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Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:56:00 - [31] Edited by: Siddy on 14/11/2008 23:00:12 Originally by: Jorah Vulture Okay, everyone seems to be whining about the tempest. BS sized minnie guns suck, it's a hevavy ship, duct tape, etc. But, from time to time, I spot comments like "obviously tempest is the best 1v1 battleship" and "tempest excels at sniping". What the hell is going on with the tempest? Is it good or bad? that was back 2005-6 tempest blows now. Bad active tank Bad ehp tank Worst DPS of all tier2 BS's despite 2 damage bonuses too bad slot layout to armor or shield tank well with pvp mods ...shall i go one? only cons is that it got 2 somewhat useless after nos nerf utility slots. Neuts hit PG too hard. Typhoon does all beter and cheeper oh and i am one of the best tempest pilots on TQ - i can tell you tempest is but a pale shadow of its former glory.
whisk Gallente Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:58:00 - [32] Originally by: Siddy Originally by: Jorah Vulture Okay, everyone seems to be whining about the tempest. BS sized minnie guns suck, it's a hevavy ship, duct tape, etc. But, from time to time, I spot comments like "obviously tempest is the best 1v1 battleship" and "tempest excels at sniping". What the hell is going on with the tempest? Is it good or bad? that was back 2005-6 tempest blows now. Bad active tank Bad ehp tank Worst DPS of all tier2 BS's despite 2 damage bonuses too bad slor layout to armor or shield tank well with pvp mods ...shall i go one? only cons is that it got 2 somewhat useless after nos nerf utility slots. Neuts hit PG too hard. Typhoon does all beter and cheeper did siddy get ebayed?
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:59:00 - [33] Originally by: whisk Originally by: Siddy Originally by: Jorah Vulture Okay, everyone seems to be whining about the tempest. BS sized minnie guns suck, it's a hevavy ship, duct tape, etc. But, from time to time, I spot comments like "obviously tempest is the best 1v1 battleship" and "tempest excels at sniping". What the hell is going on with the tempest? Is it good or bad? that was back 2005-6 tempest blows now. Bad active tank Bad ehp tank Worst DPS of all tier2 BS's despite 2 damage bonuses too bad slor layout to armor or shield tank well with pvp mods ...shall i go one? only cons is that it got 2 somewhat useless after nos nerf utility slots. Neuts hit PG too hard. Typhoon does all beter and cheeper did siddy get ebayed? no, i just remeber tempest when i used it back in m0o and how it blows now...
whisk Gallente Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Siddy Originally by: whisk Originally by: Siddy Originally by: Jorah Vulture Okay, everyone seems to be whining about the tempest. BS sized minnie guns suck, it's a hevavy ship, duct tape, etc. But, from time to time, I spot comments like "obviously tempest is the best 1v1 battleship" and "tempest excels at sniping". What the hell is going on with the tempest? Is it good or bad? that was back 2005-6 tempest blows now. Bad active tank Bad ehp tank Worst DPS of all tier2 BS's despite 2 damage bonuses too bad slor layout to armor or shield tank well with pvp mods ...shall i go one? only cons is that it got 2 somewhat useless after nos nerf utility slots. Neuts hit PG too hard. Typhoon does all beter and cheeper did siddy get ebayed? no, i just remeber tempest when i used it back in m0o and how it blows now... give it another try? it can do what no other nonfaction bs does ( read above) it most surtenly do not blow, and got better after patch ( because gallente got worse)
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:03:00 - [35] well, now it can survive against torp ravens and even use AB for its advantage. but im shure it was not intentional and will be nerffed asap. cause EHP tank > tempest.
DamienV CAD Inc. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Sokratesz Tempest is a bad sniper actually, needs grid mod, lacks targeting range and large artillery is just ****. Unless you go with a terribly expensive or strange set-up it's unlikely to to well against the average other BS, too. So yeah tempest still sux. I usually agree with you, but here I disagree. Pest is IMO the BEST sniper out there. I am consistantly top damage dealer whenever I fly it in fleet. I have even outdamaged a dread with it before (yes the BS's were firing at the tower before the dreads, but a corpie and I, both in pests, still managed to do tons more damage than any other bs.)
