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Krylon Rhae	Posted - 2008.11.20 06:10:00 - [1] Now that a number of Orca's are in circulation and use, it's time to start an Orca Thread on fitting ideas. The obvious fit, I assume would be: Hi: 2 Gang Mods - mining time and distance Tractor Beam Med: Shield tank mods Low: 2 Cargo Expander II Rigs: 3 Cargo Op Rigs (I and/or II) But what you currently flying? Any rad approaches out there? Curious minds want to know...
King Rothgar	Posted - 2008.11.20 06:13:00 - [2] 2 Tractors, 1 mining speed command module Roid scanner, really sad shield tank Cargo expander II's no rigs currently, will probably do cargo rigs.
lord cyrez Licentia Pro Totus	Posted - 2008.11.20 08:10:00 - [3] Originally by: King Rothgar 2 Tractors, 1 mining speed command module Roid scanner, really sad shield tank Cargo expander II's no rigs currently, will probably do cargo rigs. hm, 2 tractors? ... just askin' bud, but why you need 2 of them? with 70km range at 1km/s one is pretty much enough i'd say already got an orca in corp, fielding it with range/cycle links and 1x tractor, a bit shield mods + roid scanner, cargo exp + cargo rigs. having 22km range on your strip miners shouldnt be underestimated, except you have so many hulks in the belt that they'd overlap all the time. then 1x cycle link, 1x tractor and 1x salvager is a viable setup, too.
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2008.11.20 19:40:00 - [4] I was thinking about a Damage Control II in one of the lows to give it some high sec gank survivability. It already has a good structural strength of 46,000 so 60% resists would certainly be handy. Plus the bonuses to armour & shield will help a little. Then 1 Cargo Expander II and 3 cargo rigs, and you'll still have very good capacity.
Erathanos	Posted - 2008.11.20 19:46:00 - [5] Orca has 2 really viable roles... depends where you are and in what fleet. hi sec Mining platform, where a roaqual isnt viable its role is a mining command ship. Hi: 2 Gang Mods - mining time and distance Tractor Beam Med: Shield tank mods Probably use the Ore scanner Low: 2 Cargo Expander II Rigs: 3 Cargo Op Rigs (I and/or II)( between skills and rigs can get cargohold just over 100,000 m3 + the corp hanger 40,000 m3 not too shabby ) OR you have the low/null sec where the roarqual is the fleet boss making the Orca a very nice hauler.. Hi: 1-3 Tractor Beam as it no longer needs to use any command mods Med: Shield tank mods Potentially use the Ore scanner Low: 2 Cargo Expander II Rigs: 3 Cargo Op Rigs (I and/or II) not much change, just viable and or practical. Erathanos
Tmarte Caldari Slackers Incorporated	Posted - 2008.11.20 20:00:00 - [6] Edited by: Tmarte on 20/11/2008 20:01:47 I was thinking, for high sec mining ops, forgo the tractor, and have the people dump it right into the corp hangar on the ship. That was you just have to drag and drop the ore from corp hangar into normal hangar. Of course the miners would have to be within 1.5k of the ship at all times to do this, but with a range of 22km on the lasers, should be viable for high sec. [Highs] Distance Link Cycle Link Yield Link [Mids] EM Amp Them Amp Invul Field Ore Scanner or Shield Booster [I think with a Gist MSB, it can perma run with perfect cap skills] [Lows] Cargo Expander Cargo Expander [Rigs] Cargo Optimizer Cargo Optimizer Cargo Optimizer Fastest mining, and most space, still has good shield tank. Almost 90k cargo, 40k corp hangar. Should be able to support a decent mining fleet in high sec.
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2008.11.20 20:27:00 - [7] Maybe a dumb question, but does the corp hanger also allow access for ... Fleet members? Alliance members? -------------------- What? Me Worry? --------------------
Jonak Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.20 21:12:00 - [8] Hi Slots - Laser Optimization Link - Field Enhancement Link - Tractor Mid Slots - 3x T2 Large Shield Extender Low Slots - 2x T2 Expanded Cargohold Rigs - T1 Cargo - 2x T2 Cargo I tried a T1 10MN AB in the mid but the speed difference isn't much. I'll find some other use for the open mid slot. Only Corpmates can remove anything from the Corp Hangar. I don't know much about Alliance settings, but they can't without setting permission for the all of your corp hangars. That is, if you allow them to use hanger 1 on the Orca, they can use hangar 1 in a station or POS. That's my understanding anyway. But any "Fleet" member can place ore into the corp hangar once you check the setting.
Angus Torg LoneWolf Mining	Posted - 2008.11.20 21:40:00 - [9] 2 * Medium Nosferatu II 1 * Medium Energy Neutralizer II 2 * Stasis Webifier II 1 * Warp Scrambler II 1 * whatever... (e.g. passive EM) 2 * Shield Power Relay II 3 * Core Defence Field Purger I 5 * Hammerhead II, 5 * Hobgoblin II Bye, bye, Mr. Ore Thief Can we get EVE back? Please.
