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Carella
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:51:00 -
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Hi! I wonder if it`s worth getting a raven with 500,000 skillpoints
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Carella
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Posted - 2004.07.09 11:51:00 -
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Hi! I wonder if it`s worth getting a raven with 500,000 skillpoints
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:00:00 -
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If you wanna look at it in a hangar, yeah go for it. If you wanna do something that's more dangerous then undocking in a empty 1.0 system, nope.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:00:00 -
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If you wanna look at it in a hangar, yeah go for it. If you wanna do something that's more dangerous then undocking in a empty 1.0 system, nope.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
OmegaTron
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Carella
Hi! I wonder if it`s worth getting a raven with 500,000 skillpoints
NO
you don't even have enough skills for a Cruiser m8 nevermind a Battleship.
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Carella
Hi! I wonder if it`s worth getting a raven with 500,000 skillpoints
NO
you don't even have enough skills for a Cruiser m8 nevermind a Battleship.
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qtip
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: qtip on 09/07/2004 12:13:27
i started flying BSs with 3mil SP, and that wasnt very efficient. stick with frigs for the time being, they are just as fun.
edit: imho an EW-scorp is the BS that requires the least SP to be useful with.
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qtip
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: qtip on 09/07/2004 12:13:27
i started flying BSs with 3mil SP, and that wasnt very efficient. stick with frigs for the time being, they are just as fun.
edit: imho an EW-scorp is the BS that requires the least SP to be useful with.
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:46:00 -
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Quote:
Hi! I wonder if it`s worth getting a raven with 500,000 skillpoints
Chokes, spits coffee all over monitor and ROTFLMAO.
Maybe a rifter 
Mongo speaks !!
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:46:00 -
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Quote:
Hi! I wonder if it`s worth getting a raven with 500,000 skillpoints
Chokes, spits coffee all over monitor and ROTFLMAO.
Maybe a rifter
Mongo speaks !!
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KompleX
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:55:00 -
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For God's sake, no. 
M8, you don't even have the SP to fly a cruiser right.
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KompleX
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Posted - 2004.07.09 12:55:00 -
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For God's sake, no.
M8, you don't even have the SP to fly a cruiser right.
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Ardra
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:12:00 -
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i have 550k sp and have 6 hrs before i can train BS skill so yes, he can use a cruiser
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Ardra
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:12:00 -
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i have 550k sp and have 6 hrs before i can train BS skill so yes, he can use a cruiser
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:15:00 -
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but what about large guns? medium guns? cruise missles/torps? drones?
im wondering how you have enough isk to even be considering a raven with 500k SP
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:15:00 -
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but what about large guns? medium guns? cruise missles/torps? drones?
im wondering how you have enough isk to even be considering a raven with 500k SP
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"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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KompleX
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: KompleX on 09/07/2004 13:23:54
Originally by: Ardra
i have 550k sp and have 6 hrs before i can train BS skill so yes, he can use a cruiser
And people wonder why people say they get boored easily... 
I hope you arent planning on actually flying a BS with 550K SP...
Medium guns, heavy missiles and light drones? 
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KompleX
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: KompleX on 09/07/2004 13:23:54
Originally by: Ardra
i have 550k sp and have 6 hrs before i can train BS skill so yes, he can use a cruiser
And people wonder why people say they get boored easily...
I hope you arent planning on actually flying a BS with 550K SP...
Medium guns, heavy missiles and light drones?
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Zoriander
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:26:00 -
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Apart from the fact that you won't be able to come even remotely close to fitting a raven properly, 500k skill points is also a good indicator for your level of experience in eve. Be patient and work your way through frigs and cruisers, take your time to learn the tricks of the trade ... err flying. That's the road to eventually really enjoy a raven (or any other bs).
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Zoriander
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:26:00 -
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Apart from the fact that you won't be able to come even remotely close to fitting a raven properly, 500k skill points is also a good indicator for your level of experience in eve. Be patient and work your way through frigs and cruisers, take your time to learn the tricks of the trade ... err flying. That's the road to eventually really enjoy a raven (or any other bs).
