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Jorah Vulture Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.11.14 14:01:00 - [1] Okay, everyone seems to be whining about the tempest. BS sized minnie guns suck, it's a hevavy ship, duct tape, etc. But, from time to time, I spot comments like "obviously tempest is the best 1v1 battleship" and "tempest excels at sniping". What the hell is going on with the tempest? Is it good or bad?
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.14 14:02:00 - [2] its good if you know how to fly it and have good skills for it, its bad if you ask anyone on the forums.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.14 14:04:00 - [3] Tempest is a bad sniper actually, needs grid mod, lacks targeting range and large artillery is just ****. Unless you go with a terribly expensive or strange set-up it's unlikely to to well against the average other BS, too. So yeah tempest still sux. Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.14 14:33:00 - [4] I can to some point agree that Tempest doesn't shine so much with Artilleries. But i still use Artypest in fleet fights anyways, because the Tempest is very fun to use. Sok can confirm that i ONLY use Tempest's in fleet fights. But then, Autopest now is very good in 1 vs 1 fights. Not that you will get into may of those fights. But like my Tempest, with the setup i use on my Autopest, it's both very good in 1 vs 1 fights and in small scale PVP fights. To be very good and effective in the Tempest, you need to be very specializated and very experienced with the Tempest before you can do a good job in the ship. Like me, i only need to take the Large Autocannon Specialization skill from level 4 to 5, and then i'm maxed with the Autopest. But if your new to the Tempest, i would not recommend the ship to you to begin with. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.11.14 14:41:00 - [5] Originally by: Gneeznow its good if you know how to fly it and have good skills for it, its bad if you ask anyone on the forums. There are bad arguments on both sides. It is common for people to draw conclusions from their limited and unrepresentative experience. Every ship performs poorly sometimes and every ship performs well sometimes. And just because a ship is only 80% as effective as its counterparts doesn't mean it can't do its job; it just means the pilot has to make up for that 20% by skills, fittings, tactics and everything else that comes into play in an actual situation. But where balance is concerned, a 20% difference in starting performance is huge. There are always better and worse ways to fly a ship aswell as better and worse pilots doing the flying but the one reliable thing that can be measured is numbers. Numbers don't lie. But do not forget to keep in mind the bigger picture: consider all advantages a ship has vs another ship and their relative worth for the job they are supposed to perform. From personal experience, Tempest is fun to fly. It looks cool. Having 2 heavy neuts is great. But I'll take a phoon if it's BS vs BS I want to excel at. ----------------------
Solid Prefekt Minmatar Haven Front	Posted - 2008.11.14 17:25:00 - [6] Tempest sucks now. The across the board tank buff, amarr buff, and introduction of the Rokh dropped it from being one of the best in fleets with the nail in the coffin being the the change in the Sensor booster to using scripts. I was barely able to hang with the other race battleships, but after that it became very hard to have optimal range, targeting range, tracking, and DPS. The other race options are clearly better in T2 Sniping BS fleets. I guess someone has to be the worst. If we were all the same then the game would be no fun. We still have our fast ships.
whisk Gallente Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.11.14 17:28:00 - [7] pest is my fav non faction Bs Adapt or Die
Isonkon Serikain Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.11.14 18:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Solid Prefekt Edited by: Solid Prefekt on 14/11/2008 17:41:14 Edited by: Solid Prefekt on 14/11/2008 17:40:36 Tempest is definitely not what it was. The across the board tank buff, amarr buff, and introduction of the Rokh dropped it from being one of the best in fleets. The nail in the coffin was the the change in the Sensor booster to using scripts. I was barely able to hang with the other race battleships, but after that it became very hard to have proper optimal range, targeting range, tracking, and DPS. The other race options are clearly better in T2 Sniping BS fleets. I guess someone has to be the worst. If we were all the same then the game would be no fun. We still have our fast ships. This guy sums it up... Oh and it sucks with AC setups too. Every first tier bs except the scorpion has a setup that will pwn any tempest AC setup in a slug fight. That's how much of a sad little child the tempest has become. If anyone can prove me wrong, please post your setup here, I'd love to have it.
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.14 19:31:00 - [9] Edited by: NightmareX on 14/11/2008 19:33:33 Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Oh and it sucks with AC setups too. Every first tier bs except the scorpion has a setup that will pwn any tempest AC setup in a slug fight. That's how much of a sad little child the tempest has become. If anyone can prove me wrong, please post your setup here, I'd love to have it. LOL, this made my day actually. Have you EVER tried a Tempest with a good setup?. If yes, tell me your setup and experience with the ship. And how much skills do you have in Minmatar Battleships?. Wanna try a Geddon, Abaddon, Mega, Scorp or a Raven against a Tempest pilot with an IQ higher than a monkey?. I bet you will facepalm a lot when you see how much a Tempest actually can take before it goes down. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
whisk Gallente Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.11.14 19:38:00 - [10] Edited by: whisk on 14/11/2008 19:39:25 Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 14/11/2008 19:33:33 Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Oh and it sucks with AC setups too. Every first tier bs except the scorpion has a setup that will pwn any tempest AC setup in a slug fight. That's how much of a sad little child the tempest has become. If anyone can prove me wrong, please post your setup here, I'd love to have it. LOL, this made my day actually. Have you EVER tried a Tempest with a good setup?. If yes, tell me your setup and experience with the ship. And how much skills do you have in Minmatar Battleships?. Wanna try a Geddon, Abaddon, Mega, Scorp or a Raven against a Tempest pilot with an IQ higher than a monkey?. I bet you will facepalm a lot when you see how much a Tempest actually can take before it goes down. is this when you start telling how good your SISI tempest is?:D but yes, tempest is great ship, specialy vs support, it might not do much dps, but yo can neut and jamm and **:P Adapt or Die**
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.14 19:42:00 - [11] Edited by: NightmareX on 14/11/2008 19:43:44 Originally by: whisk Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 14/11/2008 19:33:33 Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Oh and it sucks with AC setups too. Every first tier bs except the scorpion has a setup that will pwn any tempest AC setup in a slug fight. That's how much of a sad little child the tempest has become. If anyone can prove me wrong, please post your setup here, I'd love to have it. LOL, this made my day actually. Have you EVER tried a Tempest with a good setup?. If yes, tell me your setup and experience with the ship. And how much skills do you have in Minmatar Battleships?. Wanna try a Geddon, Abaddon, Mega, Scorp or a Raven against a Tempest pilot with an IQ higher than a monkey?. I bet you will facepalm a lot when you see how much a Tempest actually can take before it goes down. is this when you start telling how good your SISI tempest is?:D Ehm no. Take the last Tempest i had, took a Blaster Mega pilot like 4 mins to take down my Tempest. He even had to use an armor rep pill to be able to survive me. But to bad, i didn't had one armor rep pill with me, and i forgot to overload my guns. If i have been doing that, the story would be something else, and i would win that fight then. But i only got 1 jam cycle on him though. So if i had got 1 or 2 more i would also win. Do you want fraps from that fight to?. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
Dianeces The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.14 19:48:00 - [12] Originally by: NightmareX But i only got 1 jam cycle on him though. So if i had got 1 or 2 more i would also win. Multispecs on everything. You heard it here first folks.
Amantus Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.11.14 19:54:00 - [13] Edited by: Amantus on 14/11/2008 19:54:37 CCP Zulupark said that it rocks. Thus, it rocks. Argument over. It's shit.
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.14 19:59:00 - [14] Edited by: NightmareX on 14/11/2008 20:00:47 Originally by: Amantus It's shit. I think it's you that are the ** with the Tempest. Originally by:** Dianeces Originally by: NightmareX But i only got 1 jam cycle on him though. So if i had got 1 or 2 more i would also win. Multispecs on everything. You heard it here first folks. Uhm, when you have 5 mid slots, then you have 5 mid slots.
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.14 20:09:00 - [15] My impression is that it is a good ship if you got the rather sick ammounts of SP it takes to utilize it properly. Ofcourse I do not fly it but thats what my tempest flying friends indicate :) When I say sick ammounts it is compared to any other T1 battlehip at a similar level of effectivness :)
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.11.14 20:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Hyveres My impression is that it is a good ship if you got the rather sick ammounts of SP it takes to utilize it properly. Ofcourse I do not fly it but thats what my tempest flying friends indicate :) When I say sick ammounts it is compared to any other T1 battlehip at a similar level of effectivness :) Which, really, is a roundabout way of saying it sucks. NightmareX, you are kind of proving what I said (scroll up). Anecdotal evidence means nothing. ----------------------
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.11.14 20:28:00 - [17] Poor lock range, poor optimal range, low dps are not compensated with a good alpha. . .especially since a tach-Abaddon will out alpha a tempest. -----------
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2008.11.14 20:38:00 - [18] Edited by: Vrabac on 14/11/2008 20:40:07 Originally by: NightmareX Take the last Tempest i had, took a Blaster Mega pilot like 4 mins to take down my Tempest. He even had to use an armor rep pill to be able to survive me. But to bad, i didn't had one armor rep pill with me, and i forgot to overload my guns. If i have been doing that, the story would be something else, and i would win that fight then. But i only got 1 jam cycle on him though. So if i had got 1 or 2 more i would also win. Do you want fraps from that fight to?. So you are proving that tempest is great for 1 vs 1 based on a 1 vs 1 that you actually lost against a blaster mega with repers and you had jammers fitted? Yes please provide us the fraps of a 1 vs 1 fight that you lost that will prove how good tempest is in 1 vs 1, with jammers fitted and all. P.S. To answer OP: not everything you read on forums is true. There are terrible terrible things written all over this place by people who manage to do it while still appearing "smart" to someone who's not familiar with subject.
