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Dmian
Gallente Gallenterrorisme
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Posted - 2008.11.15 03:27:00 -
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So, the voting for the CSM is underway, yet there's no sign of it in the home page of the site. No banner on the right column for forum readers to see either. If you go to the CSM section (clicking "CSM" on the left column) there's not much information about the voting, other than the candidates. Only a sticky on the Information Portal forum and the Dev blogs about it.
It would be nice to have more info, like the percentage of the playes that already voted (I did ), the dates, etc. You have to go to this dev blog to find out that you have time until November, 21st.
Seeing that there are many questions around, specially since the Quantum Rise deployment, and that the CSM is one of the best opportunities the players have to make their voice heard by CCP (better than what many people think,) I believe it's important to make the players aware of what's going on with the CSM and the voting.
I'd prefer to see CSM candidates debate about current issues in the Jita Park forum than see too many whining threads about the same subjects in General Discussion... |
Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.11.15 03:33:00 -
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Adding an end date to the login link would be nice. |
Ris Dnalor
Minmatar Ex Cruoris Libertas
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Posted - 2008.11.15 05:50:00 -
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better yet, use that fancy pop-up-ad technology they have on the login screen of the CLIENT to let people securely vote once per account ;)
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.11.15 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron Adding an end date to the login link would be nice.
Done.
Adding glue as well to thread, as it is related to my interests. ____________________________
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.11.15 16:20:00 -
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How handy Scagga is running for the CSM, see his campaign thread to know of his standpoints! |
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.15 16:30:00 -
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If you don't want to read through each candidate's wall of text, you can watch my CSM movie here.
Regardless of whoever you vote for, make sure you do! And don't hesitate to contact your CSM representative after the elections to get issues that are important to you discussed and looked at. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.11.15 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah If you don't want to read through each candidate's wall of text
You should however inform yourself. Informed voters are the best voters.
The CSM is too important to throw uninformed votes.
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Luigi Thirty
Caldari 19th Star Logistics
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Posted - 2008.11.15 19:26:00 -
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Voted guy with "dong" in his name |
Kylegar
Caldari Flame On
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Posted - 2008.11.15 19:57:00 -
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Naturally, l30 votes for dongs. :P |
I SoStoned
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Posted - 2008.11.15 22:33:00 -
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Is there any way to see the running trends in voting as it stands, prior to the final stats on the 21st?
We do that for every other election, a by the minute examination of poll statistics.
Just a thought... I've already voted.
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Norrin Ellis
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Posted - 2008.11.16 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: I SoStoned Is there any way to see the running trends in voting as it stands, prior to the final stats on the 21st?
We do that for every other election, a by the minute examination of poll statistics.
Just a thought... I've already voted.
That sort of coverage taints elections by suppressing votes for people who aren't currently in the lead. I'm glad CCP has done what the real world media can't seem to do - let the people vote without trying to influence them.
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Cyber Blue
Gallente Cyber Blue Consulting
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Posted - 2008.11.16 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah If you don't want to read through each candidate's wall of text, you can watch my CSM movie here.
Regardless of whoever you vote for, make sure you do! And don't hesitate to contact your CSM representative after the elections to get issues that are important to you discussed and looked at.
I voted for Ank...oops, damn it, sorry. Was anyone swayed by my slip of tongue?
End of line... |
Juzo
Caldari Retribution Enterprises Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.11.16 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cyber Blue
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah If you don't want to read through each candidate's wall of text, you can watch my CSM movie here.
Regardless of whoever you vote for, make sure you do! And don't hesitate to contact your CSM representative after the elections to get issues that are important to you discussed and looked at.
I voted for Ank...oops, damn it, sorry. Was anyone swayed by my slip of tongue?
I feel bad I voted for the other one with boobs |
Dillon Arklight
Re-Genesis
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Posted - 2008.11.16 04:48:00 -
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For anybody who wants to check out the candidates ongoing campaign threads to see what they stand for, heres a link:
Candidates Campaign Threads |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.11.16 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Norrin Ellis
Originally by: I SoStoned Is there any way to see the running trends in voting as it stands, prior to the final stats on the 21st?
