Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:

nonstop non-consensual pvp is not a feature

I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:

My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock.

I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem.

The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. :

I will laugh my ass off if this guy is actually part of a pvp group baiting gankbears into giving them free wars to fight.

I will laugh my ass off if this guy is actually part of a pvp group baiting gankbears into giving them free wars to fight.

If you're going to have a corp, you need to know how to defend it. Otherwise don't start one. this is what I'd do in such a situation:

Use stations with small docking rings. Get him to camp a corpmate in and then engage him with a logi-supported BC fleet. Use a couple of neutrals to bump his RR off station and see how quickly he scrambles to get out of the fight before you land something on those RR and start killing them.

Once you've won the field and he's docked up, smack talk. Ransom him. Demand he withdraw his wardec. Do whatever you want with him, you won the fight and he's going to have to cry for backup if he's going to press the war. From that point on, he's the guy who picked a fight he couldn't win.

If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

(...)

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:

The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth.

Thats where you are wrong, also you will find griffins screw neutral rr right over.

Easiest way to avoid wardecs is to move out of hisec.

I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:

To the OP, how many wardecs do you have now? (No, not my alliance, we don't play in hi sec.)

I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:

Lets all hold hands and cry about it.

nothing to do for a week but sit in dock.

Bawls, hands Dark Assassin a handkerchief.

Thats where you are wrong, also you will find griffins screw neutral rr right over.

Bait him to a belt, then get point, scram, web and tons of ewar on him and kill him with noobships.

The more noobships on the killmail the better, a single blackbird and a dedicated tackler is all you need.

War should end the next week

The Velator can carry drones. With enough velators anything dies.

The minute he gets online (hint: watchlist), find out where he is (hint: locator agent), and get cloaked eyes on him. Keep your corporation informed of his moves. If he gets inside 2 jumps of anyone, they either lock up or move away. He'll get bored and dec someone who does not yet have a clue pretty fast. When you do not have eyes on him, have everyone watch local, and stay docked if he is in system and report any sightings.

Easiest way to avoid wardecs is to move out of hisec.

nonstop non-consensual pvp is not a feature

My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock.

Thats where you are wrong, also you will find griffins screw neutral rr right over.

The OP does have a point, this sort of thing hurts new player retention. It is short sighted of the high sec PVP crowd to go after them for easy kills. This is not to say the OP or newbies should get any special protections, anyone can go NPC corp any time they want and avoid war.

PVP for tears is lame, go club some baby seals instead.

The OP does have a point, this sort of thing hurts new player retention. It is short sighted of the high sec PVP crowd to go after them for easy kills. This is not to say the OP or newbies should get any special protections, anyone can go NPC corp any time they want and avoid war.

PVP for tears is lame, go club some baby seals instead.

Not really being up on hisec mechanics....how so? Won't concord butt **** a griffin that activates ECM on a neut? Will they last long enough for the rest to **** the target?

Yes, killing baby seals in a visceral fashion is much better than blowing up your pretend internet spaceship.

If you want to shield yourself from war decs, I would move to the most dangerous space you can find near you - Amamake, Tama, OMS and the like. Take your entire corp in t1 frigs, and make insta-undocks from the stations once you get there.

The hostile local population will pretty much ensure that WTs don't camp you, and most -10s won't spend hours camping you specifically if all you're flying is T1 frigs - if they do, you have instaundocks to escape with. Let the pirates do the work for you killing off anyone that tries to come camp you, then spend the rest of the week out in low sec in frigates learning PvP at almost no cost. I guarantee you'll have more fun this way than sitting docked in a highsec station.

I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:

Don't worry, whoever in CCP who was stopping the kiddies from committing UO suicide has stopped trying.

Now the kiddies have decided to wreck everything in sight. Most MMO games say "we provide new content every year".

Eve says "Null Bear no like Missioners! Null Bear say make mission running suck! Null Bear say LESS CONTENT EVERY YEAR GOOD! ME SMART! ME REDUCE EVE CONTENT! ME SMART! NULL BEAR SAY!"