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:16:00 - [37] Edited by: Siddy on 14/11/2008 23:16:03 Originally by: DamienV Originally by: Sokratesz Tempest is a bad sniper actually, needs grid mod, lacks targeting range and large artillery is just ****. Unless you go with a terribly expensive or strange set-up it's unlikely to to well against the average other BS, too. So yeah tempest still sux. I usually agree with you, but here I disagree. Pest is IMO the BEST sniper out there. I am consistantly top damage dealer whenever I fly it in fleet. I have even outdamaged a dread with it before (yes the BS's were firing at the tower before the dreads, but a corpie and I, both in pests, still managed to do tons more damage than any other bs.) yeah but exe dreads dont fit siege module :/ Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:32:00 - [38] There are two types of people: 1. Those that (ab)use the strong sides of each ship 2. Those that shoe horn ships into roles they can't fill Guess wich ones the tempest whiners belong to? Especially after patch.
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:38:00 - [39] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer There are two types of people: 1. Those that (ab)use the strong sides of each ship 2. Those that shoe horn ships into roles they can't fill Guess wich ones the tempest whiners belong to? Especially after patch. im the first one ofc, im using tempests for mineral recycling. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:48:00 - [40] Originally by: Siddy Originally by: Lyria Skydancer There are two types of people: 1. Those that (ab)use the strong sides of each ship 2. Those that shoe horn ships into roles they can't fill Guess wich ones the tempest whiners belong to? Especially after patch. im the first one ofc, im using tempests for mineral recycling. I see what you did there!
nakKEDK Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.15 00:23:00 - [41] Originally by: Gneeznow its good if you know how to fly it and have good skills for it, its bad if you ask anyone on the forums. THIS 5 Meds and 2x utility high slots is hot. just need to know how to fly it Its bad at sniping though: Alot of falloff is bad when using tracking computers and tracking enhancer the DPS The tracking Low ammo
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.15 00:24:00 - [42] tempest sucks for fleet fights due to lack of dps, ehp and range. Only fleet fight where it performs around same as the other races bs's is remote rep gangs (2 highs for reppers and capless weapons). still workable but worst of all the races to fly in fleet, only fly it if you like minmatar from rp perspective or you can't fly nothing else. Never flown arty pest but apperantly it's ability to maneuver and it's decent range with falloff as well as abililty to fit and use 2 neuts makes it a real ***** in 1v1's. It can just kite you while slowly working you down with its guns, I also heard people say it can easily kill ravens and even bana boats in 1v1's. so is it good or bad? it's both depending on the situation. Problem is it's only good in 1v1's and small scale engagements which are a pretty small part of eve, or at least that's my opinion.
kessah The Accursed	Posted - 2008.11.15 00:28:00 - [43] I personally dont care what the Dev's or the balancing team say. Unless there using the ship without using its bonuses, then it rubbish. It has no logical choice over other battleships. Perhaps im looking at this as a Crossed trained player, so if your a strict minmatar bs pilot then im sure you'll make good of it. But! eventually you will get sick of being outclass, i can get a half decent setup out of it, but there are better battleships to do it in other races, its not enough to say its a good ship and be done with it. The Dev's or balancing team have just said its ok. Thats not convincing me at all tbh, i like most of you play this game live on tranq, i not sure what eve release the dev's and balancing team are playing tbh.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2008.11.15 00:38:00 - [44] Originally by: Typhado3 Only fleet fight where it performs around same as the other races bs's is remote rep gangs (2 highs for reppers and capless weapons). No it doesnt. It sucks there, hard.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.15 00:42:00 - [45] Originally by: kessah i not sure what eve release the dev's and balancing team are playing tbh. they are playing on sisi with nightmareXxXx with HG slaves in and all 5% hardwirings ofc (couldnt resist)
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.15 02:03:00 - [46] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: kessah i not sure what eve release the dev's and balancing team are playing tbh. they are playing on sisi with nightmareXxXx with HG slaves in and all 5% hardwirings ofc (couldnt resist) LOL Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
God's Secret	Posted - 2008.11.15 02:09:00 - [47] Originally by: Vrabac Originally by: Typhado3 Only fleet fight where it performs around same as the other races bs's is remote rep gangs (2 highs for reppers and capless weapons). No it doesnt. It sucks there, hard. It underperforms all the other sniping bs platforms(mega, apoc, rokh) for a simple reason.. it cannot fit a full rack of 1400's+mwd without fitting mods/rigs, unlike the mega witch does.. and the other two that compensate the need for fitting mods with awesome sniping bonuses.. But in terms of being an efficient RR bs, i don't agree.. is the single best(non faction/t2) bs RR platform.. it can fit and sustain 2 large RR's whille still fitting a full rack of 800's and it doesn't have the cpu issues of the Mega/Geddon.. Anyway, it makes for the best RR bs imo... even so, it needs a little more powergrid for the 1400's to play on relative even terms with the other tier 2 bs's.. btw how you doin Vrab?