Constance Harme	Posted - 2008.11.20 21:47:00 - [10] Originally by: Tmarte [Highs] Distance Link Cycle Link Yield Link Distance Link = Bonus to range Cycle Link = Bonus to Cycle time Yield Link = ? There is no Yield link as far as I know, the only remaining link is for capacitor use reduction, which nobody uses and why everyone fits a tractor beam.
Tmarte Caldari Slackers Incorporated	Posted - 2008.11.21 03:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Constance Harme Originally by: Tmarte [Highs] Distance Link Cycle Link Yield Link Distance Link = Bonus to range Cycle Link = Bonus to Cycle time Yield Link = ? There is no Yield link as far as I know, the only remaining link is for capacitor use reduction, which nobody uses and why everyone fits a tractor beam. Yeah caught me sleeping, subtract that and put the tractor on. Cap reduction is worthless.
Kessiaan Minmatar Army of One	Posted - 2008.11.21 03:46:00 - [12] Edited by: Kessiaan on 21/11/2008 03:55:03 Well, I'm planning on using it as a combo mining command / hauler platform, as I normally dual-box mine solo with a Hulk / Mastodon combo. New EFT isn't out yet and it'll take me four months to skill my alt into it, but here's the general fit I'm going toward. HIGH: 2x Gang Links Small Tractor Beam MID: 24km Point 3x Shield Tank Mods (some combo of LSEs and invuln fields, whatever fits and is cap stable) LOW: 2x WCS II DRONE: 10x Warrior II Rigs will probably either be polycarbs (to improve align/warp times) or shield resistance rigs. Big cargo bay isn't really a huge priority since it's base cargo is already more than will fit in my Mastodon and I have a real freighter for bulk hauling anyway. Tractor for cans - I think I'll mine with it sitting about 10kms from my Hulk since I like to precisely position myself in the belts so I can mine them out without having to move more than one or two times, and I already have issues bumping myself using a Mastodon, I'm sure I'll need to leave some space with an Orca, so I'll just drop cans and tractor them in. Survey scanner I prefer to leave on my Hulk (I use it to target rocks more than anything else since I like to keep my overview nice and tidy just in case I miss a WT in local somehow, or a canflipper comes along), along with the webber. T2 stabs in case something goes horribly wrong without gimping my tractor beam into uselessness. (I don't stab my hulk though, the extra mining output from 2x T2 MLUs will pay for a new hulk after about 20 hours or so and I'm usually pretty good about the GTFO when a WT comes along)
Shereza	Posted - 2008.11.21 06:05:00 - [13] The only reason I can see to fit a tractor beam on an orca is if you're mining in a gang with people not in your corporation. If you are mining with people in your corporation then they can, and probably should, be dumping ore straight into your corp. hangar and in that situation a tractor beam is pretty useless. Of course the question of what to use the third high slot for would, I'm sure, be a big one, if you didn't put a tractor beam in it so I'd suggest just fitting a mining yield link, tractor beam, and a salvager so that while everyone's mining (and maybe you are too with drones) you can loot/salvage the wrecks that pile up as the op goes on. Heck, who knows, you might get a commander spawn that drops T2 salvage. I was mining in a .5 system, had a commander/officer spawn, and got 30m in salvage. The ore I mined only amounted to 10-15m at that point.
Krylon Rhae	Posted - 2008.11.21 06:35:00 - [14] Edited by: Krylon Rhae on 21/11/2008 06:36:23 Originally by: Shereza The only reason I can see to fit a tractor beam on an orca is if you're mining in a gang with people not in your corporation. If you are mining with people in your corporation then they can, and probably should, be dumping ore straight into your corp. hangar and in that situation a tractor beam is pretty useless. Of course the question of what to use the third high slot for would, I'm sure, be a big one, if you didn't put a tractor beam in it so I'd suggest just fitting a mining yield link, tractor beam, and a salvager so that while everyone's mining (and maybe you are too with drones) you can loot/salvage the wrecks that pile up as the op goes on. Heck, who knows, you might get a commander spawn that drops T2 salvage. I was mining in a .5 system, had a commander/officer spawn, and got 30m in salvage. The ore I mined only amounted to 10-15m at that point. Shereza... love the sig. Currently training Industrial Command lvl 5, once complete, I will go back to finish off Siege Warfare V then Siege Warfare Spec to lvl 4. This will take me about 14 days once I get through IC5. Then I will mount 3 gang mods in the hi-slots: 1. Laser Optimization; 2. Laser Field Enhancment; and 3. Shield Harmonizing or Active Shielding (will play with them to figure out what works best)
Kessiaan Minmatar Army of One	Posted - 2008.11.21 07:22:00 - [15] Originally by: Shereza If you are mining with people in your corporation then they can, and probably should, be dumping ore straight into your corp. hangar and in that situation a tractor beam is pretty useless. I dunno. Even with just my Hulk + Mastodon it's already bump city every time he makes a run back to the station (both coming and going). Given that the Orca is much larger I was planning on having it sit 10kms away and just haul the cans over.