After fully reviewing the monumental folly of the proposed changes, I know exactly what is going to happen.

Don't worry, whoever in CCP who was stopping the kiddies from committing UO suicide has stopped trying.

Now the kiddies have decided to wreck everything in sight. Most MMO games say "we provide new content every year".

Eve says "Null Bear no like Missioners! Null Bear say make mission running suck! Null Bear say LESS CONTENT EVERY YEAR GOOD! ME SMART! ME REDUCE EVE CONTENT! ME SMART! NULL BEAR SAY!"

After fully reviewing the monumental folly of the proposed changes, I know exactly what is going to happen.

I'm sorry I couldn't post sooner but I was wiping Mountain Dew off my monitor.

The strawman in here is pretty massive. Sort of makes one wonder if there are any non-fallacious thoughts trying to fumble their way out onto the forums any time soon...

[quote=Darth Gustav]
That is CCP removing content.

One month old pilot. No killboard stats, in NPC corp, spouting off about missions. Yep, must be a mission runner's posting alt. As you are a posting alt, your opinion is invalid.

Well, their nerfing ship bounties, mission drops, and deliberately creating massive inflation(as the Null Bears have admitted in other posts I have made). Tags and other idiocy has already nerfed LP. The massive inflation has already nerfed, and will continue to nerf the value of ISK earned from missions. Almost all Null Bear have displayed an actual hatred of ISK sinks... see the demented whining on my refining threat..... so they want this nerfing of ISK value to continue.

Mission rewards have plummeted and continue to plummet. When content becomes pointless to do, it might as well not exist.

That is CCP removing content.

Your a Null Bear. Your opinion is informed by absolute selfishness justified with wild lies.

nerfing ship bounties, mission drops, and deliberately creating massive inflation

Your a Null Bear. Your opinion is informed by absolute selfishness justified with wild lies.

You have no idea what an insta-warp bookmark is, do you?

I live in lo sec now. But I do enjoy nullsec.

If it was up to me all hi sec would become low sec.

Actually, I don't do any PVE content. I mainly fund myself with PLEX because I find the PVE content to be so terrible. Yes, I spend money, sometimes monthly to avoid ANY PVE content. What is your argument now?

There are ways to deal with instas. I was going to explain a few, then realized that would be giving away what is apparently rare information. If you can't figure it out, I'll let you continue thinking they're a problem. Just know that I have a habit of showing up in them.

So you are an UO unlimited griefing person.

Well, see my response to the "benefit" of CCP listening to the likes of you.

So you are an UO unlimited griefing person.

Well, see my response to the "benefit" of CCP listening to the likes of you.

I don' t think you know what inflation is and why that statement is contradictory.

Does nerfing mission drops and drone goo increase or decrease inflation?

Perhaps you need to think about what CCP is actually doing a little more.

Does nerfing mission drops and drone goo increase or decrease inflation?

Perhaps you need to think about what CCP is actually doing a little more.

This is your trial by fire. You are either a predator or a victim in Eve.

Does nerfing mission drops and drone goo increase or decrease inflation?

Perhaps you need to think about what CCP is actually doing a little more.

You are still hiding your main behind a posting alt. Again, your opinion is invalid. In fact, I'll make it very easy for you. Currently I am in branch, mostly around CS- and BKG, sometimes RO9. I invite anyone that disagrees with me to come up here and take it out on me.

What say you coward? I say you lack the intestinal fortitude to experience the full glory that is Eve Online. You hide in highsec from your fear of losing things. You don't realize that you lose out on great experiences due to your fear.

Grow a pair, instead of cowering in the corner?

And yet CCP listens to you.

I'm curious how this all relates to the OP's problem?

Hurr durr, my parents didn't love me, I am a tough guy on the internet. DERP DERP.

Given the the past six months of changes, you REALLY think CCP isn't favoring highsec right now?