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2008.11.15 02:53:00 - [48] Originally by: God's Secret But in terms of being an efficient RR bs, i don't agree.. is the single best(non faction/t2) bs RR platform.. it can fit and sustain 2 large RR's whille still fitting a full rack of 800's and it doesn't have the cpu issues of the Mega/Geddon.. Anyway, it makes for the best RR bs imo... even so, it needs a little more powergrid for the 1400's to play on relative even terms with the other tier 2 bs's.. btw how you doin Vrab? In all my so far experiences fighting in remote reping gangs and occasionally leading them, I can only say I'm greatly unimpressed by tempest. I dont like having them on my side, but I like shooting them. Reasons are many, but it's mostly down to low dps, low ehp and the fact that 2 remote reps dont help if they all die in the first minute of the fight. It's basically weakest armor tanking rring battleship I'm aware of. Cpu issues are solved with adaptive nano platings, doing BCish dps with full rack of 800s and 2 gyros is a bit trickier to fix. Oh, and I'm doing pretty well.
God's Secret	Posted - 2008.11.15 03:08:00 - [49] Originally by: Vrabac Originally by: God's Secret But in terms of being an efficient RR bs, i don't agree.. is the single best(non faction/t2) bs RR platform.. it can fit and sustain 2 large RR's whille still fitting a full rack of 800's and it doesn't have the cpu issues of the Mega/Geddon.. Anyway, it makes for the best RR bs imo... even so, it needs a little more powergrid for the 1400's to play on relative even terms with the other tier 2 bs's.. btw how you doin Vrab? In all my so far experiences fighting in remote reping gangs and occasionally leading them, I can only say I'm greatly unimpressed by tempest. I dont like having them on my side, but I like shooting them. Reasons are many, but it's mostly down to low dps, low ehp and the fact that 2 remote reps dont help if they all die in the first minute of the fight. It's basically weakest armor tanking rring battleship I'm aware of. Cpu issues are solved with adaptive nano platings, doing BCish dps with full rack of 800s and 2 gyros is a bit trickier to fix. Oh, and I'm doing pretty well. I hapen to be very fond of it, 21k armor with 2 eanm II's a dc II, while dishing just shy of 900 dps with Hail.. all t2, witch is not the 1100+ of the Mega or the geddon.. but keeping 2 remote reps while shooting Blasters/Pulses is not realistic for those ships.. Glad to hear you're doing well
Mutabae	Posted - 2008.11.15 04:21:00 - [50] That the Pest can fill a couple roles adequately and one or two roles well does not mean it's a good ship. It's mediocre in most roles vs other equivalent tier BSs (and at least one lower tier BS) and is saved from being *utter rubbish* only by its narrow success in one or two roles. I can think of situations where a blaster Deimos is great but that doesn't mean it's not one of the worst hacs, because it's outperformed in so many other ways and situations by its direct and indirect competition. It sucks like the Pest sucks: In the context of real Eve play and commonly encountered situations on TQ, not in some fanciful pick-your-engagement SiSi/this one time at bandcamp. I can't wrap my head around how Mostly Poorer Than Other BSs doesn't mean the Pest sucks. Are we talking about the same 'sucks'... (a la ****)?
