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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 13:55:00 -
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As title says there is nothing left in the game for me to do, I've done missions, mined in 0.0 space, chained BS's when it was allowed and killed countless NPC's. I have 3mil skillpoints and can't think of a single reason to conintue playing eve. pvp just does not interest me at all, mining is just boring and missions seem a complete waste of time oh and trading doesnt really seem possible or at least requires to much effort to find good routes.
At the start you have a reason to continue, save for a better ship, better equipment but when you have the isk to buy many bs's and insure them where do you go from there if your not interested in pvp combat? Game is just so empty it seems. 
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 13:55:00 -
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As title says there is nothing left in the game for me to do, I've done missions, mined in 0.0 space, chained BS's when it was allowed and killed countless NPC's. I have 3mil skillpoints and can't think of a single reason to conintue playing eve. pvp just does not interest me at all, mining is just boring and missions seem a complete waste of time oh and trading doesnt really seem possible or at least requires to much effort to find good routes.
At the start you have a reason to continue, save for a better ship, better equipment but when you have the isk to buy many bs's and insure them where do you go from there if your not interested in pvp combat? Game is just so empty it seems.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2004.07.04 13:58:00 -
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Can i have your stuff? IBTL
Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station |
Aelius
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Posted - 2004.07.04 13:58:00 -
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Can i have your stuff? IBTL
Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station |
Tech2 Shoppe
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Posted - 2004.07.04 13:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Aelius
Can i have your stuff? IBTL
Nerd. |
Tech2 Shoppe
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Posted - 2004.07.04 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
Can i have your stuff? IBTL
Nerd. |
Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
Can i have your stuff? IBTL
No, I may want to play again after shiva is released. 
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
Can i have your stuff? IBTL
No, I may want to play again after shiva is released.
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Ariadne
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:06:00 -
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Ok, youre screwed!What do you really want to do then?
"This means V+R."
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Ariadne
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:06:00 -
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Ok, youre screwed!What do you really want to do then?
"This means V+R."
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ariadne
Ok, youre screwed!What do you really want to do then?
How about a system that doesnt make you wait a month+ when you want to try something different, make trading possible (e.g. freelancer style) include harder missions and even allow groups to complete missions together against battleship rats. Stop ****ing off player bys screwing up there existing setups. You know, simple things really..
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ariadne
Ok, youre screwed!What do you really want to do then?
How about a system that doesnt make you wait a month+ when you want to try something different, make trading possible (e.g. freelancer style) include harder missions and even allow groups to complete missions together against battleship rats. Stop ****ing off player bys screwing up there existing setups. You know, simple things really..
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Kallos
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:13:00 -
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I disagree. If your in a corp, then you can place effort into getting your corp strong, donating stuff, manufacturing stuff, and helping newer members. I find this itself a far better goal than trying to just get better stuff for myself.
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The Amarr way is the right way
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Kallos
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:13:00 -
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I disagree. If your in a corp, then you can place effort into getting your corp strong, donating stuff, manufacturing stuff, and helping newer members. I find this itself a far better goal than trying to just get better stuff for myself.
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The Amarr way is the right way
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kallos
I disagree. If your in a corp, then you can place effort into getting your corp strong, donating stuff, manufacturing stuff, and helping newer members. I find this itself a far better goal than trying to just get better stuff for myself.
But theres no fun factor in doing this? I don't play games to make pretend money for my pretend corp. I want to have some fun when I play.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kallos
I disagree. If your in a corp, then you can place effort into getting your corp strong, donating stuff, manufacturing stuff, and helping newer members. I find this itself a far better goal than trying to just get better stuff for myself.
But theres no fun factor in doing this? I don't play games to make pretend money for my pretend corp. I want to have some fun when I play.
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:22:00 -
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Well play the game differently. Just coz you can solo a BS spawn in a BS does not mean you have to, go get a group of lunatics in cruisers and see if you can do it, believe me it gets a whole lot more interesting at that point.
Set challanges for yourself by not doing everything the easy way.
We could all sit in apocs with 8 m2s and 10 harvies chewing on rock all day in safe space and make a bundle of isk.
Be boring as hell, fortunately the game has so many things you can explore and do and a myriad different ways to achieve the same basic objectives it could never be boring.
But in the end you have to come to realise maybe you just dont like the game, in which case leave.
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:22:00 -
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Well play the game differently. Just coz you can solo a BS spawn in a BS does not mean you have to, go get a group of lunatics in cruisers and see if you can do it, believe me it gets a whole lot more interesting at that point.
Set challanges for yourself by not doing everything the easy way.
We could all sit in apocs with 8 m2s and 10 harvies chewing on rock all day in safe space and make a bundle of isk.
Be boring as hell, fortunately the game has so many things you can explore and do and a myriad different ways to achieve the same basic objectives it could never be boring.
But in the end you have to come to realise maybe you just dont like the game, in which case leave.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man
Well play the game differently. Just coz you can solo a BS spawn in a BS does not mean you have to, go get a group of lunatics in cruisers and see if you can do it, believe me it gets a whole lot more interesting at that point.
Set challanges for yourself by not doing everything the easy way.
We could all sit in apocs with 8 m2s and 10 harvies chewing on rock all day in safe space and make a bundle of isk.
Be boring as hell, fortunately the game has so many things you can explore and do and a myriad different ways to achieve the same basic objectives it could never be boring.
But in the end you have to come to realise maybe you just dont like the game, in which case leave.
I disagree with everything you said except the last bit  I don't mine much at all, theres no reason to take on BS's in cruisers, seems a nice waste of my time to do that.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man
Well play the game differently. Just coz you can solo a BS spawn in a BS does not mean you have to, go get a group of lunatics in cruisers and see if you can do it, believe me it gets a whole lot more interesting at that point.
Set challanges for yourself by not doing everything the easy way.
We could all sit in apocs with 8 m2s and 10 harvies chewing on rock all day in safe space and make a bundle of isk.
Be boring as hell, fortunately the game has so many things you can explore and do and a myriad different ways to achieve the same basic objectives it could never be boring.
But in the end you have to come to realise maybe you just dont like the game, in which case leave.
I disagree with everything you said except the last bit I don't mine much at all, theres no reason to take on BS's in cruisers, seems a nice waste of my time to do that.
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Slam
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:37:00 -
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only thing that will EVER make a game last for years and years is pvp - simple as that.
Your post is a cry for help. You can come back when Shiva hits but if the "ai" is all you are playing with Shiva wont last more than 1-2 month for you.
Btw pvp is not just shooting other people in space. Pvp in Eve is a really broad term.....the trick is to understand that the ONLY entities that will provide a lasting game experience is the other players. The players that help you AND the players that work against you.
My best advice to anybody strugling to find fun in Eve is to look at the major player conflicts in Eve and construct your gaming experience around that in someway. You dont have to be a member of a great corp or a huge alliance. There are many other paths you can take - spy, mercenary, pirate, arms supplier.
..and then again Eve is certainly not for everybody.
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Slam
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:37:00 -
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only thing that will EVER make a game last for years and years is pvp - simple as that.
Your post is a cry for help. You can come back when Shiva hits but if the "ai" is all you are playing with Shiva wont last more than 1-2 month for you.
Btw pvp is not just shooting other people in space. Pvp in Eve is a really broad term.....the trick is to understand that the ONLY entities that will provide a lasting game experience is the other players. The players that help you AND the players that work against you.
My best advice to anybody strugling to find fun in Eve is to look at the major player conflicts in Eve and construct your gaming experience around that in someway. You dont have to be a member of a great corp or a huge alliance. There are many other paths you can take - spy, mercenary, pirate, arms supplier.
..and then again Eve is certainly not for everybody.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:40:00 -
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It's not a cry for help  , I im curious if players agree or not, not everyone wants to help fight the pretend wars. 
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:40:00 -
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It's not a cry for help , I im curious if players agree or not, not everyone wants to help fight the pretend wars.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:41:00 -
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Slam explained it best.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:41:00 -
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Slam explained it best.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:50:00 -
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Obviously people here who play the game will not agree with me but its interesting to see why you guys keep playing, what your goals are in the game.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 14:50:00 -
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Obviously people here who play the game will not agree with me but its interesting to see why you guys keep playing, what your goals are in the game.
