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Galligher
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Posted - 2008.11.12 05:04:00 -
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Edited by: Galligher on 12/11/2008 05:05:11
Premise:
Citadel Heavy Industries will purchase a full Capital Component and Carrier BPO set. Our first month will be dedicated to the research of components, to maximize profits split over a 12 month time frame. Once the set is researched, production will begin.
Maximum effort will be spent to secure advanced orders of ships prior to production. Initial probes in the market have already returned interest and want of advanced orders.
In the absence of a ship order, a BPC set will be made and sold on the contract market.
Our corporation also reserves the right to build and purchase ships at a value equal to a 5% dividend to share holders to secure the monthly dividend.
Duration:
This IPO is scheduled to run for 12 months.
IPO full rating period will start on Dec 1. All investments will be prorated from date of receipt and prorated amount will be issued with the first dividend.
At the end of the 12 month period, all shares will be bought back by the corporation at 112% of issued value and an offer to expand publicly will be evaluated at that time.
Shares Information:
Total Shares: 200
Share Cost: 100 million
25% of shares are reserved and purchased by the corporation.
Total Isk Requested: 15 billion
Corp History:
We have been involved in moon mining and reactions for quite some time. After securing profits and expanding our POS operations, we moved on to T2 invention and construction. Once imbedded in this market making a profit, we have begun to look towards the horizon to bigger things. This has lead us into Cap Ship Production. We are looking to open the IPO to compliment our corp isk, and be able to expand into Cap Ship Production without disrupting our current operations.
We have determined that 5bil can be set aside to invest in this on our behalf, securing the first 25% of the shares.
Estimated return:
Minimum Secured: 5% monthly
Maximum: n/a
There is a minimum return set at 5% to all share holders. There is no maximum threshold set. Personal profits (to the corporation) will be issued in the form of shares reserved for the corporation.
Pay Out:
Dividends will be issued out the 1st of every month.
Shares will increase in value 1% every month.
Buy Out:
Buy Outs will be available monthly at the beginning of every cycle. Shares will be bought out at 2% higher than current share worth.
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Galligher
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Posted - 2008.11.12 05:04:00 -
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Edited by: Galligher on 12/11/2008 05:05:32
Risk Assessment: Low
Risks Include:
-Gank in BPO Transport from purchase station to home station.
Mitigations include advanced scouting, and a covert ops cloak fitted ship.
-Drop in Capital Ship value.
Due to the past market history, stability in this has not been an issue and trends are projected to continue on the same route. BPO's can be on standby for liquidation if profit margin becomes unacceptable to share holders, and a significant drop in profit margins will result in a corporation vote for the shareholders to sell or not to sell BPO's.
-War Declaration.
No assets other than control towers will be held in space. All assets will be held in NPC stations and isolated from harm. Utmost security will be issued when transporting minerals, utilizing advanced scouts and other security methods.
-Corp Theft.
BPO's will be locked down preventing anyone from being able to steal corp assets.
-Hit by bus.
Other than not going outside, mitigations will include looking both ways before crossing the street, and only crossing at designated cross walks.
Audit:
We are more than willing to provide a full API audit to a trusted member of the Eve trading community.
Corporation Assets:
+Multiple Control Towers
+Obelisk Freighter
Exit Strategy:
Liquidate BPO's and remaining build assets (minerals, pos's, etc). Further corp assets may be liquidated in order to maintain the integrity of the IPO. Upon liquidation, all shares will be purchased at current share value plus 2.5%.
In the event of a total collapse, a vote will be opened to unlock BPO's and all assets will be liquidated and any remaining profits will be shared among investors.
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Galligher
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Posted - 2008.11.12 05:05:00 -
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reserved
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Chu Ran
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:46:00 -
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A few questions:
1) If share prices increases 1% every month as you stated, the share worth will be greater than 112% of issue value at the end of the 12 months (due to compound growth).
2) If Buyouts is available at the beginning of every month and will be 2% higher than share worth, an investor would get more isk by selling it at the beginning of the 12th month (11%+2%) rather than wait until the end of the IPO (12%). Also, the compound growth problem applies here as well.
3) Is that 5% monthly dividend based on the each month's most current share price?
4) What is your price/cost/profit projections on how you plan on achieving your growth rate/dividend payout.
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Xabier
THE SORORITY
CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:16:00 -
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Edited by: Xabier on 12/11/2008 07:21:18
I'ld be prepared to do the audit.
War Decs btw will also cause you problems moving the freighter, you also didnt list the risks associated with jumping the freighter into low sec for ship construction, building 8 carriers a much (assuming you build 2 from each bpo) would require 8 trips back and forth into low sec with minerals, or 16 if your building parts from a component assembly array which is unclear.
Xabiers Capital Bond #1
Xabiers Capital Bond #2
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:43:00 -
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Edited by: Galligher on 12/11/2008 07:47:20
 Originally by: Chu Ran
A few questions:
1) If share prices increases 1% every month as you stated, the share worth will be greater than 112% of issue value at the end of the 12 months (due to compound growth).
This interest will be not compounding to keep things simple.
Originally by: Chu Ran
2) If Buyouts is available at the beginning of every month and will be 2% higher than share worth, an investor would get more isk by selling it at the beginning of the 12th month (11%+2%) rather than wait until the end of the IPO (12%). Also, the compound growth problem applies here as well.
In this case you would not get the 5% minimum return for the 12th month.
Originally by: Chu Ran
3) Is that 5% monthly dividend based on the each month's most current share price?
The 5% monthly dividend is based on initial investment.
Originally by: Chu Ran
4) What is your price/cost/profit projections on how you plan on achieving your growth rate/dividend payout.
We expect to produce approximately 8 carriers/month and will look for a profit margin of around 120mil/carrier (~18%) and are satisfied this will cover all projected growth and cover all dividend payout as stated above.
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Xabier
THE SORORITY
CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: Xabier on 12/11/2008 07:50:33
Why did you initially post 13 a month then edit it to 8?
Kinda gave me a bad feeling.
Xabiers Capital Bond #1
Xabiers Capital Bond #2
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Xabier
Edited by: Xabier on 12/11/2008 07:21:18
I'ld be prepared to do the audit.
Will get into contact with you concerning this.
Originally by: Xabier
War Decs btw will also cause you problems moving the freighter, you also didnt list the risks associated with jumping the freighter into low sec for ship construction, building 8 carriers a much (assuming you build 2 from each bpo) would require 8 trips back and forth into low sec with minerals, or 16 if your building parts from a component assembly array which is unclear.
War Decs will indeed cause a problem moving the freighter but upon such a war dec, only the utmost security(scouting/escort) will be used to move the freighter. Components will be built inside a station and the ships will be manufactured in a X-Large Ship Assembly Array. I apologize for not making this clear in the original post.
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Xabier
THE SORORITY
CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: Xabier on 12/11/2008 07:54:29
So your also going to have a low sec pos that is potentially at risk with between 1b to 4bn in total assets in it (at cost).
Given that pos busting corps have a pretty good idea what is being built in those arrays, not to mention a search on the forums will throw this thread up then how will you deal with POS ransoms?
Perhaps it might be an idea to construct from a npc station?
Xabiers Capital Bond #1
Xabiers Capital Bond #2
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Xabier
Edited by: Xabier on 12/11/2008 07:50:33
Why did you initially post 13 a month then edit it to 8?
Kinda gave me a bad feeling.
13 could be built a month and I believe it could be done. But since 8 is enough to satisfy profit margins, and 13 would mean maximum efficiency which would be difficult to maintain, I thought 8 would be a more realistic number. Also, this is they number you used in your post above.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:14:00 -
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Unless your inside an alliance with alliance protection, building anything capital from a POS is just asking for a war dec.
I build capitals on contract as well. I am not in an alliance. Ergo I build at an NPC station and negotiate gate fees for mineral moving. |
Xabier
THE SORORITY
CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Xabier on 12/11/2008 14:32:22
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Unless your inside an alliance with alliance protection, building anything capital from a POS is just asking for a war dec.
I build capitals on contract as well. I am not in an alliance. Ergo I build at an NPC station and negotiate gate fees for mineral moving.
Same here.
Xabiers Capital Bond #1
Xabiers Capital Bond #2
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Xabier
Edited by: Xabier on 12/11/2008 14:32:22
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Unless your inside an alliance with alliance protection, building anything capital from a POS is just asking for a war dec.
I build capitals on contract as well. I am not in an alliance. Ergo I build at an NPC station and negotiate gate fees for mineral moving.
Same here.
Building in a station is something which I didn't really consider but have no problem doing. Projected growth can still be met and profit margins maintained. This would also require less startup capital and that means more ISK invested in minerals straight off. There are always many available build slots in the stations I work out of so this would not be a problem either.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:01:00 -
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I have one issue with your business plan, and I quote:
RISK ASSESSMENT = LOW
Were you the risk assessor at Chenobyl in the 80's?
I am sorry but a low sec operation have to be: HIGH RISK.
You are fairly unknown and have asked for a HUGE amount of ISK. Nearly all low sec business's that have been launched have failed.
You have now flagged yourself to major grief corps. Kirjiva(?) had this problem running POS's and investors lost most cash.
Why would you be any different. 5% for a low sec operation is pitifully low for the risk factor, unfortunately the profits on cap production aren't that great so you can't go much higher.
Too risky.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
Why would you be any different. 5% for a low sec operation is pitifully low for the risk factor, unfortunately the profits on cap production aren't that great so you can't go much higher.
Too risky.
And I have to agree with Cosmo here. Given the market you want to get into, achieving higher than 5% should be a cake walk.
Take a look at Xabier's bond for instance. (the current gold standard for a capital expansion IMHO)
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.12 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
And I have to agree with Cosmo here. Given the market you want to get into, achieving higher than 5% should be a cake walk.
Take a look at Xabier's bond for instance. (the current gold standard for a capital expansion IMHO)
I expect 5% to be a cakewalk, which is why I have it set as the minimum secured dividend. This is set as the minimum for exactly that reason, it is the minimum. If profits margins are larger than the dividend will be larger than 5%. Also, you share value will increase by 1% non-compounding per month. This means at the end of the 12 months when shares are bought back at 112%, you will see a 72% return on your investment which means a minimum of 6% per month.