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.14 20:51:00 - [19] Hey, i'm just trying to tell peoples to stop failing in the Tempest and use the ship like it should be used. And to the guy over here. Well it all depends on how much my ECM works. And i'm saying it again, and i hope i don't need to say it one more time. Auto Tempest is very effective in small scale pvp. It's there where is shines. But some funny guys here just think the Tempest must sucks only because it's not so good in sniping and that. Well 3 years with a Tempest should be enough to say how good the ship is.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2008.11.14 21:06:00 - [20] Originally by: NightmareX And to the guy over here. Well it all depends on how much my ECM works. So you are building your case of tempest being good around the random factor of how much non bonused ECM works? I can also show you fraps of tempests getting instapopped in both bigger and small scale fights, would that prove anything? I also once soloed raven with omen, does that prove something too?
TYCONDEROGA Amarr Malum Crusis IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.11.14 21:12:00 - [21] High: AC + Nuets Mids: Cap Booster + Sensor boosters + Web/Scram Lows: Plates/Tank/Gyros = win Versatility He who defends Everything, Defends Nothing!
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.14 21:17:00 - [22] Originally by: Vrabac Originally by: NightmareX And to the guy over here. Well it all depends on how much my ECM works. So you are building your case of tempest being good around the random factor of how much non bonused ECM works? I can also show you fraps of tempests getting instapopped in both bigger and small scale fights, would that prove anything? I also once soloed raven with omen, does that prove something too? The Heavy Neut and ECM is one of the things that are helping the Tempest to stay alive yeah. But ofc, Smart players -> Skilled players. And yeah, i have seen a Rifter solo a Megathron after the QR expansion though. Yes sir, Battleships are not solo pwn machines anylonger like they was. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
Nexus Kinnon Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.11.14 21:19:00 - [23] well you see i killed this guy on sisi in my tempest and that means its good youre just too stupid to use it properly tbh
Kery Syander The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.14 21:23:00 - [24] It's the best battleship because of how versatile it is. It can beat any other BS 1v1 every time. It's also the best example of CCP's developers being really smart and ignoring all the moronic whiners on the forums who complain that it's not good because it lacks things like damage or grid or the ability to fit a decent weapon system like lasers. Clearly, it is good because it's got so many slots all over, doesn't need to drain it's massive capacitor to fire it's guns, and it can change it's damage type mid fight. I know I personally love going into a fight with my AC pest and when my Uranium L isn't doing the trick, I can swap out to Titanium Sabot L or Proton L to do crazy amounts of damage. Also, it looks really cool which helps to validate my previous balance-related points. -----
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.11.14 21:45:00 - [25] Originally by: NightmareX Ehm no. Take the last Tempest i had, took a Blaster Mega pilot like 4 mins to take down my Tempest. He even had to use an armor rep pill to be able to survive me. But to bad, i didn't had one armor rep pill with me, and i forgot to overload my guns. If i have been doing that, the story would be something else, and i would win that fight then. But i only got 1 jam cycle on him though. So if i had got 1 or 2 more i would also win. Do you want fraps from that fight to?. If you fight in a tempest without slave set/implants/faction mods, how does it perform against similarly implantless BS. Having done that, how does it perform against slaved/crystalled/w/e implanted faction fit BS while remaining implantless itself. I am of the opinion that the tempest is possibly the best 1v1 ship in the game, but I can always find a better ship in small gang or fleet warfare. The reason I ask you to demonstrate results without all your fancy implants and faction mods(or w/e), is that if it massively underperforms without the advantage of tons of isk thrown at it, then it is not balanced. If however, you manage to win as much as you lose (against similarly skilled or at least competent pilots), then it is as you say, fine. This would also lend a greater degree of credibility to your (paraphrasing), 'look guys, I pwned all these people in my tempest', if you managed it without implants etc, and even perhaps against an opponent who has them while you do not. Disclaimer: tempest is ****in hawt
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:06:00 - [26] I'm not using implants at all, and i will never as long i'm a PVPer / Pirate. I was also using no implants in the fight with the Mega, and i was using pure t2 setup.
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:18:00 - [27] Originally by: NightmareX I'm not using implants at all, and i will never as long i'm a PVPer / Pirate. I was also using no implants in the fight with the Mega, and i was using pure t2 setup. Why do you reguarly get accused of using slave sets then? Moving to small gang, what niche do you fill that isn't filled better by a different BS, or rather, how is it better to bring a tempest than any other BS? Justify your position that Tempest != suck
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:26:00 - [28] Originally by: Captator Originally by: NightmareX I'm not using implants at all, and i will never as long i'm a PVPer / Pirate. I was also using no implants in the fight with the Mega, and i was using pure t2 setup. Why do you reguarly get accused of using slave sets then? Moving to small gang, what niche do you fill that isn't filled better by a different BS, or rather, how is it better to bring a tempest than any other BS? Justify your position that Tempest != suck They accuse me for that yeah, but no idea why they are doing it. Well at least, i can do a good job without slaves and that anyways in a Tempest.
Nexus Kinnon Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:51:00 - [29] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Captator Originally by: NightmareX I'm not using implants at all, and i will never as long i'm a PVPer / Pirate. I was also using no implants in the fight with the Mega, and i was using pure t2 setup. Why do you reguarly get accused of using slave sets then? Moving to small gang, what niche do you fill that isn't filled better by a different BS, or rather, how is it better to bring a tempest than any other BS? Justify your position that Tempest != suck They accuse me for that yeah, but no idea why they are doing it. Well at least, i can do a good job without slaves and that anyways in a Tempest. Since you missed the point of his post, I made it a bit more obvious for you.
whisk Gallente Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:56:00 - [30] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Captator Originally by: NightmareX I'm not using implants at all, and i will never as long i'm a PVPer / Pirate. I was also using no implants in the fight with the Mega, and i was using pure t2 setup. Why do you reguarly get accused of using slave sets then? Moving to small gang, what niche do you fill that isn't filled better by a different BS, or rather, how is it better to bring a tempest than any other BS? Justify your position that Tempest != suck They accuse me for that yeah, but no idea why they are doing it. Well at least, i can do a good job without slaves and that anyways in a Tempest. Since you missed the point of his post, I made it a bit more obvious for you. Desent DPS, no cap usage on guns, ability to use heany neuts, now that webs are nerfed, only bs that is good vs support versile justify your position that tempst = suck
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:56:00 - [31] Edited by: Siddy on 14/11/2008 23:00:12 Originally by: Jorah Vulture Okay, everyone seems to be whining about the tempest. BS sized minnie guns suck, it's a hevavy ship, duct tape, etc. But, from time to time, I spot comments like "obviously tempest is the best 1v1 battleship" and "tempest excels at sniping". What the hell is going on with the tempest? Is it good or bad? that was back 2005-6 tempest blows now. Bad active tank Bad ehp tank Worst DPS of all tier2 BS's despite 2 damage bonuses too bad slot layout to armor or shield tank well with pvp mods ...shall i go one? only cons is that it got 2 somewhat useless after nos nerf utility slots. Neuts hit PG too hard. Typhoon does all beter and cheeper oh and i am one of the best tempest pilots on TQ - i can tell you tempest is but a pale shadow of its former glory.
whisk Gallente Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:58:00 - [32] Originally by: Siddy Originally by: Jorah Vulture Okay, everyone seems to be whining about the tempest. BS sized minnie guns suck, it's a hevavy ship, duct tape, etc. But, from time to time, I spot comments like "obviously tempest is the best 1v1 battleship" and "tempest excels at sniping". What the hell is going on with the tempest? Is it good or bad? that was back 2005-6 tempest blows now. Bad active tank Bad ehp tank Worst DPS of all tier2 BS's despite 2 damage bonuses too bad slor layout to armor or shield tank well with pvp mods ...shall i go one? only cons is that it got 2 somewhat useless after nos nerf utility slots. Neuts hit PG too hard. Typhoon does all beter and cheeper did siddy get ebayed?