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.07.04 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shocky
I have 3mil skillpoints
LOL !
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.07.04 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shocky
I have 3mil skillpoints
LOL !
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.07.04 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shocky
Obviously people here who play the game will not agree with me but its interesting to see why you guys keep playing, what your goals are in the game.
there are no goals or high level content in eve
you can achive a BS in a month, and that was it
Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.07.04 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shocky
Obviously people here who play the game will not agree with me but its interesting to see why you guys keep playing, what your goals are in the game.
there are no goals or high level content in eve
you can achive a BS in a month, and that was it
Wanna fly with me?
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.04 15:22:00 -
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Shiver me timbers!
Thats all i have to say
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.04 15:22:00 -
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Shiver me timbers!
Thats all i have to say
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Marshal
Originally by: Shocky
I have 3mil skillpoints
LOL !
And thats funny because ? cmon explain or you just look like a ***** unless that was your intention.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Marshal
Originally by: Shocky
I have 3mil skillpoints
LOL !
And thats funny because ? cmon explain or you just look like a ***** unless that was your intention.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Shocky
Obviously people here who play the game will not agree with me but its interesting to see why you guys keep playing, what your goals are in the game.
there are no goals or high level content in eve
you can achive a BS in a month, and that was it
Yes your right but theres nothing after that to keep me playing.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Shocky
Obviously people here who play the game will not agree with me but its interesting to see why you guys keep playing, what your goals are in the game.
there are no goals or high level content in eve
you can achive a BS in a month, and that was it
Yes your right but theres nothing after that to keep me playing.
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Akima Tucker
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Posted - 2004.07.04 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shocky
theres no reason to take on BS's in cruisers, seems a nice waste of my time to do that.
There is a reason, well i think so any well... for the sheer challenge of it! As Omega Man said - itÆs easy to kill an npc BS with a BS... the challenge is to do it in a smaller ship and not get killed...
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Akima Tucker
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Posted - 2004.07.04 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shocky
theres no reason to take on BS's in cruisers, seems a nice waste of my time to do that.
There is a reason, well i think so any well... for the sheer challenge of it! As Omega Man said - itÆs easy to kill an npc BS with a BS... the challenge is to do it in a smaller ship and not get killed...
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.07.04 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Shocky
Obviously people here who play the game will not agree with me but its interesting to see why you guys keep playing, what your goals are in the game.
there are no goals or high level content in eve
you can achive a BS in a month, and that was it
Aye, i started killing stuff, and well it gets boring in the end aswell
this is what eve lacks
Carebear|Me
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.07.04 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Shocky
Obviously people here who play the game will not agree with me but its interesting to see why you guys keep playing, what your goals are in the game.
there are no goals or high level content in eve
you can achive a BS in a month, and that was it
Aye, i started killing stuff, and well it gets boring in the end aswell
this is what eve lacks
Carebear|Me
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.04 17:14:00 -
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Goals in EVE, kill a player battleship solo in a thorax. Have a blast, make my corps wallet grow and grow, have the biggest tech II component stock in game. Be the person with the highest Gallente federation standing in game. Have a blast. Get to fly a gallente battlecruiser. Build a spacestation. Help with balance testing and make this games combat system the best ever for a space based game without true space physics. Have a blast. ***** these forums ( doing quite well here ) Help people with setups ( and lots of people need it ). I could go on for days really.
Eve is what you make it. The new pirate dungeons, POS and lots of other things in Shiva will seriously improve on whats already there. Part of the problem you're having is the problem every MMORPG faces, Hardcore gamers ( and I am that ) get the best and the biggest way too fast, and as a result get bored, while casual gamers have plenty left to do. I took a one month break, and when I came back I fell in love with EVE again, I will not leave this game permanently until the servers close, and everytime I buy a single player game I stop playing it in a day. I miss the interaction, the players, the community and the awesome tools to have a blast CCP has given me.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.04 17:14:00 -
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Goals in EVE, kill a player battleship solo in a thorax. Have a blast, make my corps wallet grow and grow, have the biggest tech II component stock in game. Be the person with the highest Gallente federation standing in game. Have a blast. Get to fly a gallente battlecruiser. Build a spacestation. Help with balance testing and make this games combat system the best ever for a space based game without true space physics. Have a blast. ***** these forums ( doing quite well here ) Help people with setups ( and lots of people need it ). I could go on for days really.
Eve is what you make it. The new pirate dungeons, POS and lots of other things in Shiva will seriously improve on whats already there. Part of the problem you're having is the problem every MMORPG faces, Hardcore gamers ( and I am that ) get the best and the biggest way too fast, and as a result get bored, while casual gamers have plenty left to do. I took a one month break, and when I came back I fell in love with EVE again, I will not leave this game permanently until the servers close, and everytime I buy a single player game I stop playing it in a day. I miss the interaction, the players, the community and the awesome tools to have a blast CCP has given me.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.04 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shocky
As title says there is nothing left in the game for me to do, I've done missions, mined in 0.0 space, chained BS's when it was allowed and killed countless NPC's. I have 3mil skillpoints and can't think of a single reason to conintue playing eve. pvp just does not interest me at all, mining is just boring and missions seem a complete waste of time oh and trading doesnt really seem possible or at least requires to much effort to find good routes.
At the start you have a reason to continue, save for a better ship, better equipment but when you have the isk to buy many bs's and insure them where do you go from there if your not interested in pvp combat? Game is just so empty it seems.
Well i was going to answer pvp x 3 but just saw pvp doesnt interest me...
Well my answer is :
1- try pvp anyway I mean its the blast of Eve for me, i can challenge real thinking pilots, thats the fun for me.
2- Well ...Wait for Shiva with its dungeouns?
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.04 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shocky
As title says there is nothing left in the game for me to do, I've done missions, mined in 0.0 space, chained BS's when it was allowed and killed countless NPC's. I have 3mil skillpoints and can't think of a single reason to conintue playing eve. pvp just does not interest me at all, mining is just boring and missions seem a complete waste of time oh and trading doesnt really seem possible or at least requires to much effort to find good routes.
At the start you have a reason to continue, save for a better ship, better equipment but when you have the isk to buy many bs's and insure them where do you go from there if your not interested in pvp combat? Game is just so empty it seems.
Well i was going to answer pvp x 3 but just saw pvp doesnt interest me...
Well my answer is :
1- try pvp anyway I mean its the blast of Eve for me, i can challenge real thinking pilots, thats the fun for me.
2- Well ...Wait for Shiva with its dungeouns?
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
The Sloth
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Posted - 2004.07.04 17:47:00 -
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Leave.
The Sloth.
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The Sloth
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Posted - 2004.07.04 17:47:00 -
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Leave.
The Sloth.
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GuardianKnight
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Posted - 2004.07.04 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: GuardianKnight on 04/07/2004 19:01:22
im just glad this thread didnt get turned into a childish idiot fest saying " just leave "
update: oops guess it did
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GuardianKnight
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Posted - 2004.07.04 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: GuardianKnight on 04/07/2004 19:01:22
im just glad this thread didnt get turned into a childish idiot fest saying " just leave "
update: oops guess it did
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broot
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Posted - 2004.07.04 19:05:00 -
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you know its very funny how many similar threads to this there are...
sure eve lacks and gets boring if ur just gonna take the easy road with everything and not take a single challenge...
I never left a frigate and i chained in a 0.1 quit a few times now your bored because you can sit in a bs and let the drones eat up a 0.1 spawn of pirates on there own?
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broot
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Posted - 2004.07.04 19:05:00 -
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you know its very funny how many similar threads to this there are...
sure eve lacks and gets boring if ur just gonna take the easy road with everything and not take a single challenge...
I never left a frigate and i chained in a 0.1 quit a few times now your bored because you can sit in a bs and let the drones eat up a 0.1 spawn of pirates on there own?
