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Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.04 23:33:00 - [1] Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
sAyArrrr Minmatar Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.04 23:37:00 - [2] Hurricane, because it can fit eccm/trackingdisruptor/2nd web.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.04 23:43:00 - [3] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 04/11/2008 23:44:45 Originally by: sAyArrrr Hurricane, because it can fit eccm/trackingdisruptor/2nd web. So, basically, something like MWD/disruptor/scrambler/web? I was thinking of a Myrmidon with something like: 1600mm RT MAR II 2x EANM II DC II Gyrostab II MWD disruptor scrambler web ECCM (or TD maybe? Would prefer ECCM, with ECM drones being very popular) 6x D180mm AC II rof rig+2x falloff Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.11.05 01:03:00 - [4] why disruptor and scrambler??
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.11.05 01:48:00 - [5] Originally by: sAyArrrr Hurricane, because it can fit eccm/trackingdisruptor/2nd web. THIS. 220's mwd, disrupter, ECCM, web gank lows buffer tank as ususal
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.05 01:52:00 - [6] Harb!
Helfix Caldari Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat	Posted - 2008.11.05 02:23:00 - [7] I like my HAM Drake tbh
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.11.05 03:08:00 - [8] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 05/11/2008 03:09:32 I dunno Branko, unless they changed the way that sentries operate, fighting on a gate in a Myrm is generally a bad idea. Losing 20M in drones was what made me decide that Caldari Cruiser 3 was actually a good idea. ;-) -Liang Ed: Which is to say that my first pirate BC was a Myrm, and drones suck on gates, and you operate on gates. And also don't forget the med drone tracking nerf. Also, I don't know how the Drake will fare after the patch. I didn't have the willpower to keep testing after they **ed over my favorite ships... you might have noticed that I stopped posting. I stopped reading too. :P -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire Liang/Vanesca - Order/Iron Rock@WAR www.kwikdeath.org
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 03:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs why disruptor and scrambler?? In order to actually prevent people from trivially MWD-ing away and hold them in range? Originally by: Megan Maynard mwd, disrupter, ECCM, web Works horribly on SISI for a host of reasons. Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 05/11/2008 03:09:32 I dunno Branko, unless they changed the way that sentries operate, fighting on a gate in a Myrm is generally a bad idea. Losing 20M in drones was what made me decide that Caldari Cruiser 3 was actually a good idea. ;-) Well, serious fights solo on gates are a no-no anyway in a BC (and plated Hurricanes can't gatecamp well anyway). For operating in a gang, I just use a shield buffered artycane. Nothing changes there, just wondering what to do for solo work. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lurana Lay Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.05 03:48:00 - [10] Well, whatever people fly solo it sure as hell won't be a shield tanking missile ship of any stripe.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 03:51:00 - [11] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/11/2008 03:52:55 Originally by: Lurana Lay Well, whatever people fly solo it sure as hell won't be a shield tanking missile ship of any stripe. Uhhh... the only ship I really fear engaging in a Hurricane is a HAM Drake. Fortunately they're rare. If you don't have a slaveset, the solo HAM Drake is going to eat you up and spit you out. It's the requirement to stand a chance. They're that nasty. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lurana Lay Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.05 03:54:00 - [12] Weaker tank now due to HAVING to fit a painter. Not to mention the usual buffer style TQ tank will add lameness to the sig radius. HAM Javelin nerf too. Right?
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 03:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Lurana Lay Weaker tank now due to HAVING to fit a painter. Don't see it as a requirement vs BCs or cruisers, just need to fit scram+web (like everyone else). Sure, you'll run into some problems if its a AB-ing lolfit, but meh. Originally by: Lurana Lay Not to mention the usual buffer style TQ tank will add lameness to the sig radius. HAM Javelin nerf too. Right? Solo Drakes nearly never needed Javelins because you fight in tackle range when solo, and sig radius has the same effect vs turrets like on TQ. It's not a big deal unless you're trying to fight BS. If you're trying to fight BS solo, then, well... erm Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.11.05 04:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Cpt Branko If you're trying to fight BS solo, then, well... erm Then you kick their ass. :) -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire Liang/Vanesca - Order/Iron Rock@WAR www.kwikdeath.org
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 04:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Cpt Branko If you're trying to fight BS solo, then, well... erm Then you kick their ass. :) -Liang Well, yeah, on SISI... but I don't see people soloing in a BS anymore so meh, unless its a Dominix / Phoon which will murder you anyway. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.11.05 04:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Cpt Branko Well, yeah, on SISI... but I don't see people soloing in a BS anymore so meh, unless its a Dominix / Phoon which will murder you anyway. In my experience, Domis have bad luck vs Drakes and I was under the impression that the Phoon was going to get murdered by the missile changes. There won't be any more solo BS bull** - get yourself an AF to solo in. Well, that was my take on it before I stopped caring. :) -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire Liang/Vanesca - Order/Iron Rock@WAR www.kwikdeath.org
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 10:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Gneeznow Harb! What fit? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Chimii Lecto Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.05 10:43:00 - [18] Doubt that a hurricane can take out a well flown harbinger actually. But will have to see after the 11th ---------- /Pretty posting.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 10:48:00 - [19] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/11/2008 10:48:33 Originally by: Chimii Lecto Doubt that a hurricane can take out a well flown harbinger actually. But will have to see after the 11th It's feasible on TQ, depending on ranges and fittings. Landing up close, the Hurricane (on TQ) has the advantage. On SISI, well... the real problem is keeping him in Hail M range. Scrambler+web works naturally, as long as he doesn't have a AB. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.05 10:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Gneeznow Harb! What fit? Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Reactor Control Unit II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Barton Reactor Capacitor Recharger I Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x5 720 dps and I have my alt follow me around in an oneiros, vulnerable to neuts tho, however last time I used this harb with oneiros alt I ploughed through like a 5 man gang of passive drakes was pretty awesome
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:01:00 - [21] Have to admit havent tested HAM drake vs AFs yet on sisi, but right now on TQ the last thing an AF worries about is drakes. Sure you cant kill them usually, but there dps on you is also very low. I doubt it will be better for the drake after expansion. I think hurricane will do fine after expansion. And since you say yourself that you wont use it to fight at gates, i suppose you use it in belts. Then why do you want to have both scram and disruptor anyway. You can just mwd after him. Cruisers are probably dead before they are at 24km distance where they can escape, even if they got scram you can mwd also from 10-24km distance, frigs cant mwd due to neuts and other battlecruisers wont be fast enough to escape anyway. Only issue would be harbingers or drake fitted with both a disruptor and scrambler, so they can keep distance. But i dont think there will be that many of them.