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:59:00 - [33] Originally by: whisk Originally by: Siddy Originally by: Jorah Vulture Okay, everyone seems to be whining about the tempest. BS sized minnie guns suck, it's a hevavy ship, duct tape, etc. But, from time to time, I spot comments like "obviously tempest is the best 1v1 battleship" and "tempest excels at sniping". What the hell is going on with the tempest? Is it good or bad? that was back 2005-6 tempest blows now. Bad active tank Bad ehp tank Worst DPS of all tier2 BS's despite 2 damage bonuses too bad slor layout to armor or shield tank well with pvp mods ...shall i go one? only cons is that it got 2 somewhat useless after nos nerf utility slots. Neuts hit PG too hard. Typhoon does all beter and cheeper did siddy get ebayed? no, i just remeber tempest when i used it back in m0o and how it blows now...
whisk Gallente Quam Singulari Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Siddy Originally by: whisk Originally by: Siddy Originally by: Jorah Vulture Okay, everyone seems to be whining about the tempest. BS sized minnie guns suck, it's a hevavy ship, duct tape, etc. But, from time to time, I spot comments like "obviously tempest is the best 1v1 battleship" and "tempest excels at sniping". What the hell is going on with the tempest? Is it good or bad? that was back 2005-6 tempest blows now. Bad active tank Bad ehp tank Worst DPS of all tier2 BS's despite 2 damage bonuses too bad slor layout to armor or shield tank well with pvp mods ...shall i go one? only cons is that it got 2 somewhat useless after nos nerf utility slots. Neuts hit PG too hard. Typhoon does all beter and cheeper did siddy get ebayed? no, i just remeber tempest when i used it back in m0o and how it blows now... give it another try? it can do what no other nonfaction bs does ( read above) it most surtenly do not blow, and got better after patch ( because gallente got worse)
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:03:00 - [35] well, now it can survive against torp ravens and even use AB for its advantage. but im shure it was not intentional and will be nerffed asap. cause EHP tank > tempest.
DamienV CAD Inc. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Sokratesz Tempest is a bad sniper actually, needs grid mod, lacks targeting range and large artillery is just ****. Unless you go with a terribly expensive or strange set-up it's unlikely to to well against the average other BS, too. So yeah tempest still sux. I usually agree with you, but here I disagree. Pest is IMO the BEST sniper out there. I am consistantly top damage dealer whenever I fly it in fleet. I have even outdamaged a dread with it before (yes the BS's were firing at the tower before the dreads, but a corpie and I, both in pests, still managed to do tons more damage than any other bs.)
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:16:00 - [37] Edited by: Siddy on 14/11/2008 23:16:03 Originally by: DamienV Originally by: Sokratesz Tempest is a bad sniper actually, needs grid mod, lacks targeting range and large artillery is just ****. Unless you go with a terribly expensive or strange set-up it's unlikely to to well against the average other BS, too. So yeah tempest still sux. I usually agree with you, but here I disagree. Pest is IMO the BEST sniper out there. I am consistantly top damage dealer whenever I fly it in fleet. I have even outdamaged a dread with it before (yes the BS's were firing at the tower before the dreads, but a corpie and I, both in pests, still managed to do tons more damage than any other bs.) yeah but exe dreads dont fit siege module :/ Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:32:00 - [38] There are two types of people: 1. Those that (ab)use the strong sides of each ship 2. Those that shoe horn ships into roles they can't fill Guess wich ones the tempest whiners belong to? Especially after patch.
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:38:00 - [39] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer There are two types of people: 1. Those that (ab)use the strong sides of each ship 2. Those that shoe horn ships into roles they can't fill Guess wich ones the tempest whiners belong to? Especially after patch. im the first one ofc, im using tempests for mineral recycling. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:48:00 - [40] Originally by: Siddy Originally by: Lyria Skydancer There are two types of people: 1. Those that (ab)use the strong sides of each ship 2. Those that shoe horn ships into roles they can't fill Guess wich ones the tempest whiners belong to? Especially after patch. im the first one ofc, im using tempests for mineral recycling. I see what you did there!
nakKEDK Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.15 00:23:00 - [41] Originally by: Gneeznow its good if you know how to fly it and have good skills for it, its bad if you ask anyone on the forums. THIS 5 Meds and 2x utility high slots is hot. just need to know how to fly it Its bad at sniping though: Alot of falloff is bad when using tracking computers and tracking enhancer the DPS The tracking Low ammo
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.15 00:24:00 - [42] tempest sucks for fleet fights due to lack of dps, ehp and range. Only fleet fight where it performs around same as the other races bs's is remote rep gangs (2 highs for reppers and capless weapons). still workable but worst of all the races to fly in fleet, only fly it if you like minmatar from rp perspective or you can't fly nothing else. Never flown arty pest but apperantly it's ability to maneuver and it's decent range with falloff as well as abililty to fit and use 2 neuts makes it a real ***** in 1v1's. It can just kite you while slowly working you down with its guns, I also heard people say it can easily kill ravens and even bana boats in 1v1's. so is it good or bad? it's both depending on the situation. Problem is it's only good in 1v1's and small scale engagements which are a pretty small part of eve, or at least that's my opinion.
kessah The Accursed	Posted - 2008.11.15 00:28:00 - [43] I personally dont care what the Dev's or the balancing team say. Unless there using the ship without using its bonuses, then it rubbish. It has no logical choice over other battleships. Perhaps im looking at this as a Crossed trained player, so if your a strict minmatar bs pilot then im sure you'll make good of it. But! eventually you will get sick of being outclass, i can get a half decent setup out of it, but there are better battleships to do it in other races, its not enough to say its a good ship and be done with it. The Dev's or balancing team have just said its ok. Thats not convincing me at all tbh, i like most of you play this game live on tranq, i not sure what eve release the dev's and balancing team are playing tbh.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2008.11.15 00:38:00 - [44] Originally by: Typhado3 Only fleet fight where it performs around same as the other races bs's is remote rep gangs (2 highs for reppers and capless weapons). No it doesnt. It sucks there, hard.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.15 00:42:00 - [45] Originally by: kessah i not sure what eve release the dev's and balancing team are playing tbh. they are playing on sisi with nightmareXxXx with HG slaves in and all 5% hardwirings ofc (couldnt resist)
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.15 02:03:00 - [46] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: kessah i not sure what eve release the dev's and balancing team are playing tbh. they are playing on sisi with nightmareXxXx with HG slaves in and all 5% hardwirings ofc (couldnt resist) LOL Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
God's Secret	Posted - 2008.11.15 02:09:00 - [47] Originally by: Vrabac Originally by: Typhado3 Only fleet fight where it performs around same as the other races bs's is remote rep gangs (2 highs for reppers and capless weapons). No it doesnt. It sucks there, hard. It underperforms all the other sniping bs platforms(mega, apoc, rokh) for a simple reason.. it cannot fit a full rack of 1400's+mwd without fitting mods/rigs, unlike the mega witch does.. and the other two that compensate the need for fitting mods with awesome sniping bonuses.. But in terms of being an efficient RR bs, i don't agree.. is the single best(non faction/t2) bs RR platform.. it can fit and sustain 2 large RR's whille still fitting a full rack of 800's and it doesn't have the cpu issues of the Mega/Geddon.. Anyway, it makes for the best RR bs imo... even so, it needs a little more powergrid for the 1400's to play on relative even terms with the other tier 2 bs's.. btw how you doin Vrab?
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2008.11.15 02:53:00 - [48] Originally by: God's Secret But in terms of being an efficient RR bs, i don't agree.. is the single best(non faction/t2) bs RR platform.. it can fit and sustain 2 large RR's whille still fitting a full rack of 800's and it doesn't have the cpu issues of the Mega/Geddon.. Anyway, it makes for the best RR bs imo... even so, it needs a little more powergrid for the 1400's to play on relative even terms with the other tier 2 bs's.. btw how you doin Vrab? In all my so far experiences fighting in remote reping gangs and occasionally leading them, I can only say I'm greatly unimpressed by tempest. I dont like having them on my side, but I like shooting them. Reasons are many, but it's mostly down to low dps, low ehp and the fact that 2 remote reps dont help if they all die in the first minute of the fight. It's basically weakest armor tanking rring battleship I'm aware of. Cpu issues are solved with adaptive nano platings, doing BCish dps with full rack of 800s and 2 gyros is a bit trickier to fix. Oh, and I'm doing pretty well.