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2004.07.04 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Fuujin on 04/07/2004 19:09:03
You don't want to work for pretend money which the game has a very strong market to play with. You don't want to help your corp or your friends. You don't want to fight in pretend wars when there's several big wars going around with a lot of politics, twists and suprises involved.
What the heck was it that got you interested in the game in the first place?
uhm ok.
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The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2004.07.04 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Fuujin on 04/07/2004 19:09:03
You don't want to work for pretend money which the game has a very strong market to play with. You don't want to help your corp or your friends. You don't want to fight in pretend wars when there's several big wars going around with a lot of politics, twists and suprises involved.
What the heck was it that got you interested in the game in the first place?
uhm ok.
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The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.04 19:16:00 -
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THis is what I got out of the post.
I dont like fighting, I dont like mining, I dont like building my own stations or outposts, I dont like trading because it is too hard, I dont like making things because its boring, I dont like missions because they are boring, Research does not interest me, and spaceships make me nauseous.
I just think you had a brief moment of despair. Try taking time away from Eve. And seriously ask yourself what was it that attratced you to eve in the first place? To me it seems just like not your niche.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.04 19:16:00 -
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THis is what I got out of the post.
I dont like fighting, I dont like mining, I dont like building my own stations or outposts, I dont like trading because it is too hard, I dont like making things because its boring, I dont like missions because they are boring, Research does not interest me, and spaceships make me nauseous.
I just think you had a brief moment of despair. Try taking time away from Eve. And seriously ask yourself what was it that attratced you to eve in the first place? To me it seems just like not your niche.
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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.07.04 19:22:00 -
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It seems to me you don't want to do anything that involves "pretending". So I dunno why you even bother playing a MMO if everything is a waste of time. 
Me personally, I collect ships. I have 34 so far.
I also like to Talk to people. And then blow them up. Or have them blow me up. Which ever, so long as my ship lasts longer than 5 seconds.
I hate to mine, but I do it anyway sometimes. When there's a good show on. (perk of having a comp in the bedroom.. you can AFK mine.. without being AFK!)
I'm not judging you or trying to be an ass. But if you don't want to help others. Don't want to pvp. Don't want to mine. Don't want to manufacture. Don't want to do anything the game has to offer. Then I'm sorry to say, I think it's time you find another game.  Hopefully shiva will make you change your mind, but I don't see how. Afterall, it's just upgrades and patches for things you don't wanna do.
Maybe the "dungeons"?
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Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |
Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.07.04 19:22:00 -
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It seems to me you don't want to do anything that involves "pretending". So I dunno why you even bother playing a MMO if everything is a waste of time.
Me personally, I collect ships. I have 34 so far.
I also like to Talk to people. And then blow them up. Or have them blow me up. Which ever, so long as my ship lasts longer than 5 seconds.
I hate to mine, but I do it anyway sometimes. When there's a good show on. (perk of having a comp in the bedroom.. you can AFK mine.. without being AFK!)
I'm not judging you or trying to be an ass. But if you don't want to help others. Don't want to pvp. Don't want to mine. Don't want to manufacture. Don't want to do anything the game has to offer. Then I'm sorry to say, I think it's time you find another game. Hopefully shiva will make you change your mind, but I don't see how. Afterall, it's just upgrades and patches for things you don't wanna do.
Maybe the "dungeons"?
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Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |
Asfa
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Posted - 2004.07.04 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Slam
only thing that will EVER make a game last for years and years is pvp - simple as that.
EverQuest players may disagree.
Content is what makes a game last years and years. PvP may/should be a part of that content - but cannot be all of it, not in a MMOG anyway.
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Asfa
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Posted - 2004.07.04 19:30:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Slam
only thing that will EVER make a game last for years and years is pvp - simple as that.
EverQuest players may disagree.
Content is what makes a game last years and years. PvP may/should be a part of that content - but cannot be all of it, not in a MMOG anyway.
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overcorpse
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Posted - 2004.07.04 19:47:00 -
[61]
if you dont like the game just quit,if your bored just quit,if you lack the imagination to make a mark in the game just quit.
but please stop coming to the boards and whining that theres nothing to eve,as most of us dont care.
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overcorpse
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Posted - 2004.07.04 19:47:00 -
[62]
if you dont like the game just quit,if your bored just quit,if you lack the imagination to make a mark in the game just quit.
but please stop coming to the boards and whining that theres nothing to eve,as most of us dont care.
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Tech2 Shoppe
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Posted - 2004.07.04 20:41:00 -
[63]
Originally by: overcorpse
if you dont like the game just quit,if your bored just quit,if you lack the imagination to make a mark in the game just quit.
but please stop coming to the boards and whining that theres nothing to eve,as most of us dont care.
Yeah I bet thats how you always handle things, just quit. People like you never improve things. |
Tech2 Shoppe
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Posted - 2004.07.04 20:41:00 -
[64]
Originally by: overcorpse
if you dont like the game just quit,if your bored just quit,if you lack the imagination to make a mark in the game just quit.
but please stop coming to the boards and whining that theres nothing to eve,as most of us dont care.
Yeah I bet thats how you always handle things, just quit. People like you never improve things. |
Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 23:00:00 -
[65]
LOL, you guys! I'm sorry the PVP in eve is very lacking and ends up simply being setup vs setup and not so much about skill so I don't like it. Nuff said.
If you actually did pilot your own ships and target weapons manually I could understand PVP but you don't, you point and click and watch your ship fight.
Plus the game as a whole feels cheap, ships flying though stations and even when they do impact they suffer no damage. ThereÆs no docking sequence, battleships (ships) just disappear in these tiny stations. e.g. If a frigate rams a battleship the frigate should suffer serious damage but no its bounces off and results in the battleship doing summersaults.
Just a few things I dislike about EVE
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.04 23:00:00 -
[66]
LOL, you guys! I'm sorry the PVP in eve is very lacking and ends up simply being setup vs setup and not so much about skill so I don't like it. Nuff said.
If you actually did pilot your own ships and target weapons manually I could understand PVP but you don't, you point and click and watch your ship fight.
Plus the game as a whole feels cheap, ships flying though stations and even when they do impact they suffer no damage. ThereÆs no docking sequence, battleships (ships) just disappear in these tiny stations. e.g. If a frigate rams a battleship the frigate should suffer serious damage but no its bounces off and results in the battleship doing summersaults.
Just a few things I dislike about EVE
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Draximus Cane
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Posted - 2004.07.04 23:15:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Shocky
LOL, you guys! I'm sorry the PVP in eve is very lacking and ends up simply being setup vs setup and not so much about skill so I don't like it. Nuff said.
If you actually did pilot your own ships and target weapons manually I could understand PVP but you don't, you point and click and watch your ship fight.
Plus the game as a whole feels cheap, ships flying though stations and even when they do impact they suffer no damage. ThereÆs no docking sequence, battleships (ships) just disappear in these tiny stations. e.g. If a frigate rams a battleship the frigate should suffer serious damage but no its bounces off and results in the battleship doing summersaults.
Just a few things I dislike about EVE
Its your navigation system, it doesnt allow your ship to bump into anything.
oh, and its a game
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Draximus Cane
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Posted - 2004.07.04 23:15:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Shocky
LOL, you guys! I'm sorry the PVP in eve is very lacking and ends up simply being setup vs setup and not so much about skill so I don't like it. Nuff said.
If you actually did pilot your own ships and target weapons manually I could understand PVP but you don't, you point and click and watch your ship fight.
Plus the game as a whole feels cheap, ships flying though stations and even when they do impact they suffer no damage. ThereÆs no docking sequence, battleships (ships) just disappear in these tiny stations. e.g. If a frigate rams a battleship the frigate should suffer serious damage but no its bounces off and results in the battleship doing summersaults.
