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Khima	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:04:00 - [1] A whole bleeding month! Why in the nine **ing hells do we need to wait a whole damn month!? Its insane! There is no way in the world that anyone would want to wait a whole ing month just to fly one damn ship! Reduce the damn waiting time to a baseline of 2 weeks! Its a huge/major/massive/grande turn-off to see anyone that is even remotely interested in the mining barge skills: "No way i'm waiting a month, no way - i'm gonna pvp instead" HUGE MAJOR TUNROFF! A whole month, jesus christe! Who are you kidding!? ing reduction man! Reduction! 2 weeks tops! Even with the best skills! Now come the on and don't give me any bull about balance, the ratio of miners to PVP players is like 1:20! Stop scareing people way from mining! And no, there is no point in mining in a stupid cruiser or retriver, its compleately utter junk compared to a hulk, I did the number couch on it. Its not that **ing hard to make a reduction in the damn training system, just change a couple numbers and thats done it! Seriously!
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:05:00 - [2] Just fly the damn retriever then. Everyone who is able to fly Hulks went through that painful process, why shouldn't you? Eve is not a game of instant gratification.
Khima	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:09:00 - [3] I already got a hulk! And honestly it was a murder getting one, not the money but the sheer amout of training time I needed to do! Not only that, my SECOND toon is nearly done with mining barge 5, 3h from now to be exact. A whole month she had to wait! A month! Its insane!
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:12:00 - [4] I still don't see your point.
Wannabehero Caldari Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:14:00 - [5] Mining in general is pretty lame. Why should training for it be any different? The mining and industrial mini-games of EVE could be so much richer and fulfilling, but CCP focuses mainly on PVP, even though mining, exploration, and industry offer the truest 'sandbox' for players to build their own player experiences in. Put the greatest, richest rewards of these systems out in low-sec and 0.0, and the PvP will follow. Oh, and lastly, the OP was a little vague. What exactly was it that you were mad about again?
Bahnny Caldari Mitrochondrial EVE	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:18:00 - [6] Edited by: Bahnny on 14/11/2008 22:25:22 Hate to rain on your parade but I have 3 toons training that skill right now too..........I'm over it already. Skill training takes time. Welcome to EVE. Fly a T2 of any combat ship other then an interceptor in a full t2 fit.. Infact i'm bored. Let me pull out evemon and let you know how long of training that is. I'll edit in a few minutes. edit:: 56days for a fully t2'd interceptor.. and a crappy one at that (only lvl 1's of the t2 related skills for guns etc. note again lacking any non-prerequisited skills as well. e.g accuracy affecting ones, corresponding drone size/types.. power/engineer related .. etc etc I'm gonna assume 70+ days to fly a good interceptor.. and thats as basic as it gets.. I'm not even gonna do HAC's. a 45day train for hulks is fine.. thank you
Khima	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:19:00 - [7] Okay, to put it simple. If we want to see an increase in miners, you have to R.E.D.U.C.E - thats how its spelled, R-E-D-U-C-E the time needed to train for the hulk. Evey other mining ships is = CRAP compared to the hulk, no matter what no matter where. NOTHING can outclass a hulk, what so ever ( in relation to mining) An entire month, simply just for mining barge lvl 5 is stupid. Astrogeo lvl 5 is already a 2 week long wait, which shuns off more players then a friggen Runescape! (pun intended) REDUCE the time it takes to get thouse friggen skills for the hulk, the coveter and the god damn strip miners! The orca is worth NOTHING, the whole friggen 480m worth in components is just a pile of junk if there aint hulks to do the damn mining!
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:21:00 - [8] Why would we want to see more miners? Ore prices have already hit rock bottom.
Khima	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:24:00 - [9] More ore = more ships = more ships = more PvP = more chaos. Its that friggen simple.
Ursaa	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:38:00 - [10] for my money, I'd like to see it take longer.

Wannabehero Caldari Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:42:00 - [11] Originally by: Khima Edited by: Khima on 14/11/2008 22:30:23 More ore = more ships = more ships = more PvP = more chaos. Its that friggen simple. I've already endured twice the waiting time now and honestly it's such an annoyance to me that I want to make sure that eveyone else don't have to endure this mindnumbingly long training time. If ya wanna fly a hulk: get ready to wait at least 2 months, total waiting time. Well, to be fair, it is only two months to be in the best of your class. You said it yourself, no other ship out performs the hulk. I can tell you that it is a far longer wait to be in the best of your class with, say, battlecruisers (i.e. command ships). In any case, I stand by my original statement, mining is lame and needs to be enhanced, so that mining is a rewarding activity, not a semi-afk process to be done while reading a book or watching a movie. -- Don't harsh my mellow
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:48:00 - [12] Originally by: Khima Edited by: Khima on 14/11/2008 22:30:23 More ore = more ships = more ships = more PvP = more chaos. Its that friggen simple. I've already endured twice the waiting time now and honestly it's such an annoyance to me that I want to make sure that eveyone else don't have to endure this mindnumbingly long training time. If ya wanna fly a hulk: get ready to wait at least 2 months, total waiting time. Whooptie-**ing-doo, two months to fly the best ship in your profession? Try a **ing battleship.
