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Kitten Hearder	Posted - 2004.07.07 14:27:00 - [121] Originally by: Attrael Quote: I'd have to pay for petrol, tax, insurance. 'Petrol'? What on earth is 'petrol'? Is that some fancy Euroslang for 'gas'? Euroslang for "Expensive Gas!" --------- Kitten Hearder Evolution made my sig Less Entertaining than your's.
Kitten Hearder	Posted - 2004.07.07 14:27:00 - [122] Originally by: Attrael Quote: I'd have to pay for petrol, tax, insurance. 'Petrol'? What on earth is 'petrol'? Is that some fancy Euroslang for 'gas'? Euroslang for "Expensive Gas!" --------- Kitten Hearder Evolution made my sig Less Entertaining than your's.
gryf	Posted - 2004.07.07 18:45:00 - [123] Originally by: Katya Detia Shiva isnt a patch to fix the game, its a free expansion... So eve is not an unfinished game.. LOL maybe they will get the missing TECH 1 bp's into the Shiva "PATCH" and truly finish the Genisis Tutorial flame fest 2004 "did you know if you suck up enough you get a free months subscription"
gryf	Posted - 2004.07.07 18:45:00 - [124] Originally by: Katya Detia Shiva isnt a patch to fix the game, its a free expansion... So eve is not an unfinished game.. LOL maybe they will get the missing TECH 1 bp's into the Shiva "PATCH" and truly finish the Genisis Tutorial flame fest 2004 "did you know if you suck up enough you get a free months subscription"
Vasiliy Yakovich	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:06:00 - [125] Originally by: D3monZ 7000? It's more like 40000, so say $600,000 AND WHEN DID YOU SEE 40000 playing at the same time Must... hold... mouth... shut... arrrrghh! Why don't you make an MMO yourself and see how easy and it is and how quickly you'll be swimming in loads of cash... Who needs programmers and designers when we got a legion of idiots critizising everything CCP does?
Vasiliy Yakovich	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:06:00 - [126] Originally by: D3monZ 7000? It's more like 40000, so say $600,000 AND WHEN DID YOU SEE 40000 playing at the same time Must... hold... mouth... shut... arrrrghh! Why don't you make an MMO yourself and see how easy and it is and how quickly you'll be swimming in loads of cash... Who needs programmers and designers when we got a legion of idiots critizising everything CCP does?
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:22:00 - [127] Actually I'd be surprised if Eve had less than 45,000 subscribers. Not 50,000, mind you - I'd expect a farly large press release when that hits. That's based on peak populations and experiences of % of players om at peak times in other MMO games, so while it might not be accurate it's as good as you'll get without a statement from CCP. "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:22:00 - [128] Actually I'd be surprised if Eve had less than 45,000 subscribers. Not 50,000, mind you - I'd expect a farly large press release when that hits. That's based on peak populations and experiences of % of players om at peak times in other MMO games, so while it might not be accurate it's as good as you'll get without a statement from CCP. "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
Luc Boye	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:27:00 - [129] Originally by: Attrael Quote: I'd have to pay for petrol, tax, insurance. 'Petrol'? What on earth is 'petrol'? Is that some fancy Euroslang for 'gas'? Well don't know, but we in yurop pour liquid in our tanks, not gas. -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:27:00 - [130] Originally by: Attrael Quote: I'd have to pay for petrol, tax, insurance. 'Petrol'? What on earth is 'petrol'? Is that some fancy Euroslang for 'gas'? Well don't know, but we in yurop pour liquid in our tanks, not gas. -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Origim	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:27:00 - [131] Edited by: Origim on 07/07/2004 19:37:28 EDIT: This statement is rendered obsolite. A better point is presented in posts below mine. -------------- Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 \|
Origim	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:27:00 - [132] Edited by: Origim on 07/07/2004 19:37:28 EDIT: This statement is rendered obsolite. A better point is presented in posts below mine. -------------- Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 \|
Origim	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:29:00 - [133] Edited by: Origim on 07/07/2004 19:30:14 Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: Attrael Quote: I'd have to pay for petrol, tax, insurance. 'Petrol'? What on earth is 'petrol'? Is that some fancy Euroslang for 'gas'? Well don't know, but we in yurop pour liquid in our tanks, not gas. Yeah.. and 'Gas' is short for 'Gasoline', which happens to be the liqud people pour into the tanks. -------------- Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 \|
Origim	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:29:00 - [134] Edited by: Origim on 07/07/2004 19:30:14 Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: Attrael Quote: I'd have to pay for petrol, tax, insurance. 'Petrol'? What on earth is 'petrol'? Is that some fancy Euroslang for 'gas'? Well don't know, but we in yurop pour liquid in our tanks, not gas. Yeah.. and 'Gas' is short for 'Gasoline', which happens to be the liqud people pour into the tanks. -------------- Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 \|
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:29:00 - [135] CCP rents a house to house their Iceland-side facilities. They also pay 30-odd employees, probably for about 5.5k (average) a month (wages and cost of living is insane in Iceland. We equal Japan). Then there's heating, food (I used to work in a supermarket where their chef shopped. $100 every week there), electricity and assorted bills. In the UK, they maintain the servers. Beside the insane upgrades they just recently pulled, presumably for more than 400k alone, they are constantly maintaining, replacing and expanding the servers, not to mention the exuberant internet charges, the electricity costs, the staff placed there, and housing. Then there comes marketing. I wouldn't be surprised if that alone costs something like 100-150k, even with the minimal marketing they do. The rest goes into the pockets of the investors that put millions into the development of EVE. ---- Software development carries insane costs. Continued development, such as the development of EVE, costs even more. The average game budget is closing in on millions of dollars for 2-4 years of development. EVE took 4 years to get out of the door, and is still being developed, with even more staff than pre-launch. Now please end yourself, kthinxbye.