As stated above, these margins can be maintained working below maximum efficiency. I chose a 5% minimum secured so that incase there is a below average month or a increase in the cost of minerals or other unforeseen events increasing costs, profit margins outlined above can still be maintained.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.12 20:23:00 -
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72%? Wow, that's unheard of! Sign me up :)
No, not really. I never heard of 72% return on investment, then again, I never read any investment report other than what I invest in.
I'll be the first to bite and reserve 5 shares and possibly more pending audit result.
10% for Returning Customers |
Gin Moon
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Posted - 2008.11.13 06:48:00 -
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It's not much, but I'd like to reserve 1 share, wish I had more :(
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Madam Squishy
Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:17:00 -
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1b Sent. 10 shares.
Good guy, Good people are the best investments.
YYRU YYUB ICUR YY4ME |
Braendig
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Posted - 2008.11.15 01:39:00 -
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Folks, I can say from personal experience that Galligher is an upstanding guy. He worked for my corporation for a period of time and during that period was honest, forthcoming about his private ventures, and deffinately did not hesitate to call me out on my own mistakes (which I have made a few) I know you dont know me from Adam, but I thought it couldnt hurt to give a bit of my personal support. I think he has done his homework on this one, and I have already agreed to provide some investment myself.
As always, there is no guarantee of success, however, the chances are greatly increased when you have an individual that is dedicated, honorable, and honest.
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.11.15 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Braendig
Folks, I can say from personal experience that Galligher is an upstanding guy. He worked for my corporation for a period of time and during that period was honest, forthcoming about his private ventures, and deffinately did not hesitate to call me out on my own mistakes (which I have made a few) I know you dont know me from Adam, but I thought it couldnt hurt to give a bit of my personal support. I think he has done his homework on this one, and I have already agreed to provide some investment myself.
As always, there is no guarantee of success, however, the chances are greatly increased when you have an individual that is dedicated, honorable, and honest.
He could be a great guy,
but the way he talks about low sec POS makes me and others question what he thinks he is going to do when the first group of dreads come and wipe him out.
PS show your corp tag when talking about your corp. |
Cheopis
One Stop Mining Shop
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Posted - 2008.11.15 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Galligher
Originally by: Xabier
Edited by: Xabier on 12/11/2008 14:32:22
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Unless your inside an alliance with alliance protection, building anything capital from a POS is just asking for a war dec.
I build capitals on contract as well. I am not in an alliance. Ergo I build at an NPC station and negotiate gate fees for mineral moving.
Same here.
Building in a station is something which I didn't really consider but have no problem doing. Projected growth can still be met and profit margins maintained. This would also require less startup capital and that means more ISK invested in minerals straight off. There are always many available build slots in the stations I work out of so this would not be a problem either.
Well, if you are looking for unused manufacturing facilities near a hub, I would like to draw your attention to Dakba. .7 sec and 5 highsec jumps from Amarr. It's at the end of a two system stub, one way in, one way out. Maximum popluation ever seen in the system by me: 4 There are 100 manufacturing slots in the system, I've never seen anyone but me use them in the two weeks I worked out of there.
I'm moving out, as I got a good job offer elsewhere 
Figure someone might make use of that wasted space, since I'm not. I do not know if there is lowsec close enough to jump to with a JF or Black Ops |
Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.15 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bloody Rabbit
He could be a great guy,
but the way he talks about low sec POS makes me and others question what he thinks he is going to do when the first group of dreads come and wipe him out.
PS show your corp tag when talking about your corp.
If you will read the updated business plan carefully, you will see we have modified it a bit to show I now plan to build completely out of a NPC station, so there will never be any risk of my POSs being ransomed or destroyed. This results in an overall much safer business plan and I hope this will ease some investors concerns about the potential risks of my IPO.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.11.16 21:30:00 -
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I've look over Galligher's API records. His corp is running reactions in low sec across two towers. He has also done a moderate amount of invention over the last few months, not focusing on any one product to any great extent. There is currently approximately 5bn isk in the corp wallet, and one of his alts in the corp possesses a freighter. This is all consistent with the original post.
I don't feel I have enough information to make a judgement on the trustworthiness of this person, but he seems experienced, competent and enthusiastic enough to make this enterprise work. As I currently have many other investments that do not involve the same level of risk (i.e. through exposure to low sec space), I will not be investing, but doubtless other people will be interested.
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Can't afford that BPO? Look here.
20:1 mineral compression
The EVE f@h team |
Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.18 01:14:00 -
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Still looking for investors.
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.20 03:45:00 -
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Still looking for investors
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Amon Rhar
InterGalatica Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.20 06:08:00 -
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100m send to 1 share |
Zak Zakk
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Posted - 2008.11.22 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: Zak Zakk on 22/11/2008 11:05:23
I'll reserve 3 shares.
Give me a yell when u need me to send the Isk over.
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Cheopis
One Stop Mining Shop
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Posted - 2008.11.22 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Cheopis on 22/11/2008 13:30:34
I don't understand, Galligher, I thought you could build a Dominix from an old boot, three tin cans, two chewed pieces of gum and a "D" cell battery.
Heck, with a little of that Minmatar Heritage scrap metal, WD-40, and duct tape, you should be able to make Nyxes
You should be able to manufacture with such a huge profit rating that startup capital should be easy to come by.
Sorry couldn't resist the name association!
**EDIT**
Sigh, that was McGuyver, Ghallagher was the guy that smashed watermelons with sledge hammers in front of his audience, right?
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Piccie
Gallente
Yorkshire Trading and Holding Company
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Posted - 2008.11.22 17:22:00 -
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i'll take 3 shares (300 mill)
message me ig when you want cash sending.
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.22 21:20:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Piccie
message me ig when you want cash sending.
ISK is due by December 1 to recieve shares reserved. All invests prior to December 1 will be prorated for that date.
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Zak Zakk
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Posted - 2008.11.23 03:31:00 -
[32]
300mil sent
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Piccie
Gallente
Yorkshire Trading and Holding Company
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Posted - 2008.11.23 10:45:00 -
[33]
300m sent
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.23 23:42:00 -
[34]
Still looking for investors.
Would just like to point out and make sure everyone knows that corporation profit is coming purely from dividends, no profits will be kept directly by the corporation, therefore you should see much larger than the minimum secured return.
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Amalia Archer
Amarr
Caldari Interstellar Industrial Corps
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Posted - 2008.11.24 05:58:00 -
[35]
reserving 10 shares on behalf of my corporation
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Bert Harringford
The Beer Barons
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Posted - 2008.11.24 06:18:00 -
[36]
I'll take 10 shares, 1 bill isk sent to Citadel Heavy Industries
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Wishdokkta CEO
Tilt Station
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Posted - 2008.11.24 11:32:00 -
[37]
I will take 2 for 200mill.
Sending iskies now.
Ta
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Amon Rhar
InterGalatica Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.25 00:45:00 -
[38]
Some investors have already sent the isks would like to know if it is to send just now or in December 1?
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.25 01:16:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Amon Rhar
Some investors have already sent the isks would like to know if it is to send just now or in December 1?
ISK is due on Dec 1, but all investments recieved prior to December 1 will be prorated.
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.25 21:49:00 -
[40]
Still looking for investors.
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Lansoc Kopec
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Posted - 2008.11.26 01:10:00 -
[41]
100Mil for 1 Share sent |
Amon Rhar
InterGalatica Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.26 06:34:00 -
[42]
I want more 1 share
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Amir Baki
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Posted - 2008.11.26 14:03:00 -
[43]
ill take 2 shares, sending isk now
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Etara Silverblade
Minmatar
Dragon and Phoenix
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Posted - 2008.11.26 14:43:00 -
[44]
I sent a message in game and sent isk but have not received the shares.
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It's all fun and games ... |
Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.26 19:10:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Galligher on 26/11/2008 19:11:38
Originally by: Etara Silverblade
I sent a message in game and sent isk but have not received the shares.
All shares will be distributed on Decemeber 1 as I told you in the message I sent to you prior to you sending ISK. This is to make things easier for me.
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Quazal Atreides
Gallente
Punch and Pie Supply
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Posted - 2008.11.26 21:40:00 -
[46]
ill take 2 ;).. convo or evemail me where and how u would likethe isk
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Amon Rhar
InterGalatica Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.27 04:25:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Amon Rhar
I want more 1 share
Could confirm that my reservation was accepted?
My name in the list of investors continues with 1 share
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.27 19:10:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Amon Rhar
Could confirm that my reservation was accepted?
My name in the list of investors continues with 1 share
Confirmed and updated.
Originally by: Quazal Atreides
ill take 2 ;).. convo or evemail me where and how u would likethe isk
*edit have logged for night (uk based) and given extended DT & uni for me tomorrow, i will be on at approx 18.00 server permitting ~So if you could evemail who/where i need to send iskies to I will do it when i get back on tomorrow night :)
I am at my parents house for Thanksgiving until Sunday. I have no Eve access and will have sporadic forum access. ISK can be sent to Galligher or to my corporation with a note as to what its for and post here for confirmation, list of investors post will be updated as often as possible.
Thanks
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Quazal Atreides
Gallente
Punch and Pie Supply
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Posted - 2008.11.27 19:22:00 -
[49]
thanks for letting us know, will send iskies over later this evening..
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Amon Rhar
InterGalatica Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.27 20:30:00 -
[50]
Galligher you are confused, I do not want to 3 shares, but 2 shares.
You launched twice my name on the list the first time reserving 1 share in the second reserving 2 shares.
I have already submitted the ISK of 2 shares for you.
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Quazal Atreides
Gallente
Punch and Pie Supply
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Posted - 2008.11.27 22:03:00 -
[51]
200mill sent
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.27 22:26:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Amon Rhar
Galligher you are confused, I do not want to 3 shares, but 2 shares.
You launched twice my name on the list the first time reserving 1 share in the second reserving 2 shares.
I have already submitted the ISK of 2 shares for you.
Fixed, sorry about that.
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Oron
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Posted - 2008.11.28 01:47:00 -
[53]
I want to purchase 10 shares. Payment follows as soon as I got the money from my ebank account (wich should be later today).
