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Hellfury Resurrected Incura HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.04 04:32:00 - [301] You guys really should have a working killboard if you wish to be taken seriously as a mercenary corporation -------------------------------------------
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.12.04 08:48:00 - [302] Originally by: Hellfury Resurrected You guys really should have a working killboard if you wish to be taken seriously as a mercenary corporation i'd tell em on their forums, but those are gone too.
Hellfury Resurrected Incura HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.04 09:41:00 - [303] Originally by: Roastedpot Originally by: Hellfury Resurrected You guys really should have a working killboard if you wish to be taken seriously as a mercenary corporation i'd tell em on their forums, but those are gone too. Maybe they're disbanding? -------------------------------------------
Bayushi Aramoro	Posted - 2009.12.04 11:03:00 - [304] Yeah we are having some DNS issues with the site right now , and of course the kbs are on the same server.
Taram Caldar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.04 13:23:00 - [305] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 04/12/2009 13:23:52 Yah... the site provider apparently forgot to pay the DNS bill again, just like this time last year (GRR)... This will be dealt with In the meantime just edit your windows hosts file and add the following entry: add this and save 67.222.34.36 noir.pinacoderm.com noir-eve.com This will fix the forums. To access the flash website you will have to use this URL: http://noir-eve.com/noir Want a sig made? Contact me in game. Click my sig to see samples
Bayushi Aramoro Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.06 07:02:00 - [306] Just so you all know the kill board and forums are back online . Appears the dns issue has been fixed .
Taram Caldar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.07 02:24:00 - [307] Confirming. This has been dealt with. Want a sig made? Contact me in game. Click my sig to see samples
Yasmine Orodies	Posted - 2009.12.17 11:46:00 - [308] BE WARNED, NOIR, as good as they are in doing whateverthe**** that they do, they will hustle you. Crank up the numbers and hold out their hands. They do in-game what I do in RL.
Mickey Simon TEMPLAR.	Posted - 2009.12.17 11:52:00 - [309] Originally by: Yasmine Orodies BE WARNED, NOIR, as good as they are in doing whateverthe**** that they do, they will hustle you. Crank up the numbers and hold out their hands. They do in-game what I do in RL. lol nice troll Noir. are p good mercs, eve-dev and they way they have it configured is a little spastic (I mean really, a BS kill isn't worth the hull + fittings when you get a heap back from insurance) but for the most part Noir. isn't trying to scam you.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.12.17 11:58:00 - [310] Originally by: Yasmine Orodies BE WARNED, NOIR, as good as they are in doing whateverthe**** that they do, they will hustle you. Crank up the numbers and hold out their hands. They do in-game what I do in RL. HEY! No trolling Noir... That's my job..
Yasmine Orodies	Posted - 2009.12.17 11:58:00 - [311] I am not trolling. I never said they will scam you. Do you even understand the definition of hustling? dude#1 Hey dood can you get me that **** dude#2 yes sure! let me call dude#3 and ask dude#3 yeah 20bucks dude#2 Yeah its gonna be 30bucks Their calculation for payment using their KB is shady.
Hellfury Resurrected Incura HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.17 12:02:00 - [312] Originally by: Yasmine Orodies I am not trolling. I never said they will scam you. Do you even understand the definition of hustling? dude#1 Hey dood can you get me that **** dude#2 yes sure! let me call dude#3 and ask dude#3 yeah 20bucks dude#2 Yeah its gonna be 30bucks Their calculation for payment using their KB is shady. qq -------------------------------------------
Hellfury Resurrected Incura HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.17 12:04:00 - [313] I'm actually quite impressed that they managed to get FOURTEEN guys on to a Hulk kill -------------------------------------------
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.12.17 12:07:00 - [314] Edited by: Lana Torrin on 17/12/2009 12:08:23 Originally by: Hellfury Resurrected Edited by: Hellfury Resurrected on 17/12/2009 12:05:33 I'm actually quite impressed that they managed to get FOURTEEN guys on to a Hulk kill Also, lawl, how dumb do you have to be? Oh thats gotta be faked.. Asuka Smith does not undock.. ever.. Edit: The hulk that is, not the mammouth.. I've seen stupider.
Mickey Simon TEMPLAR.	Posted - 2009.12.17 12:07:00 - [315] Edited by: Mickey Simon on 17/12/2009 12:08:47 Originally by: Yasmine Orodies I am not trolling. You really are. While it might elicit a hilarious terribleit's a pretty obvious and terrible troll. Quote: I never said they will scam you. Do you even understand the definition of hustling? dude#1 Hey dood can you get me that ** dude#2 yes sure! let me call dude#3 and ask dude#3 yeah 20bucks dude#2 Yeah its gonna be 30bucks Their calculation for payment using their KB is shady. A hustle, a swindle, a scam. They're all synonyms really, but u no you know, it's hard to debate what doesn't there. You know how their KB works - it's right there infront of you. If you don't like it, don't hire them it's hardly a hustle, a swindle, or a scam. If they take a business hit they'll be forced to change it or change their business. It's not rocket science. You should probably get better at trolling and **posting before you start shiptosting on C&P. edit: lol hauler during war :pro:
Lee Dalton Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.17 12:34:00 - [316] That hauler loss was not during war. It looks like it was from a suicide gank. (People will suicide gank these days for 100 mil? ) *** You're only as good as your last fight.
