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Grissoom
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Posted - 2004.07.08 05:06:00 -
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Edited by: Grissoom on 11/07/2004 09:19:44
http://www.eve-i.com/home/dancer/page/page_fullnews.php?id=1679
Oveur writes on the official EVE site:
"Drones are next btw, they need some serious fixing and lub."
I don't see a specific Drone thread here....and as a DOM pilot and Miner...Drones are my life in EVE. So I am very curious as to what the plans are for drones.
Appreciate anyone directing me to a discussion of the specific plans etc.
Thanks
Griss
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Grissoom
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Posted - 2004.07.08 05:06:00 -
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Edited by: Grissoom on 11/07/2004 09:19:44
http://www.eve-i.com/home/dancer/page/page_fullnews.php?id=1679
Oveur writes on the official EVE site:
"Drones are next btw, they need some serious fixing and lub."
I don't see a specific Drone thread here....and as a DOM pilot and Miner...Drones are my life in EVE. So I am very curious as to what the plans are for drones.
Appreciate anyone directing me to a discussion of the specific plans etc.
Thanks
Griss
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2004.07.08 05:20:00 -
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Give Heavy drones the stats of a small electron blaster. Good veriable damage for a drone, decient tracking, and an optimal range more fit of drones.
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2004.07.08 05:20:00 -
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Give Heavy drones the stats of a small electron blaster. Good veriable damage for a drone, decient tracking, and an optimal range more fit of drones.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.07.08 05:37:00 -
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Edited by: Pandora Panda on 08/07/2004 05:38:06
 Originally by: Lansfear
Give Heavy drones the stats of a small electron blaster. Good veriable damage for a drone, decient tracking, and an optimal range more fit of drones.
Thats excessively complicated. Just give them a locktime or about 5-7 seconds on frigs and a maximum firing range of, say, 30k.
Alternatively, have the drone damage = (Ship Sig Radius)/(Drone Sig Resolution) * (Drone Normal Damage). Give little ships some survivability and still let them beat on battleships to some extent.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.07.08 05:37:00 -
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Edited by: Pandora Panda on 08/07/2004 05:38:06
Originally by: Lansfear
Give Heavy drones the stats of a small electron blaster. Good veriable damage for a drone, decient tracking, and an optimal range more fit of drones.
Thats excessively complicated. Just give them a locktime or about 5-7 seconds on frigs and a maximum firing range of, say, 30k.
Alternatively, have the drone damage = (Ship Sig Radius)/(Drone Sig Resolution) * (Drone Normal Damage). Give little ships some survivability and still let them beat on battleships to some extent.
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2004.07.08 05:47:00 -
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they're referenig to a drone bug, which occurs after drones lock on target and start firing. After that they hit even if target is 300km away. and yeah, drones uber pwn frigates, eating them in 5 sec, always hitting for full dmg.
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2004.07.08 05:47:00 -
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they're referenig to a drone bug, which occurs after drones lock on target and start firing. After that they hit even if target is 300km away. and yeah, drones uber pwn frigates, eating them in 5 sec, always hitting for full dmg.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.08 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Pandora Panda
Edited by: Pandora Panda on 08/07/2004 05:38:06
Originally by: Lansfear
Give Heavy drones the stats of a small electron blaster. Good veriable damage for a drone, decient tracking, and an optimal range more fit of drones.
Thats excessively complicated. Just give them a locktime or about 5-7 seconds on frigs and a maximum firing range of, say, 30k.
Alternatively, have the drone damage = (Ship Sig Radius)/(Drone Sig Resolution) * (Drone Normal Damage). Give little ships some survivability and still let them beat on battleships to some extent.
Frigs can lock each other in around 3-4sec. A heavy drone is smaller then a frig, lock times should be pretty fast, 1-2sec.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.08 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Pandora Panda
Edited by: Pandora Panda on 08/07/2004 05:38:06
Originally by: Lansfear
Give Heavy drones the stats of a small electron blaster. Good veriable damage for a drone, decient tracking, and an optimal range more fit of drones.
Thats excessively complicated. Just give them a locktime or about 5-7 seconds on frigs and a maximum firing range of, say, 30k.
Alternatively, have the drone damage = (Ship Sig Radius)/(Drone Sig Resolution) * (Drone Normal Damage). Give little ships some survivability and still let them beat on battleships to some extent.