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Zak Zakk
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Posted - 2008.11.28 01:52:00 -
[54]
Ill grab another 2 shares please-will send the isk over when i get home from work.
(Will give a total of 500mil)
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.29 03:04:00 -
[55]
Still looking for investors.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.11.29 04:37:00 -
[56]
Cosmo investing rule #16:
Don't invest in IPO's/bonds that can't raise the capital in 17 days!
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Lansoc Kopec
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.11.29 05:48:00 -
[57]
General gaming rule #1 - It's a game. EVE is a game of risk taking and if you don't want to take risks with your imaginary currency go play WOW.
Opps. I spoke without an audit report.. the market discussions forum police are gonna come get me.
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Serlain Xabia
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Posted - 2008.11.29 06:32:00 -
[58]
1 share 100 mill sent soon
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Oron
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Posted - 2008.11.29 08:14:00 -
[59]
Oron punk rule #85:
Don't trash talk in a sales tread cause this make you look jealous. Punks may be drunken fools but they ar'nt jealous.
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Randy Hundley
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Posted - 2008.11.29 08:41:00 -
[60]
purchasing 5 shares, sending isk in game.
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geomatica
Infusion.
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Posted - 2008.11.29 12:09:00 -
[61]
I'm interested in this. Reserve 3 shares for me atm, will contact you in gmae once I'm online again (at work now) toset final (may buy 5)
Sig Coming Soon(TM)
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HammerBlow
Caldari
The Illustrious Typo Society
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Posted - 2008.11.29 15:19:00 -
[62]
I'll take 3 shares (300m)
Please message me ig when you want cash sending
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Raque Servalan
Independent Operations
Amen Anera
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Posted - 2008.11.29 18:03:00 -
[63]
I'll take 2 please
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Amarr Citizen 155
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.11.29 18:27:00 -
[64]
Amarr's rule #1:
I'm better than all of you with your clever responses.
Quote:
Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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Catherine LeBatas
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:03:00 -
[65]
I'll take 3 for 300Mil as well.
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Tokas III
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:51:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Tokas III on 29/11/2008 20:51:38
Invite me to conversation in game when you want the isks. I'll take 1 share 100 millions.
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Robot Slave
Dynamic Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.29 22:08:00 -
[67]
I'll take 1 share for 100 mil.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.30 03:43:00 -
[68]
I have to apologize for not sending my isk yet, would you be willing to wait a few more days for that?
10% for Returning Customers |
Scojo27
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Posted - 2008.12.01 00:30:00 -
[69]
i would like 1 100m share if they are still available
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.01 03:34:00 -
[70]
Since not all of the ISK required has been secured, shares will still be available through this month. Shares purchased so far will be distributed once I am back at school and able to get online. A portion of the BPOs will be purchased with the ISK on hand and more BPOs will be purchased as ISK is recieved.
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente
aurorae pacificas
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Posted - 2008.12.01 04:39:00 -
[71]
Edited by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik on 01/12/2008 04:39:59
wooops sorry wrong thread lol.
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Dagda Morr
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Posted - 2008.12.01 10:41:00 -
[72]
I'll take a share at 100M - ISKies to be sent tonight when I get in from work.
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Etara Silverblade
Minmatar
Dragon and Phoenix
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Posted - 2008.12.01 18:45:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Galligher
Edited by: Galligher on 26/11/2008 19:11:38
Originally by: Etara Silverblade
I sent a message in game and sent isk but have not received the shares.
All shares will be distributed on Decemeber 1 as I told you in the message I sent to you prior to you sending ISK. This is to make things easier for me.
Sorry, I did miss that but I did notice that I am not on your list of investors and I wouldn't want to be missed. I sent isk for 2 shares (200 mil)
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It's all fun and games ... |
Randy Hundley
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Posted - 2008.12.02 01:28:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Etara Silverblade
Originally by: Galligher
Edited by: Galligher on 26/11/2008 19:11:38
Originally by: Etara Silverblade
I sent a message in game and sent isk but have not received the shares.
All shares will be distributed on Decemeber 1 as I told you in the message I sent to you prior to you sending ISK. This is to make things easier for me.
Sorry, I did miss that but I did notice that I am not on your list of investors and I wouldn't want to be missed. I sent isk for 2 shares (200 mil)
i second that, sent isk for 5 shares (500mil) this weekend. please confirm receipt and shares. thanks
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Jager Plessis
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Posted - 2008.12.02 08:47:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Jager Plessis on 02/12/2008 08:49:45
i'll take 5 shares (500mill isk).
Will message you ingame
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Miyuki Suzumiya
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Posted - 2008.12.02 09:54:00 -
[76]
I will take 20 shares, 2 Bill isk sent to Citadel Heavy Industries.
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Greta T'kunnar
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Posted - 2008.12.02 17:06:00 -
[77]
I'll take 1 share. Message me ingame.
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Kw1jybo
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Posted - 2008.12.02 17:26:00 -
[78]
i'll take 1 share (100m), msg me in game.
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.02 18:24:00 -
[79]
Shares have been distributed. BPOs are continuing to be purchased and put into research. Still looking for investors.
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Amir Baki
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Posted - 2008.12.02 18:30:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Amir Baki
ill take 2 shares, sending isk now
I still havent received my shares nor am I on the list in the second post
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.02 18:47:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Amir Baki
Originally by: Amir Baki
ill take 2 shares, sending isk now
I still havent received my shares nor am I on the list in the second post
Sorry about that, shares sent and post updated.
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Drall Warsong
Shizt
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Posted - 2008.12.02 18:52:00 -
[82]
I'll bite, and reserve 1 share. Money will be transfered later tonight.
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Cheesy Feet
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.12.02 20:24:00 -
[83]
I'm in for 1 share = 100 mill. Please message me in game when you are ready to receive the moola.
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Simon Mance
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Posted - 2008.12.03 08:45:00 -
[84]
ISK sent for 1 share.
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.03 20:24:00 -
[85]
All shares have been sent to investors. Still looking for more.
Originally by: Drall Warsong
I'll bite, and reserve 1 share. Money will be transfered later tonight.
Have not recieved ISK, when I do I will transfer shares.
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Drall Warsong
Shizt
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Posted - 2008.12.03 20:39:00 -
[86]
My apologizes, will transfer the isk once I get home from work in about 3-4 hours.
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Drall Warsong
Shizt
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Posted - 2008.12.03 23:54:00 -
[87]
Isk Sent
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.05 04:19:00 -
[88]
Still looking for investors, many BPOs purchased and in/waiting to go into research. Looking for 3.5bil to get this IPO going full speed ahead.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.05 05:28:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Galligher
Still looking for investors, many BPOs purchased and in/waiting to go into research. Looking for 3.5bil to get this IPO going full speed ahead.
You willing to get an audit done to show that you have bought those BPO's. Maybe then I will buy out rest of the stock. Also you will need to shows skills that you can use them.
The audit will have to show BPO purchases before 05.26 on december 5th though.
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Xaviar Onassis
Iyen-Oursta Salvage
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Posted - 2008.12.05 13:03:00 -
[90]
I'd like to reserve 5 shares pending the audit that cosmo's asked for, too.
Thanks
Xav
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Drall Warsong
Shizt
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Posted - 2008.12.05 20:02:00 -
[91]
Seems that if Cosmo gets the audit he is asking for , then there will not be any shares for you to buy!
Just a FYI
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.05 20:24:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Drall Warsong
Seems that if Cosmo gets the audit he is asking for , then there will not be any shares for you to buy!
Just a FYI
I will let him take his share if the audit is forthcoming
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.08 09:21:00 -
[93]
As of 12:00 December 10 all remaining shares will be purchased by the corporation. We have a bit more ISK than we did when the original post was made and are confident we can invest the rest of the capital needed without disrupting our current operations. This leaves just over 50 hours for anyone who would like to purchase any remaining shares before the the corporation does so.
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Zeimanov Kalzumaan
Caldari
Haruspex Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.08 10:36:00 -
[94]
That seems something of a knee-jerk reaction to the request of an audit - surely you wouldn't object to an audit if
a) you can use the additional funds offered by cosmoray
b) you have nothing to hide
I'm sure this would make existing shareholders happy and encourage the few remaining people who have yet to decide to invest |
Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.08 11:06:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Zeimanov Kalzumaan
That seems something of a knee-jerk reaction to the request of an audit - surely you wouldn't object to an audit if
a) you can use the additional funds offered by cosmoray
b) you have nothing to hide
I'm sure this would make existing shareholders happy and encourage the few remaining people who have yet to decide to invest
Unfortunately, audits take time, and time is something I don't have. Component BPOs are coming out of research and new BPOs need to go in, ISK is needed to purchase these BPOs in order for the business plan to go on as planned. I would like to get this up and running to allow for the largest possible first dividend for the investors, and the more time it take to get going, the less profit for investors.
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Zeimanov Kalzumaan
Caldari
Haruspex Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.08 11:50:00 -
[96]
That makes perfect sense of course - looking back over the thread you've already had an audit so perhaps there's no reason for that - but a brief inspection with full API key couldn't hurt could it?
You must admit it looks a little suspicious - as soon as you are asked for an audit you close down the offering stating "I don't need that Isk anyhow"
I'm sure everything is above baord, but given the number of scams recently you can imagine how it looks! :) |
Xaviar Onassis
Iyen-Oursta Salvage
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Posted - 2008.12.08 13:06:00 -
[97]
If you've got the time, evemail me the api keys and I'll push them into EveMEEP and do the audit myself.
If you've not got the time, or this isn't acceptable, do nothing and I'll spend the money elsewhere.
No hard feelings either way.
Xav
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.08 18:33:00 -
[98]
An audit to see if you purchased BPO's before a certain date takes about 15 minutes.
I didn't trust this offering in the beginning, and now I trust you even less. As soon I post a question you effectively pull the launch. Now I really do smell SCAM!
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Rho'varo
Minmatar
Diversified Operational Services
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Posted - 2008.12.08 19:22:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Galligher
Unfortunately, audits take time, and time is something I don't have. Component BPOs are coming out of research and new BPOs need to go in, ISK is needed to purchase these BPOs in order for the business plan to go on as planned.