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:29:00 - [136] CCP rents a house to house their Iceland-side facilities. They also pay 30-odd employees, probably for about 5.5k (average) a month (wages and cost of living is insane in Iceland. We equal Japan). Then there's heating, food (I used to work in a supermarket where their chef shopped. $100 every week there), electricity and assorted bills. In the UK, they maintain the servers. Beside the insane upgrades they just recently pulled, presumably for more than 400k alone, they are constantly maintaining, replacing and expanding the servers, not to mention the exuberant internet charges, the electricity costs, the staff placed there, and housing. Then there comes marketing. I wouldn't be surprised if that alone costs something like 100-150k, even with the minimal marketing they do. The rest goes into the pockets of the investors that put millions into the development of EVE. ---- Software development carries insane costs. Continued development, such as the development of EVE, costs even more. The average game budget is closing in on millions of dollars for 2-4 years of development. EVE took 4 years to get out of the door, and is still being developed, with even more staff than pre-launch. Now please end yourself, kthinxbye.
Origim	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:35:00 - [137] Originally by: Raem Civrie CCP rents a house to house their Iceland-side facilities. They also pay 30-odd employees, probably for about 5.5k (average) a month (wages and cost of living is insane in Iceland. We equal Japan). Then there's heating, food (I used to work in a supermarket where their chef shopped. $100 every week there), electricity and assorted bills. In the UK, they maintain the servers. Beside the insane upgrades they just recently pulled, presumably for more than 400k alone, they are constantly maintaining, replacing and expanding the servers, not to mention the exuberant internet charges, the electricity costs, the staff placed there, and housing. Then there comes marketing. I wouldn't be surprised if that alone costs something like 100-150k, even with the minimal marketing they do. The rest goes into the pockets of the investors that put millions into the development of EVE. ---- Software development carries insane costs. Continued development, such as the development of EVE, costs even more. The average game budget is closing in on millions of dollars for 2-4 years of development. EVE took 4 years to get out of the door, and is still being developed, with even more staff than pre-launch. These are wise words. Read what he has to say. -------------- Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 \|
Origim	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:35:00 - [138] Originally by: Raem Civrie CCP rents a house to house their Iceland-side facilities. They also pay 30-odd employees, probably for about 5.5k (average) a month (wages and cost of living is insane in Iceland. We equal Japan). Then there's heating, food (I used to work in a supermarket where their chef shopped. $100 every week there), electricity and assorted bills. In the UK, they maintain the servers. Beside the insane upgrades they just recently pulled, presumably for more than 400k alone, they are constantly maintaining, replacing and expanding the servers, not to mention the exuberant internet charges, the electricity costs, the staff placed there, and housing. Then there comes marketing. I wouldn't be surprised if that alone costs something like 100-150k, even with the minimal marketing they do. The rest goes into the pockets of the investors that put millions into the development of EVE. ---- Software development carries insane costs. Continued development, such as the development of EVE, costs even more. The average game budget is closing in on millions of dollars for 2-4 years of development. EVE took 4 years to get out of the door, and is still being developed, with even more staff than pre-launch. These are wise words. Read what he has to say. -------------- Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 \|
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2004.07.07 20:17:00 - [139] Forgot to add that the income is slashed by at least one-third due to income/corporate/high-level trade tax, and as much as 40%, as I'm not really in on corporate taxation in Iceland. In a country with a welfare system and the most stupidly high taxes this side of Russia, I only fear the worst.
