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Khima
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:04:00 -
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A whole bleeding month! Why in the nine ****ing hells do we need to wait a whole damn month!? Its insane! There is no way in the world that anyone would want to wait a whole ****ing month just to fly one damn ship! Reduce the damn waiting time to a baseline of 2 weeks! Its a huge/major/massive/grande turn-off to see anyone that is even remotely interested in the mining barge skills: "No way i'm waiting a month, no way - i'm gonna pvp instead"
HUGE MAJOR TUNROFF! A whole month, jesus christe! Who are you kidding!? ****ing reduction man! Reduction! 2 weeks tops! Even with the best skills!
Now come the **** on and don't give me any bull**** about balance, the ratio of miners to PVP players is like 1:20! Stop scareing people way from mining!
And no, there is no point in mining in a stupid cruiser or retriver, its compleately utter junk compared to a hulk, I did the number couch on it.
Its not that ****ing hard to make a reduction in the damn training system, just change a couple numbers and thats done it! Seriously! |
Grarr Dexx
Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:05:00 -
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Just fly the damn retriever then. Everyone who is able to fly Hulks went through that painful process, why shouldn't you?
Eve is not a game of instant gratification. |
Khima
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:09:00 -
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I already got a hulk! And honestly it was a murder getting one, not the money but the sheer amout of training time I needed to do!
Not only that, my SECOND toon is nearly done with mining barge 5, 3h from now to be exact. A whole month she had to wait! A month! Its insane! |
Grarr Dexx
Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:12:00 -
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I still don't see your point. |
Wannabehero
Caldari Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:14:00 -
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Mining in general is pretty lame.
Why should training for it be any different?
The mining and industrial mini-games of EVE could be so much richer and fulfilling, but CCP focuses mainly on PVP, even though mining, exploration, and industry offer the truest 'sandbox' for players to build their own player experiences in. Put the greatest, richest rewards of these systems out in low-sec and 0.0, and the PvP will follow.
Oh, and lastly, the OP was a little vague. What exactly was it that you were mad about again? |
Bahnny
Caldari Mitrochondrial EVE
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Bahnny on 14/11/2008 22:25:22 Hate to rain on your parade but I have 3 toons training that skill right now too..........I'm over it already.
Skill training takes time. Welcome to EVE.
Fly a T2 of any combat ship other then an interceptor in a full t2 fit..
Infact i'm bored. Let me pull out evemon and let you know how long of training that is. I'll edit in a few minutes.
edit:: 56days for a fully t2'd interceptor.. and a crappy one at that (only lvl 1's of the t2 related skills for guns etc. note again lacking any non-prerequisited skills as well. e.g accuracy affecting ones, corresponding drone size/types.. power/engineer related .. etc etc
I'm gonna assume 70+ days to fly a good interceptor.. and thats as basic as it gets.. I'm not even gonna do HAC's. a 45day train for hulks is fine.. thank you |
Khima
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:19:00 -
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Okay, to put it simple.
If we want to see an increase in miners, you have to R.E.D.U.C.E - thats how its spelled, R-E-D-U-C-E the time needed to train for the hulk. Evey other mining ships is = CRAP compared to the hulk, no matter what no matter where. NOTHING can outclass a hulk, what so ever ( in relation to mining)
An entire month, simply just for mining barge lvl 5 is stupid. Astrogeo lvl 5 is already a 2 week long wait, which shuns off more players then a friggen Runescape! (pun intended)
REDUCE the time it takes to get thouse friggen skills for the hulk, the coveter and the god damn strip miners! The orca is worth NOTHING, the whole friggen 480m worth in components is just a pile of junk if there aint hulks to do the damn mining!
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:21:00 -
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Why would we want to see more miners? Ore prices have already hit rock bottom. |
Khima
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:24:00 -
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More ore = more ships = more ships = more PvP = more chaos. Its that friggen simple. |
Ursaa
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:38:00 -
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for my money, I'd like to see it take longer.
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Wannabehero
Caldari Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Khima Edited by: Khima on 14/11/2008 22:30:23 More ore = more ships = more ships = more PvP = more chaos. Its that friggen simple.
I've already endured twice the waiting time now and honestly it's such an annoyance to me that I want to make sure that eveyone else don't have to endure this mindnumbingly long training time.
