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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
64
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:13:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth.
Thats where you are wrong, also you will find griffins screw neutral rr right over.
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Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords BLACK-MARK
87
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:16:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Thats where you are wrong, also you will find griffins screw neutral rr right over.
Agreed, I just LOVE hero rifters. |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
457
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:17:00 -
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Roime wrote:Easiest way to avoid wardecs is to move out of hisec.
2nd easiest way is to war dec them back, and go on the offensive. Even "infamous" high sec corps that do nothing but hang around market hubs all day will run from a gang of 3-4 organized players. People are cowards and afraid to lose their precious shiny ships, and only tend to attack when a win is certain. So take the offensive and make THEM dock for a while. Oh it will be a couple week's work, but after that they will probably leave you alone. There are easier, more gullible targets. |

Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
178
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:18:00 -
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Bait him to a belt, then get point, scram, web and tons of ewar on him and kill him with noobships.
The more noobships on the killmail the better, a single blackbird and a dedicated tackler is all you need.
War should end the next week |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1392
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:18:00 -
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Docking up, I find, provides relief.
Also, trespassing deep into 0.0 space where weeks can go by without seeing another ship, is relaxing too.
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OldMan Gana
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
50
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:19:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.
The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.
If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.
I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?
Do wars have to last for a week?
Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?
Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:
Honestly mate, Get out of hi-sec and into null, yes you will lose ships and yes you'll get podded now and again, just like we all do. But I can assure you you that after learning the ropes for a while in null, you'll be looking for fights, be making more in industry and having a better time of it. Thing is, you need space to in null, to rat, learn the ropes and grow as a corp. I can maybe help with that side of things, if you are interested then shoot me a mail.
" I spent most of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best-á |

Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
153
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:20:00 -
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You're seriously telling us you can't handle one person?
I hear Tornados with 1400s are great for punching through RR (neutral or otherwise), but what do I know? My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
175
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:23:00 -
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Alua Oresson wrote:To the OP, how many wardecs do you have now? (No, not my alliance, we don't play in hi sec.)
It wouldn't matter on this guy. He's a 1 man alt corp used for forum posting, like me! Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
230
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:23:00 -
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Sorry, but non-consensual PvP everywhere is a feature. You can claim that it should not be, but trying to act like you get to define what is a feature in CCP's game, instead of CCP themselves, is just... silly. |

Dark Assassin15
Failed Diplomacy
3
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:26:00 -
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Lets all hold hands and cry about it. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
449
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:28:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.
The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.
If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.
I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?
Do wars have to last for a week?
Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?
Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:
So, you left an NPC corp. You therefore consented to the rules of engagement bound to non NPC corps. Is that hard to understand or is it just hard to admit?
I AM ******* PISSED OFF THAT EVE WILL NOT RUN ON MY COMMODORE 64. **** THAT **** I QUIT. take all my isk for 1 trit. |

Mena Bison
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:31:00 -
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Your relief is called an NPC Corp. Once you venture out of one, you are subject to all that Eve entails. |

Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords BLACK-MARK
87
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:31:00 -
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Dark Assassin15 wrote:Lets all hold hands and cry about it.
Bawls, hands Dark Assassin a handkerchief. |

FeralShadow
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
79
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:35:00 -
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Quote:nothing to do for a week but sit in dock.
Well THERE's your problem. Successful "carebear" attitudes:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=37279 |

Dark Assassin15
Failed Diplomacy
3
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:37:00 -
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Alua Oresson wrote:Dark Assassin15 wrote:Lets all hold hands and cry about it. Bawls, hands Dark Assassin a handkerchief.
/uses handkerchief to cover eyes from this Fail thread.
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
391
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:37:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Thats where you are wrong, also you will find griffins screw neutral rr right over.
Griffins are hilarious ships. No one ever expects a Griffin to accomplish anything, but then it goes and knocks some multi million SP player out of the fight as effectively as if he had been destroyed.
Challenging other players to frigates duels with a Griffin is equally hilarious. |

Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
391
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:38:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:Bait him to a belt, then get point, scram, web and tons of ewar on him and kill him with noobships.
The more noobships on the killmail the better, a single blackbird and a dedicated tackler is all you need.
War should end the next week
The Velator can carry drones. With enough velators anything dies. |

Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords BLACK-MARK
87
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:41:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Gilbaron wrote:Bait him to a belt, then get point, scram, web and tons of ewar on him and kill him with noobships.
The more noobships on the killmail the better, a single blackbird and a dedicated tackler is all you need.
War should end the next week The Velator can carry drones. With enough velators anything dies.
Bonus points for all civilian modules |

Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
391
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:41:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: The minute he gets online (hint: watchlist), find out where he is (hint: locator agent), and get cloaked eyes on him. Keep your corporation informed of his moves. If he gets inside 2 jumps of anyone, they either lock up or move away. He'll get bored and dec someone who does not yet have a clue pretty fast. When you do not have eyes on him, have everyone watch local, and stay docked if he is in system and report any sightings.
This solution has the same problem as most of the other solutions posted. They require teamwork and a player or alt willing to do something that won't have an immediate positive impact on their wallet. High-Sec pubbies are generally incapable of this. High-Sec pubbies will mine together as that requires no real teamwork past being in the same gang as the Orca, but that's about the limit, having one of them just scouting, ahaha, the idea is laughable. |

Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
61
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:43:00 -
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Cost of doing business for operating near/at a trade hub.
Working as intended. |

Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
391
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:45:00 -
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But really, just camp him into a station for a day or two. That wardec will go away rather quickly. The folks that wardec high-sec pubbie corps have the same testicular fortitude as the corps they dec. |

Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:52:00 -
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Roime wrote:Easiest way to avoid wardecs is to move out of hisec.
Yeah sad thing is many high sec "war" corps dont go into low sec.
This is because high sec wars are ******* cheap for the most part.
Granted I see their legit purpose, but doesn't mean as they are that they're not cheap tactics BS. Hopefully the up coming changes will help, and address more neutral RR'ing or the like BS.
But you do need a find a way to deal with them aside from just docking up. Consolidate your members... provide pvp ships they can use.... Consolidate your members. Focus train them to fly **** aside from mining ships or pve BS's. Once again get your people together in one place.
Best way to deal is your leadership, and direction. If you guys aren't good enough then pool money together and hire some folks. But really it takes numbers, and organization, and focus.
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Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords BLACK-MARK
88
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:55:00 -
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Dark Fusion Industries [DFIDS] Found in his corp history. Anyone want to bet that this is the corp that is having the issues? |

Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:57:00 -
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You know what else sucks, in racing games they constantly want you to be racing the car.. what If I just want to walk around the track, go to a bar, they need to offer more options in these games, it's not fair that they expect me to do what the game is about :( |

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
421
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Posted - 2012.04.06 18:11:00 -
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So get the biggest fleet together that you can and camp his Jita station until he raises the white flag.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
256
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Posted - 2012.04.06 18:18:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:nonstop non-consensual pvp is not a feature
Technically all the PVP is consensual. You consent by accepting the EULA.
"Working as intended."
You should probably try the NPC corp. Bonus: Those guys sure do know a lot about EVE! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Marduk Nibiru
Risk Breakers C0NVICTED
162
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Posted - 2012.04.06 18:23:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock.
Do you really need someone to point out the problem here?? Sigh...very well.
It is you who are doing a disservice to your "members" by recruiting them into a corp that doesn't have your full attention. Don't recruit people into your alt corp and expect them to stick around.
Really. This has to be one of the dumbest attempts to garner sympathy that I've ever seen. Those corps that wardeced your alt corp into oblivion did your members a great service. |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
436
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Posted - 2012.04.06 18:24:00 -
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Corps that can't protect their new members from a single person and a few RR alts don't deserve to have new members.
The problem is that you are weak and incompetent, it's not a game mechanic issue. |

Marduk Nibiru
Risk Breakers C0NVICTED
162
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Posted - 2012.04.06 18:34:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Thats where you are wrong, also you will find griffins screw neutral rr right over.
Not really being up on hisec mechanics....how so? Won't concord butt **** a griffin that activates ECM on a neut? Will they last long enough for the rest to **** the target? |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
531
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Posted - 2012.04.06 18:35:00 -
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The OP does have a point, this sort of thing hurts new player retention. It is short sighted of the high sec PVP crowd to go after them for easy kills. This is not to say the OP or newbies should get any special protections, anyone can go NPC corp any time they want and avoid war.
PVP for tears is lame, go club some baby seals instead. |
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