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Ardra
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:29:00 -
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doenst mean much bout his personal EXP, ive had other chars (think this is my 2nd decent char and 4th total) but yes i would w8 awhile (im only getting it now cos my pc is busted and i can set skill going at a m8s. + by time i get a ship i will have skills to fit it) id recommend a little cruiser or good frigate for time being.
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Ardra
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:29:00 -
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doenst mean much bout his personal EXP, ive had other chars (think this is my 2nd decent char and 4th total) but yes i would w8 awhile (im only getting it now cos my pc is busted and i can set skill going at a m8s. + by time i get a ship i will have skills to fit it) id recommend a little cruiser or good frigate for time being.
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FuPhal
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:29:00 -
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Ive got about 3.2 mil SP atm and i dont really feel comfortable flying my BS :/ id rather be in a cruiser hehe
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FuPhal
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:29:00 -
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Ive got about 3.2 mil SP atm and i dont really feel comfortable flying my BS :/ id rather be in a cruiser hehe
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:29:00 -
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you'd be better getting an apoc for the money and mining in empire in it, i assume you can use miner 2's!
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:29:00 -
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you'd be better getting an apoc for the money and mining in empire in it, i assume you can use miner 2's!
Death to the Galante |
Aitrus
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ardra
i have 550k sp and have 6 hrs before i can train BS skill so yes, he can use a cruiser
And here is the fatal misunderstanding that most people make, assuming that getting into the biggest ship as fast as possible somehow equates to success in Eve.
It doesn't.
If you have 500k skillpoints, yes you could technically hop in the pilots seat of a battleship and undock, and mebbe mount some guns on it. However, you will not have the skills to be remotely effective in it. You are a big, flying, 100mil isk liability. (Unless you're mining in 1.0 with an Apoc.  )
Battleship skillbook does not a battleship pilot make! You need millions of SP in support skills to do a battleship justice.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ardra
i have 550k sp and have 6 hrs before i can train BS skill so yes, he can use a cruiser
And here is the fatal misunderstanding that most people make, assuming that getting into the biggest ship as fast as possible somehow equates to success in Eve.
It doesn't.
If you have 500k skillpoints, yes you could technically hop in the pilots seat of a battleship and undock, and mebbe mount some guns on it. However, you will not have the skills to be remotely effective in it. You are a big, flying, 100mil isk liability. (Unless you're mining in 1.0 with an Apoc. )
Battleship skillbook does not a battleship pilot make! You need millions of SP in support skills to do a battleship justice.
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splattercat
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:54:00 -
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I have only just got a raven and im on 8 mill SP..even now im still tuneing the skills to fit it..Get a Apoc... go mineing and buy some inplants. when most of your eng/sheld skills are at 4/5 then think of the raven,O and Deff try pvp in a cruser with some m8s b4 doing it in a bs..
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splattercat
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Posted - 2004.07.09 13:54:00 -
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I have only just got a raven and im on 8 mill SP..even now im still tuneing the skills to fit it..Get a Apoc... go mineing and buy some inplants. when most of your eng/sheld skills are at 4/5 then think of the raven,O and Deff try pvp in a cruser with some m8s b4 doing it in a bs..
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Idara
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Posted - 2004.07.09 14:02:00 -
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I'm currently mining with an Armageddon, and I KNOW that I can't do sheet with it in regards to NPC stuff. I've got 4mill SP, but I've planned out another 1 1/4 million points (all in L4 Gunnery skills + Mechanic ones) to let me get a decent fitting on and Apoc I'm mining for.
Idara
Section Leader - Security & Warfare
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Idara
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Posted - 2004.07.09 14:02:00 -
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I'm currently mining with an Armageddon, and I KNOW that I can't do sheet with it in regards to NPC stuff. I've got 4mill SP, but I've planned out another 1 1/4 million points (all in L4 Gunnery skills + Mechanic ones) to let me get a decent fitting on and Apoc I'm mining for.