We do that for every other election, a by the minute examination of poll statistics.
Just a thought... I've already voted.
That sort of coverage taints elections by suppressing votes for people who aren't currently in the lead. I'm glad CCP has done what the real world media can't seem to do - let the people vote without trying to influence them.
Yea, and who'd dare think of campaigning here? Scagga is running for the CSM, see his campaign thread to know of his standpoints! |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.16 10:02:00 -
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I voted for the guy called Abstain, I heard he's the smartest candidate. uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
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Jaala Creed
Minmatar Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.11.16 13:59:00 -
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To say it once again, I'd like to thank Xhagen for his continues work on the CSM program, and making it happen.
-Jaala |
Eran Laude
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.11.16 14:44:00 -
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I voted for Vuk Lau simply because a mate in MM told me to and I couldn't be bothered finding out anything about anyone else . . .
So . . . uhh . . . go Vuk!
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.11.16 14:54:00 -
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Had to abstain because none of the candidates has a large enough scope of view. Too petty, so no one.
-------- Ideas for: Mining
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.11.16 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Had to abstain because none of the candidates has a large enough scope of view. Too petty, so no one.
How large should it be?
I don't know about you. But I do empire industrial operations with a POS, I do low-sec piracy and from time to time I head into 0.0 and shoot at some people or go carebearing with exploration/missions. I have even spent hours defending a POS and campaign a gate.
How much of a bigger scope of view is there to get?
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Abrazzar Had to abstain because none of the candidates has a large enough scope of view. Too petty, so no one.
How large should it be?
I don't know about you. But I do empire industrial operations with a POS, I do low-sec piracy and from time to time I head into 0.0 and shoot at some people or go carebearing with exploration/missions. I have even spent hours defending a POS and campaign a gate.
How much of a bigger scope of view is there to get?
It's not what you do it's what you think.
-------- Ideas for: Mining
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Daelin Blackleaf
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Had to abstain because none of the candidates has a large enough scope of view. Too petty, so no one.
I abstained last time, but that is counted as a vote so this time none of my accounts shall be casting any kind vote, which is sadly the closest we can come to a vote to dissolve the CSM.
I won't deny things were achieved by the CSM, but ( each of them are things that could, and in my opinion should, have been achieved by the reading the forums, the devs asking for specific feedback and ideas, and threads like that fantastic initiative by Zulupark.
It is, in my personal opinion, at best a publicity stunt, at worst, a distraction.
[This is without going into the issues specific to the last CSM that may continue to be repeated] |
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.16 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Had to abstain because none of the candidates has a large enough scope of view. Too petty, so no one.
Can any mortal live up to your criteria though? |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.11.16 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Abrazzar Had to abstain because none of the candidates has a large enough scope of view. Too petty, so no one.
Can any mortal live up to your criteria though?
Sure there can. Just need to leave of the comfort zone of their own ego and get out of their own mind. Everybody is going for specific solutions, specific sub-groups or general ego fapping. Just like the common politician and those don't get anywhere either. |
ouroboros trading
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.16 19:55:00 -
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not a troll:
WHAT have the csm done/improved/affected? please, a list for us dumb voters would be lovely tyia :) |
Illwill Bill
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.11.16 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: ouroboros trading not a troll:
WHAT have the csm done/improved/affected? please, a list for us dumb voters would be lovely tyia :)
Linkage |
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.16 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Sure there can. Just need to leave of the comfort zone of their own ego and get out of their own mind. Everybody is going for specific solutions, specific sub-groups or general ego fapping. Just like the common politician and those don't get anywhere either.
There are people running that fall into that category, but there also are those that genuinely believe into making Eve better for everyone. I personally don't have an agenda myself, and I certainly support issues that go way beyond my personal playstyle or interests. People might call me a carebear for opposing suicide ganking, but the truth is that I was never affected by suicide ganking myself, and I raised this issue due to concern over the overall game balance.
Same goes with other issues. I went to do things that I would never do otherwise, to learn about other aspects of the game. I specialized in Factional Warfare, and on the current CSM I raised a few issues regarding FW, even though I'm not a PVPer myself. I went to 0.0 and low-sec to learn about small gang warfare and piracy, which are other important aspects of the game I never touched beforehand.