Bounties are being dropped because bounties are the biggest isk fountain in the game. Hopefully they'll renorm incursions after that, but we'll have to wait and see. They've already ruined the wardec system and Inferno's changes aren't looking all that great right now. They have been and will continue to make it HARDER for us to gank you, steal from you, and scam you. Most of the changes CCP makes lately have to do with giving you a nice plastic helmet to keep you from bumping your head if you fall down.

Name those changes.

I'll name some negative changes:
1.The "new wardec system" makes every Null Sec mega-alliance immune to War-Decs. So yeah, that's really mean to Null-Sec.

2.Put high taxes on PI in High Sec while Null Sec has effectively zero and planets that are 4 times as better as well. Low Sec got shafted in terms of PI as well.

3.Nerf of Drone Goo makes Null/Wormhole major suppliers of minerals.

4.Incursion Nerf. Only necessary change, but it still is a nerf to High Sec.


If you are in Low Sec, sure, you might be getting some bad stuff. You aren't CCP's little darlings, so you could be getting the shaft to. Jump Freighters, for example, were a big present to the Nulls and a big kick in the but to you.

I'd really like a list of EXPLICIT positive changes made for High Sec.

Not just, ya know, the War Dec changes really benefit High. Ya know? Like for sure dude.

That doesn't count.

Wow you just have no idea what you're talking about huh?

Guess what?

EVE is harsh. 'Nuff said.

1. What is stopping you people from forming massive alliances and coalitions in the area of Eve with the highest population density?

2. Null-sec taxes on PI are sometimes higher than high-sec, depending on your alliance's power and prestige. Destructible POCOs sure do favor nullsec though

3. Miners should be the primary suppliers of minerals. That a drone crusade could deflate the mineral market to such extremes before this was done is...notable.

4. A nerf to high-sec where it's obviously needed for the benefit of non-participants who were literally being griefed by the inflation it was generating. Right?

What makes you think that high-sec needs a bunch of changes designed to be in its favor again?

Oh right, fallacious thoughts, etc.

I've no issue with it being hard, I am questing the wisdom of ganking noobs.

"Ganking noobs" is strictly regulated by the EULA and enforced by GM's. There's basically a near-zero tolerance policy on it.

Experienced players are fair game. Unless you're implying people can somehow opt to remain noobs for their entire Eve career.

I guess now that I think about it there's a trend toward that very thing. Curious.

Excuse me for the lazy use of the word "noob" ... how about younger players that are not yet ready for the trials? IMO, anyone six months old is a noob.

Ladies here's a good rule of thumb:

You know you've nursed for far too long when your son looks at you and says, "Mom, give me tittay!"

Which, gentlemen, is pretty much what is happening all over these forums right now.

Guess what? Binky time is almost over.

Jita will burn.

PVP for tears is lame, go club some baby seals instead.

Remotely assisting someone who is at war flags you with aggression to all of the people the person you are assisting is at war with making you a legal target as long as you have a remote assistance module active and for 15 minutes afterward.

You can, jam, neut and blap neutral logistics as much as you like without penalty or concord interference.

When does the hand holding stop?

I am not arguing for some mechanic to protect them. Again, I am questioning the wisdom of going after them. IMO the CCP stance is the only viable choice, "you join a corp, you make your self a valid target for war decs." This does not also mean it is good to go war dec a bunch of noobs just because you can.

Targeting one or more market hubs is not the same as "targeting noobs" I assure you.

Agreed, my focus was on the "war dec" aspect presnted by the OP.

Did I mention?

Jita will burn.

WTS, low friction nozzle joints

You are right OP but griefing isn't an MMO genre either. It's the leftover scraps of other genres that other MMO's nerf out of thier games.

Perhaps one day CCP will move away from its misguided business model.

When I tried to read this all I could think about was the irony of your nearly-exposed breasts in a thread with a lactation duration joke on the same page tied directly to babies crying for mom's teat in Eve.

And now all I can think of is how coddled your Baby Hughy must be.

What grade did you say he was in again? He's so big...