If ya wanna fly a hulk: get ready to wait at least 2 months, total waiting time.
Well, to be fair, it is only two months to be in the best of your class. You said it yourself, no other ship out performs the hulk. I can tell you that it is a far longer wait to be in the best of your class with, say, battlecruisers (i.e. command ships).
In any case, I stand by my original statement, mining is lame and needs to be enhanced, so that mining is a rewarding activity, not a semi-afk process to be done while reading a book or watching a movie. --
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Khima Edited by: Khima on 14/11/2008 22:30:23 More ore = more ships = more ships = more PvP = more chaos. Its that friggen simple.
I've already endured twice the waiting time now and honestly it's such an annoyance to me that I want to make sure that eveyone else don't have to endure this mindnumbingly long training time.
If ya wanna fly a hulk: get ready to wait at least 2 months, total waiting time.
Whooptie-****ing-doo, two months to fly the best ship in your profession? Try a ****ing battleship. |
ansatsusuru
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: ansatsusuru on 14/11/2008 22:49:26
Originally by: Wannabehero
Well, to be fair, it is only two months to be in the best of your class. You said it yourself, no other ship out performs the hulk. I can tell you that it is a far longer wait to be in the best of your class with, say, battlecruisers (i.e. command ships).
In any case, I stand by my original statement, mining is lame and needs to be enhanced, so that mining is a rewarding activity, not a semi-afk process to be done while reading a book or watching a movie.
Sir, I beg to differ. Who else is going to reply to these posts if they made mining more 'rewarding' as you say - I barely remember to cycle asteroids as it stands! I just have too much fun occupying myself in chats and these wonderful wonderful forums.
edit:: ugh lame alt - i'm bahnny :) |
Freezehunter
Gallente O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Freezehunter on 14/11/2008 22:52:43
WORST WHINE POST ON THE FORUM...
EVER!
Hulk was the first t2 ship i trained for, almost 1.5 years ago , and it wasn't bad AT ALL...
Now i am a PVPer and Training to PVP is WAY harder than training for a Hulk, i just finished BS 5 (35 days), drone interfacing 5 (28 days), and so on and so forth, not to mention all the freakin' Engineering to 5 and tanking to 5 and resistances to 5 and t2 large hybrids and t2 drones and carriers and freaking' dread skills...
I now have 8 Elite PVP cerificates that took about 2 years to train, every single mod i use is t2 and that takes TIME!
Hulk is a t2 ship, same for the strip miners if you wanna be good at it...
SO STOP *****ING LIKE A ***** ABOUT A ****ING 1 MONTH SKILL, WHEN IT TOOK ME ALMOST 2 YEARS TO BE WHERE I AM NOW!
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kagorsa
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:51:00 -
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Ok lets take this one slow shall we this game is designed to be a massive time sink and one of the hardest games in the world . That is how they have survived so long . I trained to hulk didn't even think about it got on with other stuff while it was cooking . This is one of the major problems ppl don't see all the other parts to the game, open your eyes and you will see many other things to do while you train. |
Wannabehero
Caldari Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2008.11.14 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: ansatsusuru Edited by: ansatsusuru on 14/11/2008 22:49:26
Originally by: Wannabehero
Well, to be fair, it is only two months to be in the best of your class. You said it yourself, no other ship out performs the hulk. I can tell you that it is a far longer wait to be in the best of your class with, say, battlecruisers (i.e. command ships).
In any case, I stand by my original statement, mining is lame and needs to be enhanced, so that mining is a rewarding activity, not a semi-afk process to be done while reading a book or watching a movie.
Sir, I beg to differ. Who else is going to reply to these posts if they made mining more 'rewarding' as you say - I barely remember to cycle asteroids as it stands! I just have too much fun occupying myself in chats and these wonderful wonderful forums.
edit:: ugh lame alt - i'm bahnny :)
TouchT
But seriously, I'm not saying do away with boring rock-popping afk mining, just include more optional interactive stuff for the player who actually puts time into attentively mining. There have been countless posts before on doing such things, and I would love to see just about any of them implemented. |
Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.14 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Khima Edited by: Khima on 14/11/2008 22:30:23 More ore = more ships = more ships = Market deflation = less money for Sir_Substance. Its that friggen simple.
fixed. man up and take it like the rest of us, or stick to a rettie forever. that is all. |
Bahnny
Caldari Mitrochondrial EVE
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Posted - 2008.11.14 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Wannabehero
TouchT
But seriously, I'm not saying do away with boring rock-popping afk mining, just include more optional interactive stuff for the player who actually puts time into attentively mining. There have been countless posts before on doing such things, and I would love to see just about any of them implemented.