Idara
Section Leader - Security & Warfare
Member of Metatron Incorporated |
Kamath
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Posted - 2004.07.09 14:54:00 -
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Hi,
With my other account i have 3,6M SP.
And i jump only now in my scorp and raven,
I have more than 1M in missile, another 1M in spaceship command, and the rest is between navigation and engineering. I have 81k in gunnery but i dont use turrent in my config.
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Kamath
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Posted - 2004.07.09 14:54:00 -
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Hi,
With my other account i have 3,6M SP.
And i jump only now in my scorp and raven,
I have more than 1M in missile, another 1M in spaceship command, and the rest is between navigation and engineering. I have 81k in gunnery but i dont use turrent in my config.
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X'Alor
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:03:00 -
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I blew up a battle ships worth of moa's before i thought about my first BS
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X'Alor
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:03:00 -
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I blew up a battle ships worth of moa's before i thought about my first BS
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Luciender
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:04:00 -
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ye get a raven,
it will make you realise that your not ready for one.
but...
what your gonna arm it with? a dam pea shooter?
i mean seriously you aint got the skills to decently arm it, let alone fly it properly.
lets look at the posibilities -
for low modules - cap chargers - k
med - civilian shield boosters and yes more civilian shield boosters 
for hi slots - assult missle launchers! and maybe the good ole 125/150 mm Rail gun.
meh tbh, get a cruiser like a MOA or a blackbird, wait till you get 4 mil skillpoints or somthing =\
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Luciender
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:04:00 -
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ye get a raven,
it will make you realise that your not ready for one.
but...
what your gonna arm it with? a dam pea shooter?
i mean seriously you aint got the skills to decently arm it, let alone fly it properly.
lets look at the posibilities -
for low modules - cap chargers - k
med - civilian shield boosters and yes more civilian shield boosters
for hi slots - assult missle launchers! and maybe the good ole 125/150 mm Rail gun.
meh tbh, get a cruiser like a MOA or a blackbird, wait till you get 4 mil skillpoints or somthing =\
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Luciender
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:08:00 -
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on the otherhand, i do suppose he can get a raven, so that he can loose it to a vet cruiser pilot? i dunno =\
wonder if m0o or another pirate can help me out lol
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Luciender
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:08:00 -
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on the otherhand, i do suppose he can get a raven, so that he can loose it to a vet cruiser pilot? i dunno =\
wonder if m0o or another pirate can help me out lol
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Luciender
on the otherhand, i do suppose he can get a raven, so that he can loose it to a vet cruiser pilot? i dunno =\
wonder if m0o or another pirate can help me out lol
An interceptor could kill that raven. A cruiser would be overkill.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.07.09 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Luciender
on the otherhand, i do suppose he can get a raven, so that he can loose it to a vet cruiser pilot? i dunno =\
wonder if m0o or another pirate can help me out lol
An interceptor could kill that raven. A cruiser would be overkill.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.09 16:33:00 -
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lol
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.09 16:33:00 -
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lol
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Zoneh
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Posted - 2004.07.09 17:00:00 -
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omg:D I got my first bs at 4mil SP!!! You would be killed instantly!
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Zoneh
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Posted - 2004.07.09 17:00:00 -
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omg:D I got my first bs at 4mil SP!!! You would be killed instantly!
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Siroc
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Posted - 2004.07.09 18:20:00 -
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i am currently at just under 2mil skill points so I am considering myself a veteran noob.
Having said that, considering that you do not need any skill points in gunnery skills to fly Raven (if you fit it as a missle platform) and have trained up to cruise missles, I do not see any reason why you can not use it. I would not go into PVP on it because you simply will not be able to compete with people who can fit the ship the way it should be, but to kill npc cruisers and frigates in missions is easy so it would not be a problem. It would probably be waste of time because the only real reason to use it is to be able to fire torpedos or cruise missles and they cost a lot. Caracal (we are talking about Caldari ships here) armed with heavy missles would take any cruiser/frigate spawn just as well and would cost a lot less to do so because heavy misses cost fraction of cruise/torpedos.