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:06:00 - [22] Funnily enough CCP almost buffed the tempest by nerfing other battleship. It becomes the best solo Battleship. 5 mids and space for neuts means it continues to be the exact same ship as always. Whiel others were nerfed.
fivetide humidyear Gallente EXCESS10N	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:09:00 - [23] Edited by: fivetide humidyear on 05/11/2008 11:10:00 more gank 7x heavy pulse II / scorch loaded, amarr navy multispec carried and conflag 1x mwd II 1x langour webber 1x faint warp prohibitor 1x small cap booster (800) 1x EANM II 1x pseudoelectronic damage control 1x 800mm rolled tungsten plate 3x heat sink II rigs trimarks / optimal rigs? 5x ec-600 or 5x ec-300, 5x warrior II mess about with the mids for make up of gang / solo, had to go with named stuff for cpu savings, it's tight on this ship. getting a neut on it is really difficult with heavy pulse, easier with focused pulse and 800mm plate: 5x focused pulse II 2x medium neutraliser II 10Mn MWD II 2 of scrambler / disrupter / webber / ECCM small cap booster 1x 800mm rolled tusngsten plate 1x damage control II / named to save cpu 1x EANM II 3x heat sink II have to see how scrambler and disruptor togetehr works out, with the harby your dps is good out to 20km for focussed.
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Cpt Branko Up to this point I've been predominantly a Hurricane pilot. However, with the SISI patch I'm having doubts wether to keep flying it - as I'm having issues achieving the same performance out of a post patch Hurricane. Drake and Harbinger are both excellent. They can reach far enough not to have to keep a target sub 10km. Drake does it better since you don't have to switch to javelins until further out. On the other hand switching to scorch on the harbi is faster. I'm sure the myrmidon is still decent, too. But not as good as those two. ----------------------
Chimii Lecto Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:09:00 - [25] Edited by: Chimii Lecto on 05/11/2008 11:10:06 Originally by: Gneeznow Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Reactor Control Unit II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Barton Reactor Capacitor Recharger I Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x5 720 dps and I have my alt follow me around in an oneiros, vulnerable to neuts tho, however last time I used this harb with oneiros alt I ploughed through like a 5 man gang of passive drakes was pretty awesome Swap your 1600MM plate for a 800MM and then change your RCU for an EANM. Edit: Oh and i use a small cap booster with 200's instead of a cap recharger. ---------- /Pretty posting.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Furb Killer Have to admit havent tested HAM drake vs AFs yet on sisi, but right now on TQ the last thing an AF worries about is drakes. Sure you cant kill them usually, but there dps on you is also very low. I doubt it will be better for the drake after expansion. Well, I figure that even with a 4-5 fold damage reduction to AFs, that's still 100+ DPS dealt - combine with 100 DPS from Hobgoblin IIs or with Warrior IIs and you're downing AFs fast. In a AF I have found little problems tanking the average mission fit Drakes on TQ, but they're mostly HML fits without BCUs, or one at most, etc. Originally by: Furb Killer I think hurricane will do fine after expansion. And since you say yourself that you wont use it to fight at gates, i suppose you use it in belts. Then why do you want to have both scram and disruptor anyway. You can just mwd after him. First off, for HAC killing, you must be able to shut off their MWD, else they will bugger out of range quick. Since I particularly enjoy HAC killing, thats one important use for MWD. It's somewhat valid for cruisers which could also easily burn out of range unless you melt them fast (which you might be able to with their lower EHP however). Second, for killing BCs which have better optimals, you need to be able to shut off their MWD too. For instance, if that Harbringer can keep me at 6-7km, I'm certainly dead. Likewise vs a HAM Drake. Originally by: Furb Killer But i dont think there will be that many of them. Idk, I'd probably personally use a scram on a Drake. At any rate, any ranged competitor needs to only keep me out of 5km range and he can win with ease assuming equal skills. Besides, I don't really praying on 'let him not have a scram' every fight or seeing faster ships (or scrambling fits) continously burn out of range. Will test a 2x web fit, but that drops the ECCM (and flying without ECCM feels like flying naked tbh). Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:22:00 - [27] Personally, I've got no idea what combination of MWD, AB, disruptor and scrambler my HAM Drake will use. Hey, I've got six midslots, so I can fit all of them, and a web and a painter as well!
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:40:00 - [28] Myrmidon, since you know you want the 5 mids Any reason you picked D180s over 220s for your Myrm setup though? *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:57:00 - [29] Edited by: Gneeznow on 05/11/2008 11:58:06 Originally by: Chimii Lecto Swap your 1600MM plate for a 800MM and then change your RCU for an EANM. Edit: Oh and i use a small cap booster with 200's instead of a cap recharger. NO
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:58:00 - [30] Originally by: Artemis Rose Myrmidon, since you know you want the 5 mids Any reason you picked D180s over 220s for your Myrm setup though? I'm not sure right now, I think they're the biggest which fit after projectile rigs. Biggest guns you can fit obviously. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:59:00 - [31] Originally by: Artemis Rose Myrmidon, since you know you want the 5 mids Any reason you picked D180s over 220s for your Myrm setup though? Could it be better tracking vs' the AF swarms he expects?