Acceding to cosmoray's request would have taken you roughly the same amount of time as making this reply, so unfortunately this does look like you want avoid further auditing.
Auditing
Auditing is something that an ideal securities offering would do: - before launch, before gathering ISK (to substantiate elements of the prospectus),
- on an ongoing basis (e.g., every three months, to substantiate continued operations), and
- at the conclusion of the enterprise (to confirm the success or even failure of the venture, giving the issuer firm ground on which to build any subsequent public offering).
This offering
All this auditing might be a bit much for a tiny offering (which might get by without the ongoing auditing), but here we are talking about 15 billion ISK, surely enough to merit this level of scrutiny.
While Kazuo Ishiguro did do an audit, you can see cosmoray's request as a chance to improve upon that "start of enterprise" report, now that there is more information available to be audited.
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Askkar
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Posted - 2008.12.08 20:03:00 -
[100]
I'll reserve 1 share. Message me when you want the ISK sent.
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nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.09 09:09:00 -
[101]
Edited by: nether void on 09/12/2008 09:10:30
Shrapnel Industries has sent ISK 100mil for the purchase of 1 share. ISK and email sent. Please verify. Please issue share directly to Shrapnel Industries Corporation.
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By Chance
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Posted - 2008.12.09 10:05:00 -
[102]
I'd like to purchase two shares of this IPO, if some other investments pan out this week I'll purchase another eight. Please EVE-Mail me the details of the corp/player to pay the isk into.
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nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.10 15:56:00 -
[103]
Thanks for sending me the share last night, Galligher.
He and I had a chance to chit-chat for a bit. Sounds like it's going to be a lot of good work going on! Looking forward to watching the business develop!
So is CHI buying up the remaining shares today, or are you extending the deadline?
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Dagda Morr
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:26:00 -
[104]
Can you confirm that the IPO is closed and let us know when we should be expecting the 1st dividend - will there be a payout the 1st of Jan despite the offering running late?
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nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.12 17:56:00 -
[105]
In our chat he did say the first dividend would be coming Jan 1st, but yeah I'd like to see him post here to clear up if this IPO is closed or not? CHI was to buy the remaining shares as of 12/10 I thought.
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.13 07:37:00 -
[106]
Shares reserved before the date of the corporation buyout are still reserved but the corporation has invested the rest of the ISK required for blueprint purchase. January 1, 2009 will be the first dividend payment despite the delay.
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Madam Squishy
Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.26 22:59:00 -
[107]
With sincere apologies, I need to pull out of the IPO.
I will be asking for a Buy-out after the January dividends. If anyone is looking for shares, my 10 are becoming available.
My woman has started playing Eve seriously and i'm purchasing her a +5 set and a Navy Raven. (late Christmas present)
My best wishes for all
~Squishy
YYRU YYUB ICUR YY4ME |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.01.03 06:39:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Galligher
Shares reserved before the date of the corporation buyout are still reserved but the corporation has invested the rest of the ISK required for blueprint purchase. January 1, 2009 will be the first dividend payment despite the delay.
Did the dividend payment get made January 1st?
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Miyuki Suzumiya
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Posted - 2009.01.03 08:47:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Miyuki Suzumiya on 03/01/2009 08:48:01
Originally by: cosmoray
Originally by: Galligher
Shares reserved before the date of the corporation buyout are still reserved but the corporation has invested the rest of the ISK required for blueprint purchase. January 1, 2009 will be the first dividend payment despite the delay.
Did the dividend payment get made January 1st?
I checked Galligher login at 8:25(GMT) 03/01/2009 and he logged off at 8:41(GMT).
But, it's not paid yet.
Also, I will be asking Galligher for all my shares buyout after the January dividends.
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nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.03 09:02:00 -
[110]
Same here, no dividend. Not ready to throw in the towel, but not really inspiring either.
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Zak Zakk
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Posted - 2009.01.03 10:59:00 -
[111]
No dividend yet.
Sent Galligher a message in game,but no reply....
A response here & a dividend would be nice-not giving up on this one,but starting to get worried about my half bil..
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Randy Hundley
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Posted - 2009.01.03 22:28:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Galligher
Shares reserved before the date of the corporation buyout are still reserved but the corporation has invested the rest of the ISK required for blueprint purchase. January 1, 2009 will be the first dividend payment despite the delay.
no dividend payments == scam. 
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Zak Zakk
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Posted - 2009.01.04 04:48:00 -
[113]
If this is a scam, were the people who gave character references involved in it?
If not how did they come to misjudge him so badly?
Madam Squishy
Southern Cross Empire
"1b Sent. 10 shares.
Good guy, Good people are the best investments."
Braendig
"Folks, I can say from personal experience that Galligher is an upstanding guy. He worked for my corporation for a period of time and during that period was honest, forthcoming about his private ventures, and deffinately did not hesitate to call me out on my own mistakes (which I have made a few) I know you dont know me from Adam, but I thought it couldnt hurt to give a bit of my personal support. I think he has done his homework on this one, and I have already agreed to provide some investment myself."
I would be intrested to hear what these two people have to say...
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Randy Hundley
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Posted - 2009.01.04 05:14:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Zak Zakk
If this is a scam, were the people who gave character references involved in it?
If not how did they come to misjudge him so badly?
Madam Squishy
Southern Cross Empire
"1b Sent. 10 shares.
Good guy, Good people are the best investments."
Braendig
"Folks, I can say from personal experience that Galligher is an upstanding guy. He worked for my corporation for a period of time and during that period was honest, forthcoming about his private ventures, and deffinately did not hesitate to call me out on my own mistakes (which I have made a few) I know you dont know me from Adam, but I thought it couldnt hurt to give a bit of my personal support. I think he has done his homework on this one, and I have already agreed to provide some investment myself."
I would be intrested to hear what these two people have to say...
do you know those characters personally, what makes their vouchers worth anything? adding both of them to known scammers list if this one does not turn around.
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Madam Squishy
Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.04 06:11:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Madam Squishy on 04/01/2009 06:15:10
I talked with him before the IPO. He was helpful about pointers about trading. I invested with his IPO AFTER he was kind. I misjudged him, for that I do apologies. If that was his plan all along i feel terribly sorry for those who fallowed my lead.
I lost my Billion isk as well ^^ Trust me This is NOT how i planned.
YYRU YYUB ICUR YY4ME |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.01.04 06:44:00 -
[116]
Now this IPO is not yet a complete SCAM.
It is pretty close.
The warning signs were huge, I really don't understand why people chose to throw money at this.
MY comments:
1. EVERY IPO for LOW SEC POS businesses in the last TWO YEARS failed or SCAMMED with a total loss of ISK. This is over 100B ISK lost, not 1 ISK has been recovered.
2. Every single experienced CAP production specialist (Xabier, Kazzac especially) had serious doubts about business plan.
3. Reservations were not taken up for many weeks, but OP kept trying
4. When an audit was requested mid launch, the OP suddenly announced that all shares were purchased by the holding corp.
Why after these HUGE RED FLAGS did no-one start asking questions, and maybe think that the OP was looking for some easy money.
Now, many new people on this forum may think that a lot of the old timers are elitist and arrogant, but they do have a wealth of experience. When the old timers start to question IPO/bonds because the offering is poor or suspect they do know what they are talking about.
If you want to invest you need to do some serious checking, and understand ALL the facts about the business.
I don't want new investors come here and lose vast amounts of ISK because people say I have a great plan and you throw money at it. If you haven't asked a question, or not one experienced player hasn't invested you should wonder why!
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Madam Squishy
Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.04 06:48:00 -
[117]
Being a youngblood myself, How do we know who these "experienced" people are? I think ive lost most of my investing capital, so like my luck in poke, im in then out, but for future reference, is there a list of names i should keep in my little black book of "smart people"
YYRU YYUB ICUR YY4ME |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.01.04 06:56:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Madam Squishy
Being a youngblood myself, How do we know who these "experienced" people are? I think ive lost most of my investing capital, so like my luck in poke, im in then out, but for future reference, is there a list of names i should keep in my little black book of "smart people"
Cap production and general - Xabier, Kazzac
POS & Logistics and general - Trading Bunnz, AC155, Kwint
General Experience (trusted)- Shar, Motivated Profit, Proton Power, Shadarle (not on much), EBANK members (not on much more), Tornsoul, Ray, Cosmoray, Block Ukx (BSAC), Bad Bobby, LRN/YGR, some others when I have had less booze(sorry to those I missed)
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Madam Squishy
Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.04 08:16:00 -
[119]
Like any good student i took the words, "invest in many"
I invested in Galliager ^^ ( FAIL )
I invested in a poor bloke who needed isk for a GTC (FAIL)
I invested in D-Bank ( WIN ! )
I invested in Endureth ( MAYBE FAIL)
1/4 isnt a winning number :)
Luckly my biggest egg was with D bank, got 1500m at the old 10% CD :)
YYRU YYUB ICUR YY4ME |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.01.04 08:30:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Madam Squishy
Being a young blood myself, How do we know who these "experienced" people are?
Do not hide behind excuses. You vouched for someone you didn't really know. So that makes you either a sucker, a moron, or an accomplice. At this point does it really matter? Your word is dust now. PS: That's not a judgment I'm pronouncing. I'm just telling you how it is.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Randy Hundley
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Posted - 2009.01.04 08:56:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Madam Squishy
Edited by: Madam Squishy on 04/01/2009 06:15:10
I talked with him before the IPO. He was helpful about pointers about trading. I invested with his IPO AFTER he was kind. I misjudged him, for that I do apologies. If that was his plan all along i feel terribly sorry for those who fallowed my lead.
I lost my Billion isk as well ^^ Trust me This is NOT how i planned.
you are an accomplice, plain and simple. enjoy the isk you got as your word will never be worth squat here again. not that it should have but to the poster who used you as a reference this is the kind of s****you need to look out for in these forums.
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.01.04 09:01:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Madam Squishy
Like any good student i took the words, "invest in many"
That doesn't mean 'throw your isk at random people', it implies diversifying investments so as to minimize the risk that a single failure will mean catastrophic loss. If you invest all of it in a number of total unknowns, you're playing Russian roulette, not investing strategically. 