ansatsusuru	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:49:00 - [13] Edited by: ansatsusuru on 14/11/2008 22:49:26 Originally by: Wannabehero Well, to be fair, it is only two months to be in the best of your class. You said it yourself, no other ship out performs the hulk. I can tell you that it is a far longer wait to be in the best of your class with, say, battlecruisers (i.e. command ships). In any case, I stand by my original statement, mining is lame and needs to be enhanced, so that mining is a rewarding activity, not a semi-afk process to be done while reading a book or watching a movie. Sir, I beg to differ. Who else is going to reply to these posts if they made mining more 'rewarding' as you say - I barely remember to cycle asteroids as it stands! I just have too much fun occupying myself in chats and these wonderful wonderful forums. edit:: ugh lame alt - i'm bahnny :)
Freezehunter Gallente O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:50:00 - [14] Edited by: Freezehunter on 14/11/2008 22:52:43 WORST WHINE POST ON THE FORUM... EVER! Hulk was the first t2 ship i trained for, almost 1.5 years ago , and it wasn't bad AT ALL... Now i am a PVPer and Training to PVP is WAY harder than training for a Hulk, i just finished BS 5 (35 days), drone interfacing 5 (28 days), and so on and so forth, not to mention all the freakin' Engineering to 5 and tanking to 5 and resistances to 5 and t2 large hybrids and t2 drones and carriers and freaking' dread skills... I now have 8 Elite PVP cerificates that took about 2 years to train, every single mod i use is t2 and that takes TIME! Hulk is a t2 ship, same for the strip miners if you wanna be good at it... SO STOP ***ING LIKE A * ABOUT A **ING 1 MONTH SKILL, WHEN IT TOOK ME ALMOST 2 YEARS TO BE WHERE I AM NOW!
kagorsa	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:51:00 - [15] Ok lets take this one slow shall we this game is designed to be a massive time sink and one of the hardest games in the world . That is how they have survived so long . I trained to hulk didn't even think about it got on with other stuff while it was cooking . This is one of the major problems ppl don't see all the other parts to the game, open your eyes and you will see many other things to do while you train.
Wannabehero Caldari Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:03:00 - [16] Originally by: ansatsusuru Edited by: ansatsusuru on 14/11/2008 22:49:26 Originally by: Wannabehero Well, to be fair, it is only two months to be in the best of your class. You said it yourself, no other ship out performs the hulk. I can tell you that it is a far longer wait to be in the best of your class with, say, battlecruisers (i.e. command ships). In any case, I stand by my original statement, mining is lame and needs to be enhanced, so that mining is a rewarding activity, not a semi-afk process to be done while reading a book or watching a movie. Sir, I beg to differ. Who else is going to reply to these posts if they made mining more 'rewarding' as you say - I barely remember to cycle asteroids as it stands! I just have too much fun occupying myself in chats and these wonderful wonderful forums. edit:: ugh lame alt - i'm bahnny :) TouchT But seriously, I'm not saying do away with boring rock-popping afk mining, just include more optional interactive stuff for the player who actually puts time into attentively mining. There have been countless posts before on doing such things, and I would love to see just about any of them implemented.
Sir Substance Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Khima Edited by: Khima on 14/11/2008 22:30:23 More ore = more ships = more ships = Market deflation = less money for Sir_Substance. Its that friggen simple. fixed. man up and take it like the rest of us, or stick to a rettie forever. that is all.
Bahnny Caldari Mitrochondrial EVE	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:21:00 - [18] Originally by: Wannabehero TouchT But seriously, I'm not saying do away with boring rock-popping afk mining, just include more optional interactive stuff for the player who actually puts time into attentively mining. There have been countless posts before on doing such things, and I would love to see just about any of them implemented. To be honest (Not gonna assume you attended FF08) But there was alot of changes discussed. And from the sounds of it any intended overhaul to the mining system will be in the march expansion. Cheers ;)
Tarron Sarek Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:55:00 - [19] Battleship 5 Stop complaining. Oh, and I'm currently doing it for the second time.