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2004.07.07 20:17:00 - [140] Forgot to add that the income is slashed by at least one-third due to income/corporate/high-level trade tax, and as much as 40%, as I'm not really in on corporate taxation in Iceland. In a country with a welfare system and the most stupidly high taxes this side of Russia, I only fear the worst.
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2004.07.07 20:25:00 - [141] Edited by: MOOstradamus on 07/07/2004 20:27:42 /me starts playing "Lets Get Retarded" by the Black Eyed Peas, turns up the volume and dances ... MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2004.07.07 20:25:00 - [142] Edited by: MOOstradamus on 07/07/2004 20:27:42 /me starts playing "Lets Get Retarded" by the Black Eyed Peas, turns up the volume and dances ... MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
MrBinary	Posted - 2004.07.07 20:44:00 - [143] Greetings, Personally, I don't mind paying for a game like this, when it is clear that CCP continues to try and improve an already amazing game. And like someone else said...in not so many words...sh*t cost money, nothing comes for free. You can't please all the people all of the time, but they sure try. Kudos to CCP! BTW...Where is that Republic Issue Tempest I asked for? Regards, MrBinary "[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary"
MrBinary	Posted - 2004.07.07 20:44:00 - [144] Greetings, Personally, I don't mind paying for a game like this, when it is clear that CCP continues to try and improve an already amazing game. And like someone else said...in not so many words...sh*t cost money, nothing comes for free. You can't please all the people all of the time, but they sure try. Kudos to CCP! BTW...Where is that Republic Issue Tempest I asked for? Regards, MrBinary "[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary"
Sonjeir	Posted - 2004.07.07 20:46:00 - [145] Originally by: Attrael Quote: I'd have to pay for petrol, tax, insurance. 'Petrol'? What on earth is 'petrol'? Is that some fancy Euroslang for 'gas'? Gas what on earth is gas? Is that some Hickslang for fuel?
Sonjeir	Posted - 2004.07.07 20:46:00 - [146] Originally by: Attrael Quote: I'd have to pay for petrol, tax, insurance. 'Petrol'? What on earth is 'petrol'? Is that some fancy Euroslang for 'gas'? Gas what on earth is gas? Is that some Hickslang for fuel?
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb	Posted - 2004.07.07 20:51:00 - [147] I'd be suprised if CCP made ANY money from this game TBH - They have said multiple times that it's more of a "labor of love" than a money making venture. As a customer for a year now i'm personally quite satisfied w/ EVE. There is no other game out there like EVE. NONE. So if you don't like it - i'll quote Sassinak - "UNPLUG YOUR KEYBOARD!!!" Posting for Numbnutz
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb	Posted - 2004.07.07 20:51:00 - [148] I'd be suprised if CCP made ANY money from this game TBH - They have said multiple times that it's more of a "labor of love" than a money making venture. As a customer for a year now i'm personally quite satisfied w/ EVE. There is no other game out there like EVE. NONE. So if you don't like it - i'll quote Sassinak - "UNPLUG YOUR KEYBOARD!!!" Posting for Numbnutz
Ariell Lucinwind	Posted - 2004.07.07 21:07:00 - [149] Oh I forgot to add, I remember when i was in Beta for EVE we had a small discussion over the expenses of "Making" EVE. Thats right, this game didn't pop up over night, it took them some time to develop. The biggest thing i remember was some one in accounts talking about how they took a 6 million dollar loan from a bank to get this funded. Thats right a $6,000,000 - with all the zeroes. Thats a crap load to pay back IMHO and then add on everything else that can be added on top. Oh well........ I am back to play for a few more months -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Came back cause I love you guys :P
Ariell Lucinwind	Posted - 2004.07.07 21:07:00 - [150] Oh I forgot to add, I remember when i was in Beta for EVE we had a small discussion over the expenses of "Making" EVE. Thats right, this game didn't pop up over night, it took them some time to develop. The biggest thing i remember was some one in accounts talking about how they took a 6 million dollar loan from a bank to get this funded. Thats right a $6,000,000 - with all the zeroes. Thats a crap load to pay back IMHO and then add on everything else that can be added on top. Oh well........ I am back to play for a few more months -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Came back cause I love you guys :P

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