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Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.01.04 14:57:00 -
[123]
Originally by: cosmoray
1. EVERY IPO for LOW SEC POS businesses in the last TWO YEARS failed or SCAMMED with a total loss of ISK. This is over 100B ISK lost, not 1 ISK has been recovered.
Might be time to change that I am thinking. Sounds like a challenge . That is all. |
Lansoc Kopec
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.01.04 17:42:00 -
[124]
Edited by: Lansoc Kopec on 04/01/2009 17:42:56
You win some and you loss some... 6-1 on investments so far and still in the black even after my loss...
So since every lowsec ipo/bond has failed apparently... how about a null sec ipo/bond offering... its safer than empire if you own the space.. haha |
nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.04 18:45:00 -
[125]
I just opened a convo with Galligher. I asked him where the dividends were. People were getting worried. He then closed the convo. So yeah I'd say this is a scam.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2009.01.04 19:03:00 -
[126]
audits dont prevent scamming - no they are not a significant obstacle to scammers
Trashed sig, Shark was here |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.01.04 19:34:00 -
[127]
Originally by: SiJira
audits dont prevent scamming - no they are not a significant obstacle to scammers
No they don't. Audits help though.
Still can't get around the fact that this was a horrendous business plan, was called scam from the beginning, anyone with any experience called it into question, yet still people invested blindly.
Scammers will always be successful because people don't do any checking on the IPO or ask any questions and wait for answers.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.01.04 19:38:00 -
[128]
As a side note, the two people who vouched for Galligher, specifically
Madam Squishy
Braendig
Your reputation and word has now been trashed with the scammer. No one will listen to you or make any investments with you.
Be very careful on who you vouch for!!
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Xabier
Amarr
THE SORORITY
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Posted - 2009.01.04 20:07:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Madam Squishy
Like any good student i took the words, "invest in many"
I invested in Galliager ^^ ( FAIL )
I invested in a poor bloke who needed isk for a GTC (FAIL)
I invested in D-Bank ( WIN ! )
I invested in Endureth ( MAYBE FAIL)
1/4 isnt a winning number :)
Luckly my biggest egg was with D bank, got 1500m at the old 10% CD :)
2/5
Don't forget you have some of my bonds.
Xabiers Capital Bond #1/2 (FINISHED)
Xabiers Capital Bond #3/4
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DEATH MILF
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.04 20:19:00 -
[130]
Contracts received on the following characters for their involvement in scamming investors out of their hard earned isk. We thank the contractors for their business and intend to carry out justice in this and all other cases.
Make your stations comfortable because you will be in them for a long time!
Pods to be collected:
Madam Squishy
Braendig
Galligher
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Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.01.05 01:02:00 -
[131]
Was only a matter of time I guess. I may not agree with it but it might make people think twice before vouching for someone else. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.01.05 02:54:00 -
[132]
The hairs on the back of my neck went up the minute I read through the plan.
No capital business ever works without a solid empire founding, and any low sec, null workings are often done through expansions and often through obfuscation of the original plan to prevent risks like war decs, ganking, manipulation, etc...
Again, if any investors want to take a look at a real capital offering and gauge future ones against it, I would have to say that Xabier is the gold standard for it at this point. |
Green Mokozi
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Posted - 2009.01.05 15:18:00 -
[133]
http://killboard.atlas-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=60099
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.01.05 15:30:00 -
[134]
Killed and podded.
I think this is the first time I have seen justice against a scammer.
What is interesting is that Galligher made a huge noob mistake. He scammed with his main, and his own corp.
He has painted a huge target on himself now.
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Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.01.05 16:23:00 -
[135]
Don't get your hopes up cosmoray
Looks like a standard 0.0 execution, I doubt he got killed specifically due to this scam.
Anyway look at what he's carrying in the transport. A bunch of crappy ammo. I would have expected something a bit more extravagant, I guess he plans on playing Eve like normal post-scam. Should be interesting to see how that turns out for him |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.01.05 16:45:00 -
[136]
I know this, out of everyone you could contact to make sure someone ends up dead, he ended up on the receiving end of one of those guns already, even if by accident.
Yay for HAVOC  |
Madam Squishy
Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.05 20:13:00 -
[137]
Do we know if the Audit was a scam also? I eve-mailed the guy who did it and he said he get back to me in a month or so?
I Believe a POS is out there that needs to get killed. Also the character who owns the Freighter is probably an alt of his. Ideas to the masses :)
YYRU YYUB ICUR YY4ME |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.01.05 20:14:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Madam Squishy
Do we know if the Audit was a scam also? I eve-mailed the guy who did it and he said he get back to me in a month or so?
I Believe a POS is out there that needs to get killed. Also the character who owns the Freighter is probably an alt of his. Ideas to the masses :)
If the audit was a setup, then I'd eat a baby on live TV
Kazuo Ishiguro is prolly one of the most trusted people around here. |
Xabier
Amarr
THE SORORITY
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Posted - 2009.01.05 20:27:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Madam Squishy
I Believe a POS is out there that needs to get killed.
Location?
Could do with some more POS mods.
Xabiers Capital Bond #1/2 (FINISHED)
Xabiers Capital Bond #3/4
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.01.05 20:38:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Madam Squishy
Do we know if the Audit was a scam also? I eve-mailed the guy who did it and he said he get back to me in a month or so?
I Believe a POS is out there that needs to get killed. Also the character who owns the Freighter is probably an alt of his. Ideas to the masses :)
I am now calling you a liar. Kazuo did the audit, and his reputation is beyond reproach. Post your chatlogs, or give out your API, and someone can inspect your chatlogs.
Kazuo would not have said he would get back to you within a month or so.
You vouched for this guy your reputation is trashed, don't try and take others down.
At this point I don't care if the OP owns his own star system. I didn't invest.
At the same time I don't deal with scammers or their underlings. You are a de-facto scammer, thanks for your 15 seconds in the spotlight.
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Randy Hundley
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Posted - 2009.01.05 20:42:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Madam Squishy
Do we know if the Audit was a scam also? I eve-mailed the guy who did it and he said he get back to me in a month or so?
I Believe a POS is out there that needs to get killed. Also the character who owns the Freighter is probably an alt of his. Ideas to the masses :)
this lying sack of crap b___h needs to be podded continously. in fact maybe her corp needs to be wardecced into oblivion. it is one thing to aid a scammer but now she is trying to tarnish good peoples names.
who took out the contract on these scammers posted earlier? im all up for another one to hasten these pod killings...
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Lansoc Kopec
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.01.05 20:51:00 -
[142]
Its really funny how some of you take this game so seriously... also the omg I have rep aka look at my epeen crap needs to stop... nobodys rep is beyond reproach... well... except Gods that is.. haha |
MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.05 21:21:00 -
[143]
An audit is no guarantee that someone isn't going to scam. All it does is verify some basic facts about the plan and the skill set the person owns. Its easy enough to have the required skills and have lead a non scamming past in Eve and then decided to cash in on that fact in the market.
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nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.05 21:29:00 -
[144]
Originally by: MilowFV
An audit is no guarantee that someone isn't going to scam. All it does is verify some basic facts about the plan and the skill set the person owns. Its easy enough to have the required skills and have lead a non scamming past in Eve and then decided to cash in on that fact in the market.
Yeah I think this is where the size of the request would act as the red flag. If it's 15bil the first time someone asks, then there's a lot of scam risk right there, even if the person's past and skills are legit and spot free.
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Lansoc Kopec
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.01.05 21:32:00 -
[145]
Originally by: MilowFV
An audit is no guarantee that someone isn't going to scam. All it does is verify some basic facts about the plan and the skill set the person owns. Its easy enough to have the required skills and have lead a non scamming past in Eve and then decided to cash in on that fact in the market.
qft .. for all we know all the "trusted" people are planning to scam everyone at the same time.. its a big conspiracy |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.01.05 21:49:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Lansoc Kopec
qft .. for all we know all the "trusted" people are planning to scam everyone at the same time.. its a big conspiracy
Wow, someone has finally seen through my 8 yr plan. Can't fool these main-hiding alts, nope, no sir.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.05 21:53:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Lansoc Kopec
qft .. for all we know all the "trusted" people are planning to scam everyone at the same time.. its a big conspiracy
Wow, someone has finally seen through my 8 yr plan. Can't fool these main-hiding alts, nope, no sir.
I like your style, sir.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.01.05 22:42:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Lansoc Kopec
qft .. for all we know all the "trusted" people are planning to scam everyone at the same time.. its a big conspiracy
Wow, someone has finally seen through my 8 yr plan. Can't fool these main-hiding alts, nope, no sir.
Shar has been exposed as part of a Gallente sleeper cell. Mingle with those pesky Caldari, be their freinds and when they least expect it steal all their ISK!
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Madam Squishy
Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.06 04:04:00 -
[149]
2009.01.03 23:08
I'm away from home and my records are not currently available to me, but I'll look into it when I get the chance. This may not be for another couple of weeks.
Could you please provide a link to the IPO thread, so I can confirm which one you're talking about?
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I think the IPO is a Bust. I think many people would be gratefull for any type of information should we want to destroy his low sec POS's.
I know you handled the Audit, (Not saying its anyway your fault) but if you have any info that could be used against him, we would appreciate it.
YYRU YYUB ICUR YY4ME |
Aver Veritas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.06 04:09:00 -
[150]
I'm sorry how stupid can some people be to fall for these?
Ok letÆs assume this was a scam and if this dude Galligher is actually smart this toon is simply an Alt. A simple google search reveals some interesting results...
Huginn
Mega 1
Mega 2
Maurader
All four kills in the previous month...during the ôIPOö...a Falcon alt as someone above confirmed. No previous kills from before for over a year and always flying with this corp.
An alt of these ôBastardsö? LetÆs check their Killboard.
Bastards Huginn
Bastards Mega 1
Bastards Mega 2
Bastards Maurader
Notice the lack of GalligherÆs Falcon on each Bastard killmail! Killmail tampering sure doesnÆt look dodgy 
To try and determine the owner of the account you can only really look at previous kills, maybe they were stupid enough to use two accounts at one? Oh wait...