Just a few things I dislike about EVE
Its your navigation system, it doesnt allow your ship to bump into anything.
oh, and its a game
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.04 23:27:00 -
[69]
I agree frigates making battleships changed course or they bump you just as hard as you bump them is broken. Wouuld I quit over that? no. Eve has a whole is a very very very good game. setup vs setup? well yeah that is what you would call your so called stradegy. And with fleet battles your setup is more and more important becuase you can have support ships. tankers, damage dealers, fast moving, warp jamming. webifying, long range, hsort range. mid range etc. THe possibilities are there for a well coordinated and strategic fleet to own people. Pvp is very much good in EVe. THe only thing that is obviously a problem right now is getting the changes going in tested and agreed upon. And then even more important is getting a stable client and reliable server setup. IM confident they will work out the server problems. And im confident Shiva will be pretty good and Kali will be even better. Experience will make them better at what they do and it will only get better not worse. It only takes doing a mistake once or twice to usually rectify it. And if you solve that problem you usually learn from it.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.04 23:27:00 -
[70]
I agree frigates making battleships changed course or they bump you just as hard as you bump them is broken. Wouuld I quit over that? no. Eve has a whole is a very very very good game. setup vs setup? well yeah that is what you would call your so called stradegy. And with fleet battles your setup is more and more important becuase you can have support ships. tankers, damage dealers, fast moving, warp jamming. webifying, long range, hsort range. mid range etc. THe possibilities are there for a well coordinated and strategic fleet to own people. Pvp is very much good in EVe. THe only thing that is obviously a problem right now is getting the changes going in tested and agreed upon. And then even more important is getting a stable client and reliable server setup. IM confident they will work out the server problems. And im confident Shiva will be pretty good and Kali will be even better. Experience will make them better at what they do and it will only get better not worse. It only takes doing a mistake once or twice to usually rectify it. And if you solve that problem you usually learn from it.
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.07.04 23:33:00 -
[71]
I have almost 12mill skill points and can only fly a Gallente BS level 1. Dominix.
There are so many roles to play in your ship in a battle, as a scout, as a hauler, as a trader. 3 mill heh you haven't seen diddlydoo of this game yet.
You're only as limited in Eve as your own imagination.
I'm not done. And i probably won't be done when the servers are switched off.
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2004.07.04 23:33:00 -
[72]
I have almost 12mill skill points and can only fly a Gallente BS level 1. Dominix.
There are so many roles to play in your ship in a battle, as a scout, as a hauler, as a trader. 3 mill heh you haven't seen diddlydoo of this game yet.
You're only as limited in Eve as your own imagination.
I'm not done. And i probably won't be done when the servers are switched off.
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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fisho
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Posted - 2004.07.04 23:37:00 -
[73]
PVP doesn't interest you!!!! Man that is the ONLY reason i stick by this game, and i bet most if not ALL of m0o feel the same. Give PvP a go, i promise you you'll enjoy it.
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fisho
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Posted - 2004.07.04 23:37:00 -
[74]
PVP doesn't interest you!!!! Man that is the ONLY reason i stick by this game, and i bet most if not ALL of m0o feel the same. Give PvP a go, i promise you you'll enjoy it.
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Amerame
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Posted - 2004.07.04 23:42:00 -
[75]
If you think skill is using your joystick / mouse better than your oppenent then you should consider playing games like WC3 / CS, E-sports and stuff. A MMORPG will *never* be as well oiled as those games, as balanced.
It's not multiplayer game, it's a MASSIVELY multiplayer game, that's a huge difference, you just can't achieve anything significant solo.
You're talking like you did not even imagine you could interact with other players. Trade route ? If you want to be a trader there's certainly better thing to do than selling and buying from NPC. Dunno, maybe selling ammo, weapons and ships in 0.0 and mega in empire ?
PvP + roleplay oriented = bound to not please to everyone, and that is good, trying to catter to everyone is the best way to make a boring game.
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Amerame
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Posted - 2004.07.04 23:42:00 -
[76]
If you think skill is using your joystick / mouse better than your oppenent then you should consider playing games like WC3 / CS, E-sports and stuff. A MMORPG will *never* be as well oiled as those games, as balanced.
It's not multiplayer game, it's a MASSIVELY multiplayer game, that's a huge difference, you just can't achieve anything significant solo.
You're talking like you did not even imagine you could interact with other players. Trade route ? If you want to be a trader there's certainly better thing to do than selling and buying from NPC. Dunno, maybe selling ammo, weapons and ships in 0.0 and mega in empire ?
PvP + roleplay oriented = bound to not please to everyone, and that is good, trying to catter to everyone is the best way to make a boring game.
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.04 23:58:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Shocky
I'm sorry the PVP in eve is very lacking and ends up simply being setup vs setup and not so much about skill so I don't like it. Nuff said.
Hey, I thought that too, then I quit for eight months, came back, then realized I was a complete f*cking moron for thinking something so damned silly.
Bascially, you're an EVE-newbie (yes, you are) spoiled by other mmogs. Which have a tendancy to concentrate all of their efforts on the low level game. While the high level game maintains a permanent "back burner" position.
And its funny to see someone whos been playing for six months and only has three million skill points.
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.04 23:58:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Shocky
I'm sorry the PVP in eve is very lacking and ends up simply being setup vs setup and not so much about skill so I don't like it. Nuff said.
Hey, I thought that too, then I quit for eight months, came back, then realized I was a complete f*cking moron for thinking something so damned silly.
Bascially, you're an EVE-newbie (yes, you are) spoiled by other mmogs. Which have a tendancy to concentrate all of their efforts on the low level game. While the high level game maintains a permanent "back burner" position.
And its funny to see someone whos been playing for six months and only has three million skill points.
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2004.07.05 00:07:00 -
[79]
I enjoy tracking down safespots using the scanner.
Finding a ship that someone left out in space is always like a treasure hunt -- you never know what will be inside.
And, there's nothing quite like getting into your 1st abandoned battleship that was left running, keys in the ignition.
Other than that.. frig dogfighting with other players, especially ones that are actually skilled and can kill you, is great fun.
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2004.07.05 00:07:00 -
[80]
I enjoy tracking down safespots using the scanner.
Finding a ship that someone left out in space is always like a treasure hunt -- you never know what will be inside.
And, there's nothing quite like getting into your 1st abandoned battleship that was left running, keys in the ignition.
Other than that.. frig dogfighting with other players, especially ones that are actually skilled and can kill you, is great fun.
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.07.05 01:01:00 -
[81]
Dude, theres plenty of **** in this game thats fun
Well PVP anyway.
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.07.05 01:01:00 -
[82]
Dude, theres plenty of **** in this game thats fun
Well PVP anyway.
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Wandarah
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Posted - 2004.07.05 01:05:00 -
[83]
Hey, you got bored. It happens.
Seeya!
NZEA 4 Lyfe |
Wandarah
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Posted - 2004.07.05 01:05:00 -
[84]
Hey, you got bored. It happens.
Seeya!
NZEA 4 Lyfe |
Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.07.05 01:23:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Shocky
As title says there is nothing left in the game for me to do, I've done missions, mined in 0.0 space, chained BS's when it was allowed and killed countless NPC's. I have 3mil skillpoints and can't think of a single reason to conintue playing eve. pvp just does not interest me at all, mining is just boring and missions seem a complete waste of time oh and trading doesnt really seem possible or at least requires to much effort to find good routes.
At the start you have a reason to continue, save for a better ship, better equipment but when you have the isk to buy many bs's and insure them where do you go from there if your not interested in pvp combat? Game is just so empty it seems.
EVE is PVP.
Everything else is but a means to an end, that is to get ISK for ships and modules.
If you dont PVP you wont last in EVE.
Try PVP with good friends that can show you the robes and you wont leave EVE, ever.
Spawn of the Devil
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.07.05 01:23:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Shocky
As title says there is nothing left in the game for me to do, I've done missions, mined in 0.0 space, chained BS's when it was allowed and killed countless NPC's. I have 3mil skillpoints and can't think of a single reason to conintue playing eve. pvp just does not interest me at all, mining is just boring and missions seem a complete waste of time oh and trading doesnt really seem possible or at least requires to much effort to find good routes.
At the start you have a reason to continue, save for a better ship, better equipment but when you have the isk to buy many bs's and insure them where do you go from there if your not interested in pvp combat? Game is just so empty it seems.
EVE is PVP.
Everything else is but a means to an end, that is to get ISK for ships and modules.