God's Secret	Posted - 2008.11.15 03:08:00 - [49] Originally by: Vrabac Originally by: God's Secret But in terms of being an efficient RR bs, i don't agree.. is the single best(non faction/t2) bs RR platform.. it can fit and sustain 2 large RR's whille still fitting a full rack of 800's and it doesn't have the cpu issues of the Mega/Geddon.. Anyway, it makes for the best RR bs imo... even so, it needs a little more powergrid for the 1400's to play on relative even terms with the other tier 2 bs's.. btw how you doin Vrab? In all my so far experiences fighting in remote reping gangs and occasionally leading them, I can only say I'm greatly unimpressed by tempest. I dont like having them on my side, but I like shooting them. Reasons are many, but it's mostly down to low dps, low ehp and the fact that 2 remote reps dont help if they all die in the first minute of the fight. It's basically weakest armor tanking rring battleship I'm aware of. Cpu issues are solved with adaptive nano platings, doing BCish dps with full rack of 800s and 2 gyros is a bit trickier to fix. Oh, and I'm doing pretty well. I hapen to be very fond of it, 21k armor with 2 eanm II's a dc II, while dishing just shy of 900 dps with Hail.. all t2, witch is not the 1100+ of the Mega or the geddon.. but keeping 2 remote reps while shooting Blasters/Pulses is not realistic for those ships.. Glad to hear you're doing well
Mutabae	Posted - 2008.11.15 04:21:00 - [50] That the Pest can fill a couple roles adequately and one or two roles well does not mean it's a good ship. It's mediocre in most roles vs other equivalent tier BSs (and at least one lower tier BS) and is saved from being *utter rubbish* only by its narrow success in one or two roles. I can think of situations where a blaster Deimos is great but that doesn't mean it's not one of the worst hacs, because it's outperformed in so many other ways and situations by its direct and indirect competition. It sucks like the Pest sucks: In the context of real Eve play and commonly encountered situations on TQ, not in some fanciful pick-your-engagement SiSi/this one time at bandcamp. I can't wrap my head around how Mostly Poorer Than Other BSs doesn't mean the Pest sucks. Are we talking about the same 'sucks'... (a la ****)?
Kuzya Morozov Gallente L8L8L8	Posted - 2008.11.15 04:22:00 - [51] posting in a Siddy thread ...
yrknat	Posted - 2008.11.15 06:11:00 - [52] I prefer the phoon for RR gangs. 4 torps, 2ACs, 2 reps. and 7 lows for better resists. You end up with more damage with real damage selection, and better tank, hell you even lock faster.
DamienV CAD Inc. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.15 06:25:00 - [53] Edited by: DamienV on 15/11/2008 06:25:11 Originally by: Siddy Edited by: Siddy on 14/11/2008 23:17:55 Edited by: Siddy on 14/11/2008 23:16:03 Originally by: DamienV Originally by: Sokratesz Tempest is a bad sniper actually, needs grid mod, lacks targeting range and large artillery is just ****. Unless you go with a terribly expensive or strange set-up it's unlikely to to well against the average other BS, too. So yeah tempest still sux. I usually agree with you, but here I disagree. Pest is IMO the BEST sniper out there. I am consistantly top damage dealer whenever I fly it in fleet. I have even outdamaged a dread with it before (yes the BS's were firing at the tower before the dreads, but a corpie and I, both in pests, still managed to do tons more damage than any other bs.) yeah but exe dreads dont fit siege module :/ jokes aside, thats not true, since lasers outdamage you due no reload time... towers dont die fast correction, skunk-works dreads dont fit siege :) but ya, pests>apocs TBH http://killboard.executive-outcomes.info/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=45556
Elapidae	Posted - 2008.11.15 07:19:00 - [54] Originally by: DamienV correction, skunk-works dreads dont fit siege :) but ya, pests>apocs TBH http://killboard.executive-outcomes.info/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=45556 a random KM tells very little. what really happened is those 2 pests were shooting the tower while everyone else was still shooting enemy ships
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.15 07:23:00 - [55] Typhoon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempest, for RR platform Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2008.11.15 09:39:00 - [56] Originally by: God's Secret I hapen to be very fond of it, 21k armor with 2 eanm II's a dc II, while dishing just shy of 900 dps with Hail.. all t2, witch is not the 1100+ of the Mega or the geddon.. but keeping 2 remote reps while shooting Blasters/Pulses is not realistic for those ships.. Glad to hear you're doing well Both 21k armor and 900dps are low. 900dps with hail is actually very bad since it gives you 3 km optimal. Meaning you have to move a lot, reducing the use and benefit or remote reping. Typhoon is definitely superior in rring gang. It can do more damage, has more tank, can have up to 4 remote reps without sacrificing too much offensive potential, while having less need to move around.
Scots Crusader Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2008.11.15 10:15:00 - [57] As I see it, the Tempest not so much sucks as it is out performed by the other Minnie BS in every situation that it can be used in. Up close the Phoon wins both with cap warfare and DPS if you want. Maelstrom will out tank and out DPS(by miles) with only downside being you need tackle help. In the sniper role there is no really good Minnie BS. Mael out alpha's it but is not great with slot lay out and the sheild tank bonus. If truth be told, I prefer the Pest as the sniper just for slot layout and the fact that it is more maneuverable than the Mael, but on paper, Mael out performs it. Before anyone askes, yes Minnie BS 5 and all gunnery skills(apart from SPEC 5) maxed. ----------------------------------------------- O wad some power, the giftie gie us, To see oursels as ithers see
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.15 10:28:00 - [58] The fact is: tempest is the coolest looking BS.
Sweet Laylah	Posted - 2008.11.15 10:41:00 - [59] Edited by: Sweet Laylah on 15/11/2008 10:42:09 It strikes me there is way too many people in this thread saying 'yeh tempest is good, if you know how to use it' and then not saying how to use it. Proof or STFU :) I'm a pest lover BTW, I just loath smug bastards who say they know what's best but won't prove it.
Ethen Bejorn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.11.15 11:04:00 - [60] Tempest is the worst sniper ship these days. Plain and simple.
EmoKidWithKantana Filthy Scum	Posted - 2008.11.15 11:14:00 - [61] I enjoy the tempest, srsly, i do (I HAS SAILS!) It looks good, it's somewhat more agile then the competition and the utility slots can be quite nifty and allow for some funny combinations, also, it wiggles in station However, i'l take a Maelstrom any day, due to the great and relible tank together with delicius 800mm fun Personaly, i'd like to see the tempest get some sort of a advantage over the Mael, it just feels like a tiny kid with a slightly bigger backpack to fit strange gadgets (sticks, extra clothing or perhaps if lucky a gun)compared to a heuge athletic kid The tinyer kid is going to be left in the shadow when doing somthing that actually require strength and muscles Let me describe what i mean with a less insane example... The mega's ability to track better then the hyp, the ravens ability to do nutty damage compared to the rokh with close range angry torps and the apoc's aibility to hit further over the 'baddon, if a bit limping in terms of damage Some sort of reason to fly the pest (apart from sails!) would be awsome
Speedie Tappaja Minmatar Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.15 11:24:00 - [62] Originally by: DamienV Edited by: DamienV on 15/11/2008 06:25:11 Originally by: Siddy Edited by: Siddy on 14/11/2008 23:17:55 Edited by: Siddy on 14/11/2008 23:16:03 Originally by: DamienV Originally by: Sokratesz Tempest is a bad sniper actually, needs grid mod, lacks targeting range and large artillery is just ****. Unless you go with a terribly expensive or strange set-up it's unlikely to to well against the average other BS, too. So yeah tempest still sux. I usually agree with you, but here I disagree. Pest is IMO the BEST sniper out there. I am consistantly top damage dealer whenever I fly it in fleet. I have even outdamaged a dread with it before (yes the BS's were firing at the tower before the dreads, but a corpie and I, both in pests, still managed to do tons more damage than any other bs.) yeah but exe dreads dont fit siege module :/ jokes aside, thats not true, since lasers outdamage you due no reload time... towers dont die fast correction, skunk-works dreads dont fit siege :) but ya, pests>apocs TBH http://killboard.executive-outcomes.info/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=45556 7 gun apoc is 7 gun apoc. 8 guns is different story ;). and tempest is fun ship to fly but it aint the best sniper out there. close range tempest is nice with the slot layout.
Sila Fang Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.15 17:13:00 - [63] tempest, ACs in the highs, 2 neuts 2 webs, a 22km point, an injector and an MB/MWD 2 1600mm plates (yes, 2 of them) 2 EANM, 1 DCU and a gyro (or 3rd plate if you really like EHP) 3x CCC it is great fun to fly, has a tone of EHP, and will take almost any other BS down, as long as it now super gank fitted. best for fighting on gates in 0.0, where you attack people jumping in, as there your speed does not penalise you as much. using barrage gets you a very nice long range, even though you lose dmage on falloff. I'm sure there are better BS out there, and the tempest could do with some lovin, but it is not broken. Feel free to flame my fit BTW.