Krylon Rhae	Posted - 2008.11.21 07:44:00 - [16] Just picked up and fitted my Orca - woot Hi: 2 gang mods - time and distance Tractor beam Med: 1 Large Shield Extender II 1 Large Shield Booster II 1 Photon Scatter II 1 Invulnerability II Low: 2 Expanded Cargohold II Rigs: 3 Cargohold Optimization I Shield resists with mods running: EM - 66.7% EXP - 65% Kin - 58% Therm - 44% Will not permarun with all shield/gang mods running. Will need to play with this a little. Thought on permarunning?
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2008.11.21 09:58:00 - [17] Cheers for the info regarding corp/alliance/fleet Jonak.
lord cyrez Licentia Pro Totus	Posted - 2008.11.21 10:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Shereza The only reason I can see to fit a tractor beam on an orca is if you're mining in a gang with people not in your corporation. (assuming you have no hauler and use the orca for this purpose as well) sitting in a belt with 1 orca and 5+ hulks, having the 5+ hulks each closer than 1500m to access the corp hangar. orca cargo full, orca navigates out of the hulk-blob, warps out. dumps cargo, warps back in to its old spot - and due to the "warp precision" of 2500m around the warp-in-point, you're most likely to play a bit of hulk bowling hulk going 5km/s in any direction? they won't like you
Angus Torg LoneWolf Mining	Posted - 2008.11.21 10:33:00 - [19] Corp Hangar size of an Orca is 40000 m¦, right? So, how long does it take for 3-5 Hulks to fill that? 5 mins? If you can swap the ore from corp hangar to ship hangar in space then, ok, you gain another 10 minutes. But this is not what I would call a mining operation, if the commander has to dock every quarter hour to dump stuff (and bonuses get lost)? So, either fit for ORE thief killing or maximum tank (for lowsec and 0.0).
Andraine Coded Arms Corp	Posted - 2008.11.21 12:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Angus Torg Corp Hangar size of an Orca is 40000 m¦, right? So, how long does it take for 3-5 Hulks to fill that? 5 mins? If you can swap the ore from corp hangar to ship hangar in space then, ok, you gain another 10 minutes. But this is not what I would call a mining operation, if the commander has to dock every quarter hour to dump stuff (and bonuses get lost)? So, either fit for ORE thief killing or maximum tank (for lowsec and 0.0). Or...here's a crazy idea. Someone uses a hauler too! yobo
Krylon Rhae	Posted - 2008.11.21 13:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Angus Torg Corp Hangar size of an Orca is 40000 m¦, right? So, how long does it take for 3-5 Hulks to fill that? 5 mins? If you can swap the ore from corp hangar to ship hangar in space then, ok, you gain another 10 minutes. But this is not what I would call a mining operation, if the commander has to dock every quarter hour to dump stuff (and bonuses get lost)? The Orca also has a 30k cargohold that can be scaled up to more than 90k and approach 100k if you use T2 rigs ($). You can move ore from the corp hanger to the ship's cargohold at any time thereby effectively yielding storage of more than 130k. Right now I have Industrial Command trained to lvl 4 and have a combined storage of 129k (89k + 40k). I'll add another 5% with lvl 5 in a month.
Girabaldi D'Protagonist Minmatar In Theory.	Posted - 2008.11.21 13:33:00 - [22] If I am not mistaken you can access the corp hanger array at 3k this would definatly give a little more maneauver room. If you are using this thing in High sec a nice passive tank should keep you out of trouble and you can max out your cargo. Adding the third link of a different flavor might be a good thing.. if you are in an area where your miners need a little extra protection. I have done some calculation that tell me with an orca and 3 mack's (level 4 pilots) it will take 40-45 minutes to fill the orca.. ideally you would wait for the cycle to start then warp back to station and be on the way back before the next cycle started to maintain bonuses. If i have done my math correctly what you get is. 30k 1.20 (level 4 ICS)1.27 (Exp Car II)1.27(Exp Car II) 1.15 (CHO I) 1.15(CHO I) 1.15 (CHO I) = 88,308 + 40000 Corp Hanger = 128,303 cargo space. Use T2 rigs and raise ICS to 5 and you can get another 15% or about 140k Combine this with a decent leadership pilot and you will be increasing the shield, targeting range, speed, and armor of your mining fleet anyway. My plan is this ICE: High: Time Link Distance Link (farther away from teh field is better for maneauver) Tractor or Shield Harmonizing Link Mids 3X Large Shield Extender II's Shield Recharger II or EM Passive Mod Lows: Cargo Expander II's (2) Rigs: Cargo Optimization Rigs (3) Probably T1, T2 are too expensive Drones: Mix of Lights and Medium T2 Drones This in itself should handle belt rats.. and should handle a suicide attempt until big daddy concord shows up