If you dont PVP you wont last in EVE.
Try PVP with good friends that can show you the robes and you wont leave EVE, ever.
Spawn of the Devil
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.07.05 01:32:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Omniwar
EVE is PVP.
Everything else is but a means to an end, that is to get ISK for ships and modules.
If you dont PVP you wont last in EVE.
Try PVP with good friends that can show you the robes and you wont leave EVE, ever.
Spot on. Learn to blow stuff up and the fun never stops
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.07.05 01:32:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Omniwar
EVE is PVP.
Everything else is but a means to an end, that is to get ISK for ships and modules.
If you dont PVP you wont last in EVE.
Try PVP with good friends that can show you the robes and you wont leave EVE, ever.
Spot on. Learn to blow stuff up and the fun never stops
Eve Blacklight Style
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2004.07.05 02:03:00 -
[89]
Edited by: VossKarr on 05/07/2004 02:05:04
Originally by: Omniwar
EVE is PVP.
Everything else is but a means to an end, that is to get ISK for ships and modules.
Hit the nail right on the head there! Well said!
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2004.07.05 02:03:00 -
[90]
Edited by: VossKarr on 05/07/2004 02:05:04
Originally by: Omniwar
EVE is PVP.
Everything else is but a means to an end, that is to get ISK for ships and modules.
Hit the nail right on the head there! Well said!
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.07.05 04:11:00 -
[91]
You haven't done trading...
Convert Stations
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.07.05 04:11:00 -
[92]
You haven't done trading...
Convert Stations
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.05 04:27:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Shocky
LOL, you guys! I'm sorry the PVP in eve is very lacking and ends up simply being setup vs setup and not so much about skill so I don't like it. Nuff said.
If you actually did pilot your own ships and target weapons manually I could understand PVP but you don't, you point and click and watch your ship fight.
Plus the game as a whole feels cheap, ships flying though stations and even when they do impact they suffer no damage. ThereÆs no docking sequence, battleships (ships) just disappear in these tiny stations. e.g. If a frigate rams a battleship the frigate should suffer serious damage but no its bounces off and results in the battleship doing summersaults.
Just a few things I dislike about EVE
You haven't actually done any PvP. nuff said.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.05 04:27:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Shocky
LOL, you guys! I'm sorry the PVP in eve is very lacking and ends up simply being setup vs setup and not so much about skill so I don't like it. Nuff said.
If you actually did pilot your own ships and target weapons manually I could understand PVP but you don't, you point and click and watch your ship fight.
Plus the game as a whole feels cheap, ships flying though stations and even when they do impact they suffer no damage. ThereÆs no docking sequence, battleships (ships) just disappear in these tiny stations. e.g. If a frigate rams a battleship the frigate should suffer serious damage but no its bounces off and results in the battleship doing summersaults.
Just a few things I dislike about EVE
You haven't actually done any PvP. nuff said.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
PussyGalor
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Posted - 2004.07.05 05:38:00 -
[95]
Edited by: *****Galor on 05/07/2004 05:39:31
i have nothing to do now boohooo ROFL...3 mill skill pts ROFL...if you dont wanna do stuff then just make believe your having fun or how about STFU and move to another game and stop posting useless threads about being bored..thanks.
ps. stfu
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PussyGalor
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Posted - 2004.07.05 05:38:00 -
[96]
Edited by: *****Galor on 05/07/2004 05:39:31
i have nothing to do now boohooo ROFL...3 mill skill pts ROFL...if you dont wanna do stuff then just make believe your having fun or how about STFU and move to another game and stop posting useless threads about being bored..thanks.
ps. stfu
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.07.05 07:52:00 -
[97]
Originally by: *****Galor
Edited by: *****Galor on 05/07/2004 05:39:31
i have nothing to do now boohooo ROFL...3 mill skill pts ROFL...if you dont wanna do stuff then just make believe your having fun or how about STFU and move to another game and stop posting useless threads about being bored..thanks.
ps. stfu
Goodbye EvePlayer104194
Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.07.05 07:52:00 -
[98]
Originally by: *****Galor
Edited by: *****Galor on 05/07/2004 05:39:31
i have nothing to do now boohooo ROFL...3 mill skill pts ROFL...if you dont wanna do stuff then just make believe your having fun or how about STFU and move to another game and stop posting useless threads about being bored..thanks.
ps. stfu
Goodbye EvePlayer104194
Wanna fly with me?
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DJ Virgin
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:05:00 -
[99]
well come and drown your sorrows with us as we r good at cheering up anyone
Free radio station visit us at Eve underground radioListen to us on Broadband or on Narrow
Find us ingame channel EUR
Come and join in the party |
DJ Virgin
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:05:00 -
[100]
well come and drown your sorrows with us as we r good at cheering up anyone
Free radio station visit us at Eve underground radioListen to us on Broadband or on Narrow
Find us ingame channel EUR
Come and join in the party |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:17:00 -
[101]
Originally by: *****Galor
Edited by: *****Galor on 05/07/2004 05:39:31
i have nothing to do now boohooo ROFL...3 mill skill pts ROFL...if you dont wanna do stuff then just make believe your having fun or how about STFU and move to another game and stop posting useless threads about being bored..thanks.
ps. stfu
Play nice.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:17:00 -
[102]
Originally by: *****Galor
Edited by: *****Galor on 05/07/2004 05:39:31
i have nothing to do now boohooo ROFL...3 mill skill pts ROFL...if you dont wanna do stuff then just make believe your having fun or how about STFU and move to another game and stop posting useless threads about being bored..thanks.
ps. stfu
Play nice.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:30:00 -
[103]
Originally by: *****Galor
Edited by: *****Galor on 05/07/2004 05:39:31
i have nothing to do now boohooo ROFL...3 mill skill pts ROFL...if you dont wanna do stuff then just make believe your having fun or how about STFU and move to another game and stop posting useless threads about being bored..thanks.
ps. stfu
Well done, You really opened my eye. So its because I don't want to do stuff and not because doing stuff gives no rewards and no incentive to continue. thx.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:30:00 -
[104]
Originally by: *****Galor
Edited by: *****Galor on 05/07/2004 05:39:31
i have nothing to do now boohooo ROFL...3 mill skill pts ROFL...if you dont wanna do stuff then just make believe your having fun or how about STFU and move to another game and stop posting useless threads about being bored..thanks.
ps. stfu
Well done, You really opened my eye. So its because I don't want to do stuff and not because doing stuff gives no rewards and no incentive to continue. thx.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:32:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Shocky
As title says there is nothing left in the game for me to do, I've done missions, mined in 0.0 space, chained BS's when it was allowed and killed countless NPC's. I have 3mil skillpoints and can't think of a single reason to conintue playing eve. pvp just does not interest me at all, mining is just boring and missions seem a complete waste of time oh and trading doesnt really seem possible or at least requires to much effort to find good routes.
At the start you have a reason to continue, save for a better ship, better equipment but when you have the isk to buy many bs's and insure them where do you go from there if your not interested in pvp combat? Game is just so empty it seems.
You dont know what you miss if you havent tried it, but if your not willing to try have goodluck playing SIMS.
__________________________
http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html |
DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:32:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Shocky
As title says there is nothing left in the game for me to do, I've done missions, mined in 0.0 space, chained BS's when it was allowed and killed countless NPC's. I have 3mil skillpoints and can't think of a single reason to conintue playing eve. pvp just does not interest me at all, mining is just boring and missions seem a complete waste of time oh and trading doesnt really seem possible or at least requires to much effort to find good routes.
At the start you have a reason to continue, save for a better ship, better equipment but when you have the isk to buy many bs's and insure them where do you go from there if your not interested in pvp combat? Game is just so empty it seems.
You dont know what you miss if you havent tried it, but if your not willing to try have goodluck playing SIMS.