FU22 Duty.	Posted - 2009.12.17 12:41:00 - [317] Originally by: Lee Dalton (People will suicide gank these days for 100 mil? ) I would if i had the sec to burn Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.
Kan3r Blaze Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.17 12:51:00 - [318] Originally by: Yasmine Orodies Their calculation for payment using their KB is shady. It really isn't and it's also not something that we try and hide, and in fact has been discussed many times on C&P. As mentioned it's very easy to see how the KB works and calculates damage. If an employer wishes not to enter into a pay/kill contract then that can be arranged with a fixed price campaign. However, what doesn't change is that when we destroy a ship and the associated modules then that is damage inflicted, which is what the KB records. We used to display only hull damage, but this really understated the damage that we inflicted. Do you have a specific instance of hustling, or is it purely the way in which the killboard works? Your scenario was surreal at best, but I'd be happy to get to the bottom of it if you have more info. Declarations of War - Revisted - Home of the Noir. podcast
Taram Caldar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.17 14:11:00 - [319] Bottom line: The Noir. KB calculates isk dmg inflicted based upon hull value + Mod value. This is the only way to accurately portray how much isk was destroyed. Whether it's insured or not is not our concern and there's no way to know if it is or not anyway so it's a pointless arguement. The total isk destroyed is as accurate as we can make it and we are absolutely eager to make it as accurate as we can so if someone notices a faction module price out of whack they need only tell us and we'll get it corrected. Market traded items (re: non faction) are updated via eve-central so they're as accurate as we can make them (and no, we're not gonna manually edit our db for every item in the damn game) As Kan3r pointed out Noir. doesn't operate exclusively on a pay per kill basis. In fact most of our contracts are flat fee contracts with some pay per kill contracts negotiated by our clients. The % of pay per kill also can vary based on the level of risk involved and what the client negotiates with us. Anyone who's actually dealt with Noir. knows we're very forthright in how much we charge, how much will be charged and are eager to help clients to make sure they don't blow their budget. In one instance, and only one instance... ever, we dealt with a client who obviously didn't understand what they were getting themselves into and we still did our best to make things right with them even though we had explicitly warned them to let us know if we were going over their budget because it was a pay-per-kill contract. The fact that they still troll about it (obvious alt is obvious) is a testament to the fact that they never actually intended to honor the original deal even though we settled the original issue eons ago with their leadership. Want a sig made? Contact me in game. Click my sig to see samples
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2009.12.17 16:38:00 - [320] That's why REPO just uses a set hull value when negotiating pay per kill. It elliminates the wide price swings based on ship fits. If a ship has a great loot drop, that is the reward, not an enormous ppk rate. Using the Noir. method, we could have charged our client (at the 50% rate) around 15 billion for one hauler kill. It was probably full of BPC, but may have been BPO (doubtful, but not provable either way). Our KB defaulted to 33 billion. Our charge, for killing one hauler - 2 milliion isk. The burnden to cash in on the loot drop was ours. I guess in theory, it could have dropped 33 bil in BPO, we could have sold them and charged the client 15 bil on top and pulled in roughly 45 bil for ganking a hauler on the undock of amarr middle station. Even if the rate were pre negotiated, I don't think having the possibility of giving a client a wallet surprise of that magnitude is within the ethics of the REPO business model. We'll stick with the 'surprise - you owe us 2 mil for kicking the target in the family jewels'. Serendipity
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.12.17 19:18:00 - [321] Originally by: Serendipity Lost That's why REPO just uses a set hull value when negotiating pay per kill. It elliminates the wide price swings based on ship fits. If a ship has a great loot drop, that is the reward, not an enormous ppk rate. Using the Noir. method, we could have charged our client (at the 50% rate) around 15 billion for one hauler kill. It was probably full of BPC, but may have been BPO (doubtful, but not provable either way). Our KB defaulted to 33 billion. Our charge, for killing one hauler - 2 milliion isk. The burnden to cash in on the loot drop was ours. I guess in theory, it could have dropped 33 bil in BPO, we could have sold them and charged the client 15 bil on top and pulled in roughly 45 bil for ganking a hauler on the undock of amarr middle station. Even if the rate were pre negotiated, I don't think having the possibility of giving a client a wallet surprise of that magnitude is within the ethics of the REPO business model. We'll stick with the 'surprise - you owe us 2 mil for kicking the target in the family jewels'. Serendipity ok? why share this here? may i go out on a limb and say the troll was a lead in for this (that you were the troll)? what repo does on contrat (or fails to do more often lately) is repo's business, not how noir. works. and yes, im cranky because i just woke up and am to lazy to play eve still >.<
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2009.12.17 20:09:00 - [322] Please list our contract failures that have occurred lately. I'm not looking for proof of failure, just a list will be sufficient. Serendipity