lord cyrez Licentia Pro Totus	Posted - 2008.11.21 13:44:00 - [23] Originally by: Angus Torg ...if the commander has to dock every quarter hour to dump stuff (and bonuses get lost)?... Originally by: Andraine Or...here's a crazy idea. Someone uses a hauler too! if you aren't too lazy, there are ways to improve this. lazy mode: as andraine said, just use a viable hauler (itty V / impel / the like). tricky mode: - have the orca staying where it is, doing its job (bonus + tractor) - when it gets close to be full, start purging the ore into jetcans - have one hulk leave the belt, fetch ANOTHER orca, collect cans + empty orca - get the miner back in his hulk in the long term, this gets a few % more than having a single orca hauling each time its full (losing bonus), but obviously needs a second orca. and if you feel safe enough, you can even let those 4 or 5 jetcans remain in space until the orca is full AGAIN. then have the miner switching from hulk to orca and double-haul jetcans and first orca. if your pilots are smart enough and no lazy buggers, this works like a charm (only makes sense if you field and spread 4+ hulks to eat a whole belt, no point in this if you're just cherry picking)
Krylon Rhae	Posted - 2008.11.21 16:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Girabaldi D'Protagonist If i have done my math correctly what you get is. 30k 1.20 (level 4 ICS)1.27 (Exp Car II)1.27(Exp Car II) 1.15 (CHO I) 1.15(CHO I) 1.15 (CHO I) = 88,308 + 40000 Corp Hanger = 128,303 cargo space. You are close but the actual number at ICS lvl 4 works out to 89,005.4 m3 - I am looking at my Orca now. Where you went slightly off is that the T2 Cargo Expanders gives a bonus of 27.5%; that's where you are slightly off. ICS lvl 5 should give another 5% bonus and yield 93,455.67 m3 with the fitting you discribed. I'll confirm in exactly 31 days, 12 hours, 9 minutes and 18 seconds exactly...
Krylon Rhae	Posted - 2008.11.23 05:32:00 - [25] Does anyone have a speed/agility fit?
Kessiaan Minmatar Army of One	Posted - 2008.11.23 06:43:00 - [26] Well, after playing with the new EFT, here's the preliminary fit I came up with as a general purpose hauler replacement for my dual-boxed solo mining ops. Orca, Hauler Replacement HIGH: Laser Optimization Link Mining Laser Field Enhancement Link Small Tractor Beam MID: Invuln Field II Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II ECM - Multispectral Jammer II LOW: 2x Warp Core Stabilizer II DRONE: 10x Warrior II RIG: 3x Cargohold Optimization I Even with the self-nerf from the WCS it can still tractor cans from 30kms away, has a more than adequate basic tank for highsec stuff which allows me to load up on plenty of e-war for canflippers, a 2nd web on the Hulk should ensure any frig-class flipper meets a swift doom (and then I get a free 15 minute break in station afterwork). Cargo rigs since there really isn't anything else worth putting on it, even without lowslot cargo mods it still gets an impressive 57K cargo space, rougly twice my current hauler.
Galliana Foresta Armada.	Posted - 2008.11.23 17:33:00 - [27] I know someone who lost an Astarte to an Orca last night.
Supposing CEO	Posted - 2008.11.23 18:04:00 - [28] [Orca, Shield Tank] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field I 100MN Afterburner I Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Combat mission looting while under fire :P
Sven Xai	Posted - 2008.11.23 18:54:00 - [29] Edited by: Sven Xai on 23/11/2008 18:55:04 HI's 3 nos meds Best shield buff ya can fit, add a scrambler if you want. lows warp core stabs. Or dc, and shield buff assist. depends on if solo or with friends. rigs, cargo expanders. drone bay, best you can use. Role. Steal cans from other players mining ops.
Lustralis	Posted - 2008.11.23 19:32:00 - [30] Hi's: 3 pepper spray II. That's all.
Andraine Coded Arms Corp	Posted - 2008.11.23 22:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Galliana Foresta I know someone who lost an Astarte to an Orca last night. Surprising that the orca Can take quite a beating! yobo
Krylon Rhae	Posted - 2008.11.25 07:03:00 - [32] Up to the top for more input please.
Shereza	Posted - 2008.11.25 08:20:00 - [33] I tried a "speed tank" fit on an orca on Singularity. It'd pull about 300-350m/s or so at which point I gave it up as bad call. As for its tank... Heh, the orca's surprisingly resilient. A corp. mate of mine wanted to test out his curse and asked me to bring along something suitable and wanted to see an orca, so I packed a sacrilege into the orca and set off for low/no-sec. Soon as I warp to him he starts attacking me... After awhile of that he has to give it up as a bad call because I keep killing his drones with mine, hitting the fresh ones with vampires, and getting barely enough cap to combine with native regen to keep the T2 large booster running enough to not die. Yeah, needless to say, solo recon ships against the orca is probably not a good idea, at least not if you're not terribly good with using them. ____________________ Minmatar in Fantasy or Duct Tape Goes Medieval.