__________________________
http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html |
Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:39:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Shocky on 05/07/2004 08:40:30
Explain to me whats skillfull about equiping a ship and sending it into battle then clicking some buttons and watching it fight? Seems to me all you need to know is what setup counters another setup and how to click buttons. Must take allot of skill clicking them buttons with the eve engine lagging tho.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:39:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Shocky on 05/07/2004 08:40:30
Explain to me whats skillfull about equiping a ship and sending it into battle then clicking some buttons and watching it fight? Seems to me all you need to know is what setup counters another setup and how to click buttons. Must take allot of skill clicking them buttons with the eve engine lagging tho.
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:47:00 -
[109]
Until you have experienced live combat (Not Chaos), you don't understand.
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K. Raven
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:47:00 -
[110]
Until you have experienced live combat (Not Chaos), you don't understand.
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K. Raven
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MooKids
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:47:00 -
[111]
There are many good single player games out there, that seems to be all that interests you. If you refuse to even try out the exciting stuff, what is the point? And it is not just who has the best setup. Strategy and tactics do play an important role.
I suggest you stop posting here, cancel your account and go somewhere else then.
Polaris, why hasn't this thread been locked yet?
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CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
MooKids
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:47:00 -
[112]
There are many good single player games out there, that seems to be all that interests you. If you refuse to even try out the exciting stuff, what is the point? And it is not just who has the best setup. Strategy and tactics do play an important role.
I suggest you stop posting here, cancel your account and go somewhere else then.
Polaris, why hasn't this thread been locked yet?
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CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:48:00 -
[113]
So why are you not killing scores of ships and earning a reputation as a feared pilot?
Why arent you looting millions every day killing pirates (players and npcs).
I can assure you PvP is not as easy as you think. And there will never be a time in Eve I have nothing to do. Never.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:48:00 -
[114]
So why are you not killing scores of ships and earning a reputation as a feared pilot?
Why arent you looting millions every day killing pirates (players and npcs).
I can assure you PvP is not as easy as you think. And there will never be a time in Eve I have nothing to do. Never.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:57:00 -
[115]
Originally by: MooKids
There are many good single player games out there, that seems to be all that interests you. If you refuse to even try out the exciting stuff, what is the point? And it is not just who has the best setup. Strategy and tactics do play an important role.
I suggest you stop posting here, cancel your account and go somewhere else then.
Polaris, why hasn't this thread been locked yet?
You presume to much, all I play are multiplayer games I just dislike EVE style combat.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:57:00 -
[116]
Originally by: MooKids
There are many good single player games out there, that seems to be all that interests you. If you refuse to even try out the exciting stuff, what is the point? And it is not just who has the best setup. Strategy and tactics do play an important role.
I suggest you stop posting here, cancel your account and go somewhere else then.
Polaris, why hasn't this thread been locked yet?
You presume to much, all I play are multiplayer games I just dislike EVE style combat.
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Wotok
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:59:00 -
[117]
Hey Shocky, I didn't read every posting here in detail. But from what I read, I would say: It's just not your type of game. 
...happens...
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Wotok
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Posted - 2004.07.05 08:59:00 -
[118]
Hey Shocky, I didn't read every posting here in detail. But from what I read, I would say: It's just not your type of game.
...happens...
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Wotok has no brain! |
Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:07:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Wotok
Hey Shocky, I didn't read every posting here in detail. But from what I read, I would say: It's just not your type of game.
...happens...
Thats pretty much my conclusion also but reading peoples replys here is just so funny.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:07:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Wotok
Hey Shocky, I didn't read every posting here in detail. But from what I read, I would say: It's just not your type of game.
...happens...
Thats pretty much my conclusion also but reading peoples replys here is just so funny.
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:19:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Shocky
Originally by: MooKids
There are many good single player games out there, that seems to be all that interests you. If you refuse to even try out the exciting stuff, what is the point? And it is not just who has the best setup. Strategy and tactics do play an important role.
I suggest you stop posting here, cancel your account and go somewhere else then.
Polaris, why hasn't this thread been locked yet?
You presume to much, all I play are multiplayer games I just dislike EVE style combat.
Go back to CS?
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The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:19:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Shocky
Originally by: MooKids
There are many good single player games out there, that seems to be all that interests you. If you refuse to even try out the exciting stuff, what is the point? And it is not just who has the best setup. Strategy and tactics do play an important role.
I suggest you stop posting here, cancel your account and go somewhere else then.
Polaris, why hasn't this thread been locked yet?
You presume to much, all I play are multiplayer games I just dislike EVE style combat.
Go back to CS?
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The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:36:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Fuujin
Originally by: Shocky
Originally by: MooKids
There are many good single player games out there, that seems to be all that interests you. If you refuse to even try out the exciting stuff, what is the point? And it is not just who has the best setup. Strategy and tactics do play an important role.
I suggest you stop posting here, cancel your account and go somewhere else then.
Polaris, why hasn't this thread been locked yet?
You presume to much, all I play are multiplayer games I just dislike EVE style combat.
Go back to CS?
No, CS sucks. Nuff said about CS.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:36:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Fuujin
Originally by: Shocky
Originally by: MooKids
There are many good single player games out there, that seems to be all that interests you. If you refuse to even try out the exciting stuff, what is the point? And it is not just who has the best setup. Strategy and tactics do play an important role.
I suggest you stop posting here, cancel your account and go somewhere else then.
Polaris, why hasn't this thread been locked yet?
You presume to much, all I play are multiplayer games I just dislike EVE style combat.
Go back to CS?
No, CS sucks. Nuff said about CS.
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ghost437
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:40:00 -
[125]
so quit.
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ghost437
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:40:00 -
[126]
so quit.
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:41:00 -
[127]
If anyone hasn't figured this out yet, this is just someone just trolling for flames.
He's discounted every suggestion on what to do to make the game more fun, I mean... come on... he's not even willing to TRY anything new, or maybe try stuff that he hasn't liked in the past to see if there's a "fun factor" in it.
All he does is shoot down everyone's suggestions. And to me, if that person REALLY cared about the game, they would at some poinbt look at all these posts and figure.. "Hey, that might be fun, let me try that" ..
Bottom line is, Eve isn't for everyone. MMORPG's aren't for everyone. This guy sounds like he should be playing First person shooters or something. Or maybe he can play internet checkers.
Anything other than whine about everything that EVE is. If you find that you absolutely have no connection to the game, then go somewhere else.
No game is going to be everything to everyone. Eve has a niche of dedicated folks who love it for what it is. If you find it isn't for you, then just try other games to see what you like. No sense in wasting your time on a game you will never truly enjoy because you don't have the personality to enjoy it for what it is.
www.hadean.org
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:41:00 -
[128]
If anyone hasn't figured this out yet, this is just someone just trolling for flames.
He's discounted every suggestion on what to do to make the game more fun, I mean... come on... he's not even willing to TRY anything new, or maybe try stuff that he hasn't liked in the past to see if there's a "fun factor" in it.
All he does is shoot down everyone's suggestions. And to me, if that person REALLY cared about the game, they would at some poinbt look at all these posts and figure.. "Hey, that might be fun, let me try that" ..
Bottom line is, Eve isn't for everyone. MMORPG's aren't for everyone. This guy sounds like he should be playing First person shooters or something. Or maybe he can play internet checkers.
Anything other than whine about everything that EVE is. If you find that you absolutely have no connection to the game, then go somewhere else.
No game is going to be everything to everyone. Eve has a niche of dedicated folks who love it for what it is. If you find it isn't for you, then just try other games to see what you like. No sense in wasting your time on a game you will never truly enjoy because you don't have the personality to enjoy it for what it is.
www.hadean.org
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:45:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Tech2 Shoppe
Originally by: overcorpse
if you dont like the game just quit,if your bored just quit,if you lack the imagination to make a mark in the game just quit.
but please stop coming to the boards and whining that theres nothing to eve,as most of us dont care.
Yeah I bet thats how you always handle things, just quit. People like you never improve things.
Did you forget EVE is just a game? I think you did..
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:45:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Tech2 Shoppe
Originally by: overcorpse
if you dont like the game just quit,if your bored just quit,if you lack the imagination to make a mark in the game just quit.
but please stop coming to the boards and whining that theres nothing to eve,as most of us dont care.
Yeah I bet thats how you always handle things, just quit. People like you never improve things.
