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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1283
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:14:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:And yet CCP listens to you.
Given the the past six months of changes, you REALLY think CCP isn't favoring highsec right now?
Bounties are being dropped because bounties are the biggest isk fountain in the game. Hopefully they'll renorm incursions after that, but we'll have to wait and see. They've already ruined the wardec system and Inferno's changes aren't looking all that great right now. They have been and will continue to make it HARDER for us to gank you, steal from you, and scam you. Most of the changes CCP makes lately have to do with giving you a nice plastic helmet to keep you from bumping your head if you fall down. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
736
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:15:00 -
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Alua Oresson wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:nerfing ship bounties, mission drops, and deliberately creating massive inflation I don' t think you know what inflation is and why that statement is contradictory. Does nerfing mission drops and drone goo increase or decrease inflation? Perhaps you need to think about what CCP is actually doing a little more. I'm curious how this all relates to the OP's problem? This is now just an amusing flame thread. Best one in a while, actually. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
267
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:15:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Alua Oresson wrote:This is your trial by fire. You are either a predator or a victim in Eve. Hurr durr, my parents didn't love me, I am a tough guy on the internet. DERP DERP. Sadly, I was dropped on my head as an infant, now I'm a wise-guy on the internet. Yuck yuck yuck. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:23:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:And yet CCP listens to you. Given the the past six months of changes, you REALLY think CCP isn't favoring highsec right now? Bounties are being dropped because bounties are the biggest isk fountain in the game. Hopefully they'll renorm incursions after that, but we'll have to wait and see. They've already ruined the wardec system and Inferno's changes aren't looking all that great right now. They have been and will continue to make it HARDER for us to gank you, steal from you, and scam you. Most of the changes CCP makes lately have to do with giving you a nice plastic helmet to keep you from bumping your head if you fall down.
Name those changes.
I'll name some negative changes: 1.The "new wardec system" makes every Null Sec mega-alliance immune to War-Decs. So yeah, that's really mean to Null-Sec.
2.Put high taxes on PI in High Sec while Null Sec has effectively zero and planets that are 4 times as better as well. Low Sec got shafted in terms of PI as well.
3.Nerf of Drone Goo makes Null/Wormhole major suppliers of minerals.
4.Incursion Nerf. Only necessary change, but it still is a nerf to High Sec.
If you are in Low Sec, sure, you might be getting some bad stuff. You aren't CCP's little darlings, so you could be getting the shaft to. Jump Freighters, for example, were a big present to the Nulls and a big kick in the but to you.
I'd really like a list of EXPLICIT positive changes made for High Sec.
Not just, ya know, the War Dec changes really benefit High. Ya know? Like for sure dude.
That doesn't count. |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
436
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:27:00 -
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Wow you just have no idea what you're talking about huh? |

Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
137
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:27:00 -
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OP a number of things for you
1. There is only non consenual pvp in this game. It other type does not exist.
2. The people insulting you are long term players and dont remember what it was like when they had no pvp skills or understanding of the mechanics
3. People who call for tears on the forums are the normally the saddest people you will ever see and ive talked to lots of them in game on vent/mumbler etc
4. if you want no more wardecs leave caldari space. Its were most people are and griefers scan roid fields looking for easy marks all the time Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1472
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:28:00 -
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This thread sucks. The OP and everybody in it, including myself, should feel very ashamed of themselves. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
267
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:28:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Name those changes.
I'll name some negative changes: 1.The "new wardec system" makes every Null Sec mega-alliance immune to War-Decs. So yeah, that's really mean to Null-Sec.
2.Put high taxes on PI in High Sec while Null Sec has effectively zero and planets that are 4 times as better as well. Low Sec got shafted in terms of PI as well.
3.Nerf of Drone Goo makes Null/Wormhole major suppliers of minerals.
4.Incursion Nerf. Only necessary change, but it still is a nerf to High Sec.
If you are in Low Sec, sure, you might be getting some bad stuff. You aren't CCP's little darlings, so you could be getting the shaft to. Jump Freighters, for example, were a big present to the Nulls and a big kick in the but to you.
I'd really like a list of EXPLICIT positive changes made for High Sec.
Not just, ya know, the War Dec changes really benefit High. Ya know? Like for sure dude.
That doesn't count.
1. What is stopping you people from forming massive alliances and coalitions in the area of Eve with the highest population density?
2. Null-sec taxes on PI are sometimes higher than high-sec, depending on your alliance's power and prestige. Destructible POCOs sure do favor nullsec though 
3. Miners should be the primary suppliers of minerals. That a drone crusade could deflate the mineral market to such extremes before this was done is...notable.
4. A nerf to high-sec where it's obviously needed for the benefit of non-participants who were literally being griefed by the inflation it was generating. Right?
What makes you think that high-sec needs a bunch of changes designed to be in its favor again?
Oh right, fallacious thoughts, etc. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:36:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Wow you just have no idea what you're talking about huh?
Explain then. I have yet to here a real answer to anything I have said.
The hysterical whining in the refining as ISK sink thread has already established the level of this debate, so if you want me to rise above "module refining need give no minerals, drones need give no minerals, all high end minerals only in Null/Worm" then raise it above that. Cause I have yet to see decent discussions.
Or maybe "Let's take the 100,000,000 ISK peoples wallet to zero cause they won't leave" was the height of wisdom?
WoW doesn't take the Epics away, it simply adds bigger Epics on top. There is a difference between that and just taking someones pile of cash which they have spent literally years accumulating and just making it worthless.
But, yeah know, maybe it will work. Maybe people will response calmly to years of playtime going up in smoke.
OR MAYBE THEY WON'T. |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
268
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:39:00 -
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Then read the post directly above your last one.
You know, where I answer every single thing you listed. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
532
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:42:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote: Guess what?
EVE is harsh. 'Nuff said.
I've no issue with it being hard, I am questioning the wisdom of ganking noobs. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
661
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:44:00 -
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ganking noobs is inevitable when wardecs in eve are so easy to get out of all the good targets have decshields set up or are in NPC corps - so it's the noobs who don't do these things that receive all the stomping hth |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:44:00 -
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Quote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Name those changes.
I'll name some negative changes: 1.The "new wardec system" makes every Null Sec mega-alliance immune to War-Decs. So yeah, that's really mean to Null-Sec.
2.Put high taxes on PI in High Sec while Null Sec has effectively zero and planets that are 4 times as better as well. Low Sec got shafted in terms of PI as well.
3.Nerf of Drone Goo makes Null/Wormhole major suppliers of minerals.
4.Incursion Nerf. Only necessary change, but it still is a nerf to High Sec.
If you are in Low Sec, sure, you might be getting some bad stuff. You aren't CCP's little darlings, so you could be getting the shaft to. Jump Freighters, for example, were a big present to the Nulls and a big kick in the but to you.
I'd really like a list of EXPLICIT positive changes made for High Sec.
Not just, ya know, the War Dec changes really benefit High. Ya know? Like for sure dude.
That doesn't count. 1. What is stopping you people from forming massive alliances and coalitions in the area of Eve with the highest population density? 2. Null-sec taxes on PI are sometimes higher than high-sec, depending on your alliance's power and prestige. Destructible POCOs sure do favor nullsec though 
Absolutely. They can drop a capital pack on any Low Sec Poco and incinerate it easily. If the 10 man pirate corp wants to defend the POCO, they are free to show up to the capital fight.
Quote: 3. Miners should be the primary suppliers of minerals. That a drone crusade could deflate the mineral market to such extremes before this was done is...notable.
And since those minerals only exist in Null and Wormhole...that would be a big gimme to those two groups. Rare minerals should be present in Low. Reasons are immaterial. Plus to Null. Minus to High.
Quote: 4. A nerf to high-sec where it's obviously needed for the benefit of non-participants who were literally being griefed by the inflation it was generating. Right?
It benefits both Null and High. But it also is negative to High. So on the balance, negative to High. But this was necessary.
Quote: What makes you think that high-sec needs a bunch of changes designed to be in its favor again?
Oh right, fallacious thoughts, etc.
|

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
268
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:45:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:masternerdguy wrote: Guess what?
EVE is harsh. 'Nuff said.
I've no issue with it being hard, I am questing the wisdom of ganking noobs.
"Ganking noobs" is strictly regulated by the EULA and enforced by GM's. There's basically a near-zero tolerance policy on it.
Experienced players are fair game. Unless you're implying people can somehow opt to remain noobs for their entire Eve career.
I guess now that I think about it there's a trend toward that very thing. Curious.  He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
532
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:51:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:"Ganking noobs" is strictly regulated by the EULA and enforced by GM's. There's basically a near-zero tolerance policy on it. Experienced players are fair game. Unless you're implying people can somehow opt to remain noobs for their entire Eve career. I guess now that I think about it there's a trend toward that very thing. Curious. 
Excuse me for the lazy use of the word "noob" ... how about younger players that are not yet ready for the trials? IMO, anyone six months old is a noob. |

masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
102
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:53:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:"Ganking noobs" is strictly regulated by the EULA and enforced by GM's. There's basically a near-zero tolerance policy on it. Experienced players are fair game. Unless you're implying people can somehow opt to remain noobs for their entire Eve career. I guess now that I think about it there's a trend toward that very thing. Curious.  Excuse me for the lazy use of the word "noob" ... how about younger players that are not yet ready for the trials? IMO, anyone six months old is a noob.
When does the hand holding stop?
When they get a cruiser? When they get a battleship? When they leave hi sec? When they feel like it?
See the problem? Things are only impossible until they are not. |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
269
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:58:00 -
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Ladies here's a good rule of thumb:
You know you've nursed for far too long when your son looks at you and says, "Mom, give me tittay!"
Which, gentlemen, is pretty much what is happening all over these forums right now.
Guess what? Binky time is almost over.
Jita will burn. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords BLACK-MARK
93
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:59:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Ladies here's a good rule of thumb:
You know you've nursed for far too long when your son looks at you and says, "Mom, give me tittay!"
Which, gentlemen, is pretty much what is happening all over these forums right now.
Guess what? Binky time is almost over.
Jita will burn.
Thanks for reminding me. I still need to get ready for that. |

Marduk Nibiru
Risk Breakers C0NVICTED
162
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:03:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote: PVP for tears is lame, go club some baby seals instead.
Who says I don't? Slander will get you nowhere! |

Marduk Nibiru
Risk Breakers C0NVICTED
162
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:10:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Marduk Nibiru wrote:Doddy wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Thats where you are wrong, also you will find griffins screw neutral rr right over. Not really being up on hisec mechanics....how so? Won't concord butt **** a griffin that activates ECM on a neut? Will they last long enough for the rest to **** the target? Remotely assisting someone who is at war flags you with aggression to all of the people the person you are assisting is at war with making you a legal target as long as you have a remote assistance module active and for 15 minutes afterward. You can, jam, neut and blap neutral logistics as much as you like without penalty or concord interference.
IC. I was under the mistaken assumption that the whole issue with neut RR was they could RR without flags.
This is why I don't play hisec games, and when I do I generally lose :P |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
532
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:20:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:When does the hand holding stop?
I am not arguing for some mechanic to protect them. Again, I am questioning the wisdom of going after them. IMO the CCP stance is the only viable choice, "you join a corp, you make your self a valid target for war decs." This does not also mean it is good to go war dec a bunch of noobs just because you can. |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
269
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:22:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:masternerdguy wrote:When does the hand holding stop?
I am not arguing for some mechanic to protect them. Again, I am questioning the wisdom of going after them. IMO the CCP stance is the only viable choice, "you join a corp, you make your self a valid target for war decs." This does not also mean it is good to go war dec a bunch of noobs just because you can.
Targeting one or more market hubs is not the same as "targeting noobs" I assure you. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Alexa Coates
The Scope Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:26:00 -
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it's a sandbox, deal w/ it. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
532
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:27:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Targeting one or more market hubs is not the same as "targeting noobs" I assure you.
Agreed, my focus was on the "war dec" aspect presnted by the OP. |

Skorpynekomimi
Omega Vector
165
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:28:00 -
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So go ******* gank his RR alts, THEN engage the bastard.
Or lock him in station for weeks until he gives up.
Or attack his supply lines.
WAITING IS NOT YOUR ONLY OPTION. |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
270
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:31:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Targeting one or more market hubs is not the same as "targeting noobs" I assure you. Agreed, my focus was on the "war dec" aspect presnted by the OP.
Well, with regard to him, he needs to go back to the NPC corp.
Which will make him only aggressible by suicide gankers.
Did I mention?
Jita will burn. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
533
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:37:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: Did I mention?
Jita will burn.
WTS, low friction nozzle joints |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
271
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:38:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Darth Gustav wrote: Did I mention?
Jita will burn.
WTS, low friction nozzle joints Don't forget the nanite paste. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
203
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:43:00 -
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You are right OP but griefing isn't an MMO genre either. It's the leftover scraps of other genres that other MMO's nerf out of thier games.
Perhaps one day CCP will move away from its misguided business model. |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
271
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:50:00 -
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Skydell wrote:You are right OP but griefing isn't an MMO genre either. It's the leftover scraps of other genres that other MMO's nerf out of thier games.
Perhaps one day CCP will move away from its misguided business model.
When I tried to read this all I could think about was the irony of your nearly-exposed breasts in a thread with a lactation duration joke on the same page tied directly to babies crying for mom's teat in Eve.
And now all I can think of is how coddled your Baby Hughy must be.
What grade did you say he was in again? He's so big...
This was an allegorical post. See what I just did there? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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