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.15 17:42:00 - [64] Originally by: Sila Fang tempest, ACs in the highs, 2 neuts 2 webs, a 22km point, an injector and an MB/MWD 2 1600mm plates (yes, 2 of them) 2 EANM, 1 DCU and a gyro (or 3rd plate if you really like EHP) 3x CCC it is great fun to fly, has a tone of EHP, and will take almost any other BS down, as long as it now super gank fitted. best for fighting on gates in 0.0, where you attack people jumping in, as there your speed does not penalise you as much. using barrage gets you a very nice long range, even though you lose dmage on falloff. I'm sure there are better BS out there, and the tempest could do with some lovin, but it is not broken. Feel free to flame my fit BTW. lol no. Typhoon > This fit. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
MigG176	Posted - 2008.11.15 18:10:00 - [65] All those chars that post with their criticism should be made to post their SP's of the character they fly the Tempest with so that we could gauge whether it is the ship or just their rubbish Skill points thats the problem. You need high SP to fly the tempest effectively, smiple as that!
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.15 18:45:00 - [66] Originally by: MigG176 All those chars that post with their criticism should be made to post their SP's of the character they fly the Tempest with so that we could gauge whether it is the ship or just their rubbish Skill points thats the problem. You need high SP to fly the tempest effectively, smiple as that! Oh hi, have a look at this (my minnie pilot), and tell me where I need to improve my skills to make the tempest awesome.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.15 18:49:00 - [67] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: MigG176 All those chars that post with their criticism should be made to post their SP's of the character they fly the Tempest with so that we could gauge whether it is the ship or just their rubbish Skill points thats the problem. You need high SP to fly the tempest effectively, smiple as that! Oh hi, have a look at this (my minnie pilot), and tell me where I need to improve my skills to make the tempest awesome. you need long range targetting 5 stupid
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.15 18:49:00 - [68] Originally by: MigG176 All those chars that post with their criticism should be made to post their SP's of the character they fly the Tempest with so that we could gauge whether it is the ship or just their rubbish Skill points thats the problem. You need high SP to fly the tempest effectively, smiple as that! 70m SP 14,5m gunnery assorted skills lvl 5 for all fitting/speed/agility/engineeering and mechanic. lvl 5 at BS. Same on Megatron. And i prefer my not lvl 5 armageddon over mega and then tempest. Arma > Typhoon > mega >>>>>domi>>> tempest. Tempest dont exell in anything, and while back in the days it culd use the "jack of all trades" reick, buy atacking enemy ships weakneses. Now the weakneses of other ships are so negleightable compared to the strenght's that tempest got no biting edge left. IE, capacitor has become meanigles asset in Fights - everything is duracell runned with 100k EHP to back it up. All cap goes to guns, and guns dont eat thatmuch cap on Amarr ships with assorted skills trained on 5. (even with amarr BS lvl 4...)
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.11.15 18:54:00 - [69] Originally by: MigG176 All those chars that post with their criticism should be made to post their SP's of the character they fly the Tempest with so that we could gauge whether it is the ship or just their rubbish Skill points thats the problem. You need high SP to fly the tempest effectively, smiple as that! Tempest sucks. Here are my skills.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.15 18:55:00 - [70] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: MigG176 All those chars that post with their criticism should be made to post their SP's of the character they fly the Tempest with so that we could gauge whether it is the ship or just their rubbish Skill points thats the problem. You need high SP to fly the tempest effectively, smiple as that! Oh hi, have a look at this (my minnie pilot), and tell me where I need to improve my skills to make the tempest awesome. you need long range targetting 5 stupid d'oh
Skallebank Minmatar Mentis Fidelis Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.11.15 18:55:00 - [71] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 14/11/2008 14:37:06 I can to some point agree that Tempest doesn't shine so much with Artilleries. But i still use Artypest in fleet fights anyways, because the Tempest is very fun to use. Sok can confirm that i ONLY use Tempest's in fleet fights. I love it when we are in so big gang that we are 1 volley a battleship target and where i'm on top of the killmail because of my alpha strike. But then, Autopest now is very good in 1 vs 1 fights. Not that you will get into may of those fights. But like my Tempest, with the setup i use on my Autopest, it's both very good in 1 vs 1 fights and in small scale PVP fights. To be very good and effective in the Tempest, you need to be very specializated and very experienced with the Tempest before you can do a good job in the ship. Like me, i only need to take the Large Autocannon Specialization skill from level 4 to 5, and then i'm maxed with the Autopest. But if your new to the Tempest, i would not recommend the ship to you to begin with. I have to agree the tempest is a great ship , and the dps is alot higher then people expect , add to that faction emp or exp ammo and it just tears up armor tanks. I find it fine for sniping also, btw I havnt been in a well commanded sniper fleet yet that operates outside 170 km . ohh and to the guy who says an abbadon can out alpha a tempest well duh a abbadon has 2 more guns . try it against a maelstrom.
Traderboz	Posted - 2008.11.15 19:13:00 - [72] Originally by: Sweet Laylah Edited by: Sweet Laylah on 15/11/2008 10:42:09 It strikes me there is way too many people in this thread saying 'yeh tempest is good, if you know how to use it' and then not saying how to use it. Proof or STFU :) I'm a pest lover BTW, I just loath smug bastards who say they know what's best but won't prove it. It seems the way to use it is on SiSi 1v1's and losing to Mega's on Tranq.
Karenzi No Trademark	Posted - 2008.11.15 19:55:00 - [73] Edited by: Karenzi on 15/11/2008 19:56:05 Originally by: Sila Fang tempest, ACs in the highs, 2 neuts 2 webs, a 22km point, an injector and an MB/MWD 2 1600mm plates (yes, 2 of them) 2 EANM, 1 DCU and a gyro (or 3rd plate if you really like EHP) 3x CCC it is great fun to fly, has a tone of EHP, and will take almost any other BS down, as long as it now super gank fitted. best for fighting on gates in 0.0, where you attack people jumping in, as there your speed does not penalise you as much. using barrage gets you a very nice long range, even though you lose dmage on falloff. I'm sure there are better BS out there, and the tempest could do with some lovin, but it is not broken. Feel free to flame my fit BTW. this is just another reason the tempest is terrible: people who fly them dont even have a clue. its embarrassing.
Sila Fang Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.15 20:55:00 - [74] Originally by: Karenzi Edited by: Karenzi on 15/11/2008 19:56:05 Originally by: Sila Fang tempest, ACs in the highs, 2 neuts 2 webs, a 22km point, an injector and an MB/MWD 2 1600mm plates (yes, 2 of them) 2 EANM, 1 DCU and a gyro (or 3rd plate if you really like EHP) 3x CCC it is great fun to fly, has a tone of EHP, and will take almost any other BS down, as long as it now super gank fitted. best for fighting on gates in 0.0, where you attack people jumping in, as there your speed does not penalise you as much. using barrage gets you a very nice long range, even though you lose dmage on falloff. I'm sure there are better BS out there, and the tempest could do with some lovin, but it is not broken. Feel free to flame my fit BTW. this is just another reason the tempest is terrible: people who fly them dont even have a clue. its embarrassing. As i stated, this is not an uber solo pvp pwnmobile setup, its a fun thing to fly for pvp on gates in 0.0. Deals with most BS quite effectively, though it suffers vs high dps ships. Vs Amarr BS if your opponent dioes not have an injector, you have won. vs gallente now you can outmanoevre them due to dual webs. against a sniper Rokh, you just warp out, and ravens are not very useful against it. (have not faced a web + TP torp gank raven before, not sure how it would do against that. All in all this fit is not about being cutting edge, its about having great pvp vs BS. So, great lord of tempest fittings, give us yours then.
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.15 20:59:00 - [75] Edited by: Siddy on 15/11/2008 21:03:20 Originally by: Skallebank ohh and to the guy who says an abbadon can out alpha a tempest well duh a abbadon has 2 more guns . try it against a maelstrom. MATH TIME Tempest 6 guns x 25% Damage = 7,5 Alpha Mael 8 guns x 1% Damage = 8 Alpha /edit:yes, clearly mael is a Alpha monster in dier need of nerf...