Of cause if you want to do it because you like the look of it and just want to fly a ship size of a planet, then do not listen those UBER-wana-be skill point counting people dicing kids and just do it. Just do not go to low sec sectors.
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Siroc
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Posted - 2004.07.09 18:20:00 -
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i am currently at just under 2mil skill points so I am considering myself a veteran noob.
Having said that, considering that you do not need any skill points in gunnery skills to fly Raven (if you fit it as a missle platform) and have trained up to cruise missles, I do not see any reason why you can not use it. I would not go into PVP on it because you simply will not be able to compete with people who can fit the ship the way it should be, but to kill npc cruisers and frigates in missions is easy so it would not be a problem. It would probably be waste of time because the only real reason to use it is to be able to fire torpedos or cruise missles and they cost a lot. Caracal (we are talking about Caldari ships here) armed with heavy missles would take any cruiser/frigate spawn just as well and would cost a lot less to do so because heavy misses cost fraction of cruise/torpedos.
Of cause if you want to do it because you like the look of it and just want to fly a ship size of a planet, then do not listen those UBER-wana-be skill point counting people dicing kids and just do it. Just do not go to low sec sectors.
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.07.09 20:23:00 -
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Yeah actually, I say if you want to fly a BS, go right ahead...just dont use it in PvP. I suggest you get a Scorpion though, its cheaper, mroe adaptable, and if it dies you wont feel as bad afterwards. You could fit it with torps (or cruise, if ya got em) for some big-time NPC hunting, or fit 4 miner2's and 2 torps for some ~0.1 solo mining. You always run the risk of PvP when entering 0.0 space, but theres a few regions right next to empire space you should be able to get into relatively easily.
In an ideal world, yes you would want to say in cruisers for a while until you get good with them, but unfortunately cruisers are pretty crappy right now, theyre too bland to do much more than mine/hunt your way to a BS.
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.07.09 20:23:00 -
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Yeah actually, I say if you want to fly a BS, go right ahead...just dont use it in PvP. I suggest you get a Scorpion though, its cheaper, mroe adaptable, and if it dies you wont feel as bad afterwards. You could fit it with torps (or cruise, if ya got em) for some big-time NPC hunting, or fit 4 miner2's and 2 torps for some ~0.1 solo mining. You always run the risk of PvP when entering 0.0 space, but theres a few regions right next to empire space you should be able to get into relatively easily.
In an ideal world, yes you would want to say in cruisers for a while until you get good with them, but unfortunately cruisers are pretty crappy right now, theyre too bland to do much more than mine/hunt your way to a BS.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Siroc
i am currently at just under 2mil skill points so I am considering myself a veteran noob.
Having said that, considering that you do not need any skill points in gunnery skills to fly Raven
Right, and wrong. You need about 500k skillpoints in Gunnery, ie. Weapon Upgrades 5.
As stated above, if you want a BS, get a Scorp. Very easy to fit, and can be used even in PvP (as EW support, not as a damage dealer) with just 500k SP.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Siroc
i am currently at just under 2mil skill points so I am considering myself a veteran noob.
Having said that, considering that you do not need any skill points in gunnery skills to fly Raven
Right, and wrong. You need about 500k skillpoints in Gunnery, ie. Weapon Upgrades 5.
As stated above, if you want a BS, get a Scorp. Very easy to fit, and can be used even in PvP (as EW support, not as a damage dealer) with just 500k SP.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2004.07.10 04:54:00 -
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Edited by: hellwarrior on 10/07/2004 04:57:02
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i am currently at just under 2mil skill points so I am considering myself a veteran noob.