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:59:00 - [32] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/11/2008 12:01:31 Originally by: RedSplat Originally by: Artemis Rose Myrmidon, since you know you want the 5 mids Any reason you picked D180s over 220s for your Myrm setup though? Could it be better tracking vs' the AF swarms he expects? No, don't be silly. 1600mm RT + MAR + MWD do take a fair bit of PG, as far as I recall the fit only has 40-50 spare PG. Tracking isn't binary anyway, if hit chance is 0%, 15% more tracking won't make it hit reliably. You could fit MBL IIs, at a very small DPS drop from D180s, if you wanted to swat frigs / ceptors / AFs. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.11.05 14:22:00 - [33] I find it to be a bit early to be looking for new BC or new setup for existing ones, as "the new black" has not been defined just yet. Whatever that might be, any of Tier 2 BCs can take that out, if fit correctly of course. Alas, one would be fitting to be most effective vs targets one expects to run into, or ones that are the hardest, etc. It'll take some time for the new fotm to emerge, hence I'll be flying most universal setup; once fotm is defined.. well, duh, obvious adjustments will be made. I'd go with Myrm for smaller targets, and Harb or Cane for targets of my size and bigger. Drake.. well, duh, it's such a pile of crap that nearly makes me fall asleep while piloting it, so I'd let it stick where sun doesn't shine
General Sadistis Minmatar Isk Fiends	Posted - 2008.11.05 14:36:00 - [34] personally i have a passive shield tanked myrm with a warp scrammer frigs will get away but wont be able to kill u anyhing else is assbait (has been known to tank 3 abaddons) if ya wanna know thefit msg me in game .: Brits Have No Sence Of Humor :.
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:56:00 - [35] Originally by: Gneeznow Edited by: Gneeznow on 05/11/2008 11:58:06 Originally by: Chimii Lecto Swap your 1600MM plate for a 800MM and then change your RCU for an EANM. Edit: Oh and i use a small cap booster with 200's instead of a cap recharger. NO lol ... Chimii's right, actually ...
Chimii Lecto Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:12:00 - [36] Originally by: Gneeznow Edited by: Gneeznow on 05/11/2008 11:58:06 Originally by: Chimii Lecto Swap your 1600MM plate for a 800MM and then change your RCU for an EANM. Edit: Oh and i use a small cap booster with 200's instead of a cap recharger. NO You say that you're using a remote repper... Better resists = more rep =) ---------- /Pretty Posting.
Elhina Novae Sky's Edge	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Gneeznow Harb! What fit? Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Reactor Control Unit II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Barton Reactor Capacitor Recharger I Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x5 720 dps and I have my alt follow me around in an oneiros, vulnerable to neuts tho, however last time I used this harb with oneiros alt I ploughed through like a 5 man gang of passive drakes was pretty awesome Amarr Navy Multifrequency crystals is more or less equal in damage to Conflaguration except you won't get all the fun tracking issues :o ------------ Originally by: Boz Well Originally by: SurrenderMonkey ... There's an Amarr problem? Nothing that can't be solved by more Minmatar nerfs.
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:09:00 - [38] For a harb I too would go for the 800 + EANM and the small cap injector with 200s.. and fit a large offlined smartbomb somewhere in there, for that overheating jummyness. Tbh you might still go for an artycane with mwd and try to get as far away from battle as you can, just won't work if you get scrambled.. Then again, ecm drones + maybe some t2 assault launchers should take a tackler out of scramble range anough to maybe get tracking up. Drakes will still be good, myrm if you're not pirating in sentry range. Brutix, Cyclone, Prophecy, Ferox are kinda out of the picture. All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:11:00 - [39] Originally by: Keitaro Baka Tbh you might still go for an artycane with mwd and try to get as far away from battle as you can, just won't work if you get scrambled.. Then again, ecm drones + maybe some t2 assault launchers should take a tackler out of scramble range anough to maybe get tracking up. Works in gangs, but I would never fly a artycane solo tbh. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:17:00 - [40] Originally by: Cpt Branko Works in gangs, but I would never fly a artycane solo tbh. Solo I wouldn't recommend the harb either, myrmidon and drake are pretty decent solo-ers. To tank a Harb you need to tone down it's Gank a lot, ACcane probably pulls it off better at <10 km. Harb is ok now as a solo-er btw, because a plated harb can win versus a nano boat with scorch pulse, but after the patch I expect a lot more tanking ishtars and such, no way you can beat those with a buffer harb :/ All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
Daergaar Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:19:00 - [41] Originally by: Cpt Branko Well, I figure that even with a 4-5 fold damage reduction to AFs, that's still 100+ DPS dealt - combine with 100 DPS from Hobgoblin IIs or with Warrior IIs and you're downing AFs fast. In a AF I have found little problems tanking the average mission fit Drakes on TQ, but they're mostly HML fits without BCUs, or one at most, etc. [/quote Are you able to kill mission fit Drakes in your AF though? Some of them require ridiculous levels of DPS to break that tank. If you both have each other scrammed, wouldn't that result in somewhat of a "stalemate"?
Nuramori	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:19:00 - [42] Originally by: Gypsio III Personally, I've got no idea what combination of MWD, AB, disruptor and scrambler my HAM Drake will use. Hey, I've got six midslots, so I can fit all of them, and a web and a painter as well! Can you explain to this newb what a "HAM" drake is?
kelisin	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:19:00 - [43] Myrm is a great BC to fly its easy to fit and is cheap. I mean honestly if your *****ing about the price of drones then you should reconsider going back to flying frigs.