Yakov Draken Minmatar Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.11.15 21:05:00 - [76] Originally by: Siddy Typhoon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempest, for RR platform Why? Well, ze missiles that dont track and take 0 cap and can shoot any damagetype. And large drone bay, that guarantee raven like DPS at RR gangs most preferred ranges. More EHP on the plases that matters with 7 lows and 4 mids is perfect. I flown a Tempest in RR gangs a lot and it has been a mediocre but useful ships so I trained for the Typhoon. Went out in my Phoon o' Doom post patch and was rather dissapointed with its damage numbers in combat. I have basically max skills for either. The Tempest is easy to fit, has 2 utility slots for neuts/RR's, and has 5 mids - which we have found more important post patch than before. EFT damage is poor but somehow it seems to do decent damage on killmails. The Typhoon is expensive to fit well (read faction mods), has a heap of "utility" highs for neuts and RR's, but can get into trouble in small RR gangs due to need for a TP (or two) plus plenty of webs in gang. If you are facing Falcons (you often will be) you want an ECCM in your mids and then the mid slot squeeze really kicks in. In a large gang I'd go Phoon every time but in a small RR gang the Tempest does a solid job post patch in my experiance. I really want my Phoon to be great but so far it has been a bit meh in small gangs. We are still working on our post patch mid slots for our small gangs so hopefully things will get better for my Phoon. My Tempest setup: [Tempest, Plate x1, remote rep x2 gyro x2] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 Ogre II x2 105k EHP 881 dps My Phoon setup: [Typhoon, plated T2 launchers 2x remotes Neut] Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Faint Warp Prohibitor I Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 126k EHP 961 dps While the Phoon is better in terms of theoretical gank/tank the Pest puts its damage on faster and has more mid slot utility in the gang while the Phoon uses up gang mid slots to do max damage. Also my gun implants are better than my missile ones due to flying Hurricanes/Vaga's/Ruptures which makes a decent sized difference in the Pests favor. My Tempest did almost get melted by a solo Mega on a gate the other day while waiting for some RR loving so it is not so good for initiating a fight. Our Domi pilot still laughs at me over that incident.
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.15 21:10:00 - [77] How you figure you get you 800 odd dps since you fight every time in falloff? youll be lucky to get 700dps
Ambere Ataron	Posted - 2008.11.15 21:14:00 - [78] Honestly the tempest is not nearly as **** poor as people are claiming it to be. Granted its not a meal but it can still do some serious dirt. That said the typical repper/ac setup is not how I fly it; I use something more off the wall... Shield tank The setup is not uber 1v1 or solopwn wagon but honestly this is eve its all about the numbers. High slots: 6x T2 800mm AC's Midslots: 1x T2 XL booster, 1x T2 cap injector, T2 ab, 2x T2 invul Lowslots: 3x T2 gyro, 1x T2 dcu, 2x T2 tracking enhancer Rigs: 2x Em resistance 1x Therm resistance rigs(shield of course) you best have overloading skill lvl 4-5 just over heat your guns and lay waste with the rest of your gang. And if your worried about the lack of a point i must ask wtf is wrong with your gang that a bs is being relied on for point...
Yakov Draken Minmatar Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.11.15 21:16:00 - [79] Originally by: Siddy How you figure you get you 800 odd dps since you fight every time in falloff? youll be lucky to get 700dps I don't fight in fall off in small gang RR warfare. I generally fight at 2-5k range with my Mega/Domi/Tempest buddies. Even if the fights starts at 10-14k range on a gate it rapidly shifts to close range pwn face.
Yakov Draken Minmatar Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.11.15 21:19:00 - [80] Originally by: Ambere Ataron if your worried about the lack of a point i must ask wtf is wrong with your gang that a bs is being relied on for point... I fly in small gangs and I want to be able to put a point on as many ships in the opposing gang as possible so yes I want a point on my BS. Add in the times when its necessary to split forces to catch someone and I like lots of points in a small gang.
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.15 21:22:00 - [81] i love how people are trying to adress my points by giving me advises how to fly tempest Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Ambere Ataron	Posted - 2008.11.15 21:22:00 - [82] Originally by: Yakov Draken Originally by: Ambere Ataron if your worried about the lack of a point i must ask wtf is wrong with your gang that a bs is being relied on for point... I fly in small gangs and I want to be able to put a point on as many ships in the opposing gang as possible so yes I want a point on my BS. Add in the times when its necessary to split forces to catch someone and I like lots of points in a small gang. true, drop the ab then and load barrage ammo. LIke i stated its not the greatest ship but it works
Yakov Draken Minmatar Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.11.15 21:25:00 - [83] Originally by: Siddy i love how people are trying to adress my points by giving me advises how to fly tempest I'm not - you asked how I get the damage I told you how I get it. Dunno what you do or where you fly. I'm a low sec pirate and I have no idea if how we fly corresponds to your experience.
MigG176	Posted - 2008.11.16 01:09:00 - [84] Edited by: MigG176 on 16/11/2008 01:10:23 Interesting, Most chars are from other races that i doubt has the skills for the tempest. Specially with them SPs, if training both or more. My main have 39,903,061 sp only in mini ship skills and combat and is quite successful.
abrasive soap HOMELESS.	Posted - 2008.11.16 01:22:00 - [85] Edited by: abrasive soap on 16/11/2008 01:26:12 Tempest is a fat hurricane; Make xl shield extenders and problem solved. edit: disregard that, its a terrible idea
irion felpamy Minmatar HellJumpers Corp United For 0rder	Posted - 2008.11.16 01:41:00 - [86] Originally by: nakKEDK Originally by: Gneeznow its good if you know how to fly it and have good skills for it, its bad if you ask anyone on the forums. THIS 5 Meds and 2x utility high slots is hot. just need to know how to fly it Its bad at sniping though: Alot of falloff is bad when using tracking computers and tracking enhancer the DPS The tracking Low ammo Every BS has 2 or more utility highs. its just some of them can fit guns instead if they want.
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.11.16 01:56:00 - [87] Yakov, the minmatar sensor strength type is LADAR. Might wanna change your setup. Originally by: MigG176 Edited by: MigG176 on 16/11/2008 01:10:23 Interesting, Most chars are from other races that i doubt has the skills for the tempest. Specially with them SPs, if training both or more. My main have 39,903,061 sp only in mini ship skills and combat and is quite successful. Since when has the race of a character determined the ships they fly? And argument from authority isn't going to fly here. No one's personal success (or lack thereof), no matter how epic, means diddly squat when it comes to balance. With a better ship, it is easier to achieve success. The two most important criteria by which any close range battleship is judged are 1. its ability to withstand damage and 2. its ability to deal damage. In addition to these primary functions, battleships may have secondary functions such as limited electronic or capacitor warfare. Excellence in secondary functions may make up for small shortcomings in primary functions, but never replace them unless the ship is dedicated to that job (scorpion, nos domi). The Tempest is a ship with increased ability to perform secondary functions: it has an extra utility hislot compared to Megathron and Armageddon (the competing close range turret battleships of other races; note however that Raven has 2 utility hislots aswell). It also has 5 midslots, which enables limited use of EW/anti-EW or improved tackling. For these advantages, the Tempest gives up tanking ability (only 6 lows), damage (lower base damage than all the other weapon systems) and range* (least damage of all weapon types within scrambling distance). * Although it should be noted that unlike blasters, autocannons can hit beyond 30km, although their damage at that range is appalling, increasingly so through falloff progression while pulses reach 98% of their range with more than triple the damage up to (at least) 45 km. And javelin torps reach pretty far, too. And blasters get more tracking (esp with Mega's bonus) The price it pays for what it gets is not balanced. It loses much more than it gains. That is the problem with Tempest. The ratio needs to be adjusted. One solution that could be considered is improving the optimal range on autocannon close range ammunition, reducing the amount of penalty they take in the way of falloff within the key operational range that is roughly scrambling (or disrupting to be more accurate) distance aswell as possibly increasing the base damage on ammo (and unnerfing Hail?). Adding another turret hardpoint could also be part of a good solution (for example because the tradeoff would be one less utility hislot and because it would make the Tempest a better sniper than Maelstrom and because it wouldn't force anyone to fit the 7th turret who likes the current 6+2). ----------------------
Thercon Jair Minmatar InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.11.16 02:09:00 - [88] Please, stop wondering why the tempest as a fleet sniper still manages to get on top of some killmails. Have you ever looked at how most fleet ships are fitted? Buffer tank that consists of a 1600mm RT plate and a DCU II, mostly. Most ships, safe for the caldari boats, are armor buffer tanked in fleets, leaving them with about 20% (probably going against 30% on amarr ships) armor explosive resistances, thus making up for your lower base damage output. It's a whole other story with properly tanked ships outside of large fleets. The difference between the different resistances will start to decrease, thus getting you a bit behind the other ships.
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.16 02:14:00 - [89] Well, i kinda have a proof now that the damage output on a Sniper Tempest is not to joke about. Was shooting a POS today with 161 guys heh, and guess who one of the top 3 guys are on that list?, yes it's me in my Tempest. Link to the killmail is HERE. We all warped into that POS at the same time, was then 3 mins left of the reinforced time. And the seconds after the reinforced timer was over, we was all shooting it. I'm just outdamaged by 25k damage, so that's NOT much. Maybe that tells me why there are so many Tempest's in our fleets. Still someone that have some extremely ******ed reasons why a Sniper Tempest doesn't have good damage?.