Krylon Rhae	Posted - 2008.11.25 10:49:00 - [34] Edited by: Krylon Rhae on 25/11/2008 10:52:00 Falling in love with this ship... Finished off a mission the other day and there were a lot of roids between 57km to 109km away from the warp-in point. Decided to test the Orca on this and collected my mining gang - 2 hulksters, Iteron V and the Orca. In the past this would have been a royal pain slow-boating the Iteron over to the hulks and would have taken a pass on mining the roids. But with the Orca parked some 65km from the hulks and only 10km from the warp-in point, my Iteron was able to glide up to the Orca, load up and fly away. I got a nice rhythm going so the cans were tractored into the Orca and the Iteron was able to simply load and go with little wasted time. Now I have an extra 11-m trit in my coffers for an hour's work. Love this ship... full stop.
Chris Vattic Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.11.25 11:21:00 - [35] My Orca will exit the factory during the weekend, so I played around in EFT for a while to get an idea how to set one up. First part, hauling and gang boosting, was easy. Laser Optimization link, a tractor beam and an improved cloak into high slots, cargo expanders into lows, some cargohold optimization rigs and voila. Now to fitting a tank of a sort. The first thing I did was fit an x-large shield booster since I was easily able to perma run it in Singularity even with my lowish shield skills. I turned my head right to see the stats and what I saw was utmost depressing. What the hell did you do to it's capacitor?!? It can't even use a medium shield boosted dual hardener setup without running dry. Is it supposed to use passive hardeners and a boost amplifier? Perhaps deadspace gear? When I hear the expression "mini capital" I imagine something big and massive with the tank matching a battleship at least. While requirements one and two are filled nicely it has trouble with the third one. Why on earth give a ship so much powergrid when it is completely unable to do something with it? Two low and four mid slots don't give much room for versatility. Sorry, I must be living in teletubbieland again. I guess it'll still do it's main job pretty nicely, even for a ship that costs half a billion ISK. --
StainLessStealRat Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.25 12:03:00 - [36] Originally by: Angus Torg Corp Hangar size of an Orca is 40000 m¦, right? So, how long does it take for 3-5 Hulks to fill that? 5 mins? If you can swap the ore from corp hangar to ship hangar in space then, ok, you gain another 10 minutes. But this is not what I would call a mining operation, if the commander has to dock every quarter hour to dump stuff (and bonuses get lost)? So, either fit for ORE thief killing or maximum tank (for lowsec and 0.0). Orca would be used a GSC is my guess with a hauler or 2 soing the runs to station. P.S people combat fitting an orca WTF i am feeling a renewed intrest in can flipping. FYI a AF would eat that PvP fit for dinner i would even have a go in a kessy if i saw you had Hammerheads out
Krylon Rhae	Posted - 2008.11.25 12:38:00 - [37] Edited by: Krylon Rhae on 25/11/2008 12:41:47 Originally by: Chris Vattic The first thing I did was fit an x-large shield booster since I was easily able to perma run it in Singularity even with my lowish shield skills. I turned my head right to see the stats and what I saw was utmost depressing. What the hell did you do to it's capacitor?!? It can't even use a medium shield boosted dual hardener setup without running dry. Is it supposed to use passive hardeners and a boost amplifier? Perhaps deadspace gear? When I hear the expression "mini capital" I imagine something big and massive with the tank matching a battleship at least. While requirements one and two are filled nicely it has trouble with the third one. Why on earth give a ship so much powergrid when it is completely unable to do something with it? Two low and four mid slots don't give much room for versatility. Sorry, I must be living in teletubbieland again. I guess it'll still do it's main job pretty nicely, even for a ship that costs half a billion ISK. Yeah, the cap is tough to sustain. I tried many fits (don't use EFT) the old fashion way, trial and error. I also started out with a large booster and 2 hardeners and couldn't sustain the cap while also running the gang mods. Finally setted for what I posted on the first page... Originally by: Krylon Rhae Hi: 2 gang mods - time and distance Tractor beam Med: 1 Cap Recharger II 1 Medium Shield Booster II 1 Mag Scattering Amp II (change for your rats) 1 Invulnerability II or second Resist Amp Low: 2 Expanded Cargohold II Rigs: 3 Cargohold Optimization I Shield resists with mods running: EM - 57.9% EXP - 65% Kin - 58% Therm - 44% Cap Recharge at 480 sec Will permarun (with my skills) with all shield/gang mods running - cap stable at about 37-38% This will work and the resists aren't bad but would have expected to be able to put in a more robust tank on what CCP is calling a subcapital. Does anyone else have a permarun solution or passive tank solution?
Ami Nizuo	Posted - 2008.11.25 12:47:00 - [38] The Orca has an amazingly low recharge time on shields. Buffer tank on this makes easily over 200 DPS tanked without any sweat at all.
Makko Gray Gallente Nexus Aerospace Corporation Leather Rose Syndicate	Posted - 2008.11.25 13:17:00 - [39] Just curious about the orca / hauler conundrum. Could you not keep a hauler like an itty in the orca and have one of the barges jump into when the orca starts to get full and need emptying, then jump back in the barge when done? I imagine it will all depend on how quickly your filling up the orca vs how quickly the hauler can empty it but might it work with smaller gangs and have a dedicated hauler with larger gangs. I'm a way off being able to fly one of these and don't have any experience with cap ships so I don't know how feasable this is.