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:22:00 - [44] Originally by: Nuramori Originally by: Gypsio III Personally, I've got no idea what combination of MWD, AB, disruptor and scrambler my HAM Drake will use. Hey, I've got six midslots, so I can fit all of them, and a web and a painter as well! Can you explain to this newb what a "HAM" drake is? 7x Heavy Assault missile launcher (II) + faction HAMs (no more javs after patch) mwd, point, passive shield stuff BCUs damage control, maybe istab spewing missiles at near constant rate mwd-ing to keep a point. Basically. All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Elhina Novae Amarr Navy Multifrequency crystals is more or less equal in damage to Conflaguration except you won't get all the fun tracking issues :o Yea but its like way too expensive so I use conflag to be super renegade Originally by: Chimii Lecto Originally by: Gneeznow Edited by: Gneeznow on 05/11/2008 11:58:06 Originally by: Chimii Lecto Swap your 1600MM plate for a 800MM and then change your RCU for an EANM. Edit: Oh and i use a small cap booster with 200's instead of a cap recharger. NO You say that you're using a remote repper... Better resists = more rep =) sry nop I like my fit as it is
DubanFP Caldari Evil ALT Corp	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:37:00 - [46] Many people can't decide what to do with the 4th midslot anyways. Since you think a scram is nessissary try fitting both a scram and a disruptor. Best of both worlds. Personally though i'm going to go with disrupter plus 2x webs though. _______________ "White, Black, Minmitar, Achura, Male or Female it doesn't matter to me. I'm an equal opportunity killer"
kelisin	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:40:00 - [47] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: Elhina Novae Amarr Navy Multifrequency crystals is more or less equal in damage to Conflaguration except you won't get all the fun tracking issues :o Yea but its like way too expensive so I use conflag to be super renegade Originally by: Chimii Lecto Originally by: Gneeznow Edited by: Gneeznow on 05/11/2008 11:58:06 Originally by: Chimii Lecto Swap your 1600MM plate for a 800MM and then change your RCU for an EANM. Edit: Oh and i use a small cap booster with 200's instead of a cap recharger. NO You say that you're using a remote repper... Better resists = more rep =) sry nop I like my fit as it is Lets not start that i dont think my eyes can handle it.
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:51:00 - [48] Edited by: Kaileen Starsong on 05/11/2008 17:51:10 Originally by: Keitaro Baka Harb is ok now as a solo-er btw, because a plated harb can win versus a nano boat with scorch pulse, but after the patch I expect a lot more tanking ishtars and such, no way you can beat those with a buffer harb :/ Tanking plategank Harb's DPS is beyond the realm of possibility for dual-rep ishtar, frankly. Unless you're thinking of deadspace tank mods, but those aren't all that common to worry about. Ofcourse, if you run into something like fully tanked Sac with overloaded reps and exile.. well, yeah, you're in trouble. But it won't ever be common either :P
Jodie Amille Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.11.05 18:00:00 - [49] This is my current favourite Harb fit that I use in gangs. I wouldn't expect to win vs a Myrm or drake though :/ [Harbinger, Full Gank] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Adaptive Nano Plating II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II ECCM - Radar II (change to taste) ECCM - Radar II (change to taste) Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Large EM smartbomb, offline Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Vespa II x5
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.05 19:16:00 - [50] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/11/2008 19:17:48 Originally by: DubanFP Many people can't decide what to do with the 4th midslot anyways. Since you think a scram is nessissary try fitting both a scram and a disruptor. Best of both worlds. Personally though i'm going to go with disrupter plus 2x webs though. ECCM is a no-brainer and greatly enhances any fit tbh. Originally by: Daergaar Are you able to kill mission fit Drakes in your AF though? Some of them require ridiculous levels of DPS to break that tank. If you both have each other scrammed, wouldn't that result in somewhat of a "stalemate"? I have menaged to punch through a few with a gank fit Wolf + RF EMP S. Held some tackled for 20 minutes until I could get people to support me a few times too Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Tuncan Minmatar Arbitrary Freedom	Posted - 2008.11.05 20:51:00 - [51] For hurricane; Im thinking about getting an AB instead of a MWD after patch. Low sig radius and scram are the reasons. Since webs suck, i think tracking distrupter is not so efficient thing cuz big ships won't be able to slow you down so bad i guess. 2 neuts is a must,if ure not in a gang. t2 220mm's as always. The thing is, If you don't have a cap booster in meds, a BS will instantly drain you and youre out of your meds and your resistances if youre using EANM's. So for med slot i would prefer a cap booster. 2xEANM2 2xgyro2 1600 tung dcu2 and i prefer dmg drones,cuz everyone fits an eccm =)
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.11.06 16:22:00 - [52] Originally by: Gneeznow sry nop I like my fit as it is Allright, just saying that Chimii's setup got a bit more EHP, a bit more agility, a bit more cap/s, got some neutraliser defense .... but with the downside of having a 'clickable' and limited supply of cap.
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.06 16:38:00 - [53] I wonder about those last 2 slots. When you do 2 neuts you want a cap booster probably in one of your mid slots. And against for example a harbinger i wonder if neuts will get him dry in time, or that i should just stick with hams and kill him before he kills me. With hams i dont need that cap booster. And it has the added advantage that i can kill bait before his backup arrives from system next door. I guess warrior drones will be sufficient against most AFs, but neuts would be handy.