Evidence 1
Evidence 2
Is Kulmid, now in The Bastards, a really close loveable buddy of GalligherÆs or simply the same person?! All I can do is show the evidence, and let you all make your minds up whether you trust it or the ôtrustworthy and honorableö Bastards pirate corp.
What IÆve been able to gather from The Bastards website and their stupid amount of blogs is they are ôhonestö and ôtrustworthyö pirates...yeah ok. No wonder their Ransom board is empty. Oh and for the contract guys out on Galligher's head, they also seem to live around the low sec area of Metropolis possibly basing out of Evati?
I vote this thread is moved to Crime & Punishment!!
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.06 04:16:00 -
[151]
Why don't you stop hiding behind your alt and post with your main?
10% for Returning Customers |
Altrinsic
Win Tech
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Posted - 2009.01.07 03:16:00 -
[152]
First I'd like to apologize to the MD community for not seeing this post when it could have mattered.
In early 2007, Galligher was accepted into Win Tech and over the next two months he participated in most ops and worked hard to make the corp isk. He was subsequently given access to all corp assets excluding BPO's and within that week we had been cleaned out.
I can confirm he has 4 main characters, I can't recall the fourth but I will find out and post it.
1. Galligher
2. Kulmid
3. Celtic Zero
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Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.01.07 04:56:00 -
[153]
Edited by: Ricdics on 07/01/2009 04:59:02
There's the answer
His name should be added to the Fitz registry of scammers |
nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.07 15:34:00 -
[154]
So as a lesson learned (myself included), never give more than a bil to an MD newb. This guy is now set for pretty much life really. Just re-invest the 15bil, and live off the dividends. Even in an EBANK account, 15bil is 225mil per month at 1.5% interest. |
Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.07 16:03:00 -
[155]
if he gave it to us through his listed alts I would do what I could to make sure he never saw it again |
Viilaa
Caldari
OH Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.07 17:01:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Ricdics
Originally by: cosmoray
1. EVERY IPO for LOW SEC POS businesses in the last TWO YEARS failed or SCAMMED with a total loss of ISK. This is over 100B ISK lost, not 1 ISK has been recovered.
Might be time to change that I am thinking. Sounds like a challenge . That is all.
Kinda funny, I was thinking the same thing...
Viilaa
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.07 17:05:00 -
[157]
Edited by: Galligher on 07/01/2009 17:05:53
That is all.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.01.07 17:34:00 -
[158]
hahah |
Richard Kitan
United Space Republic Research
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Posted - 2009.01.07 18:02:00 -
[159]
Edited by: Richard Kitan on 07/01/2009 18:04:26
Originally by: Ricdic
if he gave it to us through his listed alts I would do what I could to make sure he never saw it again
Interesting.. so what are the criteria for ebank seizing your deposited isk? You have to have scammed an IPO?
What if you scammed your corp, or scammed on contracts?
I looked through the ebank terms and conditions (admittedly, I just skimmed them) and didn't see anything there saying that known scammers would have their isk confiscated - except in the 'conclusion' section, and I read that as ebank taking action against scammers that have used ebank as part of their scam.
I don't, haven't, and won't scam, but I'd feel very nervous keeping my isk in a bank that can decide that I'm a scammer and seize my deposited assets
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Shhhhhh
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Posted - 2009.01.07 18:11:00 -
[160]
 Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Derelyk
Win Tech
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Posted - 2009.01.07 20:08:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Altrinsic
First I'd like to apologize to the MD community for not seeing this post when it could have mattered.
In early 2007, Galligher was accepted into Win Tech and over the next two months he participated in most ops and worked hard to make the corp isk. He was subsequently given access to all corp assets excluding BPO's and within that week we had been cleaned out.
I can confirm he has 4 main characters, I can't recall the fourth but I will find out and post it.
1. Galligher
2. Kulmid
3. Celtic Zero
I need to clarify this statement. galligher was given access acces to pilots hanger and wallet. was not given access to bpo's.
Why nobody contacted previous corps he was a member of is beyond me. I emailed corps he joined for about 6 months after corp theft to inform them they had a theif in their midst. At some point, i stopped.. think it was due to him joining a pirate corp.
anywho, peeps... check employment history.
Just confirming his alts.. galligher, kulmid and celtic zero. |
nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.07 21:45:00 -
[162]
Even though I lost 100mil on this, that image did make me laugh. lol |
SiJira
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Posted - 2009.01.07 22:40:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Richard Kitan
I don't, haven't, and won't scam, but I'd feel very nervous keeping my isk in a bank that can decide that I'm a scammer and seize my deposited assets
ricdic likes to drink and post - he wouldnt normally advise scamming anyone for any reason |
Stardust CEO
Stardust Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.01.07 23:11:00 -
[164]
I can't decide how I feel about EBANK confiscating the isk of someone who has scammed via an IPO. What if the IPO just failed? What if a corp goes to EBANK saying an EBANK client has corpthieved them?
On second thought, it's a slippery slope, and I don't like the idea of EBANK doing it. |
SiJira
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Posted - 2009.01.07 23:22:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Stardust CEO
I can't decide how I feel about EBANK confiscating the isk of someone who has scammed via an IPO. What if the IPO just failed? What if a corp goes to EBANK saying an EBANK client has corpthieved them?
On second thought, it's a slippery slope, and I don't like the idea of EBANK doing it.
are you going on the record saying you would never support an action like this even if you were the target of an elaborate scam? |
Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.07 23:44:00 -
[166]
lol ZING!
Well done Galligher. Props to you on your successful scam and humourous rejoiners :) |
Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.01.07 23:55:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Stardust CEO
I can't decide how I feel about EBANK confiscating the isk of someone who has scammed via an IPO. What if the IPO just failed? What if a corp goes to EBANK saying an EBANK client has corpthieved them?
On second thought, it's a slippery slope, and I don't like the idea of EBANK doing it.
There's no difference between a scam and a failed IPO. Either way, they took your money, promised you your money back plus interest, and failed to deliver on that promise. Why should you lose money but they lose nothing? I'm fully in favor of EBANK confiscating assets in order to reimburse investors.
@ Captain Retard: how is pulling off a 15 bil scam a laudatory occasion? And how is his reply (a single image created with MS Paint) a 'humorous' response? Go die in a fire, or failing that stop trolling MD. |
Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.08 00:03:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Frenden Dax
@ Captain ******: how is pulling off a 15 bil scam a laudatory occasion? And how is his reply (a single image created with MS Paint) a 'humorous' response? Go die in a fire, or failing that stop trolling MD.
Bypassing the profanity filter and RL threats. Classy sir!
Anyways, to the topic at hand. At the very least, it's laudatory for the simple reason that he obviously put a fair amount of work in the intial IPO, and that at least deserves some credit. Whether or not he deserves praise for pulling the scam itself off is something else - naturally, those who invested in it would be a little peeped off.
Whilst you might not value the simple inherent beauty of his MS Paint image, I and others do, and it perfectly encapsulates the reaction it generated out of the likes of you, good sir :)
See? Civility is free to those who can afford it, but very expensive to those who can't. I believe that you belong to the latter group
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.08 00:14:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Richard Kitan
Edited by: Richard Kitan on 07/01/2009 18:04:26
Originally by: Ricdic
if he gave it to us through his listed alts I would do what I could to make sure he never saw it again
Interesting.. so what are the criteria for ebank seizing your deposited isk? You have to have scammed an IPO?
Nah this is none currently. That's why I said "do what I can". It would require speaking with the board and trying to convince them to let me squash the vermin scammer etc.
Frankly if someone does scam and then invests the cash with someone else, they have no recourse complaining about getting scammed. An obvious scam like this shows without any real doubt that it is a scam. Obviously something that wasn't quite as easy to determine wouldn't have the same rules apply. I have never been a fan of calling or determining something a scam until all other possibile reasoning has been removed. |
Stardust CEO
Stardust Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.01.08 00:16:00 -
[170]
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Stardust CEO
I can't decide how I feel about EBANK confiscating the isk of someone who has scammed via an IPO. What if the IPO just failed? What if a corp goes to EBANK saying an EBANK client has corpthieved them?
On second thought, it's a slippery slope, and I don't like the idea of EBANK doing it.
are you going on the record saying you would never support an action like this even if you were the target of an elaborate scam?
I'm going on the record of saying, "Unless it were handled very professionally, with the strictest of guidelines, I foresee problems." I'm not saying it's all bad, or that it couldn't work. I'm just saying I'd hate to see it done poorly, or even mediocre-ly (is that word?).
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Richard Kitan
United Space Republic Research
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Posted - 2009.01.08 00:23:00 -
[171]
Edited by: Richard Kitan on 08/01/2009 00:24:48
Originally by: Stardust CEO
On second thought, it's a slippery slope, and I don't like the idea of EBANK doing it.
I agree. It would be nice to know where the line is drawn. Lets say someone puts up a Raven on contracts as a CNR. Does that mean they forfeit their ebank isk? What if they put up say, a cap recharger 2 for 1bn isk? Who decides what's a scam, and where is this listed in ebanks terms and conditions?
What if, say a GHSC member deposited isk in an ebank account - is that isk forfeit too? What about an ev0ke member? Their alliance was involved in the big POS exploit - does that mean ebank keeps their isk?
As Stardust CEO said, it's a slippery slope, and I for one am not comfortable keeping my money in an institution like that.
And, since it was brought up further down the page - I am going on record saying that if I was scammed I would not want ebank taking the scammers isk. Wylker got me for a bit during the PSI IPO. If he had any isk with ebank, I would not think that ebank was justified in keeping it. Scamming a scammer still makes you a scammer too, and confiscating people's isk when you don't have a published policy saying that you will do so is a scam as far as I'm concerned.
edit: I hit submit before I saw that Ricdic replied. I appreciate the answer, but if taking scammers money is something that ebank would consider doing, I think it should be added to the terms and conditions.
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Richard Kitan
Builder of Stuff |
Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.08 00:24:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Stardust CEO
I can't decide how I feel about EBANK confiscating the isk of someone who has scammed via an IPO. What if the IPO just failed? What if a corp goes to EBANK saying an EBANK client has corpthieved them?
On second thought, it's a slippery slope, and I don't like the idea of EBANK doing it.
It not an EBANK statement, I said I would personally do everything in my power to try and ensure the scammer couldn't finalise banking services with us.