Did you forget EVE is just a game? I think you did..
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:48:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Gungankllr on 05/07/2004 09:54:34
Edit: I guess it's not nice to say that his avatar looks like a Pez dispenser.
www.hadean.org
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:48:00 -
[132]
Edited by: Gungankllr on 05/07/2004 09:54:34
Edit: I guess it's not nice to say that his avatar looks like a Pez dispenser.
www.hadean.org
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:48:00 -
[133]
Shock for the most part i agree with most of what your saying, it seems the only thing that has changed becides the insain lagg, number of bugs and constaint changes that the player base is ill informed about the lousy responce to petitions ( though on 2 occasions i actully got a responce with in 7 days ) the more breaks then fixes in each patch and the fact all they do is make it harder and more complex to do the exact same thing while limiting the ways you can do it. i was a beta test but it seems eve is starting to loose its apeal... and no you cant have my stuff go earn it for your self
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:48:00 -
[134]
Shock for the most part i agree with most of what your saying, it seems the only thing that has changed becides the insain lagg, number of bugs and constaint changes that the player base is ill informed about the lousy responce to petitions ( though on 2 occasions i actully got a responce with in 7 days ) the more breaks then fixes in each patch and the fact all they do is make it harder and more complex to do the exact same thing while limiting the ways you can do it. i was a beta test but it seems eve is starting to loose its apeal... and no you cant have my stuff go earn it for your self
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Skully
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:56:00 -
[135]
still finding new challenge with more than 9 mill skillpoints.....a quick goodbye to you
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Skully
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:56:00 -
[136]
still finding new challenge with more than 9 mill skillpoints.....a quick goodbye to you
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:59:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Kalast Raven
Until you have experienced live combat (Not Chaos), you don't understand.
That pretty much explains it. There's a lot more to PvP then just setting up ( it plays a large role though, and is a lot harder then people think given the amount of really crappy setups there are )
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.05 09:59:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Kalast Raven
Until you have experienced live combat (Not Chaos), you don't understand.
That pretty much explains it. There's a lot more to PvP then just setting up ( it plays a large role though, and is a lot harder then people think given the amount of really crappy setups there are )
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
The Unseen
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Posted - 2004.07.05 10:08:00 -
[139]
SHocky your sick and your an idiot for even thinking about quiting. I have played for over 1 year and EVE is STILL FUN your twit.
"Time is a companion that is with us on our journys."
~Patric Stewart |
The Unseen
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Posted - 2004.07.05 10:08:00 -
[140]
SHocky your sick and your an idiot for even thinking about quiting. I have played for over 1 year and EVE is STILL FUN your twit.
"Time is a companion that is with us on our journys."
~Patric Stewart |
Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.05 10:15:00 -
[141]
Edited by: Shocky on 05/07/2004 10:17:28
Originally by: The Unseen
SHocky your sick and your an idiot for even thinking about quiting. I have played for over 1 year and EVE is STILL FUN your twit.
The award for the stupidest post so far goes to The Unseen. Congrats.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.05 10:15:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Shocky on 05/07/2004 10:17:28
Originally by: The Unseen
SHocky your sick and your an idiot for even thinking about quiting. I have played for over 1 year and EVE is STILL FUN your twit.
The award for the stupidest post so far goes to The Unseen. Congrats.
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IZON
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Posted - 2004.07.05 10:40:00 -
[143]
Quote:
I have 3mil skillpoints and can't think of a single reason to conintue playing eve.
I'd leave if I had 3mil skill points too.
"...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!" |
IZON
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Posted - 2004.07.05 10:40:00 -
[144]
Quote:
I have 3mil skillpoints and can't think of a single reason to conintue playing eve.
I'd leave if I had 3mil skill points too.
"...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!" |
Artur Hawkwing
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Posted - 2004.07.05 11:01:00 -
[145]
To me it looks like you would be suited to ghey secks, maybe you should try that. Oh and tell me the outcome, as it is a hobby i am considering.
ps I only suggested this as you do sound ghey, tbh 
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Artur Hawkwing
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Posted - 2004.07.05 11:01:00 -
[146]
To me it looks like you would be suited to ghey secks, maybe you should try that. Oh and tell me the outcome, as it is a hobby i am considering.
ps I only suggested this as you do sound ghey, tbh
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2004.07.05 11:16:00 -
[147]
Eve rules This is the best game u are gonna find, full stop. This game is what u make it, its the best socio-economic, politics simulator i have yet seen. The EVE market is simply outstanding, there is sufficient content to keep you ticking over, but the real joy is the player interaction be it in the form of trading, pvp, ganking, even ore thieving has a role to play. High ranking mega corp directors down to the lowliest corp thief, in EVE u can be any of these, be a serial-podder or a or newbie-helper. Like a previous poster said, ur imagination is the limit. However if u dont have any imagination, well thats just too bad Guess a lifetime of level-grinding and mindless click and awaits u.
P.S pvp is a skilless contest of ship loadouts, u obviously have no idea.
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2004.07.05 11:16:00 -
[148]
Eve rules This is the best game u are gonna find, full stop. This game is what u make it, its the best socio-economic, politics simulator i have yet seen. The EVE market is simply outstanding, there is sufficient content to keep you ticking over, but the real joy is the player interaction be it in the form of trading, pvp, ganking, even ore thieving has a role to play. High ranking mega corp directors down to the lowliest corp thief, in EVE u can be any of these, be a serial-podder or a or newbie-helper. Like a previous poster said, ur imagination is the limit. However if u dont have any imagination, well thats just too bad Guess a lifetime of level-grinding and mindless click and awaits u.
P.S pvp is a skilless contest of ship loadouts, u obviously have no idea.
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.07.05 11:43:00 -
[149]
Shocky people have tried to make an effort to help you gain more out of this game, you seem determined to not to listen or take any advice, or even willing to change your position on anything based on suggestions from players that know what they are talking about.
Hopefully though posters will continue to come up with reasons why the game continues to interest them, despite your best efforts to put each one down.
You might well not see any point but a lot of people reading this thread will be taking the advice of people that know what they are talking about and no doubt dimissing your posts for what they are. |
Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.07.05 11:43:00 -
[150]
Shocky people have tried to make an effort to help you gain more out of this game, you seem determined to not to listen or take any advice, or even willing to change your position on anything based on suggestions from players that know what they are talking about.
Hopefully though posters will continue to come up with reasons why the game continues to interest them, despite your best efforts to put each one down.
You might well not see any point but a lot of people reading this thread will be taking the advice of people that know what they are talking about and no doubt dimissing your posts for what they are. |
Ariell Lucinwind
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Posted - 2004.07.05 11:55:00 -
[151]
If you need something with a little skill and more hands on work, may I suggest two games for you, one is called Jumpgate by Netdevil, which is slowly dying but does require some skill to play (Much like counter strike) The other, is playing with yourself, you know, learn how to master changing hands without missing a beat, but please dont beat up this game.
I too was burnt out and had the sh!ts with this game, I dream of support gear to help the PvPers and stuff like that, but there are other things I hadnt done until I realised after I left I should try again. Maybe all you need is a break, spin another game. Heck I would recommend doing the Dark and Light beta as I know its a good run. Just chill....
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Came back cause I love you guys :P |
Ariell Lucinwind
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Posted - 2004.07.05 11:55:00 -
[152]
If you need something with a little skill and more hands on work, may I suggest two games for you, one is called Jumpgate by Netdevil, which is slowly dying but does require some skill to play (Much like counter strike) The other, is playing with yourself, you know, learn how to master changing hands without missing a beat, but please dont beat up this game.
I too was burnt out and had the sh!ts with this game, I dream of support gear to help the PvPers and stuff like that, but there are other things I hadnt done until I realised after I left I should try again. Maybe all you need is a break, spin another game. Heck I would recommend doing the Dark and Light beta as I know its a good run. Just chill....
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Came back cause I love you guys :P |
Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.05 12:19:00 -
[153]
hey welcome back, nice to see
Unfortunately bad timing we have quite some problems with servers atm.