Myra2007 Perkone	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:11:00 - [54] I'll go with plated cane + dual webs i think. Scrambler is nice but i think a dual web will keep mwd'ers in check (add to that my neuts) and provide more benefit against small ab targets than a scrambler would. Ofc i have to drop the injector. I've done this before but only in gangs. Getting yourself neuted so you can't mwd is a big downside. But i think its the best of the given options.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.06 21:18:00 - [55] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 06/11/2008 21:22:51 Originally by: Furb Killer I wonder about those last 2 slots. When you do 2 neuts you want a cap booster probably in one of your mid slots. And against for example a harbinger i wonder if neuts will get him dry in time, or that i should just stick with hams and kill him before he kills me. With hams i dont need that cap booster. And it has the added advantage that i can kill bait before his backup arrives from system next door. I guess warrior drones will be sufficient against most AFs, but neuts would be handy. You can't kill a competently flown AF with unbonused Warrior IIs before they die + some AFs can permatank Warrior IIs anyway. Therefore, you're left totally defenceless without neuts. Funniest thing is, dual webs don't work either unless you have at least one neut to shut off MWD. So meh. Vs a Harbringer you're just going to have to rely on Hail M melting him before you die - which is where dual webs fail because he'll slowly MWD out of your range if he's using a scrambler/web/MWD. Of course, if hes not cap boosting you'll just suck him dry and he's dead. You don't need a cap booster to run dual neuts for long enough, they'll last for 2 minutes (say, 1-1.5 minute in unfavourable engagements where you had to MWD for a bit / etc) by which time your target is either dead or going to die extremely fast. Originally by: Tuncan For hurricane; Im thinking about getting an AB instead of a MWD after patch. Low sig radius and scram are the reasons. Since webs suck, i think tracking distrupter is not so efficient thing cuz big ships won't be able to slow you down so bad i guess. 2 neuts is a must,if ure not in a gang. AB fit + scram means you're tackling ** if you do not land within 10.8km, your mobility is completely dead - meaning you're certain to die in the first camp even if it's only 3 slow battleships around, plus you're completely unable to approach quickly to targets which outdamage you at range (Harbringer/Drake/etc). I mean, yeah, you'll approach in 40s, but that means you'll just die. If you land within 24km of a MWD + disruptor ship with range, you die. Etc AB setup is a lolsetup for SISI for trying to take on solo BS close-range tbh. I just encountered one of those on SISI, they're quite easy to kill. Might work on a Harbringer because it's got actual optimal range and stuff Originally by:** Myra2007 I'll go with plated cane + dual webs i think. Scrambler is nice but i think a dual web will keep mwd'ers in check (add to that my neuts) and provide more benefit against small ab targets than a scrambler would. Ofc i have to drop the injector. I've done this before but only in gangs. Getting yourself neuted so you can't mwd is a big downside. But i think its the best of the given options. Well, getting neuted by bigger ships does hurt a slight bit but not that much since you now have a bit more cap, and you're not going to go solo vs a Dominix or something which could potentially nuke most of your cap in one volley. In gangs, artycane > AC Hurricane anyway, unless it's a very small gang. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.06 21:23:00 - [56] Edited by: Gneeznow on 06/11/2008 21:23:29 Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Furb Killer I wonder about those last 2 slots. When you do 2 neuts you want a cap booster probably in one of your mid slots. And against for example a harbinger i wonder if neuts will get him dry in time, or that i should just stick with hams and kill him before he kills me. With hams i dont need that cap booster. And it has the added advantage that i can kill bait before his backup arrives from system next door. I guess warrior drones will be sufficient against most AFs, but neuts would be handy. You can't kill a competently flown AF with unbonused Warrior IIs before they die + some AFs can permatank Warrior IIs anyway. Therefore, you're left totally defenceless without neuts. Funniest thing is, dual webs don't work either unless you have at least one neut to shut off MWD. So meh. Vs a Harbringer you're just going to have to rely on Hail M melting him before you die - which is where dual webs fail because he'll slowly MWD out of your range if he's using a scrambler/web/MWD. Of course, if hes not cap boosting you'll just suck him dry and he's dead. You don't need a cap booster to run dual neuts for long enough, they'll last for 2 minutes (say, 1-1.5 minute in unfavourable engagements where you had to MWD for a bit / etc) by which time your target is either dead or going to die extremely fast. Originally by: Tuncan For hurricane; Im thinking about getting an AB instead of a MWD after patch. Low sig radius and scram are the reasons. Since webs suck, i think tracking distrupter is not so efficient thing cuz big ships won't be able to slow you down so bad i guess. 2 neuts is a must,if ure not in a gang. AB fit + scram means you're tackling **** if you do not land within 10.8km, your mobility is completely dead - meaning you're certain to die in the first camp even if it's only 3 slow battleships around, plus you're completely unable to approach quickly to targets which outdamage you at range (Harbringer/Drake/etc). I mean, yeah, you'll approach in 40s, but that means you'll just die. If you land within 24km of a MWD + disruptor ship with range, you die. Etc AB setup is a lolsetup for SISI for trying to take on solo BS close-range tbh. you make some valid points here well said
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.11.06 22:51:00 - [57] Edited by: The Djego on 06/11/2008 22:51:40 Well Blaster Brutix hands down, since it got 7 of the best tracking Guns out there. Think Myrmidon can do quite well, since BCs becomming the new ship of choice, even rigging might be a good choice now. Funny thing I only used the ship twice so far, and never actualy pvped with it. Gess I will start flying my 3 Ishtars again a lot more since they where preaty decend on Sissi. 2 Webs and Disruptor would be my choice, since you can carry light Drones vs Frigs. Since the Myrmidon can pack a full wing Damage Drones, Light ECMs and Lights vs Frigs it might be the Ship with the best selection of possible targets. Also vs another BC I would switch the Web to a Tracking Disruptor, works quite good on the Ishtar as far as I tested. Gneez my eyes, they hurt now. I hate you. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.06 23:04:00 - [58] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 06/11/2008 23:04:08 The Myrmidon is quite good, no question. Want to trade rep bonus for projectile/laser rof/damage bonus! Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Meridius Dex Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.11.06 23:26:00 - [59] Although I've been flying the Harb almost exclusively for some time, I've always loved the Myrmidon and just wish I could find a good fit that appeals to me. The problem I always run into is that every good Mrym fit cries out for armor rep rigs and I really don't like rigging T1 BCs. -- Meridius Dex -- Awesomeness: "When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome again. True story."