To be honest (Not gonna assume you attended FF08) But there was alot of changes discussed. And from the sounds of it any intended overhaul to the mining system will be in the march expansion.
Cheers ;) |
Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.11.14 23:55:00 -
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Battleship 5
Stop complaining.
Oh, and I'm currently doing it for the second time.
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Wannabehero
Caldari Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2008.11.14 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Bahnny To be honest (Not gonna assume you attended FF08) But there was alot of changes discussed. And from the sounds of it any intended overhaul to the mining system will be in the march expansion.
Cheers ;)
w00t |
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.15 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tarron Sarek Battleship 5
Stop complaining.
Oh, and I'm currently doing it for the second time.
You probably wish they made it like they made Battlecruisers, don't you? |
Doc Iridium
Amarr One Stop Mining Shop
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Posted - 2008.11.15 06:53:00 -
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Anyone with EveMon available mind running up the rough numbers on how long it would take a toon to train to fly a Damnation as opposed to a Prophesy?
I'm just curious as to how the thirty days from a retriever to hulk stacks up against the road from T1 Battlecruiser to Command ship for mining directors.
I seem to recall many months of training to get into what was once the best mining bonus ship.
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.11.15 07:03:00 -
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Whether your complaint is valid or not (I personally don't agree with it, but let's say for argument's sake it's valid), CCP will never reduce the training time on skills, simply because that essentially robs older players of their training time. Why should new players get in a hulk any faster than I did?
Oh, and as the other said: Start complaining after you train Battleship 5... and additionally, in my case, Wing Command 5 too.
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Yesukhei
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Posted - 2008.11.15 07:07:00 -
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Bad idea. Training time is fine. As for me, retriever provides me quite enough pocket money for current expenses, so I'm not going to rip myself apart in order to get a hulk as soon as possible - I'll learn drones and vexor before and have fun doing missions and helping my corp hunters and PvPers while those skills are being trained. |
Immersive
Immersive Technology Solutions
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Posted - 2008.11.15 07:20:00 -
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I'd like to see the covetor require only level 4, but training time to 5 is fine! |
Khima
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Posted - 2008.11.15 08:18:00 -
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Edited by: Khima on 15/11/2008 08:20:21 So many people here have there heads stuck so far up there ass it almoste makes me cry. Noone clearly has any idea how to be a miner and is just spewing out random sentences stateing tehy r supirziro and uz d n00b - ****ing huge case of teenage scumbags infestation.
Noone here has ANY skill in mining what so ever, your just randomly spewing out lies to seem smart. Get ****ing over it and stop pretending to be the miners that you are not.
No, battleship lvl 5 is bull****. Anyone with any ****ing sence to themselfs would't bother with battelships, they'd be flying hulks.
Without the miners there is no ****ing ships for you sucmbags to fly in, or least they become VERY expensive (talking 4-5 times as expensive as they currently priced) so if were you i'd shut the **** up and start showing some ****ing backbone and help out rather then pretending to be Abraham Lincon, *******s.
Get some ****ing skill before you start auctly makeing false assumptions!
And yes, I already got battelship lvl 3 and Wing command lvl 1: why only at these levels? Becouse I DON'T need them at any higher level as I don't use battleships! And Wing command is coming later when I get the industrial command ship lvl. |
Xianthar
STK Scientific N.A.S.A
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Posted - 2008.11.15 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Khima A whole bleeding month! Why in the nine ****ing hells do we need to wait a whole damn month!? Its insane! There is no way in the world that anyone would want to wait a whole ****ing month just to fly one damn ship! Reduce the damn waiting time to a baseline of 2 weeks! Its a huge/major/massive/grande turn-off to see anyone that is even remotely interested in the mining barge skills: "No way i'm waiting a month, no way - i'm gonna pvp instead"
HUGE MAJOR TUNROFF! A whole month, jesus christe! Who are you kidding!? ****ing reduction man! Reduction! 2 weeks tops! Even with the best skills!