And yes a break is alwys good , i took 2 of those till now .Eve has a weird addictive/sucking ability wich makes your experience after a while shallow.
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.05 12:19:00 -
[154]
hey welcome back, nice to see
Unfortunately bad timing we have quite some problems with servers atm.
And yes a break is alwys good , i took 2 of those till now .Eve has a weird addictive/sucking ability wich makes your experience after a while shallow.
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
FoRGyL
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Posted - 2004.07.05 12:23:00 -
[155]
Lock this and let the poor bastard quit!!
-out-
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Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff
PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!! |
FoRGyL
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Posted - 2004.07.05 12:23:00 -
[156]
Lock this and let the poor bastard quit!!
-out-
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Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff
PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!! |
Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.05 12:36:00 -
[157]
Originally by: FoRGyL
Lock this and let the poor bastard quit!!
-out-
I have a few days left on my account yet.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.07.05 12:36:00 -
[158]
Originally by: FoRGyL
Lock this and let the poor bastard quit!!
-out-
I have a few days left on my account yet.
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Takrolimus
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Posted - 2004.07.05 12:59:00 -
[159]
Can't believe this retarded thread has gotten this long.
Don't feed the trolls...
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Takrolimus
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Posted - 2004.07.05 12:59:00 -
[160]
Can't believe this retarded thread has gotten this long.
Don't feed the trolls...
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Tarlok
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Posted - 2004.07.05 15:21:00 -
[161]
I guess some people just miss the warm fuzzy feeling of the letters
GAME OVER - YOU WON!
on their screen.
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Tarlok
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Posted - 2004.07.05 15:21:00 -
[162]
I guess some people just miss the warm fuzzy feeling of the letters
GAME OVER - YOU WON!
on their screen.
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VinkNut
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Posted - 2004.07.06 15:42:00 -
[163]
You clearly have no idea how PVP works (not just one vs one, but putting fleets of ships against each other).
There's be utterly NO WAY of you actually controlling your ship's 8 weapon systems manually - although you can try... Or rather, how would you implement an 8-way manual targetting system? Exactly, it's be just like Elite or Freelancer, you'd be forced to deal with one ship and one maybe two weapon systems at a time.
PVP is so far beyond loadout vs loadout that I really don't think you've even attempted to investigate it.
Oh well - it's your loss really - and I'm sure the lag situation will be improved with one less player.
:)
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VinkNut
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Posted - 2004.07.06 15:42:00 -
[164]
You clearly have no idea how PVP works (not just one vs one, but putting fleets of ships against each other).
There's be utterly NO WAY of you actually controlling your ship's 8 weapon systems manually - although you can try... Or rather, how would you implement an 8-way manual targetting system? Exactly, it's be just like Elite or Freelancer, you'd be forced to deal with one ship and one maybe two weapon systems at a time.
PVP is so far beyond loadout vs loadout that I really don't think you've even attempted to investigate it.
Oh well - it's your loss really - and I'm sure the lag situation will be improved with one less player.
:)
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mavskji
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Posted - 2004.07.06 16:16:00 -
[165]
Eve is limited only by the players imagination. I have been playing this game for about a year (minus a few months off busy with work) and I feel like a havent even started yet. I dont't have a BS and I only have about 4 mil skill points. I have flown almost every frigate, cruiser and a few indies too. There so much to see in this game, I spend most of my time floating around not doing much and helping people out when I get the chance. I am also in a nice corp but havent really been involved much yet which I hope to change in teh future.
The only thing you have said that I can agree with is your point about trading, we need a nice trading system, at the moment it sucks.
Maybe Eve just isnt the game for you ?
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mavskji
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Posted - 2004.07.06 16:16:00 -
[166]
Eve is limited only by the players imagination. I have been playing this game for about a year (minus a few months off busy with work) and I feel like a havent even started yet. I dont't have a BS and I only have about 4 mil skill points. I have flown almost every frigate, cruiser and a few indies too. There so much to see in this game, I spend most of my time floating around not doing much and helping people out when I get the chance. I am also in a nice corp but havent really been involved much yet which I hope to change in teh future.
The only thing you have said that I can agree with is your point about trading, we need a nice trading system, at the moment it sucks.
Maybe Eve just isnt the game for you ?
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.07.07 13:36:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Shocky
Originally by: Kallos
I disagree. If your in a corp, then you can place effort into getting your corp strong, donating stuff, manufacturing stuff, and helping newer members. I find this itself a far better goal than trying to just get better stuff for myself.
But theres no fun factor in doing this? I don't play games to make pretend money for my pretend corp. I want to have some fun when I play.
Go playing some egoshooter until SHIVA is here. The only "fun" one can get is generated by oneself. Noone here, neither player nor producer, will just "entertain" you. With one exception: Ever tried "events"?
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.07.07 13:36:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Shocky
Originally by: Kallos
I disagree. If your in a corp, then you can place effort into getting your corp strong, donating stuff, manufacturing stuff, and helping newer members. I find this itself a far better goal than trying to just get better stuff for myself.
But theres no fun factor in doing this? I don't play games to make pretend money for my pretend corp. I want to have some fun when I play.
Go playing some egoshooter until SHIVA is here. The only "fun" one can get is generated by oneself. Noone here, neither player nor producer, will just "entertain" you. With one exception: Ever tried "events"?
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Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die.
MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner |
Speknek
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Posted - 2004.07.07 13:48:00 -
[169]
pretend this, pretend that....
shocky why do you play games?
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Speknek
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Posted - 2004.07.07 13:48:00 -
[170]
pretend this, pretend that....
shocky why do you play games?
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Lizardo
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Posted - 2004.07.07 14:07:00 -
[171]
my point of view, for what it is worth;
Eve has a pretty steep learning curve. I have pretty much been on the bottom part of the curve and will continue there no doubt for quite some time.
On the other hand, I have been allowed to associate with a player who is perhaps one of the people who are masters of the game, and see what is possible.
That's a worthwhile goal.....enough to keep me playing in spite of the things i do not like.
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Lizardo
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Posted - 2004.07.07 14:07:00 -
[172]
my point of view, for what it is worth;
Eve has a pretty steep learning curve. I have pretty much been on the bottom part of the curve and will continue there no doubt for quite some time.
On the other hand, I have been allowed to associate with a player who is perhaps one of the people who are masters of the game, and see what is possible.
That's a worthwhile goal.....enough to keep me playing in spite of the things i do not like.
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Cortex Reaver
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Posted - 2004.07.07 14:35:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Shocky
As title says there is nothing left in the game for me to do, I've done missions, mined in 0.0 space, chained BS's when it was allowed and killed countless NPC's. I have 3mil skillpoints and can't think of a single reason to conintue playing eve. pvp just does not interest me at all, mining is just boring and missions seem a complete waste of time oh and trading doesnt really seem possible or at least requires to much effort to find good routes.
At the start you have a reason to continue, save for a better ship, better equipment but when you have the isk to buy many bs's and insure them where do you go from there if your not interested in pvp combat? Game is just so empty it seems.
"Don't let the door knob hit ya where the Good Lord split ya."
-CR
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Cortex Reaver
crtxreavr at trioptimum dot com
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759
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Cortex Reaver
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Posted - 2004.07.07 14:35:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Shocky
As title says there is nothing left in the game for me to do, I've done missions, mined in 0.0 space, chained BS's when it was allowed and killed countless NPC's. I have 3mil skillpoints and can't think of a single reason to conintue playing eve. pvp just does not interest me at all, mining is just boring and missions seem a complete waste of time oh and trading doesnt really seem possible or at least requires to much effort to find good routes.
At the start you have a reason to continue, save for a better ship, better equipment but when you have the isk to buy many bs's and insure them where do you go from there if your not interested in pvp combat? Game is just so empty it seems.
"Don't let the door knob hit ya where the Good Lord split ya."
-CR
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Xionspy
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Posted - 2004.07.08 14:04:00 -
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Have more fun in another game,
I just hope its not the same game i play in.
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Xionspy
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Posted - 2004.07.08 14:04:00 -
[176]
Have more fun in another game,
I just hope its not the same game i play in.
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