When discussing missions, exploration and industry I tried to integrate as many views as possible, resulting in unbiased issue documents. I treat the CSM as a job, and I don't even have the time to play Eve for myself, let alone have somekind of personal agenda or need to boost my ego.
Last CSM we had Dierdra Vaal from the Eve University, he wrote a whole document about bounty hunting, which is not exactly E-Uni's pet issue either, right? I'm sure that there are other candidates running in this election that feel the same, you just have to get out of your mind and look for them. |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.11.17 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Abrazzar Had to abstain because none of the candidates has a large enough scope of view. Too petty, so no one.
Can any mortal live up to your criteria though?
Sure there can. Just need to leave of the comfort zone of their own ego and get out of their own mind. Everybody is going for specific solutions, specific sub-groups or general ego fapping. Just like the common politician and those don't get anywhere either.
I've been working hard to address as many areas of Eve as I can with competence. If (assuming you've read my campaign thread) you think my 'scope' was lacking, could you tell me where it was? Scagga is running for the CSM, see his campaign thread to know of his standpoints! |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.11.17 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo I've been working hard to address as many areas of Eve as I can with competence. If (assuming you've read my campaign thread) you think my 'scope' was lacking, could you tell me where it was?
You are not even trying to be objective but instead list all your personal ideas for all the different areas, trying to please everyone with unreflected ideas, disregarding feasibility. You are offering single solutions for general issues instead of collecting solutions, a random brainstorm instead of an attempt at analyzing the issues.
That's where your scope is limited. |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.11.17 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo I've been working hard to address as many areas of Eve as I can with competence. If (assuming you've read my campaign thread) you think my 'scope' was lacking, could you tell me where it was?
You are not even trying to be objective but instead list all your personal ideas for all the different areas, trying to please everyone with unreflected ideas, disregarding feasibility. You are offering single solutions for general issues instead of collecting solutions, a random brainstorm instead of an attempt at analyzing the issues.
That's where your scope is limited.
Thank you for your feedback. However, there are some things I do not feel you picked up on from the OP:
1. That my main platform is that of my principles first:
Quote: I offer myself as a principled candidate û with my core principles including:
*An evidence-based approach: hard facts > hard opinion *Open-minded and ready to listen to feedback or advice: Nobody is infallible (including myself!) *Proportional attention to different aspects of EVE online: Keep the bigger picture in mind *Aim to keep Eve fun: make things simpler if there is no reason for it to be difficult
2. That, while I may have a lot of ideas, that even I mention are currently half-baked, my approach is to see that good, supported ideas receive fair attention - taking into account different aspects of the game:
Quote: While I do have many ideas as to how Eve can be improved (several of which will be linked later on), I feel that it is best to appreciate the general direction the game ought to go, rather than remain transfixed to a small number of specific issues. IÆm not running for CSM to force half-baked ideas onto the community û IÆm running for CSM to see good, supported ideas in various fields receive fair attention. With Eve being such a huge game that is played in such various ways, to tie oneÆs self down to a mere handful of issues would not do it justice.
3. Regarding being objective and how this is probably out of place in a game setting:
Tell me, how can one be objective in the context that we're working in? How can something objectively be 'fun'? Are there statutes defining enjoying as an objective experience? You make it sound like being empirically objective comes naturally. If one could be objective, that would imply that there were a right or wrong way about how Eve should be designed or thought through. I can't agree with you on that basis, I will not choose to view Eve in a concrete black/white format. There are opinions out there and it is the final result of these opinions that impact the interpretation of the facts - at every level, which eventually decide where Eve will go.
4. Re: offering single solutions and brainstorm - I refer you to my principle of fallibility that I mentioned in the OP - that I admit that many ideas that people, including myself come up with may not practical. However, as they said at the CCP panel - a good idea may invariably start as a bad idea. With that in mind, I don't try to stifle my ideas, rather bring them out for discussion and feedback. Many problems don't have obvious solutions, and demonstrating that you are willing to attempt to solve them with an open mind is part of the process in my opinion.
Scagga is running for the CSM, see his campaign thread to know of his standpoints! |
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