MigG176	Posted - 2008.11.16 02:19:00 - [90] Originally by: Jin Entres Yakov, the minmatar sensor strength type is LADAR. Might wanna change your setup. Originally by: MigG176 Edited by: MigG176 on 16/11/2008 01:10:23 Interesting, Most chars are from other races that i doubt has the skills for the tempest. Specially with them SPs, if training both or more. My main have 39,903,061 sp only in mini ship skills and combat and is quite successful. Since when has the race of a character determined the ships they fly? And argument from authority isn't going to fly here. No one's personal success (or lack thereof), no matter how epic, means diddly squat when it comes to balance. With a better ship, it is easier to achieve success. The two most important criteria by which any close range battleship is judged are 1. its ability to withstand damage and 2. its ability to deal damage. In addition to these primary functions, battleships may have secondary functions such as limited electronic or capacitor warfare. Excellence in secondary functions may make up for small shortcomings in primary functions, but never replace them unless the ship is dedicated to that job (scorpion, nos domi). The Tempest is a ship with increased ability to perform secondary functions: it has an extra utility hislot compared to Megathron and Armageddon (the competing close range turret battleships of other races; note however that Raven has 2 utility hislots aswell). It also has 5 midslots, which enables limited use of EW/anti-EW or improved tackling. For these advantages, the Tempest gives up tanking ability (only 6 lows), damage (lower base damage than all the other weapon systems) and range* (least damage of all weapon types within scrambling distance). * Although it should be noted that unlike blasters, autocannons can hit beyond 30km, although their damage at that range is appalling, increasingly so through falloff progression while pulses reach 98% of their range with more than triple the damage up to (at least) 45 km. And javelin torps reach pretty far, too. And blasters get more tracking (esp with Mega's bonus) The price it pays for what it gets is not balanced. It loses much more than it gains. That is the problem with Tempest. The ratio needs to be adjusted. One solution that could be considered is improving the optimal range on autocannon close range ammunition, reducing the amount of penalty they take in the way of falloff within the key operational range that is roughly scrambling (or disrupting to be more accurate) distance aswell as possibly increasing the base damage on ammo (and unnerfing Hail?). Adding another turret hardpoint could also be part of a good solution (for example because the tradeoff would be one less utility hislot and because it would make the Tempest a better sniper than Maelstrom and because it wouldn't force anyone to fit the 7th turret who likes the current 6+2). Eh.., I edited the post before you post this one, sorry mate, as it came clear that some chars of different races has indeed trained some Arties and those skills that is required for minmatar ships to be effective even though I use a mixture of guns and cruise. But as you can see I was certainly not saying or implying that an effective handling of any particular ship is dependent on its race.
Thercon Jair Minmatar InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.11.16 02:31:00 - [91] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 16/11/2008 02:23:08 Well, i kinda have a proof now that the damage output on a Sniper Tempest is not to joke about. Was shooting a POS today with 161 guys heh, and guess who one of the top 3 guys are on that list?, yes it's me in my Tempest. Link to the killmail is HERE. Took like 15-20 mins to take it down. We all warped into that POS at the same time, was then 3 mins left of the reinforced time. And the seconds after the reinforced timer was over, we was all shooting it. I'm just outdamaged by 25k damage, so that's NOT much. Maybe that tells me why there are so many Tempest's in our fleets. Still someone that have some extremely ****ed reasons why a Sniper Tempest doesn't have good damage?. That's the thing with the damage types that I mentioned in my post above yours. If I'm not mistaken an unhardened Domination Tower should have 50% em, 25% thermal, 0% kinetic and 0% explosive resistances. The megas that are above you use split thermal/kinetic ammo, which means that they get a -25% damage reduction on the thermal part of their damage. We don't need to talk about amarr ships here Your tempest was conveniently hitting into the explosive/kinetic 0% resistance. That is, if you were using the correct ammo types for that type of tower. Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar!**
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.16 02:36:00 - [92] Edited by: NightmareX on 16/11/2008 02:42:30 Originally by: Thercon Jair Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 16/11/2008 02:23:08 Well, i kinda have a proof now that the damage output on a Sniper Tempest is not to joke about. Was shooting a POS today with 161 guys heh, and guess who one of the top 3 guys are on that list?, yes it's me in my Tempest. Link to the killmail is HERE. Took like 15-20 mins to take it down. We all warped into that POS at the same time, was then 3 mins left of the reinforced time. And the seconds after the reinforced timer was over, we was all shooting it. I'm just outdamaged by 25k damage, so that's NOT much. Maybe that tells me why there are so many Tempest's in our fleets. Still someone that have some extremely ******ed reasons why a Sniper Tempest doesn't have good damage?. That's the thing with the damage types that I mentioned in my post above yours. If I'm not mistaken an unhardened Domination Tower should have 50% em, 25% thermal, 0% kinetic and 0% explosive resistances. The megas that are above you use split thermal/kinetic ammo, which means that they get a -25% damage reduction on the thermal part of their damage. We don't need to talk about amarr ships here Your tempest was conveniently hitting into the explosive/kinetic 0% resistance. That is, if you were using the correct ammo types for that type of tower. And if you look at the Armageddon under me and the Mega that is on top of the killmail, there they was using Sentry Drones that takes lots of damage. And i was using no drones when we took down the POS. But yeah, i was using Quake L on the POS. BTW, anyone that can proove me a better hit than this with all 6 guns on the Tempest grouped into 1?: 01:32:37 Combat Group of 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II hit Minmatar Control Tower [AWECO](IRC)=Minmatar Control Tower= for 9834 damage. Oh at least, it was OVER 9000. That's basicly 1639 damage per gun if you look at it that way. My next goal is to hit 10k. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
Thercon Jair Minmatar InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.11.16 02:44:00 - [93] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 16/11/2008 02:40:28 Originally by: Thercon Jair Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 16/11/2008 02:23:08 Well, i kinda have a proof now that the damage output on a Sniper Tempest is not to joke about. Was shooting a POS today with 161 guys heh, and guess who one of the top 3 guys are on that list?, yes it's me in my Tempest. Link to the killmail is HERE. Took like 15-20 mins to take it down. We all warped into that POS at the same time, was then 3 mins left of the reinforced time. And the seconds after the reinforced timer was over, we was all shooting it. I'm just outdamaged by 25k damage, so that's NOT much. Maybe that tells me why there are so many Tempest's in our fleets. Still someone that have some extremely ****ed reasons why a Sniper Tempest doesn't have good damage?. That's the thing with the damage types that I mentioned in my post above yours. If I'm not mistaken an unhardened Domination Tower should have 50% em, 25% thermal, 0% kinetic and 0% explosive resistances. The megas that are above you use split thermal/kinetic ammo, which means that they get a -25% damage reduction on the thermal part of their damage. We don't need to talk about amarr ships here Your tempest was conveniently hitting into the explosive/kinetic 0% resistance. That is, if you were using the correct ammo types for that type of tower. And if you look at the Armageddon under me and the Mega that is on top of the killmail, there they was using Sentry Drones that takes lots of damage. And i was using no drones when we took down the POS. But yeah, i was using Quake L on the POS. BTW, anyone that can proove me a better hit than this with all 6 guns on the Tempest grouped into 1?: 01:32:37 Combat Group of 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II hit Minmatar Control Tower [AWECO](IRC)=Minmatar Control Tower= for 9834 damage. That's basicly 1639 damage per gun if you look at it that way. my next goal is to hit 10k. \o/ Another person who knows what to do with quake Using Quake over Republic Fleet EMP gets my damage from 502dps to 555dps, which is a considerate difference in damage over the course of 20minutes (not to mention that using EMP on that POS would have been a bad move) Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar!**
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.16 02:54:00 - [94] Hehe, i think almost 3 years under a Tempest should teach you on what to use after what your shooting. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
Thercon Jair Minmatar InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.11.16 02:56:00 - [95] Originally by: NightmareX Hehe, i think almost 3 years under a Tempest should teach you on what to use after what your shooting. So you're one of those guys who is constantly changing scripts and ammo to match ranges and stuff, just like me? Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar!
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.16 03:02:00 - [96] Edited by: NightmareX on 16/11/2008 03:02:01 Originally by: Thercon Jair Originally by: NightmareX Hehe, i think almost 3 years under a Tempest should teach you on what to use after what your shooting. So you're one of those guys who is constantly changing scripts and ammo to match ranges and stuff, just like me? Well yeah, i do to some point. First, i ALWAYS fly my Sniper Tempest with Tremor L and Quake L ammo. And my Med Slot are: 3x Sensor Booster II (2 with Targeting Range script & 1 with Scan Resolution script) 1x Tracking Computer II 1x 100MN MicroWarpdrive II So i don't directly need to change any scripts. When i'm in a gang, my lock range are around 205-210 km, and that's enough, because i can still hit at that range. And my Sniper Tempest also have defense against HIC's, Cruisers and frigs if they get close enough, because i have 2x Medium Energy Neuts II and 7x Medium T2 drones in my Drone bay. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
Malik77	Posted - 2008.11.16 03:06:00 - [97] The problem with the tempest is that the Maelstorm does everything better. It has a better tank and higher dps. The only advantage that the Tempest has is the 2 utility high slots. So in small gangs throw some nuets in there. As far as anything else goes, I'd rather fly a Maelstorm.