Now come the **** on and don't give me any bull**** about balance, the ratio of miners to PVP players is like 1:20! Stop scareing people way from mining!
And no, there is no point in mining in a stupid cruiser or retriver, its compleately utter junk compared to a hulk, I did the number couch on it.
Its not that ****ing hard to make a reduction in the damn training system, just change a couple numbers and thats done it! Seriously!
clearly you have found yourself in the wrong forums, please try www.worldofwarcraft.com.
Thank you,
-X |
Khima
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Posted - 2008.11.15 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Xianthar
clearly you have found yourself in the wrong forums, please try www.worldofwarcraft.com.
Thank you,
-X
Clearly you assume that your god and you belive that your opnioion is final and eveything to eveyone. You need a heavy dose of acid directly into the brain. Stop pretending that you are Obamama himself. |
Khima
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Posted - 2008.11.15 08:25:00 -
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Ka-pew GS |
Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.15 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Khima
Originally by: Xianthar
clearly you have found yourself in the wrong forums, please try www.worldofwarcraft.com.
Thank you,
-X
Clearly you assume that your god and you belive that your opnioion is final and eveything to eveyone. You need a heavy dose of acid directly into the brain. Stop pretending that you are Obamama himself.
http://www.trackerpress.com/reference/your-or-you%27re.php
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Yesukhei
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Posted - 2008.11.15 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Yesukhei on 15/11/2008 09:29:56 We all tend to think that our opinion is true and others' not. You're the only one to accuse everybody of this while being unwarrantedly self-assured and quite rude. Actually, you're saying, that MB5 training time should be reduced because you want it to. But who are you to command CCP and us.
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Khima
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Posted - 2008.11.15 09:44:00 -
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Quite simply.
I don't want to wait a month to be able to move around a "ship" (an illusion) thats made of paiper thin, even with premium content lacks decent textures - yes I am talking amarr ships. I don't find sufficant reason for me to have to wait a whole month of my life just to be able to pilot this, its unreasonble.
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Yesukhei
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Posted - 2008.11.15 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: Yesukhei on 15/11/2008 09:56:26 No curses, no offences - you can be spoken to now =)
That is your choice. You can't stand another learning of MB5 - you ask to reduce training time or you're not going to learn it again ever. I believe, everebody has already heard your application, so there is no sense to keep on speaking about the matter, unless new arguments are involved.
For now, there are 2 reasons - your will and increasing mineral supply. The 1st is not really important for developers and community, the 2nd - well, I don't think, it's required - ship and modules' prices aren't too high at the moment. Maybe, we'll face this problem later. |
Khima
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Posted - 2008.11.15 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Khima on 15/11/2008 10:04:42 Which leads me to a previous statement, the ratio of miners:PvP. Yes, I agree that EvE is evolved around PvP and its main theme is starwars battles betwean ships. Now out of the entire PvP CCP divised the whole theme of mining and manufacturieng to supplement the PvP, otherwise we would be playing "World of EvE" (raiding deadspace bases to get gold for a new ship does NOT sound very interesting I assure you).
To my main point. For you to auctly get anything near a good amout of isk out of mining/manufactureing you need a hulk or coveter, otherwise the entire ratio of time:Mining yield is turned FUBAR. The Retriver is the first step of couse, but its still still has a bad ratio. The mawk is somewhat better, but is more suited for icemining.
The only way for you to acuttely get a decent income pr the time:yield ratio you need a hulk and a rorqual or an orca to support it, not to mention you need to be at least 4-5 people. Otherwise its a waste of time, strongly influenced by currently prices.
The way I see it, it should be made easyer to aquire the needed mining equipment so people would auctly take interest into mining, one benefit would be a drake dropping to 35m instead of the 45m currently. |
Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.15 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Khima Quite simply.