This was an allegorical post. See what I just did there?

Just because you couldn't cut it NRDS doesn't mean the rest of us can't.

It baffles my why people can't seem to grasp that different people like different things. Just because THEY think PvP is an enjoyable part of the game, it doesn't mean that EVERYONE feels this way.

I play Battlefield 3 - it's so fun! All of you need to play Battlefield 3 now or you're just an idiot who doesn't know what fun is.

I prefer the taste of Pepsi to Coke - if you don't agree, you're a bozo who shouldn't drink pop.

etc...

Sadly, I was dropped on my head as an infant, now I'm a wise-guy on the internet. Yuck yuck yuck.

IC. I was under the mistaken assumption that the whole issue with neut RR was they could RR without flags

This is why I don't play hisec games, and when I do I generally lose :P

It baffles my why people can't seem to grasp that different people like different things. Just because THEY think PvP is an enjoyable part of the game, it doesn't mean that EVERYONE feels this way.

I play Battlefield 3 - it's so fun! All of you need to play Battlefield 3 now or you're just an idiot who doesn't know what fun is.

I prefer the taste of Pepsi to Coke - if you don't agree, you're a bozo who shouldn't drink pop.

etc...

But then it would be consensual PvP and he couldn't make a whine thread about it.

It baffles my why people can't seem to grasp that different people like different things. Just because THEY think PvP is an enjoyable part of the game, it doesn't mean that EVERYONE feels this way.

I play Battlefield 3 - it's so fun! All of you need to play Battlefield 3 now or you're just an idiot who doesn't know what fun is.

I prefer the taste of Pepsi to Coke - if you don't agree, you're a bozo who shouldn't drink pop.

etc...

There are ways to deal with instas. I was going to explain a few, then realized that would be giving away what is apparently rare information. If you can't figure it out, I'll let you continue thinking they're a problem. Just know that I have a habit of showing up in them.

I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:

If you want to shield yourself from war decs, I would move to the most dangerous space you can find near you - Amamake, Tama, OMS and the like. Take your entire corp in t1 frigs, and make insta-undocks from the stations once you get there.

The hostile local population will pretty much ensure that WTs don't camp you, and most -10s won't spend hours camping you specifically if all you're flying is T1 frigs - if they do, you have instaundocks to escape with. Let the pirates do the work for you killing off anyone that tries to come camp you, then spend the rest of the week out in low sec in frigates learning PvP at almost no cost. I guarantee you'll have more fun this way than sitting docked in a highsec station.

I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it.

My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock.

Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?

Who says I don't? Slander will get you nowhere!

No, non-consensual PvP IS the game, even if you don't like to partake in it. If you don't like BF3, don't play it. If you don't like coke, don't drink it. If you don't like Eve, don't play it.

This is kinda funny. CCP spends money trying to get new players in, the new player area has quite a few.

Then the players drive them away with all the GTFO, A$$hat, you suck, crap in the forums and in the game.

I'm sure there are a lot of casual gamers that don't play this game to long.

It's really not looking good.

we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem.

However, the simple fact is that Eve survives and grows year after year because it is absolutely unique.

Survives yes, grows no. I did a trial end of 2005, don't know what the login is anymore

It grows year after year, except for one blip where they betrayed the very core foundation of the game that we are discussing.

Like you said, it's there game, if you don't like it GTFO.

Exactly. A bunch of people didn't like it, so they "gtfo". Then CCP realized they didn't want those people to "gtfo", so they changed their direction towards development that leads to a bigger subscriber base, not a smaller one.

Again, this is all very simple and clear. You're having a hard time running in circles around a simple point. I'm sorry that Eve is different than you want it to be. I wish you could have a spaceship game that wasn't Eve. However, CCP has a clear formula for what works for Eve and what doesn't, and non-consensual PvP in a spaceship sandbox game works.

by signing a petition like mine you can help make a statment on how you feel about things

Stuff.

Another thread full of trolls (and Goons, but that`s the same thing)

If you can't even expend the mental effort to come up with a creative retort, why even bother posting?