Kuzya Morozov Gallente L8L8L8	Posted - 2008.11.15 04:22:00 - [51] posting in a Siddy thread ...
yrknat	Posted - 2008.11.15 06:11:00 - [52] I prefer the phoon for RR gangs. 4 torps, 2ACs, 2 reps. and 7 lows for better resists. You end up with more damage with real damage selection, and better tank, hell you even lock faster.
DamienV CAD Inc. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.15 06:25:00 - [53] Edited by: DamienV on 15/11/2008 06:25:11 Originally by: Siddy Edited by: Siddy on 14/11/2008 23:17:55 Edited by: Siddy on 14/11/2008 23:16:03 Originally by: DamienV Originally by: Sokratesz Tempest is a bad sniper actually, needs grid mod, lacks targeting range and large artillery is just ****. Unless you go with a terribly expensive or strange set-up it's unlikely to to well against the average other BS, too. So yeah tempest still sux. I usually agree with you, but here I disagree. Pest is IMO the BEST sniper out there. I am consistantly top damage dealer whenever I fly it in fleet. I have even outdamaged a dread with it before (yes the BS's were firing at the tower before the dreads, but a corpie and I, both in pests, still managed to do tons more damage than any other bs.) yeah but exe dreads dont fit siege module :/ jokes aside, thats not true, since lasers outdamage you due no reload time... towers dont die fast correction, skunk-works dreads dont fit siege :) but ya, pests>apocs TBH http://killboard.executive-outcomes.info/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=45556
Elapidae	Posted - 2008.11.15 07:19:00 - [54] Originally by: DamienV correction, skunk-works dreads dont fit siege :) but ya, pests>apocs TBH http://killboard.executive-outcomes.info/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=45556 a random KM tells very little. what really happened is those 2 pests were shooting the tower while everyone else was still shooting enemy ships
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.15 07:23:00 - [55] Typhoon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempest, for RR platform Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2008.11.15 09:39:00 - [56] Originally by: God's Secret I hapen to be very fond of it, 21k armor with 2 eanm II's a dc II, while dishing just shy of 900 dps with Hail.. all t2, witch is not the 1100+ of the Mega or the geddon.. but keeping 2 remote reps while shooting Blasters/Pulses is not realistic for those ships.. Glad to hear you're doing well Both 21k armor and 900dps are low. 900dps with hail is actually very bad since it gives you 3 km optimal. Meaning you have to move a lot, reducing the use and benefit or remote reping. Typhoon is definitely superior in rring gang. It can do more damage, has more tank, can have up to 4 remote reps without sacrificing too much offensive potential, while having less need to move around.
Scots Crusader Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2008.11.15 10:15:00 - [57] As I see it, the Tempest not so much sucks as it is out performed by the other Minnie BS in every situation that it can be used in. Up close the Phoon wins both with cap warfare and DPS if you want. Maelstrom will out tank and out DPS(by miles) with only downside being you need tackle help. In the sniper role there is no really good Minnie BS. Mael out alpha's it but is not great with slot lay out and the sheild tank bonus. If truth be told, I prefer the Pest as the sniper just for slot layout and the fact that it is more maneuverable than the Mael, but on paper, Mael out performs it. Before anyone askes, yes Minnie BS 5 and all gunnery skills(apart from SPEC 5) maxed. ----------------------------------------------- O wad some power, the giftie gie us, To see oursels as ithers see
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.15 10:28:00 - [58] The fact is: tempest is the coolest looking BS.
Sweet Laylah	Posted - 2008.11.15 10:41:00 - [59] Edited by: Sweet Laylah on 15/11/2008 10:42:09 It strikes me there is way too many people in this thread saying 'yeh tempest is good, if you know how to use it' and then not saying how to use it. Proof or STFU :) I'm a pest lover BTW, I just loath smug bastards who say they know what's best but won't prove it.
Ethen Bejorn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.11.15 11:04:00 - [60] Tempest is the worst sniper ship these days. Plain and simple.

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