It's not a matter of deciding scam on the fly. Look at the facts:
1) Person posted business plan for X amount of cash
2) Person recieved X amount of cash
3) Person had good communication until all cash recieved
4) Deadlines on reports and dividends have been thoroughly exceeded.
5) The OP has been sighted ingame and has rejected all convo's
6) The OP fails to answer evemails sent to him.
7) An old CEO has just shown advising the OP was responsible for scamming his corporation.
The next step I hope Kazuo does is a complete listing of everything on this galager punk. All his API data, every one of his alts names, their balances, their locations in space, their assets, journal/transaction histories linking those accounts to other accounts, the whole works. Add all his scamming characers to the Fitz wall of scammers and maybe one day people will stop and research before blindly investing.
Stardust, I will say this. Whilst EBANK (the entity) has no official word on this situation let me personally warn you or anyone else that if you are a scammer, don't come near us. We want absolutely nothing to do with you and will burn you to the ground if given the chance.
That's not to say EBANK would act on an evemail from a person or anything like that, we never will. Something like this however, a publicised scam that just happens to be hurting the secondary market that we try so hard to help support, and well there's every possibility the ebank board decide to make an example of you. (we care far more about the secondary market than we do about the feelings of a scammer). |
Stardust CEO
Stardust Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.01.08 00:32:00 -
[173]
I believe that this case is an amazing example of a sure scam. He might as well dance around yelling, "I scammed you!" and put it on YouTube. Most cases, however, don't seem so cut and dried.
In this case, and on other case by case instances like this one, I wouldn't mind seeing the investors get paid back with whatever EBANK was holding of this guy's. What worries me is what that could lead to. It's not that i don't trust EBANK to handle it professionally, just that it's in my nature to question where slippery slopes end.
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.08 00:40:00 -
[174]
Edited by: Galligher on 08/01/2009 00:40:32
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Another for some lols. |
Transmit Failure
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Posted - 2009.01.08 00:59:00 -
[175]
just...epic.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.08 01:00:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Stardust CEO
agreement. And how do you address the issue of a contract scammer with an EBANK account? Does his isk get confiscated? It's just a bad road to walk down.
Contract and personal scammers have nothing to do with us. But if someone screws with the secondary market, that's when we will discuss ways to deal with it. Again, it would all be discussion related, I don't have the power to simply take their cash and redistribute, it would require our board to officially accept taking this course of action (similar to a case where we hammered someone trying to sell isk through EBANK) |
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
CCP
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Posted - 2009.01.08 01:11:00 -
[177]
Cleaned.
Please do not post images directly into threads, please post on-topic and with respect towards other players. |
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.08 01:28:00 -
[178]
Since my picture got modded out.
Pic 1
Pic 2
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.01.08 02:52:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Ricdic
Stardust, I will say this. Whilst EBANK (the entity) has no official word on this situation let me personally warn you or anyone else that if you are a scammer, don't come near us. We want absolutely nothing to do with you and will burn you to the ground if given the chance.
That's not to say EBANK would act on an evemail from a person or anything like that, we never will. Something like this however, a publicised scam that just happens to be hurting the secondary market that we try so hard to help support, and well there's every possibility the ebank board decide to make an example of you. (we care far more about the secondary market than we do about the feelings of a scammer).
Honestly that assures me even more of the isk I place, or rather the isk from people that trust me I place into Ebank that much more.
It takes balls to put your reputation, especially one so large as a CEO of one of the largest financial entities in EVE, on the line like that.
Putting your money where your mouth is, that's where the line in the sand is drawn here at MD.
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Stardust CEO
Stardust Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.01.08 04:00:00 -
[180]
Edited by: Stardust CEO on 08/01/2009 04:00:45
Does this mean that having an account with EBANK with a decent balance in it could become a form of security? Or would the scammer just withdraw their isk from ebank the day before they run off? If so, could a spontaneous withdrawal of isk from EBANK by an IPO/Bond offerer be considered a red flag?
Edited for clarity.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.08 04:16:00 -
[181]
At this point no. We don't have the capacity to micromanage people who want securities held within EBANK.
However I should point out that anyone as the ability to use EBANK as a collateral fund. Lets say you start a new IPO and want to place 500m as collateral. Have Kazzac (as guarantor) open a shared account and give you deposit level access. You can then wire the funds there and they are now formally secured and you can still see them there.
At this point Shared accounts don't gather interest but this should be changing very shortly. The interest rate may not be quite as much as a standard account, however it's the perfect portal for securities or even corporate/alliance entities wanting a way to formally handle their payroll systems, save for that new Titan etc. |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.01.08 04:16:00 -
[182]
I doubt EBANK will do anything.
If they want a good product they have to be like a Swiss bank.
They might not like their clients but they have to keep the information confidential and provide the service.
They do have a right to not create a bank account for a known scammer, or kick a scammer out with his/her cash.
If EBANK can "Nationalize' accounts that would set a a bad precedent.
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Forceflow
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.01.08 04:19:00 -
[183]
Edited by: Forceflow on 08/01/2009 04:22:51
Edited by: Forceflow on 08/01/2009 04:19:31
/edit for useless infomation.
(Didnt read enough) |
Stardust CEO
Stardust Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.01.08 04:42:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Ricdic
I should point out that anyone as the ability to use EBANK as a collateral fund. Lets say you start a new IPO and want to place 500m as collateral. Have Kazzac (as guarantor) open a shared account and give you deposit level access. You can then wire the funds there and they are now formally secured and you can still see them there.
At this point Shared accounts don't gather interest but this should be changing very shortly.
Good to know. |
Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.08 10:52:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Galligher
Since my picture got modded out.
Pic 1
Pic 2
\o/
Just a quick question if I may Galligher. Apart from the obvious - financial gain - were there any other motivations behind this quite intricate scam? |
MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.08 12:55:00 -
[186]
What made this scam intricate anyway? Did he put weeks of work into, start his own web page with mass mailing to sucker folks into it?
Anyway dosnt seem like anything special in the way of scams. I didnt really look at it as I dont much like low sec operations.
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Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.08 13:03:00 -
[187]
Edited by: Captain Pompous on 08/01/2009 13:07:38
Originally by: MilowFV
What made this scam intricate anyway? Did he put weeks of work into, start his own web page with mass mailing to sucker folks into it?
Anyway dosnt seem like anything special in the way of scams. I didnt really look at it as I dont much like low sec operations.
It's intricate in that the IPO looks, initially at least, well thought out and Galligher addressed queries and concerns fairly promptly
edit: i dont know about a webpage or similar, but the fact that several people vouched for him added to the patina of respectability
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nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.08 15:50:00 -
[188]
This is probably the easiest way to make ISK in the game. I'm actually surprised we don't see it even more often. People spend 10x the effort in suicide ganks. And this is actually a lot less work, and really easy to pull off. Also there's no real way to get revenge. Podding a guy a few times is never going to do 15 billion in damage (also with no risks of your own, since a scam has no risks for the scammer really).
I wish there was a way to get financial revenge on people in this game, or some other way to do 15 billion dollars of damage in some other equivalent way. |
Kw1jybo
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Posted - 2009.01.08 16:01:00 -
[189]
As someone who got scammed in this, and as this was my 1st attempt to invest, I kinda have a sour taste in my mouth about the whole thing.
I have to say, is there any compelling reason to invest if the risk of scamming is so high? |
Xabier
Amarr
THE SORORITY
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Posted - 2009.01.08 16:02:00 -
[190]
Originally by: nether void
I wish there was a way to get financial revenge on people in this game, or some other way to do 15 billion dollars of damage in some other equivalent way.
Hire GHSC.
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Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2009.01.08 16:13:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Kw1jybo
As someone who got scammed in this, and as this was my 1st attempt to invest, I kinda have a sour taste in my mouth about the whole thing.
I have to say, is there any compelling reason to invest if the risk of scamming is so high?
not really unless you have such wealth that the tiny payouts from the few good investments overtime outway the losses from the numerous scam/AWOL IPO's.
My own personal take is that alot of the people investing are playing the investment market of more of a game than a way to get richer and will have numerous other ventures suppling their wealth.
Also alot of people are more conserned for the overall health of the secondry market and will happily take the hits of the regular scams to keep the market alive and active.
I also have a cynical view that many of these failed/scammed IPO's are run by the some of the so called "MD Elite" through the use of alt. They have the knowledge and intellegence to get the inital investment and when it eventually fails/scams the originator of the scam is moving onto rally support and investment for their latest Alt. This is just a cynical view and I have no evidence to support such dealing but this is Eve and well thats enough to stop me trusting my hard earned Isk's to anyone but myself. |
nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.08 16:14:00 -
[192]
Edited by: nether void on 08/01/2009 16:19:16
Originally by: Kw1jybo
As someone who got scammed in this, and as this was my 1st attempt to invest, I kinda have a sour taste in my mouth about the whole thing.
I have to say, is there any compelling reason to invest if the risk of scamming is so high?
Well investing only in people who are known is much less risky. If they're brand new to public ventures, then look at how much their asking for. Scamming for like a bil is really not worth it; but 15 bil?
*edit*
Originally by: Midas Man
My own personal take is that alot of the people investing are playing the investment market of more of a game than a way to get richer and will have numerous other ventures supplying their wealth.
Also a lot of people are more concerned for the overall health of the secondary market and will happily take the hits of the regular scams to keep the market alive and active.
I agree half of it is really just for fun. |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.01.08 16:34:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Kw1jybo
As someone who got scammed in this, and as this was my 1st attempt to invest, I kinda have a sour taste in my mouth about the whole thing.
I have to say, is there any compelling reason to invest if the risk of scamming is so high?
I got caught in two scams in 2007. This made me very cynical and miserable about investing. This is actually a good combination for investing on MD.
My thoughts:
1. I never invest in low sec operations (all fail)
2. I never invest in new/no rep players asking for more than 3B - too much, to soon)
3. I never invest in anyone unless I ask at least 1 question, or speak directly in game to the CEO
4. I will invest in good people, 2nd or 3rd IPO's/bonds
Why do I invest.
My plan is to have a portfolio, that earns a passive income to pay for GTC's monthly. So even if I don't play the game I have enough credit to keep my account going.