Frigs can lock each other in around 3-4sec. A heavy drone is smaller then a frig, lock times should be pretty fast, 1-2sec.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.07.08 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Frigs can lock each other in around 3-4sec. A heavy drone is smaller then a frig, lock times should be pretty fast, 1-2sec.
That would be fine as long as drones are given an actual max range... I think i pulled the 5-7 seconds as a balance for infinate range drones.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.07.08 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Frigs can lock each other in around 3-4sec. A heavy drone is smaller then a frig, lock times should be pretty fast, 1-2sec.
That would be fine as long as drones are given an actual max range... I think i pulled the 5-7 seconds as a balance for infinate range drones.
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Iece Quaan
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Posted - 2004.07.08 06:46:00 -
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They're going to give drones tracking just like turrets. So they will miss. They are also going to make it so that ech size class of drones is only really effective against ships corresponding to their size, like turrets. And they'll fix the range bug, but probably nerf the range down to something not so useable =P
gonna be fun when heavy drones can't hit frigates.. yesiree bob
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Iece Quaan
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Posted - 2004.07.08 06:46:00 -
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They're going to give drones tracking just like turrets. So they will miss. They are also going to make it so that ech size class of drones is only really effective against ships corresponding to their size, like turrets. And they'll fix the range bug, but probably nerf the range down to something not so useable =P
gonna be fun when heavy drones can't hit frigates.. yesiree bob
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ShyLion
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Posted - 2004.07.08 07:09:00 -
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I would really like to hear from devs what exact "love" they have prepared for drones.
I'll accept any changes to drone's combat abilities, i'll just adopt them, but i really want some changes to drone's interface. I want them to be "smarter", not getting stuck to eachover.
I want them to "understand" more complex commands like:
launch(all) and attack
launch(all) and defend me
launch(all) and defend me without leaving scoop range
launch(all) and defend my gangmates
return(all) and scoop after getting into scoop range
attack(all)
add your own
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ShyLion
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Posted - 2004.07.08 07:09:00 -
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I would really like to hear from devs what exact "love" they have prepared for drones.
I'll accept any changes to drone's combat abilities, i'll just adopt them, but i really want some changes to drone's interface. I want them to be "smarter", not getting stuck to eachover.
I want them to "understand" more complex commands like:
launch(all) and attack
launch(all) and defend me
launch(all) and defend me without leaving scoop range
launch(all) and defend my gangmates
return(all) and scoop after getting into scoop range
attack(all)
add your own
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Grissoom
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Posted - 2004.07.08 07:35:00 -
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Edited by: Grissoom on 08/07/2004 07:37:16
gonna be fun when heavy drones can't hit frigates.. yesiree bob
If that is the case.....this miner will go find another game. Hell there isn't enough ore available in the game now....and prices have skyrocketed....nerf drones....and a lotta miners will look for something else to do...maybe even another game.
Griss
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Grissoom
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Posted - 2004.07.08 07:35:00 -
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Edited by: Grissoom on 08/07/2004 07:37:16
gonna be fun when heavy drones can't hit frigates.. yesiree bob
If that is the case.....this miner will go find another game. Hell there isn't enough ore available in the game now....and prices have skyrocketed....nerf drones....and a lotta miners will look for something else to do...maybe even another game.
Griss
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2004.07.08 07:55:00 -
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yea. havent threatened this yet, but I'll have to agree.
they do the small/medium/large things with drones and im gone.
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I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2004.07.08 07:55:00 -
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yea. havent threatened this yet, but I'll have to agree.
they do the small/medium/large things with drones and im gone.
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I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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Svodairs
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Posted - 2004.07.08 07:55:00 -
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I hope they'll set up some sort of configurable squading for them, with hotkeys. So if i have 8 drones (4 light, 4 heavy) then i could have 4 light attack frigs, and 4 heavy go after the cruisers.
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Svodairs
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Posted - 2004.07.08 07:55:00 -
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I hope they'll set up some sort of configurable squading for them, with hotkeys. So if i have 8 drones (4 light, 4 heavy) then i could have 4 light attack frigs, and 4 heavy go after the cruisers.
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2004.07.08 08:09:00 -
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Edited by: spurious signal on 08/07/2004 08:11:38
Originally by: Svodairs
I hope they'll set up some sort of configurable squading for them, with hotkeys. So if i have 8 drones (4 light, 4 heavy) then i could have 4 light attack frigs, and 4 heavy go after the cruisers.
That would definitley help make the nerf less crippling but it'll still leave solo miners being forced into higher security space.