Except that you've forgotten that Eve is a cold uncaring place where the victim doesn't have a choice. This is encouraged by the developers as it makes their game the only one like it in the world. A wonderful marketing gimmick.

**** victims dont have a choice so u r saying u support ****...u r sick and thats why ppl like u need a time out and jail time

In Uno you don't have a choice. You have to draw four when that card is played on you.

If our children throw a tantrum we explain to them that these are the rules, but it's just a game.

Then we make the child draw four. Sometimes they cry. Some parents maybe take pictures. It's ******* hilarious.

It's for their own good, in the end, to learn to play by the rules.

But people like you just want to change the rules.

Maturity is a beautifully elusive flower in a vast and arid desert.

teaching kids to play swkor is better use of time uno is fine if you have add and want to play 52 pick up

**** victims dont have a choice so u r saying u support ****...u r sick and thats why ppl like u need a time out and jail time

No. You are sick. You cannot distinguish between a game GÇö where everyone plays within the rules or they get banned GÇö and a vicious real-life crime that leaves pretty much everyone involved horribly mentally scarred for the rest of their lives.

Take your medications. Now.

i think you need to stop cyber sstalkingme, srsly im not interested and no means no

I think you need to be hospitalised immediately.

You just said **** was a game or that, at least in your mind, there is no difference between the two. You twisted, sick little ******* psychopath. Seek help before it's too late.

i dont think you even know how to read what i write so just stop and pls dont bother me with stuff you dont understand

I know full well how to read. You are making parallels between normal gameplay in a competitive gaming environment and real-life sexual criminality. Don't you get it?!

What you just did was that you compared **** to a game. This is sickening beyond belief!

You need to seek psychiatric help immediately before you hurt yourself or someone around you. In the meantime, step away from the keyboard and take a moment to think about what you just said and why it makes you a deeply deranged person. If you can't see the very clear difference between sexual assault and a game, then something is fundamentally wrong with you. You need to be fixed. Right this second.

*looks at 8 pages of jerks and people not offering any good advice

I personally think declarations of war are a broken mechanic. They can be fun for both defenders and attackers, but it is too easy to exploit them and cause unending grief to a corporation. Don't ask me what I would do to fix them though, it wouldn't be easy, without a dramatic change to the EVE we all know and love.

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Also, I think that one of the big problems is that most new players are under the impression they can form a corporation, recruit other new players, and somehow miraculously be the best corporation in the game

Considering that, I would highly recommend any new players thinking about creating a new corporation to bury those dreams right now, and join an established, respectable corporation or alliance.

In order to create a successful corporation, you need to be able to lead a fleet into glorious battle and have several friends you can trust to help you manage the corporation. If you do not or cannot do these things, however, it will never be the way you think it will.

you are kidding yourself if you are going to read into what i say then you have to make and compare for everyone

I don't have to. You did the comparison, you twisted ****.

**** is not a game. Game is not ****.

Get it?

There is no comparison.

You compared the two. You think the two can be compared. This means your brain is fundamentally broken and you need to have it seen to before you do something really horrible because it's not functioning properly. Go do so, now, before it's too late!

I don't have to. You did the comparison, you twisted ****.

**** is not a game. Game is not ****.

Get it?

There is no comparison.

You compared the two. You think the two can be compared. This means your brain is fundamentally broken and you need to have it seen to before you do something really horrible because it's not functioning properly. Go do so, now, before it's too late!

i have decicded that you are not smart enough to ever understand anything that you cant i am surer you are a lovely bird but you will never understand my song, the words have too many sylabals,, please feel free to read and comment and matybe somebday have an alt i dont know but thing is tippia i cant hear you sing and more

So your "good advice" is to say you don't know how you'd change wardecs, new players should give up their aspirations of running a corp, and just get more friends they can trust?

(-_-) Yeah. . . I should have communicated it a little differently. . . .

Concerning Ships and PvP:

If you cannot afford to lose it, don't fly it.