Krylon Rhae	Posted - 2008.11.25 13:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Makko Gray Just curious about the orca / hauler conundrum. Could you not keep a hauler like an itty in the orca and have one of the barges jump into when the orca starts to get full and need emptying, then jump back in the barge when done? I imagine it will all depend on how quickly your filling up the orca vs how quickly the hauler can empty it but might it work with smaller gangs and have a dedicated hauler with larger gangs. I'm a way off being able to fly one of these and don't have any experience with cap ships so I don't know how feasable this is. Depending on the number of miners feeding the hulk this is certainly a way to go. I usually have 2 hulksters, Iteron V and Orca in system. My Iteron V pilot is cross training to fly the hauler since he is also my hauler/trader. So the extra capacity for trading will be welcomed when the Freighter is over-kill. In any event, once he can fly the Orca I will get him into a Covetor for the extra mining boost then do what you suggested, swap him in and out of the Iteron/Covetor.
Bon Hedus Amarr O.E.C Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2008.11.25 15:21:00 - [41] 2x t2 large shield extenders 2x t2 invulnerability fields 222 dps and cap stable at 70% That isn't too bad at all, considering trying to run an active tank... 1x t2 medium shield boost 1x t2 invulnerability field 1x t2 magnetic amplifier 1x t2 cap recharger 191 dps and cap stable at 33% (using fairly high skills) -------------------------------------- Heavy Lag Spike II belonging to EvE Cluster Node #0815 hits your Connection, wrecking your latency to 998ms
Krylon Rhae	Posted - 2008.11.26 05:54:00 - [42] Originally by: Bon Hedus 2x t2 large shield extenders 2x t2 invulnerability fields 222 dps and cap stable at 70% Might try that fit. I guess as an alternative you could try 1 invul and 1 Mag Shield Amp to strengthen the EM.
Chris Vattic Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.11.26 11:15:00 - [43] Edited by: Chris Vattic on 26/11/2008 11:16:48 I finally settled with: 1x Medium Shield Booster II 2x Dread Guristas Magnetic Scattering Amplifier 1x Dread Guristas Heat Dissipation Amplifier ( change resistance amplifiers to match your local rats ) Fills many important objectives. - Tanks all the local spawns - Very low skill requirements - Not very capacitor intensive - Rather cheap ( 50 million ISK at most ) You can never know who will be tank / gang booster during the operation and what skills they have --
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.26 14:29:00 - [44] My take on the Orca: [Orca, Mining] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Gistum B-Type Medium Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II Survey Scanner II Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization Small Tractor Beam I Cargohold Optimization I Cargohold Optimization I Cargohold Optimization I Hammerhead II x5 Mining Drone II x5 Perma runs, has gang bonuses, tractor, mining drones and Hammaerheads, and great cargo.
Alora Belowyn Tyranny of Heaven	Posted - 2008.11.26 18:38:00 - [45] Quote: The shield recharge time on the Orca has been changed to 2100 seconds So with this change in QR 1.0.2, would active tanking be the way to go?
Krylon Rhae	Posted - 2008.11.26 18:41:00 - [46] Edited by: Krylon Rhae on 26/11/2008 18:41:28 The new patch will have the capacitor recharge changed... From the patch notes; "The shield recharge time on the Orca has been changed to 2100 seconds" Will have to see what we can do with the tank after the patch. Oops... I was beaten to it.
Ramasha	Posted - 2008.11.26 19:19:00 - [47] I guess that the 4x Rat Specific Hardener, supported by 3x core defence field purger setup will be useless. It was able to run perma with 2x gang links and tank around 400-500DPS. Glad i made this setup in EFT only and don't have the orca rigged yet.
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2008.11.26 19:59:00 - [48] Bear in mind the Hulk's passive shield regen goes from the current 900s to 2100s on the 27th, killing it's shield tanking viability. Put a DCII in and (why bother) some hull reppers in mid.
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.11.26 20:17:00 - [49] A salvager ? To salvage npc spawns wrecks in belt while your mining.
Slab Squatthrust	Posted - 2008.11.26 20:39:00 - [50] This works quite well for high-Sec Fleet mining Ops: Highs: 2x Gang Links - Distance and Cycle 1x Small Tractor Beam Mids: 1x - Roid Scanner 1x Large Shield Booster II 2x Large Shield Extender II Lows: 2x Cargohold Expander II Rigs: 3x Cargohold Optimization I Drones: 5x Hammerhead II 5x Hobgoblin II This gives me 77880m3 in the cargohold plus the 40000m3 of the corp hangar.
Krylon Rhae	Posted - 2008.11.27 05:39:00 - [51] Edited by: Krylon Rhae on 27/11/2008 05:39:58 Originally by: Mister Xerox Bear in mind the Hulk's passive shield regen goes from the current 900s to 2100s on the 27th, killing it's shield tanking viability. Put a DCII in and (why bother) some hull reppers in mid. I think you mean Orca.