Having said that, considering that you do not need any skill points in gunnery skills to fly Raven (if you fit it as a missle platform) and have trained up to cruise missles, I do not see any reason why you can not use it. Quote:
I like to be nice and not flame, but this is just a noob statement. If there is any skill in gunnery you need to fly a raven, you should have at least 512,000 pts.
weapon upgrades
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As for getting a raven with 500k pts. o.0
Just alone with the basic skills of
engin 5
elec 5
and missile launcher 5 to use cruise missiles your looking at
3 x 256k pt skills.
Then you have battleship 2, and ship command 4.
Oh yea, if you want to use shield hardeners, you need shield manipulation 4 so thats like 90k...
Already your looking at over 1million points, and you can not even fire a cruise missile.
You would not even enjoy flying the raven. You would want to shoot things, but there would be cruisers that would shame your raven, because with the skills above, you can¦t use a shield booster =) Or warp core stabs which would be a better idea for the raven..
(edit, i did not read jazz bo¦s post before i stated the wep upgrade 5 thing)
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2004.07.10 04:54:00 -
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Edited by: hellwarrior on 10/07/2004 04:57:02
Quote:
i am currently at just under 2mil skill points so I am considering myself a veteran noob.
Having said that, considering that you do not need any skill points in gunnery skills to fly Raven (if you fit it as a missle platform) and have trained up to cruise missles, I do not see any reason why you can not use it. Quote:
I like to be nice and not flame, but this is just a noob statement. If there is any skill in gunnery you need to fly a raven, you should have at least 512,000 pts.
weapon upgrades
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As for getting a raven with 500k pts. o.0
Just alone with the basic skills of
engin 5
elec 5
and missile launcher 5 to use cruise missiles your looking at
3 x 256k pt skills.
Then you have battleship 2, and ship command 4.
Oh yea, if you want to use shield hardeners, you need shield manipulation 4 so thats like 90k...
Already your looking at over 1million points, and you can not even fire a cruise missile.
You would not even enjoy flying the raven. You would want to shoot things, but there would be cruisers that would shame your raven, because with the skills above, you can¦t use a shield booster =) Or warp core stabs which would be a better idea for the raven..
(edit, i did not read jazz bo¦s post before i stated the wep upgrade 5 thing)
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Gabriel BriGGs
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Posted - 2004.07.10 06:10:00 -
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ive been playing about a month and a half.. ive got about 1mil skill points. i dont fly a raven, but i could within about.. 2 weeks i think. still need lvl 4 cal cruiser and then the 3 lvls of cal battleship, but im not concentrating on it yet. all my other skills are at 3-4 (core ones.. electronics, engineering, gunnery, missles, nav, learning).
i started flying a cruiser around.. hell.. 600,000 to 700,000 skill points maybe? iv ebeen flyin one for a long time (havnt paid attention to the amount of skill points over the last few weeks).
i think im an odd exception for new players. i dont think i should be in skills, ships or just general eve standings yet, that i am in now.. hah oh well. i accelerated everything.
anyhoo.. i wouldnt bother gettign a raven right now if i could anyways. there isnt anything i can do with it yet. i could use it, but i might as well just keep using my blackbird that ive been using for aslong as i can remember. i can handle spawns with 15 low level cruisers in them and a bunch of frigates.. and some medium level cruisers also.. so hell.. im sure he could fly a cruiser if he wanted to (depends what hes doing too right)..
p.s. my first week of playing, i was flying a merlin aroudn in 0.0 space, got ganked, and then insulted by th eplayers because they didnt believe i had only been playing for one week because i was ina merlin.. lol. gg trial version! yey!!!
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2004.08.16 21:38:37 - Combat: Your 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes Blood Sage, wrecking for 324.9 damage.