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2009.12.17 21:15:00 - [323] Apparently there is no list handy. I guess that since you have no knowledge of our contracts and their objectives you may not be the best character to judge how successful they are. OK, you got me, I'm not guessing. Serendipity
Alekseyev Karrde	Posted - 2009.12.18 00:46:00 - [324] Didnt know REPO was getting work again, congrads on getting your feet back under you. RE the troll: Hi Maru I am always very upfront about monetary matters with clients. We offer flat, fixed, and hybrid rate contracts all of which are custom priced/negotiated to ensure customer satisfaction as much as possible. Clients wanting flat rates have had their needs met and expectations exceeded time and time again. Some clients preferred paying on % damage dealt: rates were negotiated to their satisfaction and Noir. prosecuted their targets with the same ferocity as any flat rate. In some of the flat rate cases we've come out doing incredible amounts of damage for comparatively low amounts of money; some % based contracts targets have turtled up and we didnt get much at all. And the reverse of each case has also been true; that's the nature of the game. What matters to me, and what i think even Serendipity could agree to in principle even if he preferred a different pay structure to ours, is that the contract is negotiated in a way that is fair and straightforward to all parties, that Noir. (insert merc corp here) pursues its commitments under that contract to the best of its abilities, and in exchange for doing so we are compensated by the employer at the rate both parties agreed to. It's very unfortunate we had an incident with an employer who seemed to not read the terms he was agreeing to (to the point he and his subordinates sent me mails about how "kb is looking nice") and was upset at his bill, which i insisted he pay before i would agree to an extension into a second week. It's very unfortunate, but it is not my fault nor the fault of anyone associated with my company. I acted ethically, professionally, and straightforwardly in the negotiation of that contract and we acted ethically, professionally, and straightforwardly in the prosecution of that contract. Chat logs and kbs can attest to these aspects conclusively and i even went above and beyond the call in the spirit of reconciliation with the other party. Their continued poorly executed use of alts to damage our reputation because of their hurt pride, in contravention to the spirit of the compromise i reluctantly agreed to in the first place, has been a matter of considerable amusement to me and the rest of corp. In short: All our contracts are custom priced in a collaborative and straightforward manner. If you and our contract manager (usually me, nightjester right now) cannot come together, or if we are simply unwilling to do the job for a rate you are unhappy with, feel free to hire someone else. ---
Yasmine Orodies	Posted - 2009.12.18 01:01:00 - [325] I am not a MK troll (just a troll :P), was, but left the alliance long long time ago, before the whole Noir/MK debacle. **** I'll even agree w/ you that MK is fail. But that does not negate the fact that the way you calculate (I feel) is shady. That you over charge people for something under value. Now the value of something however is debatable and imho a personal opinion. After all a dollar is only a dollar because people believe that its a dollar. Now as for the super flood of assaults over my opinionated post, the clear concentrated effort in rebutting my post.. super rubbing of the brain-cells is... well LAWL & LOL. You're trying way to hard over a game of internet spaceships. After all, a troll is only a troll if you make him/her to be. o/
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2009.12.18 01:23:00 - [326] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde stuff Their continued poorly executed use of alts to damage our reputation because of their hurt pride, stuff has been a matter of considerable amusement to me and the rest of corp. stuff There are some things we agree upon. As far as our work schedule, I had no idea that it was so important to you that you actually tracked it. Knowing that you do has greatly boosted my self esteem. Also, it's congrats or congratulations.
Alekseyev Karrde	Posted - 2010.01.09 02:22:00 - [327] contract history updated ---
Hue Janus	Posted - 2010.01.09 04:56:00 - [328] So basically you could probably hire two or three of the other top merc outfits on their pay per kill schedule and still pay less than Noir. would charge you? You're not bad mercs guys but I think you are starting to believe your own hype and charge accordingly. Like the Alfa Romeo of Eve
Savros Hunturas Caldari No.Mercy	Posted - 2010.01.09 05:41:00 - [329] Being your most current target, I have to said yall have fought well. But my largest issue is with your KB. For instance http://noir.pinacoderm.com/killboard/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=94 is apparently your public campaign against us. But http://noir.pinacoderm.com/alliancekb/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=2 is the one that is the real campaign. The 1st puts yall ahead, the 2nd puts yall a little under 50% which is correct. Just wanted a reply to this. Keep up the PODCAST and GL to yall. o7 Be, All That You Can Be. In Your Harpy!
Alekseyev Karrde	Posted - 2010.01.09 06:24:00 - [330] www.noir.pinacoderm.com/alliancekb as the url implies is our alliance killboard. We just had another corp join us for the first time so we're transitioning to that. Our alliance stats are the accurate count for the unit, i just keep a contract on our corp board for our records. Sorry for any confusion. ---

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