I don't want to wait a month to be able to move around a "ship" (an illusion) thats made of paiper thin, even with premium content lacks decent textures - yes I am talking amarr ships. I don't find sufficant reason for me to have to wait a whole month of my life just to be able to pilot this, its unreasonble.
well guess what? you have to.
you dont like it, tough bikkies.
i would like to be able to not have to wait several months to a year to fly a carrier effectively. i would like to not have to take about a year and a half to two years to fly every titan effectively.
but guess what? i ahve to. because if i could be flying a titan tomorrow, a) the game would be hugely imbalanced and b) the game wouldn't be fun.
a large portion of the fun is being able to fly a ship someone else cant. there are tonnes of players out there who cant use a hulk because they cant be bothered training lvl 5 barge. every time i see someone who is 8 months old and mining in a rettie, i shine a little inside because i know ive got more sticking power then them.
mining barge V takes a month, get over it, or get out. either way, stop whining. - PvPers always say "GB2WoW". the message is that EVE is hard, and people just need to deal with it. wasn't it funny how when nano's started making it hard for *them*, that all went out the window? |
Yesukhei
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Posted - 2008.11.15 10:29:00 -
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The problem of cluster economics is extremely compmplicated. I cannot fully realise it at once. I also lack statistic information. What I'm sure of, is that we can't use only miners and PvPers numbers to make decisions. It's rather a question, from where resources come to the world and where they disappear, and I really fear to touch it - that requires total changes in NPC system, starting with creating of NPC miners and producers, creating modules and ships wear, accidents, reduce loot from destryed ships, change missions.... It's awful. Current system works, don't push it before we're all ready for it.
I think, it would be better to increase GREATLY mining and producing abilities of the young players (frigates, low-tech barges and transports), and, vice versa, make high-tech ships less available.
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What Trigger
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Posted - 2008.11.15 10:47:00 -
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Lol wait to you realise that you need Astrogeolgy 5 which is a longer skill again. And Mining barge 5 it doesnt take a month if you have decent learning skills, and for needing miners we in the drone regions will do just fine without them |
Yesukhei
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Posted - 2008.11.15 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Yesukhei on 15/11/2008 11:17:54 Astrogeology is no problem, with mem and int above 20 (maybe more, if I care to learn rank 3 learnings to 3-4) =)
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Nemtar Nataal
Demonic Retribution G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.15 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Khima Edited by: Khima on 14/11/2008 22:30:23 More ore = more ships = more ships = more PvP = more chaos. Its that friggen simple.
I've already endured twice the waiting time now and honestly it's such an annoyance to me that I want to make sure that eveyone else don't have to endure this mindnumbingly long training time.
If ya wanna fly a hulk: get ready to wait at least 2 months, total waiting time.
See this is where you got it ALL WRONG...
More mins dont mean more ships and more PvP, it means more inflaction thus mining will actually make less isk if more people can do it!
Having the argument that it would make it easier for you to getinto a ship is pointless as you dont look at all the other pilotes around you and how it would affect them...
So stop your mindless winding and do what everyone else does which is cope.
The beauty is that as its equally dificult for everyone to get in the ship...once you get in it you will make more isk then if it had been easier to get into it just basically because everyone else faces the same problem that it will take them ages to get into the hulk and thus will prioretise something else more.
So try and undestand the complexety of the game and accept that the current form and training time helps you more then you actually care to admit!
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NightF0x
Gallente Chicken Coup Raiders
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Posted - 2008.11.15 12:24:00 -
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If you don't like your training times then get some implants. Mining Barge V is only a 20 day skill time for me. BTW, don't forget to train for T2 crystals. That will add another good month on your training for all of the ores. :D ------------------------------------
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Darth Vaders
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.15 12:36:00 -
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LOL i think this suggestion is because of the ORCA.
Noone had a problem before ORCA. Now all of a sudden all these people are suggestioning a diminishing in training time of mining bardge to 5. The reason is they never trained a single mining skill but they want to use the ORCA for salvaging.
I happen to have trained mining bardge to 5 and i have lost much much time to do that only to realise that all these sps were rather useless because mining is unprofitable and boring to do. But now with the ORCA i can do some good salvaging at last. The ORCA is a super salvaging ship. It's liek a salvaging Marauder. Now how would it seem to you if a miner or a researcher would ask to diminish the training towards a Marauder or towards tech 2 Large turrets just because he would have invested his training elsewere?
For the above reasons i find this idea lame. |
Daevonar
Minmatar Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.11.15 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Khima Edited by: Khima on 15/11/2008 08:20:21 So many people here have there heads stuck so far up there ass....
people are sticking their heads inside their donkeys... who the hell owns a donkey anymore? Dae.