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Gabriel BriGGs
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Posted - 2004.07.10 06:10:00 -
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ive been playing about a month and a half.. ive got about 1mil skill points. i dont fly a raven, but i could within about.. 2 weeks i think. still need lvl 4 cal cruiser and then the 3 lvls of cal battleship, but im not concentrating on it yet. all my other skills are at 3-4 (core ones.. electronics, engineering, gunnery, missles, nav, learning).
i started flying a cruiser around.. hell.. 600,000 to 700,000 skill points maybe? iv ebeen flyin one for a long time (havnt paid attention to the amount of skill points over the last few weeks).
i think im an odd exception for new players. i dont think i should be in skills, ships or just general eve standings yet, that i am in now.. hah oh well. i accelerated everything.
anyhoo.. i wouldnt bother gettign a raven right now if i could anyways. there isnt anything i can do with it yet. i could use it, but i might as well just keep using my blackbird that ive been using for aslong as i can remember. i can handle spawns with 15 low level cruisers in them and a bunch of frigates.. and some medium level cruisers also.. so hell.. im sure he could fly a cruiser if he wanted to (depends what hes doing too right)..
p.s. my first week of playing, i was flying a merlin aroudn in 0.0 space, got ganked, and then insulted by th eplayers because they didnt believe i had only been playing for one week because i was ina merlin.. lol. gg trial version! yey!!!
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2004.08.16 21:38:37 - Combat: Your 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes Blood Sage, wrecking for 324.9 damage.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2004.07.10 13:04:00 -
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To fly a Raven effectively, you will need 1 Million-ish in fitting skillpoints before considerng taking on an decent opponent (Electonics 5 (256K), Enginnering 5 (256K), Weapon Upgrades 5 (512K)). Otherwise you'll find yourself sticking all sorts of crap in your low-slots to keep the med and high-slots running. Also of consideration is Energy Grid 5, since this will give you that little bit of extra CPU you need to squeeze an XL Shield Booster in (should you want to fit 5 PDUs in the low-slots that is).
Hope this helps.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2004.07.10 13:04:00 -
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To fly a Raven effectively, you will need 1 Million-ish in fitting skillpoints before considerng taking on an decent opponent (Electonics 5 (256K), Enginnering 5 (256K), Weapon Upgrades 5 (512K)). Otherwise you'll find yourself sticking all sorts of crap in your low-slots to keep the med and high-slots running. Also of consideration is Energy Grid 5, since this will give you that little bit of extra CPU you need to squeeze an XL Shield Booster in (should you want to fit 5 PDUs in the low-slots that is).
Hope this helps.
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2004.07.10 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: Xtro 2 on 10/07/2004 14:06:28
Ravens are for combat and little else, seems a tad extreme mining with 4 launchers/4 miner2s but never mind, tbh for combat the only people you would effectivly be able to stand up to would be people with similar skillpoints to yourself that continued flying a cruiser while your in a bs, youd simply have a longer lasting ship defence wise.
A raven needs lots of engineering skillpoints to be of long lasting use, i have 2.3mil in engineering alone, electronics is handy, as is your missile skills, turrets are not as important depending on your loadout, most only use 2 turrets, and then the typical loadout is to us eenergy neutralisers or large nosferatu's.
Unless you have backup of a corp mate thats more skilled than you, i wouldnt take a raven anywhere dangerous, but overall theres nothing stopping you geting one, if you have any brains after geting one, youd base all your future skill training based on the ravens good and bad points.
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2004.07.10 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: Xtro 2 on 10/07/2004 14:06:28
Ravens are for combat and little else, seems a tad extreme mining with 4 launchers/4 miner2s but never mind, tbh for combat the only people you would effectivly be able to stand up to would be people with similar skillpoints to yourself that continued flying a cruiser while your in a bs, youd simply have a longer lasting ship defence wise.
A raven needs lots of engineering skillpoints to be of long lasting use, i have 2.3mil in engineering alone, electronics is handy, as is your missile skills, turrets are not as important depending on your loadout, most only use 2 turrets, and then the typical loadout is to us eenergy neutralisers or large nosferatu's.
Unless you have backup of a corp mate thats more skilled than you, i wouldnt take a raven anywhere dangerous, but overall theres nothing stopping you geting one, if you have any brains after geting one, youd base all your future skill training based on the ravens good and bad points.
