the Myrmidon's repair bonus altogether. Also, for the lols, since 90% of people on SISI are flying stupid fits, I tested a shield buffered AC gank fit with 3 gyros+DC+PDU II+nanofiber II in lows, 3 falloff rigs, and only disruptor/MWD (I'm 100% certain it'd be awesome with FMP IIs fit like this, I just can't use them however - it's the knockoff from the shield buffer blaster Myrm on TQ), going by the logic that you don't need a web for small stuff anyway when you can drone them to death to start with or just ECM them with lights. Amusingly, it worked quite decently. I'll test a bit more later today focusing on gank and on tank fits, particularly gank fits. Shame I don't have laser skills, I have a lovely idea there Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Ess Erbe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.07 11:21:00 - [65] Quote: I just encountered one of those on SISI, they're quite easy to kill. Might work on a Harbringer because it's got actual optimal range and stuff Sup I'm the afterburning Hurricane on Sisi. Just not fast enough :(.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.07 11:23:00 - [66] Originally by: Ess Erbe Quote: I just encountered one of those on SISI, they're quite easy to kill. Might work on a Harbringer because it's got actual optimal range and stuff Sup I'm the afterburning Hurricane on Sisi. Just not fast enough :(. Heheh. You have to admit killing a Hurricane by kiting it with ACs in a Myrmidon is funny Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Ess Erbe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.07 11:25:00 - [67] Edited by: Ess Erbe on 07/11/2008 11:25:33 I tried to kite you too, didn't work so well with the lack of speed and no falloff rigs, too bad that Sisi hiccuped as well :/. But yeah, that was pretty funny, in a sad way :V.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.07 11:59:00 - [68] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 07/11/2008 11:59:36 Originally by: Ess Erbe Edited by: Ess Erbe on 07/11/2008 11:25:33 I tried to kite you too, didn't work so well with the lack of speed and no falloff rigs, too bad that Sisi hiccuped as well :/. But yeah, that was pretty funny, in a sad way :V. Well, the deal without falloff rigs is that you at 15-16km do about 38% of your EFT Barrage M DPS (and 0 drone DPS after they die) - which in a 2 gyrostab Hurricane would translate to about 170-ish DPS or so. Vs a ship with a single rep, it means he takes only 50 effective DPS - would take a eternity to chew through 65.000 EHP of buffer. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Mortuus Minmatar Fat J Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.11.08 00:23:00 - [69] Hows the ol' 650 cane working out on SiSi? Haven't gotten to test it yet. I imagine it would work vs other BCs and cruisers and would get eaten alive by frigates =) Occassus Republica <3
Clansworth Burning Sky Labs Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.08 00:55:00 - [70] I say use a Drake with Assault Launcher II's... ;-) LOTS of fitting left to make the tank that much better.. ;-) Load up some Precision lights, and rip up the AF's that are taunting you.. hehe POS Personal Storage
Phidell Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.08 00:55:00 - [71] Edited by: Phidell on 08/11/2008 00:55:57 Not sure if they changed ECM drones but... maybe try an AB bc? 6x 425 2x medium unstable 2x LSE Scrambler 10mn AB 3x Gyro 2x Overdrive/ no idea 1x DCU 5x ecm drones/Warriors 3x shield resist rigs. Anyway idea is medium neuts will allow you to kill cruisers and smaller once you have actually tackled them. You have decent cap buffer and an AB uses like no cap. ECM drones if unchanged should still work quite well providing a 20s jam cycle is invaluable. Anyway, For everything BS except missile ships, if you manage to overheat your mwd and get in close enough 1v1 wise you should be able to tank most of their damage or reduce it significatly, atleast that's how it is on sisi.