Wannabehero Caldari Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Bahnny To be honest (Not gonna assume you attended FF08) But there was alot of changes discussed. And from the sounds of it any intended overhaul to the mining system will be in the march expansion. Cheers ;) w00t

Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.15 02:38:00 - [21] Originally by: Tarron Sarek Battleship 5 Stop complaining. Oh, and I'm currently doing it for the second time. You probably wish they made it like they made Battlecruisers, don't you?
Doc Iridium Amarr One Stop Mining Shop	Posted - 2008.11.15 06:53:00 - [22] Anyone with EveMon available mind running up the rough numbers on how long it would take a toon to train to fly a Damnation as opposed to a Prophesy? I'm just curious as to how the thirty days from a retriever to hulk stacks up against the road from T1 Battlecruiser to Command ship for mining directors. I seem to recall many months of training to get into what was once the best mining bonus ship.
Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.11.15 07:03:00 - [23] Whether your complaint is valid or not (I personally don't agree with it, but let's say for argument's sake it's valid), CCP will never reduce the training time on skills, simply because that essentially robs older players of their training time. Why should new players get in a hulk any faster than I did? Oh, and as the other said: Start complaining after you train Battleship 5... and additionally, in my case, Wing Command 5 too.
Yesukhei	Posted - 2008.11.15 07:07:00 - [24] Bad idea. Training time is fine. As for me, retriever provides me quite enough pocket money for current expenses, so I'm not going to rip myself apart in order to get a hulk as soon as possible - I'll learn drones and vexor before and have fun doing missions and helping my corp hunters and PvPers while those skills are being trained.
Immersive Immersive Technology Solutions	Posted - 2008.11.15 07:20:00 - [25] I'd like to see the covetor require only level 4, but training time to 5 is fine!
Khima	Posted - 2008.11.15 08:18:00 - [26] Edited by: Khima on 15/11/2008 08:20:21 So many people here have there heads stuck so far up there ass it almoste makes me cry. Noone clearly has any idea how to be a miner and is just spewing out random sentences stateing tehy r supirziro and uz d n00b - **ing huge case of teenage scumbags infestation. Noone here has ANY skill in mining what so ever, your just randomly spewing out lies to seem smart. Get ing over it and stop pretending to be the miners that you are not. No, battleship lvl 5 is bull. Anyone with any ing sence to themselfs would't bother with battelships, they'd be flying hulks. Without the miners there is no ing ships for you sucmbags to fly in, or least they become VERY expensive (talking 4-5 times as expensive as they currently priced) so if were you i'd shut the up and start showing some ing backbone and help out rather then pretending to be Abraham Lincon, ***s. Get some **ing skill before you start auctly makeing false assumptions! And yes, I already got battelship lvl 3 and Wing command lvl 1: why only at these levels? Becouse I DON'T need them at any higher level as I don't use battleships! And Wing command is coming later when I get the industrial command ship lvl.
Xianthar STK Scientific N.A.S.A	Posted - 2008.11.15 08:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Khima A whole bleeding month! Why in the nine **ing hells do we need to wait a whole damn month!? Its insane! There is no way in the world that anyone would want to wait a whole ing month just to fly one damn ship! Reduce the damn waiting time to a baseline of 2 weeks! Its a huge/major/massive/grande turn-off to see anyone that is even remotely interested in the mining barge skills: "No way i'm waiting a month, no way - i'm gonna pvp instead" HUGE MAJOR TUNROFF! A whole month, jesus christe! Who are you kidding!? ing reduction man! Reduction! 2 weeks tops! Even with the best skills! Now come the on and don't give me any bull about balance, the ratio of miners to PVP players is like 1:20! Stop scareing people way from mining! And no, there is no point in mining in a stupid cruiser or retriver, its compleately utter junk compared to a hulk, I did the number couch on it. Its not that **ing hard to make a reduction in the damn training system, just change a couple numbers and thats done it! Seriously! clearly you have found yourself in the wrong forums, please try www.worldofwarcraft.com. Thank you, -X
Khima	Posted - 2008.11.15 08:23:00 - [28] Originally by: Xianthar clearly you have found yourself in the wrong forums, please try www.worldofwarcraft.com. Thank you, -X Clearly you assume that your god and you belive that your opnioion is final and eveything to eveyone. You need a heavy dose of acid directly into the brain. Stop pretending that you are Obamama himself.
Khima	Posted - 2008.11.15 08:25:00 - [29] Ka-pew GS
Sir Substance Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp	Posted - 2008.11.15 09:28:00 - [30] Originally by: Khima Originally by: Xianthar clearly you have found yourself in the wrong forums, please try www.worldofwarcraft.com. Thank you, -X Clearly you assume that your god and you belive that your opnioion is final and eveything to eveyone. You need a heavy dose of acid directly into the brain. Stop pretending that you are Obamama himself. http://www.trackerpress.com/reference/your-or-you%27re.php



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