When I tried to read this all I could think about was the irony of your nearly-exposed breasts in a thread with a lactation duration joke on the same page tied directly to babies crying for mom's teat in Eve.

And now all I can think of is how coddled your Baby Hughy must be.

What grade did you say he was in again? He's so big...

This was an allegorical post. See what I just did there?

Just because you couldn't cut it NRDS doesn't mean the rest of us can't.

It baffles my why people can't seem to grasp that different people like different things. Just because THEY think PvP is an enjoyable part of the game, it doesn't mean that EVERYONE feels this way.

I play Battlefield 3 - it's so fun! All of you need to play Battlefield 3 now or you're just an idiot who doesn't know what fun is.

I prefer the taste of Pepsi to Coke - if you don't agree, you're a bozo who shouldn't drink pop.

etc...

Sadly, I was dropped on my head as an infant, now I'm a wise-guy on the internet. Yuck yuck yuck.

IC. I was under the mistaken assumption that the whole issue with neut RR was they could RR without flags

This is why I don't play hisec games, and when I do I generally lose :P

It baffles my why people can't seem to grasp that different people like different things. Just because THEY think PvP is an enjoyable part of the game, it doesn't mean that EVERYONE feels this way.

I play Battlefield 3 - it's so fun! All of you need to play Battlefield 3 now or you're just an idiot who doesn't know what fun is.

I prefer the taste of Pepsi to Coke - if you don't agree, you're a bozo who shouldn't drink pop.

etc...

But then it would be consensual PvP and he couldn't make a whine thread about it.

It baffles my why people can't seem to grasp that different people like different things. Just because THEY think PvP is an enjoyable part of the game, it doesn't mean that EVERYONE feels this way.

I play Battlefield 3 - it's so fun! All of you need to play Battlefield 3 now or you're just an idiot who doesn't know what fun is.

I prefer the taste of Pepsi to Coke - if you don't agree, you're a bozo who shouldn't drink pop.

etc...

There are ways to deal with instas. I was going to explain a few, then realized that would be giving away what is apparently rare information. If you can't figure it out, I'll let you continue thinking they're a problem. Just know that I have a habit of showing up in them.

I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:

If you want to shield yourself from war decs, I would move to the most dangerous space you can find near you - Amamake, Tama, OMS and the like. Take your entire corp in t1 frigs, and make insta-undocks from the stations once you get there.

The hostile local population will pretty much ensure that WTs don't camp you, and most -10s won't spend hours camping you specifically if all you're flying is T1 frigs - if they do, you have instaundocks to escape with. Let the pirates do the work for you killing off anyone that tries to come camp you, then spend the rest of the week out in low sec in frigates learning PvP at almost no cost. I guarantee you'll have more fun this way than sitting docked in a highsec station.

I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it.

My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock.

Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?

Who says I don't? Slander will get you nowhere!

No, non-consensual PvP IS the game, even if you don't like to partake in it. If you don't like BF3, don't play it. If you don't like coke, don't drink it. If you don't like Eve, don't play it.

This is kinda funny. CCP spends money trying to get new players in, the new player area has quite a few.

Then the players drive them away with all the GTFO, A$$hat, you suck, crap in the forums and in the game.

I'm sure there are a lot of casual gamers that don't play this game to long.

It's really not looking good.

we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem.

However, the simple fact is that Eve survives and grows year after year because it is absolutely unique.

Survives yes, grows no. I did a trial end of 2005, don't know what the login is anymore

It grows year after year, except for one blip where they betrayed the very core foundation of the game that we are discussing.

Like you said, it's there game, if you don't like it GTFO.

Exactly. A bunch of people didn't like it, so they "gtfo". Then CCP realized they didn't want those people to "gtfo", so they changed their direction towards development that leads to a bigger subscriber base, not a smaller one.

Again, this is all very simple and clear. You're having a hard time running in circles around a simple point. I'm sorry that Eve is different than you want it to be. I wish you could have a spaceship game that wasn't Eve. However, CCP has a clear formula for what works for Eve and what doesn't, and non-consensual PvP in a spaceship sandbox game works.