This NameTaken	Posted - 2008.11.27 16:00:00 - [52] On my Orca, I use the mining cycle time mod, a tractor, and a shield harmonizing mod in the highs. This gives me a little more tank without using a mid slot. It will be making a trip to 0.0 to help ice mining before long. When that happens, I'll remove the shield mod, and replace it with a cloaker.
Krylon Rhae	Posted - 2008.11.28 18:02:00 - [53] Does anyone have a post-patch passive fit that is working? Would be curious to know how you managed it. I am still using the active fit I mentioned above and still seems to work just fine.
Stefx Gallente Moons of Pluto Space Exploration and Logistic Services	Posted - 2008.11.29 21:32:00 - [54] Originally by: Jonak Only Corpmates can remove anything from the Corp Hangar. I don't know much about Alliance settings, but they can't without setting permission for the all of your corp hangars. That is, if you allow them to use hanger 1 on the Orca, they can use hangar 1 in a station or POS. That's my understanding anyway. But any "Fleet" member can place ore into the corp hangar once you check the setting. How can you set up a corp hangar section to be accessed by alliance members? ----------- MOP recruiting Industrialists/miners/traders/missioners/etc
Pandele Bishnitzaru	Posted - 2008.11.30 09:11:00 - [55] how about putting some t2 mining drones, stay in a high sec belt, and go afk :) ?
Krylon Rhae	Posted - 2008.12.01 10:00:00 - [56] Originally by: Pandele Bishnitzaru how about putting some t2 mining drones, stay in a high sec belt, and go afk :) ? Mining drones stop mining when the roid pops so you will need to constantly monitor and retarget.
Aion Amarra Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.12.01 10:13:00 - [57] Given the apparent cap issues involved with larger boosters, wouldn't Pithi B-Types be the way to go on this one? At least from the cap efficiency standpoint. They're also relatively cheap when compared to the ship.
Mal'ol Soddo	Posted - 2008.12.08 11:35:00 - [58] Originally by: Krylon Rhae Originally by: Pandele Bishnitzaru how about putting some t2 mining drones, stay in a high sec belt, and go afk :) ? Mining drones stop mining when the roid pops so you will need to constantly monitor and retarget. 5 Massive roids had 5 little drones. Each was a mining drone 2. Gaily they mined each summer's day Industrialists all of course One little chap then had a mishap Popped his massive roid Wept for his veld then cried with joy As his young minemate said Did you think I would leave you crying When there's room on my roid for two Climb up here miner and don't be crying We can mine just as long with two When we grow up we'll both be industrialists And our roids will not be veldspar And I wonder if we'll remember When we were two little drones.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol Doctrine.	Posted - 2008.12.08 11:48:00 - [59] This is the only true fit for the Orca. [Orca, PVP] Damage Control II Shield Power Relay II Large Shield Extender II Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Warp Disruptor II Shadow Serpentis Large Plasma Smartbomb Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Hammerhead II x5 Pretty decent tank, actually. Powers through at least a few battleships for quite some time. With over 200k EHP, you can bet that it can hold off long enough and attempt to keep one aggressor locked down! If it manages through some wonder to take out a target, there is easy of tractoring and salvaging for maximum isk-making potential.
Nexes Edelstahl	Posted - 2008.12.08 19:33:00 - [60] Edited by: Nexes Edelstahl on 08/12/2008 19:36:44 Edited by: Nexes Edelstahl on 08/12/2008 19:35:44 Edited by: Nexes Edelstahl on 08/12/2008 19:34:44 Originally by: Angus Torg 2 * Medium Nosferatu II 1 * Medium Energy Neutralizer II 2 * Stasis Webifier II 1 * Warp Scrambler II 1 * whatever... (e.g. passive EM) 2 * Shield Power Relay II 3 * Core Defence Field Purger I 5 * Hammerhead II, 5 * Hobgoblin II Bye, bye, Mr. Ore Thief I'm not even going to entertain this^^ as it is a total fail on so many levels.
Nexes Edelstahl	Posted - 2008.12.08 19:56:00 - [61] After waiting for the price to drop i've purchased the new orca, and wound up with simular set-up that have been posted. The only thing that still is unsure is the mid slots, obviuosly shield tank but will it be active or buffer passive? keeping in mind that i reserved 1 mid slot for a scanner. I guess we'll wait untill the update from EFT to answer that. User tip: equip a hulk with a web to turn this pig around!