Mortuus Minmatar Fat J Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.11.08 01:09:00 - [72] I was already considering that setup, basically swap my MWD for the AB. I dunno, they can still go respectable speeds with a MWD though. Occassus Republica <3
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.08 01:12:00 - [73] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 08/11/2008 01:13:34 Originally by: Mortuus Hows the ol' 650 cane working out on SiSi? Haven't gotten to test it yet. I imagine it would work vs other BCs and cruisers and would get eaten alive by frigates =) It should work just fine (although I view it as more of a gang ship). Bear in mind that since the patch, there is no virtually no difference in trying to hit frigates with a artycane and a AC Hurricane, both simply miss (well, with ACs you get some hits on the approach vs a frig, but not really relevant if its up close). You can stick 2 small neuts and warrior IIs as anti-frig defence. The only thing a AC Hurricane can hit and a arty one most likely can't would be MWD-ing AFs tackling you out of webrange, and I wouldn't bet on that either. Originally by: Phidell Edited by: Phidell on 08/11/2008 00:55:57 Not sure if they changed ECM drones but... maybe try an AB bc? 6x 425 2x medium unstable 2x LSE Scrambler 10mn AB 3x Gyro 2x Overdrive/ no idea 1x DCU 5x ecm drones/Warriors 3x shield resist rigs. Anyway idea is medium neuts will allow you to kill cruisers and smaller once you have actually tackled them. You have decent cap buffer and an AB uses like no cap. ECM drones if unchanged should still work quite well providing a 20s jam cycle is invaluable. Anyway, For everything BS except missile ships, if you manage to overheat your mwd and get in close enough 1v1 wise you should be able to tank most of their damage or reduce it significatly, atleast that's how it is on sisi. Well, fine but I'd never undock it on TQ. It simply lacks the speed to catch anything - landing 20km from, say, 650mm artycane is certain death ;) Lack of out of 24km tackle is meh too. Besides, you're not speedtanking anything in a BC short of a webbed+scrambled BS so not much point of a AB. Can still use that fit + MWD ofc, but it does have some downsides :P Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Commander Thrawn Fluffy Rabbit Killers	Posted - 2008.11.08 01:22:00 - [74] everyone one has gone nuts, from this patch I swear to god. I hope none of you fly BS after the patch so I can f%^k you with mine. Its really not that hard to fit a few webs on there. ships wont go that fast since nano have been nerfed. when I read this section of the forums I feel like i'm watching a south park episode with all the ******ed mass panic that goes on. "OMG global warming." you're all nuts
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.08 01:28:00 - [75] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 08/11/2008 01:28:40 Originally by: Commander Thrawn everyone one has gone nuts, from this patch I swear to god. I hope none of you fly BS after the patch so I can f%^k you with mine. Its really not that hard to fit a few webs on there. ships wont go that fast since nano have been nerfed. Been on SISI? Obviously not. Btw, if you want to reproduce the effect of a TQ web, you need 3 webs. Transversal control vs ABing ships is out of the question with scramblers. Now, while stuff is slightly slower (non-nano cruisers/HACs are just as fast), it's not 400% slower which is the amount by which webs were nerfed. For instance, D180mm AC IIs (best tracking medium gun in game) with maximum skills will NOT hit a double-webbed ~~afterburning~~ non-afterburning frigate, to give you a rough idea. Any solo capable fits are going to have to undergo significant changes. Originally by: Commander Thrawn when I read this section of the forums I feel like i'm watching a south park episode with all the ******ed mass panic that goes on. "OMG global warming." you're all nuts You're just clueless really. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Commander Thrawn Fluffy Rabbit Killers	Posted - 2008.11.08 01:48:00 - [76] Originally by: Cpt BrankoFor instance, D180mm AC IIs (best tracking medium gun in game) with maximum skills will NOT hit a double-webbed ~~afterburning~~ non-afterburning frigate, to give you a rough idea. [/quote use drones it's f*&'ing frig.
Mortuus Minmatar Fat J Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.11.08 01:52:00 - [77] Please use drones on my AF or even my Claw, both ships can kill them before they do any real damage. Occassus Republica <3
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.11.08 01:58:00 - [78] Edited by: The Djego on 08/11/2008 01:58:34 Originally by: Commander Thrawn Originally by: Cpt BrankoFor instance, D180mm AC IIs (best tracking medium gun in game) with maximum skills will NOT hit a double-webbed ~~afterburning~~ non-afterburning frigate, to give you a rough idea. [/quote use drones it's f&'ing frig. Go test it on Sissi, you might be suprised or wait anther 3 days and you will see it on TQ. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by:* Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Phidell Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.08 03:30:00 - [79] Originally by: Commander Thrawn everyone one has gone nuts, from this patch I swear to god. I hope none of you fly BS after the patch so I can f%^k you with mine. Its really not that hard to fit a few webs on there. ships wont go that fast since nano have been nerfed. when I read this section of the forums I feel like i'm watching a south park episode with all the ******ed mass panic that goes on. "OMG global warming." you're all nuts It seems you haven't actually played on sisi.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.11.08 03:39:00 - [80] Chooooo! Choooooooo! Hey CCP, clue train... Chooooooooooooooo!!!!! damn, they missed it. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire Liang/Vanesca - Order/Iron Rock@WAR www.kwikdeath.org
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.08 03:41:00 - [81] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 08/11/2008 03:41:12 Originally by: Mortuus Please use drones on my AF or even my Claw, both ships can kill them before they do any real damage. Drones from a drone carrier are preety much the only working thing short of neuting or 3x web + TP, and even then better have backups (or better yet, medium ECMs ). Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint

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