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.06 23:29:00 - [60] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 06/11/2008 23:29:18 Originally by: Meridius Dex Although I've been flying the Harb almost exclusively for some time, I've always loved the Myrmidon and just wish I could find a good fit that appeals to me. The problem I always run into is that every good Mrym fit cries out for armor rep rigs and I really don't like rigging T1 BCs. Oh, I don't mind rigging it - just rep rigs are silly, 18M per rig gets you 54M in rigs alone... at any rate, I don't believe the Myrmidon needs armour rigging to be honest, and I really dislike the speed of the armour-rigged Myrmidon; it should translate to some 800m/s post patch which is a bit low. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.11.07 00:18:00 - [61] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 06/11/2008 23:04:08 The Myrmidon is quite good, no question. Want to trade rep bonus for projectile/laser rof/damage bonus! Well it isn¦t this bad on the Myrmidon actualy since it is a flexible Drone ship, Tracking in Web Range is quite a bit harder, a good Tank might be better now instead of a Gank setup in the end. If you reduce Damage by a single target to a tankable amount(what is not this hard with the changes) a Drone ship can take out preaty mutch anything by outlasting them and Nos/Neut them down, simlar as now where the plated Gank fitting is more or less the only real danger in a 1o1 fight. With the 2 Webs it still can hold targets close and control trasversial and range, since there is no other sub BB Ship with 5 Mids avaidalbe(exept the Ishtar or a AT Cyclone) quite a advantage now. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.07 01:22:00 - [62] Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 06/11/2008 23:04:08 The Myrmidon is quite good, no question. Want to trade rep bonus for projectile/laser rof/damage bonus! Well it isn¦t this bad on the Myrmidon actualy since it is a flexible Drone ship, Tracking in Web Range is quite a bit harder, a good Tank might be better now instead of a Gank setup in the end. If you reduce Damage by a single target to a tankable amount(what is not this hard with the changes) a Drone ship can take out preaty mutch anything by outlasting them and Nos/Neut them down, simlar as now where the plated Gank fitting is more or less the only real danger in a 1o1 fight. With the 2 Webs it still can hold targets close and control trasversial and range, since there is no other sub BB Ship with 5 Mids avaidalbe(exept the Ishtar or a AT Cyclone) quite a advantage now. Admittedly true, but in a fight vs another tanked ship you'll have issues with running out of drones... could work, but I think I'll just go for a AC Myrm and fly it in a Minmatarish way (and stick a ECCM in the final mid, always used to roll with it on the Hurricane and it saved me countless times vs ECM drone users). I mean, tanking for solo is just a invitation to get ganged on and killed, particularly on sub-BS ships. I don't like the approach to be honest. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.11.07 10:10:00 - [63] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 06/11/2008 23:04:08 The Myrmidon is quite good, no question. Want to trade rep bonus for projectile/laser rof/damage bonus! Well it isn¦t this bad on the Myrmidon actualy since it is a flexible Drone ship, Tracking in Web Range is quite a bit harder, a good Tank might be better now instead of a Gank setup in the end. If you reduce Damage by a single target to a tankable amount(what is not this hard with the changes) a Drone ship can take out preaty mutch anything by outlasting them and Nos/Neut them down, simlar as now where the plated Gank fitting is more or less the only real danger in a 1o1 fight. With the 2 Webs it still can hold targets close and control trasversial and range, since there is no other sub BB Ship with 5 Mids avaidalbe(exept the Ishtar or a AT Cyclone) quite a advantage now. Admittedly true, but in a fight vs another tanked ship you'll have issues with running out of drones... could work, but I think I'll just go for a AC Myrm and fly it in a Minmatarish way (and stick a ECCM in the final mid, always used to roll with it on the Hurricane and it saved me countless times vs ECM drone users). I mean, tanking for solo is just a invitation to get ganged on and killed, particularly on sub-BS ships. I don't like the approach to be honest. Well might be true for Missle ships but thx to the 60% Web Med Turrets vs Drones takes forever now and the myrmidon gots a HP Bonus for Drones, so good chances to win the rescoping battle. Tanking sub BS Ships pointless or not, well im preaty shure there will be a lot less BS out there after the patch even in small Gang and the plate Gank fitting also might get less common in the end. Changing Low Sec PVP and the huge DPS amounts flying around in solo and small Gang might fade in the adopting stage where tanking sub BS ships becomming more and more likely. Also if plate Gank and Nano won¦t do what else to stick in this lows. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.07 11:16:00 - [64] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 07/11/2008 11:16:56 Originally by: The Djego Well might be true for Missle ships but thx to the 60% Web Med Turrets vs Drones takes forever now and the myrmidon gots a HP Bonus for Drones, so good chances to win the rescoping battle. Tanking sub BS Ships pointless or not, well im preaty shure there will be a lot less BS out there after the patch even in small Gang and the plate Gank fitting also might get less common in the end. Changing Low Sec PVP and the huge DPS amounts flying around in solo and small Gang might fade in the adopting stage where tanking sub BS ships becomming more and more likely. Also if plate Gank and Nano won¦t do what else to stick in this lows. Well, I've tested a variety of Myrmidon fits on SISI, mainly focused on a AC (because blasters are lol) hybrid plate+rep fit. Mind you, my drone skills are not that good - I have not finished Drone Interfacing V (14 days to go, bleah) yet, Scout drone operation IV / gallente drone spec III / Heavy Drone operation III (ugh) / Minmatar drone spec II / drone nav V / drone durability III. By training up my drone skills, I can probably squeeze a whole 100 DPS out of the ship. BC V of course. My AC skills are quite up there, and I only lack med ac spec V and trajectory analysis V to max them out (and I use 5%/3% implants just like on TQ) - however, RF EMP M, the premier ammo to fire on many T2 ships does not exist on SISI, so you have to either stick with Barrage M (which is not good vs most tanked HACs) or EMP M (15% less DPS). Here's what I found: - killing (read: ganking) not well tanked HACs like a Diemost or Vagabond is very easy and reasonably fast, and even though it does not work as well as melting them with a Hurricane on TQ, it is still fast enough. - have not menaged to test vs HAM drakes because the only drake fits I found on SISI were laughable mission fits with 0 BCUs, which you can comfortably tank on a single rep of a unrigged Myrmidon - killing other BCs is not too much of a problem really. You have a massive advantage over most myrmidons because they just can't hit you, so you can kite them all day from 18-19km and kill their drones, and then go up close for the kill after you do. I had a interesting fight vs a trimarked (bad idea tbh) dual plated Hurricane with a AB - easily kiting it with a AC Myrmidon from 20km until it died. - Killing small things is easy. Bonused Warrior II swarm is vicious, and spares insure that even if you kill one, it doesn't matter much. - Killing tanked HACs (which was my worry all along, since on TQ right now it is not a problem outside of implanted rigged boost deadspace fits which are in the 500M+ price range and not very common) is so-so; for the HACs with not such a superb tank, you kill them preety fast. Leaves preety much two HACs with a worthwhile tank, Ishtar and Sacriledge. Well, I tested taking out a tanked Sacriledge, and it just didn't work - after a 5-6 minute fight I went down with him still having 7 cap boosters left. There, a tanked setup with NOS/neuts might've worked better and attempted to outlast it - although, with better skills it might just work. Then again, it might require reworking the setup to a 2-gyro rather then 1-gyro setup, dropping the Myrmidon's repair bonus altogether. Also, for the lols, since 90% of people on SISI are flying stupid fits, I tested a shield buffered AC gank fit with 3 gyros+DC+PDU II+nanofiber II in lows, 3 falloff rigs, and only disruptor/MWD (I'm 100% certain it'd be awesome with FMP IIs fit like this, I just can't use them however - it's the knockoff from the shield buffer blaster Myrm on TQ), going by the logic that you don't need a web for small stuff anyway when you can drone them to death to start with or just ECM them with lights. Amusingly, it worked quite decently. I'll test a bit more later today focusing on gank and on tank fits, particularly gank fits. Shame I don't have laser skills, I have a lovely idea there Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Ess Erbe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.07 11:21:00 - [65] Quote: I just encountered one of those on SISI, they're quite easy to kill. Might work on a Harbringer because it's got actual optimal range and stuff Sup I'm the afterburning Hurricane on Sisi. Just not fast enough :(.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.07 11:23:00 - [66] Originally by: Ess Erbe Quote: I just encountered one of those on SISI, they're quite easy to kill. Might work on a Harbringer because it's got actual optimal range and stuff Sup I'm the afterburning Hurricane on Sisi. Just not fast enough :(. Heheh. You have to admit killing a Hurricane by kiting it with ACs in a Myrmidon is funny Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Ess Erbe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.07 11:25:00 - [67] Edited by: Ess Erbe on 07/11/2008 11:25:33 I tried to kite you too, didn't work so well with the lack of speed and no falloff rigs, too bad that Sisi hiccuped as well :/. But yeah, that was pretty funny, in a sad way :V.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.07 11:59:00 - [68] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 07/11/2008 11:59:36 Originally by: Ess Erbe Edited by: Ess Erbe on 07/11/2008 11:25:33 I tried to kite you too, didn't work so well with the lack of speed and no falloff rigs, too bad that Sisi hiccuped as well :/. But yeah, that was pretty funny, in a sad way :V. Well, the deal without falloff rigs is that you at 15-16km do about 38% of your EFT Barrage M DPS (and 0 drone DPS after they die) - which in a 2 gyrostab Hurricane would translate to about 170-ish DPS or so. Vs a ship with a single rep, it means he takes only 50 effective DPS - would take a eternity to chew through 65.000 EHP of buffer. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Mortuus Minmatar Fat J Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.11.08 00:23:00 - [69] Hows the ol' 650 cane working out on SiSi? Haven't gotten to test it yet. I imagine it would work vs other BCs and cruisers and would get eaten alive by frigates =) Occassus Republica <3
Clansworth Burning Sky Labs Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.08 00:55:00 - [70] I say use a Drake with Assault Launcher II's... ;-) LOTS of fitting left to make the tank that much better.. ;-) Load up some Precision lights, and rip up the AF's that are taunting you.. hehe POS Personal Storage
Phidell Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.08 00:55:00 - [71] Edited by: Phidell on 08/11/2008 00:55:57 Not sure if they changed ECM drones but... maybe try an AB bc? 6x 425 2x medium unstable 2x LSE Scrambler 10mn AB 3x Gyro 2x Overdrive/ no idea 1x DCU 5x ecm drones/Warriors 3x shield resist rigs. Anyway idea is medium neuts will allow you to kill cruisers and smaller once you have actually tackled them. You have decent cap buffer and an AB uses like no cap. ECM drones if unchanged should still work quite well providing a 20s jam cycle is invaluable. Anyway, For everything BS except missile ships, if you manage to overheat your mwd and get in close enough 1v1 wise you should be able to tank most of their damage or reduce it significatly, atleast that's how it is on sisi.