Passive is important, as it requires no work. Sure I could make much more trading, but the investment portfolio is so I don't have to.
Mainly my portfolio is diverisified
I set aside a pool for investments (half my ISK balance).
30-40% in banks
40% in safe IPO's (well known and MD trusted players)
20% for more risky adventures. Newer player IPO's that are small. |
SiJira
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Posted - 2009.01.08 16:49:00 -
[194]
Edited by: SiJira on 08/01/2009 16:49:02
Originally by: Captain Pompous
It's intricate in that the IPO looks, initially at least, well thought out and Galligher addressed queries and concerns fairly promptly
edit: i dont know about a webpage or similar, but the fact that several people vouched for him added to the patina of respectability
so you are the alt of the alt |
Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.08 17:09:00 -
[195]
Originally by: SiJira
Edited by: SiJira on 08/01/2009 16:49:02
Originally by: Captain Pompous
It's intricate in that the IPO looks, initially at least, well thought out and Galligher addressed queries and concerns fairly promptly
edit: i dont know about a webpage or similar, but the fact that several people vouched for him added to the patina of respectability
so you are the alt of the alt
I wish!
And you are the alt of the alt of the alt, presumably? I had nothing to do with this, though one could make the case that a singularly successful scam deserves the same kudos as a successful one. And that, simply, is what I was pointing out in this thread :) |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.01.08 17:13:00 -
[196]
Originally by: SiJira
Edited by: SiJira on 08/01/2009 16:49:02
Originally by: Captain Pompous
It's intricate in that the IPO looks, initially at least, well thought out and Galligher addressed queries and concerns fairly promptly
edit: i dont know about a webpage or similar, but the fact that several people vouched for him added to the patina of respectability
so you are the alt of the alt
No I'm Spartacus |
SiJira
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Posted - 2009.01.08 17:32:00 -
[197]
Edited by: SiJira on 08/01/2009 17:32:09
Originally by: Captain Pompous
I wish!
And you are the alt of the alt of the alt, presumably? I had nothing to do with this, though one could make the case that a singularly successful scam deserves the same kudos as a successful one. And that, simply, is what I was pointing out in this thread :)
a scam isnt successful until it gets the money of cosmoray shadarle or shar tegral |
Feryal Sky
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Posted - 2009.01.08 18:05:00 -
[198]
Originally by: SiJira
Edited by: SiJira on 08/01/2009 17:32:09
Originally by: Captain Pompous
I wish!
And you are the alt of the alt of the alt, presumably? I had nothing to do with this, though one could make the case that a singularly successful scam deserves the same kudos as a successful one. And that, simply, is what I was pointing out in this thread :)
a scam isnt successful until it gets the money of cosmoray shadarle or shar tegral
i.e. the Justice Friends: Major Glory, Krunk, and Valhallen in that precise order.
Waiting for a confirmation from Riethe...
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SiJira
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Posted - 2009.01.08 18:09:00 -
[199]
Edited by: SiJira on 08/01/2009 18:10:32
Originally by: Feryal Sky
Originally by: SiJira
a scam isnt successful until it gets the money of cosmoray shadarle or shar tegral
i.e. the Justice Friends: Major Glory, Krunk, and Valhallen in that precise order.
Waiting for a confirmation from Riethe...
you mean pulled a scam on one of those trusted persons?
Trashed sig, Shark was here |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.01.08 18:32:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Feryal Sky
i.e. the Justice Friends: Major Glory, Krunk, and Valhallen in that precise order.
Waiting for a confirmation from Riethe...
I always pictured Shar as Major Glory  |
Feryal Sky
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Posted - 2009.01.08 18:49:00 -
[201]
Originally by: SiJira
you mean pulled a scam on one of those trusted persons?
I am referring to the the end of an MD era, the death of the personality cult. People must learn to make their own decisions.
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
I always pictured Shar as Major Glory
Then now is the time to change that association, Kazzac
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SiJira
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:04:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Feryal Sky
I am referring to the the end of an MD era, the death of the personality cult. People must learn to make their own decisions.
theres always someone to point out the holes
Trashed sig, Shark was here |
Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:23:00 -
[203]
Originally by: SiJira
Edited by: SiJira on 08/01/2009 17:32:09
Originally by: Captain Pompous
I wish!
And you are the alt of the alt of the alt, presumably? I had nothing to do with this, though one could make the case that a singularly successful scam deserves the same kudos as a successful one. And that, simply, is what I was pointing out in this thread :)
a scam isnt successful until it gets the money of cosmoray shadarle or shar tegral
their tears would be all the sweeter, i would imagine ^^
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Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:24:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Feryal Sky
I am referring to the the end of an MD era, the death of the personality cult. People must learn to make their own decisions.
Probably the wisest thing in this whole thread, on a par with Galligher's MS Paint effort :D
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Saralle Zhukov
Minmatar
Win Tech
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Posted - 2009.01.08 21:00:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Galligher
Since my picture got modded out.
There is no way for you ever to change your style of play. A leopard cannot change it's spots, and this is why I call you a thief everytime I see you in local. It is also why I oppose any dealings between yourself and Win Tech.
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Kill them all God will know his own. |
Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.08 21:07:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Saralle Zhukov
Originally by: Galligher
Since my picture got modded out.
There is no way for you ever to change your style of play. A leopard cannot change it's spots, and this is why I call you a thief everytime I see you in local. It is also why I oppose any dealings between yourself and Win Tech.
Why must you say such hurtful things?
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SiJira
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Posted - 2009.01.08 21:17:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Galligher
Originally by: Saralle Zhukov
Originally by: Galligher
Since my picture got modded out.
There is no way for you ever to change your style of play. A leopard cannot change it's spots, and this is why I call you a thief everytime I see you in local. It is also why I oppose any dealings between yourself and Win Tech.
Why must you say such hurtful things?
does it hurt you to know that people make much more isk than you with less effort repeatedly and without having to resort to hurting people that trusted them to do it?
Trashed sig, Shark was here |
nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.08 21:23:00 -
[208]
I'm curious to know who this guy is in real life. I've got some stereotypes I figure he fits, but would be curious to know if they match up. And no, I can't take his word to answer the questions without lying. lol
Anyway, this kind of thing makes me curious. What kind of person would scam, that is.
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Galligher
Citadel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.08 21:41:00 -
[209]
Edited by: Galligher on 08/01/2009 21:49:57
Originally by: SiJira
does it hurt you to know that people make much more isk than you with less effort repeatedly and without having to resort to hurting people that trusted them to do it?
That just means they get none of the fun.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.01.09 01:53:00 -
[210]
Yes, I've been stung by scams. Every so many months I'll take on a newb's request for a hundred mil or so to get something started. Most times it's money tossed away, some times it is not. When panning for gold, you slug through a lot of mud before you find a nugget worth your time. Originally by: Galligher
That just means they get none of the fun.
I'm not going to wax upon whatever suppositions we may or may not have about the nature of your character. However, don't mistake the fact that some people not running with the money is missing out on fun. It just means we don't find that fun. As to my own pedigree, Kazuo still has my full api keys. I'm also sure a few people at eBank still have them as well. I've never ripped off Peter to pay Paul. And I'd like to think that one or two CCP employee has probably snooped my own activities in the past - just to use an alt to out me if I had done anything wrong. (Never forget that wild card there - Devs can look and Mods know who the alts really are!)
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Ashanty
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Posted - 2009.01.09 12:36:00 -
[211]
Ppl sometimes seem to forget that this is a roleplaying game...
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.01.09 12:50:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Ashanty
Ppl sometimes seem to forget that this is a roleplaying game...
What an inane comment. Eve is not a role playing game. Role playing is possible in Eve, yes, but not mandatory for all participants. However Eve is a highly competitive game and everyone is involved in such competition. No one is free from the competition no matter how isolated (self sufficient) they try to be. In fact, anyone completely isolated is still having an effect on others even if it is simply from not being part of everyone else's economy. So when I talk about motivations in this "game" I simply allow for the fact that the range of motivations are far wider than some simple classification. Heck, even "winning" is some nebulous concept from demographic to demographic. To give you an analogy that might work, to me Eve is like sex. Fun, indeed, but if you don't take it seriously or use your brain, you suck big time and no one wants to play with you. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.01.09 13:30:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
To give you an analogy that might work, to me Eve is like sex. Fun, indeed, but if you don't take it seriously or use your brain, you suck big time and no one wants to play with you.
Thats getting saved for later |
Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.09 13:52:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
To give you an analogy that might work, to me Eve is like sex. Fun, indeed, but if you don't take it seriously or use your brain, you suck big time and no one wants to play with you.[/justify]
Hey baby do you like it when I touch you in your m=xc¦ |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.01.09 13:53:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Ricdic
Hey baby do you like it when I touch you in your m=xtc¦
Fixed that for you. |
Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.09 14:55:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Ricdic
Hey baby do you like it when I touch you in your m=xtc¦
Fixed that for you.
I pray for you |
Saralle Zhukov
Minmatar
Win Tech
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Posted - 2009.01.10 06:12:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Galligher
Originally by: Saralle Zhukov
Originally by: Galligher
Since my picture got modded out.
There is no way for you ever to change your style of play. A leopard cannot change it's spots, and this is why I call you a thief everytime I see you in local. It is also why I oppose any dealings between yourself and Win Tech.
Why must you say such hurtful things?
If the truth hurts that doesn't make it not the truth.
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2009.01.10 14:34:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Ricdics
His name should be added to the Fitz registry of scammers
Added!
And if any one knows more names of his alts let me know or post here.
♣ Galligher Alts: Kulmid, Celtic Zero Proof
Services I Provide:
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Madam Squishy
Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.12 05:25:00 -
[219]
I just talked to Gall's new Corp, They are aware of his activities and are inviting Pew Pew to come their way. I personally will try to help the cause, but if anyone wants to join in, the location is LJ-YSW.
If you see a big fleet of cruisers, wave :)
YYRU YYUB ICUR YY4ME |
Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.12 05:53:00 -
[220]
Edited by: Brock Nelson on 12/01/2009 05:53:06
Well, Galligher was kind enough to give everybody .01 cent in dividends. I'll donate that to whoever brings us his corpse.
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