Myrkala Minmatar Aurora Acclivitous	Posted - 2008.11.16 03:08:00 - [98] Originally by: NightmareX Oh at least, it was OVER 9000.
Thercon Jair Minmatar InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.11.16 03:14:00 - [99] Actually, the damage gain with my skills if I flew a Maelstrom is exactly 17dps. Range and falloff is exactly the same. The maelstrom just locks slower but a bit farther (tempest locks to 209km, given that I have 152km optimal with tremor and 43km falloff it doesn't matter), but has less tracking, is slower and less agile has just slightly more EHP. Oh, and it costs more. No, for fleet fittings I'm not going to use a Maelstrom over the Tempest. And if I think that, would I cram 2 cruise missile launcher on, I could actually out-DPS the Maelstrom... (yes, not viable for fleets, just theory-play)
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned Dark Trinity Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.16 03:25:00 - [100] Originally by: Yakov Draken Originally by: Ambere Ataron if your worried about the lack of a point i must ask wtf is wrong with your gang that a bs is being relied on for point... I fly in small gangs and I want to be able to put a point on as many ships in the opposing gang as possible so yes I want a point on my BS. Add in the times when its necessary to split forces to catch someone and I like lots of points in a small gang. Use hics and interdictors, saves you having to fit disruptors on absolutely everything. Personally I don't like any of the Minmatar BS for pvp, large autocannons just aren't worth much chop. I use a Tempest as a sniper and to shoot pos's because I'm not skilled for any other race but for roaming gangs I like a Sleipnir or even a hurricane, faster locking way more agile and you can still push out 600 dps or more.
Pant Alones Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.17 02:11:00 - [101] All flaming and bull**** aside, does putting an ECM on a tempest still really work alright? I thought that trend kinda died out in 2005. I might have to actually buy a tempest if it's still viable. ------------------------
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.11.17 05:19:00 - [102] Originally by: NightmareX Wanna try a Geddon, Abaddon, Mega, Scorp or a Raven against a Tempest pilot with an IQ higher than a monkey?. I bet you will facepalm a lot when you see how much a Tempest actually can take before it goes down. I find it odd that you include the Scorpion in your list when it's rarely considered an actual frontline combat ship. The Rokh seems to be a more appropiate entry. That being said, if the Scorpion pilot knows without a doubt that he's going to be fighting a Pest 1V1 the Scorpion in all probability would win. You can't overlook the fact that all the performance figures in the world (I.E. tank, gank, speed, dronebay, etc) won't overcome the simple fact that the scorpion has the single greatest countermeasure: ECM. If you know your enemy is in a particular ship type in a scorpion the ever flexible scorpion can be custom build to counter it's every advatange. MWD + Point + Web means unless you can counter web the superior speed is moot. 2 - 3 minmitar jammers mean the pest won't be locking very often (unless it sacrifices precious slots for sensor boosters and ECCM). And while the scorpion is undoubtedly weakly gunned for a battleship it can generate more than sufficient firepower to break any battleship tank given enough time. And given a single jammer can convievably generate a better than 50% chance to jam a Pest with base sensor strength, you're likely to have all the time in the world. Of course, in all reality the scorpion's flexability is it's most damning feature. It can do most anything but it's generally pretty bad at most everything in comparision with other ships and it could only shine in situations where the scorpion pilot possesses an unreasonable level of knowledge about the engagement before it begins.
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.17 08:27:00 - [103] Originally by: Jin Entres Yakov, the minmatar sensor strength type is LADAR. Might wanna change your setup. Originally by: MigG176 Edited by: MigG176 on 16/11/2008 01:10:23 Interesting, Most chars are from other races that i doubt has the skills for the tempest. Specially with them SPs, if training both or more. My main have 39,903,061 sp only in mini ship skills and combat and is quite successful. Since when has the race of a character determined the ships they fly? And argument from authority isn't going to fly here. No one's personal success (or lack thereof), no matter how epic, means diddly squat when it comes to balance. With a better ship, it is easier to achieve success. The two most important criteria by which any close range battleship is judged are 1. its ability to withstand damage and 2. its ability to deal damage. In addition to these primary functions, battleships may have secondary functions such as limited electronic or capacitor warfare. Excellence in secondary functions may make up for small shortcomings in primary functions, but never replace them unless the ship is dedicated to that job (scorpion, nos domi). The Tempest is a ship with increased ability to perform secondary functions: it has an extra utility hislot compared to Megathron and Armageddon (the competing close range turret battleships of other races; note however that Raven has 2 utility hislots aswell). It also has 5 midslots, which enables limited use of EW/anti-EW or improved tackling. For these advantages, the Tempest gives up tanking ability (only 6 lows), damage (lower base damage than all the other weapon systems) and range* (least damage of all weapon types within scrambling distance). * Although it should be noted that unlike blasters, autocannons can hit beyond 30km, although their damage at that range is appalling, increasingly so through falloff progression while pulses reach 98% of their range with more than triple the damage up to (at least) 45 km. And javelin torps reach pretty far, too. And blasters get more tracking (esp with Mega's bonus) The price it pays for what it gets is not balanced. It loses much more than it gains. That is the problem with Tempest. The ratio needs to be adjusted. One solution that could be considered is improving the optimal range on autocannon close range ammunition, reducing the amount of penalty they take in the way of falloff within the key operational range that is roughly scrambling (or disrupting to be more accurate) distance aswell as possibly increasing the base damage on ammo (and unnerfing Hail?). Adding another turret hardpoint could also be part of a good solution (for example because the tradeoff would be one less utility hislot and because it would make the Tempest a better sniper than Maelstrom and because it wouldn't force anyone to fit the 7th turret who likes the current 6+2). This! Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.17 14:24:00 - [104] Anyways, i'm not the uber l33t kid who always are going for the best ships all the time. I'll use the ship that is very FUN to fly / use. And the Tempest is a very fun ship to fly / use for me because it have so many ways of fitting the ship etc. And it have good damage to. Not the best damages, but still good.
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.18 16:32:00 - [105] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 17/11/2008 15:31:23 Anyways, i'm not the uber l33t kid who always are going for the "best" ships all the time. Because there isn't anything called the best ship in EVE. Calling ships for the best ships is something newbs are doing. I'll use the ship that is very FUN to fly / use. And the Tempest is a very fun ship to fly / use for me because it have so many ways of fitting the ship etc. And it have good damage to. Not the best damages, but still good. Flying fail ship is not fun. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno	Posted - 2008.11.18 17:11:00 - [106] Originally by: Siddy Flying fail ship is not fun. Neither is flying the FOTM ship guaranteed awesomeness, as most falcon pilots can tell you ;) I have a char near to maxed out with amarr skills that has trained minm bs5 a week ago and intend to switch to minm bs simply because of the fun factor that i had before i sold a minm char 2 years ago. I agree that autocannons need a boost when compared with other races closerange guns tho, lots of good points have been brought up and ccp eventually gets around doing that im sure. - Boosters and PirateProfessions
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:03:00 - [107] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 17/11/2008 15:31:23 Anyways, i'm not the uber l33t kid who always are going for the "best" ships all the time. Because there isn't anything called the best ship in EVE. Calling ships for the best ships is something newbs are doing. I'll use the ship that is very FUN to fly / use. And the Tempest is a very fun ship to fly / use for me because it have so many ways of fitting the ship etc. And it have good damage to. Not the best damages, but still good. This argument is of course 100% valid and I really dont think anyone is forbidding you to use the ship you want. Hell I trained this char 100% amarr when amarr were utter crap. And yes I'm almost sad to see they are pretty much best race now. But it still doesn't make the ship good. Also all of this 800-900 dps talk is pretty funny when we take into account we're talking about battleship with 2 damage bonuses.
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.18 19:59:00 - [108] Edited by: NightmareX on 18/11/2008 20:00:07 No races are best. END OF STORY. Do you really know how extremely overpowered a Tempest for example would be if the Tempest would do around the same DPS as a Mega or a Geddon when the Tempest can Dual Heavy Neut on top of that + have no cap usage from the guns?. There is a clear logic behind it why a Tempest with Autocannons is not doing as much DPS as Blasters Mega's and Pulse Geddon's. I hope you understand now. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'

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