Mortuus Minmatar Fat J Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.11.08 01:09:00 - [72] I was already considering that setup, basically swap my MWD for the AB. I dunno, they can still go respectable speeds with a MWD though. Occassus Republica <3
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.08 01:12:00 - [73] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 08/11/2008 01:13:34 Originally by: Mortuus Hows the ol' 650 cane working out on SiSi? Haven't gotten to test it yet. I imagine it would work vs other BCs and cruisers and would get eaten alive by frigates =) It should work just fine (although I view it as more of a gang ship). Bear in mind that since the patch, there is no virtually no difference in trying to hit frigates with a artycane and a AC Hurricane, both simply miss (well, with ACs you get some hits on the approach vs a frig, but not really relevant if its up close). You can stick 2 small neuts and warrior IIs as anti-frig defence. The only thing a AC Hurricane can hit and a arty one most likely can't would be MWD-ing AFs tackling you out of webrange, and I wouldn't bet on that either. Originally by: Phidell Edited by: Phidell on 08/11/2008 00:55:57 Not sure if they changed ECM drones but... maybe try an AB bc? 6x 425 2x medium unstable 2x LSE Scrambler 10mn AB 3x Gyro 2x Overdrive/ no idea 1x DCU 5x ecm drones/Warriors 3x shield resist rigs. Anyway idea is medium neuts will allow you to kill cruisers and smaller once you have actually tackled them. You have decent cap buffer and an AB uses like no cap. ECM drones if unchanged should still work quite well providing a 20s jam cycle is invaluable. Anyway, For everything BS except missile ships, if you manage to overheat your mwd and get in close enough 1v1 wise you should be able to tank most of their damage or reduce it significatly, atleast that's how it is on sisi. Well, fine but I'd never undock it on TQ. It simply lacks the speed to catch anything - landing 20km from, say, 650mm artycane is certain death ;) Lack of out of 24km tackle is meh too. Besides, you're not speedtanking anything in a BC short of a webbed+scrambled BS so not much point of a AB. Can still use that fit + MWD ofc, but it does have some downsides :P Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Commander Thrawn Fluffy Rabbit Killers	Posted - 2008.11.08 01:22:00 - [74] everyone one has gone nuts, from this patch I swear to god. I hope none of you fly BS after the patch so I can f%^k you with mine. Its really not that hard to fit a few webs on there. ships wont go that fast since nano have been nerfed. when I read this section of the forums I feel like i'm watching a south park episode with all the ******ed mass panic that goes on. "OMG global warming." you're all nuts
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.08 01:28:00 - [75] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 08/11/2008 01:28:40 Originally by: Commander Thrawn everyone one has gone nuts, from this patch I swear to god. I hope none of you fly BS after the patch so I can f%^k you with mine. Its really not that hard to fit a few webs on there. ships wont go that fast since nano have been nerfed. Been on SISI? Obviously not. Btw, if you want to reproduce the effect of a TQ web, you need 3 webs. Transversal control vs ABing ships is out of the question with scramblers. Now, while stuff is slightly slower (non-nano cruisers/HACs are just as fast), it's not 400% slower which is the amount by which webs were nerfed. For instance, D180mm AC IIs (best tracking medium gun in game) with maximum skills will NOT hit a double-webbed ~~afterburning~~ non-afterburning frigate, to give you a rough idea. Any solo capable fits are going to have to undergo significant changes. Originally by: Commander Thrawn when I read this section of the forums I feel like i'm watching a south park episode with all the ******ed mass panic that goes on. "OMG global warming." you're all nuts You're just clueless really. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Commander Thrawn Fluffy Rabbit Killers	Posted - 2008.11.08 01:48:00 - [76] Originally by: Cpt BrankoFor instance, D180mm AC IIs (best tracking medium gun in game) with maximum skills will NOT hit a double-webbed ~~afterburning~~ non-afterburning frigate, to give you a rough idea. [/quote use drones it's f*&'ing frig.
Mortuus Minmatar Fat J Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.11.08 01:52:00 - [77] Please use drones on my AF or even my Claw, both ships can kill them before they do any real damage. Occassus Republica <3
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.11.08 01:58:00 - [78] Edited by: The Djego on 08/11/2008 01:58:34 Originally by: Commander Thrawn Originally by: Cpt BrankoFor instance, D180mm AC IIs (best tracking medium gun in game) with maximum skills will NOT hit a double-webbed ~~afterburning~~ non-afterburning frigate, to give you a rough idea. [/quote use drones it's f&'ing frig. Go test it on Sissi, you might be suprised or wait anther 3 days and you will see it on TQ. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by:* Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Phidell Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.08 03:30:00 - [79] Originally by: Commander Thrawn everyone one has gone nuts, from this patch I swear to god. I hope none of you fly BS after the patch so I can f%^k you with mine. Its really not that hard to fit a few webs on there. ships wont go that fast since nano have been nerfed. when I read this section of the forums I feel like i'm watching a south park episode with all the ******ed mass panic that goes on. "OMG global warming." you're all nuts It seems you haven't actually played on sisi.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.11.08 03:39:00 - [80] Chooooo! Choooooooo! Hey CCP, clue train... Chooooooooooooooo!!!!! damn, they missed it. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire Liang/Vanesca - Order/Iron Rock@WAR www.kwikdeath.org
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.08 03:41:00 - [81] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 08/11/2008 03:41:12 Originally by: Mortuus Please use drones on my AF or even my Claw, both ships can kill them before they do any real damage. Drones from a drone carrier are preety much the only working thing short of neuting or 3x web + TP, and even then better have backups (or better yet, medium ECMs ). Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint

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