Concerning Corporations:

If you do not have the ability to defend it, don't create it.

(-_-) Yeah. . . I should have communicated it a little differently. . . .

Concerning Ships and PvP:

If you cannot afford to lose it, don't fly it.

Concerning Corporations:

If you do not have the ability to defend it, don't create it.

I know full well how to read. You are making parallels between normal gameplay in a competitive gaming environment and real-life sexual criminality. Don't you get it?!

What you just did was that you compared **** to a game. This is sickening beyond belief!

You need to seek psychiatric help immediately before you hurt yourself or someone around you. In the meantime, step away from the keyboard and take a moment to think about what you just said and why it makes you a deeply deranged person. If you can't see the very clear difference between sexual assault and a game, then something is fundamentally wrong with you. You need to be fixed. Right this second.

**** victims dont have a choice so u r saying u support ****...u r sick and thats why ppl like u need a time out and jail time

Tippia, this is called discounting. It is psychologically abusive and does result in real world trauma. Its often found at the root of certain kinds of neurosis. Its not unusual for corp members to council one another. I've dealt with real traumas lasting weeks among my corp members.

You got no more right to psychologically abuse a person than Mittani.

But thanks for making a post showing you're nothing more than an over the top troll.

I have no doubt that scooter is suffering from some kind of neurosis already GÇö he needs to understand this and have it handled by professionals.

I'm sure some people would seriously take him at his word and try to get us arrested if they could...

Internet terrorism? (The whole jita thing). Cyber, even? It's the catchphrase nowadays right?

He would have an excellent career as a Republican pundit if he live in America.

Tarsus, I'm pretty sure scooter is a Goonswarm deep cover alt.

goon propaganda to try and silence a voice of reason...and im the republican oundit..srsly im not the one saying im wrong nonstop no matter what i say...valid argurment to shut goons down and make them take a time out in the corner....and iin all of it...im th eone who is crazy.and a troll..no i am a voice of reason

Voices of reason typically aren't illiterate.

Yes they are.

There's Joan of Arc illiterate and then there's Scooter illiterate.

goon propaganda to try and silence a voice of reason

im not being mean to you yet you continue to try and kick me in th egut, not kewl

Amongst hundred of thousands of players you're going to have a few mentally diseased ones or socially inept players who will take things to an unreasonable level.

Comparing sexual assault and playing a game is not GÇ£a voice of reasonGÇ¥ GÇö it's more like the hellishly offensive guttural belch of insanity.

You know, many would say those mentally ill players are, you know -

us.

Scooter. If you like we can pretend that Deklein is the ghetto.

Also sending squeaky bees, a variety package of snacks and an adorable card decorated in hand drawn crayons to a member of an enemy alliance who's Dreadnaught we blew up.

Where can I get a squeaky bee?

It is. It's also apparenyl Occupational Hazard's new home or something. I think also, uh, Raiden. decided to crash on our couch because their Tenal one is on fire.

Scooter. If you like we can pretend that Deklein is the ghetto.

Where can I get a squeaky bee? Wait, can I find one on our ~secret forums~?

Survives yes, grows no. I did a trial end of 2005, don't know what the login is anymore.

There were something like 55k users logged in at that time.

It hasn't been that high the last couple of weeks.

You are a blatant liar. Chirbba's graphs
2005-2006 the numbers never got any higher than 25k.

You are a blatant liar. Chirbba's graphs
2005-2006 the numbers never got any higher than 25k.

You are a blatant liar. Chirbba's graphs
2005-2006 the numbers never got any higher than 25k.

Not to mention players logged in is a terrible metric that fluctuates radically based on the time of day and time of year, seasonal variation, school breaks, etc... Active subscriptions of Eve-Online have been on a steady rise ever since the game was released. Even during the travesty of the Incarna expansion Eve continued to attract new subscriptions and retain existing ones. As long as Eve continues to be the only "blow people up in space that is actually jello" MMO, it will continue to have positive growth.