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NightF0x
Gallente Chicken Coup Raiders
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Posted - 2008.11.15 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Khima Edited by: Khima on 15/11/2008 10:04:42 Which leads me to a previous statement, the ratio of miners:PvP. Yes, I agree that EvE is evolved around PvP and its main theme is starwars battles betwean ships. Now out of the entire PvP CCP divised the whole theme of mining and manufacturieng to supplement the PvP, otherwise we would be playing "World of EvE" (raiding deadspace bases to get gold for a new ship does NOT sound very interesting I assure you).
To my main point. For you to auctly get anything near a good amout of isk out of mining/manufactureing you need a hulk or coveter, otherwise the entire ratio of time:Mining yield is turned FUBAR. The Retriver is the first step of couse, but its still still has a bad ratio. The mawk is somewhat better, but is more suited for icemining.
The only way for you to acuttely get a decent income pr the time:yield ratio you need a hulk and a rorqual or an orca to support it, not to mention you need to be at least 4-5 people. Otherwise its a waste of time, strongly influenced by currently prices.
The way I see it, it should be made easyer to aquire the needed mining equipment so people would auctly take interest into mining, one benefit would be a drake dropping to 35m instead of the 45m currently.
You do realize that prices on the market for ships are not set by CCP, right? We live in a player driven market.
Your attitude towards mining shows that you don't mine yourself. You can easily make a decent living with 2 accounts (1 on a Hulk and another on an Iterion hauler). No, you won't make as much as a mission runner but you are playing a sub-role to the manufacturers. It is like comparing the wages of someone that works on a production line vs a sales agent. They are 2 completely different roles in the company and how the company works.
Now the training time to get into a decent exhumer is going to be high. Why, you ask? You are flying a T2 barge (or better known as an Exhumer). T2 equipment has always had high skill requirements to get into them. The Hulk is the highest level Exhumer that you can acquire and is pretty much an end-game item for miners. It should have extremely high skill requirements to discourage everyone from taking this route and flooding the market with ore, thus causing the prices to drop.
If you had a character focused on mining to start with then you would have limited skill training to do in order to fly the Orca. Basically what I'm saying is suck it up because it is better for the game to have fewer miners and more PVP'ers than to have everyone flying a Hulk and stripping every belt within hours of them being restocked every week. And please quit trying to compare the income of miners to any other career in Eve. Just like in life, not every career will bring in a bunch of income. ------------------------------------
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.11.15 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Originally by: Tarron Sarek Battleship 5
Stop complaining.
Oh, and I'm currently doing it for the second time.
You probably wish they made it like they made Battlecruisers, don't you?
No, I actually wish they did Battlecruisers like they did Cruisers. You missed my point. I wasn't complaining. I just find it silly to complain about Mining Barge 5, since that's a mere rank 4 skill. It's not even comparable with Cruiser 5 and definitely not with Battleship 5, which I was referring to.
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Posted - 2008.11.15 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Khima A whole bleeding month! Why in the nine ****ing hells do we need to wait a whole damn month!? Its insane! There is no way in the world that anyone would want to wait a whole ****ing month just to fly one damn ship! Reduce the damn waiting time to a baseline of 2 weeks! Its a huge/major/massive/grande turn-off to see anyone that is even remotely interested in the mining barge skills: "No way i'm waiting a month, no way - i'm gonna pvp instead"
HUGE MAJOR TUNROFF! A whole month, jesus christe! Who are you kidding!? ****ing reduction man! Reduction! 2 weeks tops! Even with the best skills!
Now come the **** on and don't give me any bull**** about balance, the ratio of miners to PVP players is like 1:20! Stop scareing people way from mining!
And no, there is no point in mining in a stupid cruiser or retriver, its compleately utter junk compared to a hulk, I did the number couch on it.
Its not that ****ing hard to make a reduction in the damn training system, just change a couple numbers and thats done it! Seriously!
i can tell you never heard of learning skills
and if they reduce the time for mining barge 5 for a months training then they will have to reduce the 65 days training for Amarr carrier to lvl 5.
now quit whining and get on with something else while you wait >_> |
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