My miner alt can currently solo mine in sub-0.5 space in a Thorax with a mix of heavy drones without too much problem. If a cruiser-heavy spawn comes along I'll lose a few drones, sure, but not enough to wipe out the profitability of my mining. She can't handle 0.1 space though. 8 ogres (or a mix of ogres, wasps, praetors, zerks) can't cope with the medium-large spawns there, the cruiser rats take them apart.
So if the "hvy drones vs cruisers, light vs frigates" comes into effect how will she cope? There isn't enough drone space in a 'rax (or even a Dominix) to carry enough drones to be able to handle decent-sized NPC spawns of both cruisers & frigates if she has to use different drones for each type. OK she could mine with an escort but then the profit is halved and the logistics more than double in complexity - solo mining suits me fine, I can warp out whenever I want if RealLife(tm) intrudes, I can swap to my combat character if my corp needs me and not worry about leaving someone else in the lurch, I can fit in 30 mins of mining in my lunchbreak at work etc.
Seems to me that a lot of the "fixes" coming in at the moment are having the effect of reducing the ability of people to solo, whether it's NPC hunting or mining. This is a dangerous thing, and while I agree that grouping should be encouraged (this is a multiplayer game after all) it should be done positively by rewarding grouping, rather than negatively by punishing soloing. There are a million reasons why people go solo in MMOs to varying extents - please devs, don't alienate those players.
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2004.07.08 08:09:00 -
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Edited by: spurious signal on 08/07/2004 08:11:38
Originally by: Svodairs
I hope they'll set up some sort of configurable squading for them, with hotkeys. So if i have 8 drones (4 light, 4 heavy) then i could have 4 light attack frigs, and 4 heavy go after the cruisers.
That would definitley help make the nerf less crippling but it'll still leave solo miners being forced into higher security space.
My miner alt can currently solo mine in sub-0.5 space in a Thorax with a mix of heavy drones without too much problem. If a cruiser-heavy spawn comes along I'll lose a few drones, sure, but not enough to wipe out the profitability of my mining. She can't handle 0.1 space though. 8 ogres (or a mix of ogres, wasps, praetors, zerks) can't cope with the medium-large spawns there, the cruiser rats take them apart.
So if the "hvy drones vs cruisers, light vs frigates" comes into effect how will she cope? There isn't enough drone space in a 'rax (or even a Dominix) to carry enough drones to be able to handle decent-sized NPC spawns of both cruisers & frigates if she has to use different drones for each type. OK she could mine with an escort but then the profit is halved and the logistics more than double in complexity - solo mining suits me fine, I can warp out whenever I want if RealLife(tm) intrudes, I can swap to my combat character if my corp needs me and not worry about leaving someone else in the lurch, I can fit in 30 mins of mining in my lunchbreak at work etc.
Seems to me that a lot of the "fixes" coming in at the moment are having the effect of reducing the ability of people to solo, whether it's NPC hunting or mining. This is a dangerous thing, and while I agree that grouping should be encouraged (this is a multiplayer game after all) it should be done positively by rewarding grouping, rather than negatively by punishing soloing. There are a million reasons why people go solo in MMOs to varying extents - please devs, don't alienate those players.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.07.08 08:31:00 -
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Increase the damage output, but alter tracking on the drone types.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.07.08 08:31:00 -
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Increase the damage output, but alter tracking on the drone types.
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Svodairs
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Posted - 2004.07.08 08:34:00 -
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I totally agree with you on this.
I can mine anything down to a 0.3 solo. With the new rat changes, much tougher. With the proposed drone nerf (not really a nerf i know), impossible.
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Svodairs
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Posted - 2004.07.08 08:34:00 -
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I totally agree with you on this.
I can mine anything down to a 0.3 solo. With the new rat changes, much tougher. With the proposed drone nerf (not really a nerf i know), impossible.
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Zoneh
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Posted - 2004.07.08 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Svodairs
I totally agree with you on this.
I can mine anything down to a 0.3 solo. With the new rat changes, much tougher. With the proposed drone nerf (not really a nerf i know), impossible.
Umm sorry you should mine with your friends.. This is a MMORPG..
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Zoneh
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Posted - 2004.07.08 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Svodairs
I totally agree with you on this.
I can mine anything down to a 0.3 solo. With the new rat changes, much tougher. With the proposed drone nerf (not really a nerf i know), impossible.
Umm sorry you should mine with your friends.. This is a MMORPG..
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