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.08 20:01:00 - [62] Originally by: Bistot Kid Maybe a dumb question, but does the corp hanger also allow access for ... Fleet members? Alliance members? To dump in: Fleet. To take out: Corp. Corp hangars are weird animals. When an alliance member not in my corp opens my corp hangar, they see their tab layout, not mine. So when they say they put something in the "blahblah" hangar, I'm like "WTF?!" and off I go searching (speaking as a carrier pilot, BTW). In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Muk Watcher	Posted - 2008.12.10 16:19:00 - [63] I dont know why, but my corpmates canot take from the corporate hanger on my Orca, I don't if this is because they need to have the same roles to take from the corp Hanger in stations or not. Any advice about this would be appreciated. PS i use a Hauler with an Orca sitting 15km from the mining fleet and Tractoring cans. Work's like a charm
Dark 'Shadow Shadow Fire Industries	Posted - 2008.12.10 18:00:00 - [64] Originally by: Janu Hull Corp hangars are weird animals. When an alliance member not in my corp opens my corp hangar, they see their tab layout, not mine. So when they say they put something in the "blahblah" hangar, I'm like "WTF?!" and off I go searching (speaking as a carrier pilot, BTW). Yeah that is a pain in the ass, I found that out the other day in a mining op and the guy kept dropping ore into the "Mining" tab... Originally by: Muk Watcher I dont know why, but my corpmates canot take from the corporate hanger on my Orca, I don't if this is because they need to have the same roles to take from the corp Hanger in stations or not. Any advice about this would be appreciated. PS i use a Hauler with an Orca sitting 15km from the mining fleet and Tractoring cans. Work's like a charm It would probably be hanger access "other".
Superfailsauce Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.12.10 18:33:00 - [65] [Orca, Bait] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Cynosural Field Generator I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I ------- Larkonis' Alt, main got banned.
Wolverine PL Gallente Pink Bunnies C0VEN	Posted - 2008.12.11 06:24:00 - [66] Originally by: Superfailsauce [Orca, Bait] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Cynosural Field Generator I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I You need web and scrabler otherwise everything will run away:)
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.12.16 02:52:00 - [67] Perfect for those times the flashy reds want to raid high sec or a way to get a strike deep into a FW opponents high sec areas without all the risk of running the combat ships in under faction aggro and potential player interference. [Orca, High sec target selection scout base and mobile suicide op setter upper with extra value added invisible fat lootz storage] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 100MN Afterburner II Cargo Scanner II Ship Scanner II Passive Targeter II Improved Cloaking Device II Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Vespa EC-600 x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Kyanzes Amarr Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.12.26 17:55:00 - [68] LOW: Reinforced Bulkheads II Damage Control II It gives 72K structure with 210K+ Effective HP --------------------------------------------- Unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality.
Home Less	Posted - 2008.12.26 21:26:00 - [69] Can you give command bonuses from outside a POS bubble like command ships?
Ratuu Gallente Warspite Developments	Posted - 2008.12.26 22:05:00 - [70] Yes. Same rules as for any command links. You have to be in space, assisgned as the booster (at whatever level is appropriate) and have the modules active.
Malarkie	Posted - 2008.12.26 23:59:00 - [71] [Orca, killer whale] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Warp Scrambler II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Shield Recharger II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II Core Defence Field Purger II Hammerhead II x5 The strat is simple: sit mildly afkish looking on top of a roid belt with a jet can full of ore. Wait for some poor twit to can flip you. "Cue" http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A
Lrrp Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.27 02:13:00 - [72] Now let me ask a dumb question. With the combined cargo/hanger space of approx 130k, is the space usable to stuff GSC's in and thus increase hauling space by about another 40k ?
Sherwick	Posted - 2008.12.27 15:00:00 - [73] Wondering if anyone knows if the shield regen change was also adjusted in EFT. It doesnt seem like it on my version.
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa Minmatar The Perfect Harvesting Experience	Posted - 2008.12.27 16:02:00 - [74] Corp-hangar + freighter ? Does it work ? ----------------------------------------------- Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
Alora Belowyn	Posted - 2008.12.27 16:15:00 - [75] Originally by: Sherwick Edited by: Sherwick on 27/12/2008 15:46:42 I was wondering if anyone knows if the shield regen change was also adjusted in EFT, but I guess the change doesnt take effect in game for another 2 days? So thats probubly why my EFT doesnt show it. Duh. The change has been in effect for a month now, actually. (QR 1.0.2 patch.) I don't believe EFT has been updated to reflect the change yet though. But see this post about getting an updated Ships.dat file with the change. Though I can't vouch for that updated Ships.dat since I patched my own file myself using Tonto Auri's instructions. But someone later in the thread did.
Ashen Angel Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.12.28 00:10:00 - [76] Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa Corp-hangar + freighter ? Does it work ? nope can also only have ammo/charges in the cargo hold of stored ships
Buyus Stuffius	Posted - 2008.12.28 08:26:00 - [77] all 3 shield gang mods with implant in for 25% to resists, reduced cap use, and duration. passive targeter, ship/cargo scan, whatever in last mid slot because it doesnt matter. damage control and reinforced bulkheads.
Asha D'zlek	Posted - 2008.12.28 10:01:00 - [78] Mine looks like this. Quote: Damage Control II Expanded Cargohold II Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II Small Tractor Beam I Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement Capacitor Control Circuit I Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Hobgoblin II x10 Tanks 237 DPS (in EFT) and cap stable. About all I need really.

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