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Eyeris
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Posted - 2004.07.10 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Eyeris on 10/07/2004 15:33:44
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To fly a Raven effectively, you will need 1 Million-ish in fitting skillpoints before considerng taking on an decent opponent (Electonics 5 (256K), Enginnering 5 (256K), Weapon Upgrades 5 (512K)).
You obviously haven't got a clue.
Weapon Upgrades skill decreases CPU amount needed for fitting.
Raven is the only battleship that has a truckload of CPU and is usually short on grid.Engineering 5 increases grid , so you'd need that.Electronics 5 - like I said before , CPU is not a problem on Raven.So no , you dont really need these skills at level 5 and a million skillpoints in fitting to fit a Raven.
Kthnxbye.
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Eyeris
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Posted - 2004.07.10 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Eyeris on 10/07/2004 15:33:44
Quote:
To fly a Raven effectively, you will need 1 Million-ish in fitting skillpoints before considerng taking on an decent opponent (Electonics 5 (256K), Enginnering 5 (256K), Weapon Upgrades 5 (512K)).
You obviously haven't got a clue.
Weapon Upgrades skill decreases CPU amount needed for fitting.
Raven is the only battleship that has a truckload of CPU and is usually short on grid.Engineering 5 increases grid , so you'd need that.Electronics 5 - like I said before , CPU is not a problem on Raven.So no , you dont really need these skills at level 5 and a million skillpoints in fitting to fit a Raven.
Kthnxbye.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.10 16:02:00 -
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I only have 1.2mil Skill points and im getting a geddon, does that mean its going to be inneffective? HELLZ NO!!
Lvl IV of a skill is nearly as good as lvl V folks, you dont need lvl V everything to fly a BS nicely, lvl IV is enough. Plus I already have gunnery V and thats mostly what counts for a geddon, and engineering IV and some other skills one would need.... Ohh and i have 3k mining skills, so all my skill points are focused at combat/electronics/engineering/spaceship command.
It doesnt really matter how many Skill points you have, rather where they are focused, If you have 5mil skill points in industry, that doesnt make you any better suited to fly a BS then a n00b in an ibis.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.10 16:02:00 -
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I only have 1.2mil Skill points and im getting a geddon, does that mean its going to be inneffective? HELLZ NO!!
Lvl IV of a skill is nearly as good as lvl V folks, you dont need lvl V everything to fly a BS nicely, lvl IV is enough. Plus I already have gunnery V and thats mostly what counts for a geddon, and engineering IV and some other skills one would need.... Ohh and i have 3k mining skills, so all my skill points are focused at combat/electronics/engineering/spaceship command.
It doesnt really matter how many Skill points you have, rather where they are focused, If you have 5mil skill points in industry, that doesnt make you any better suited to fly a BS then a n00b in an ibis.
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2004.07.10 18:08:00 -
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lol, ur joking? you should not be in a battleship without engineering 5, electronics 5. thats how people wind up with grid modules and co procs which make any setup ..err pretty ****e?
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2004.07.10 18:08:00 -
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lol, ur joking? you should not be in a battleship without engineering 5, electronics 5. thats how people wind up with grid modules and co procs which make any setup ..err pretty ****e?
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.10 18:51:00 -
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Cruz, you're not even in that geddon and you already know you're gonna be effective in it. I got 11mil skillpoints, parts of that in industry and science which means I've got quite a bit of gunnery skills at lvl 4 and gallente battleship lvl 4, someone with those skills at lvl 5 would dish out 20% more damage give or take a little with the exact same setup. That's not minor. Same holds true for fitting, I got really high fitting skills all lvl5s there and just barely manage to get everything I want fitted using all awesome equipment.
So yes you can use a geddon, your definition of effective needs work though.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.10 18:51:00 -
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Cruz, you're not even in that geddon and you already know you're gonna be effective in it. I got 11mil skillpoints, parts of that in industry and science which means I've got quite a bit of gunnery skills at lvl 4 and gallente battleship lvl 4, someone with those skills at lvl 5 would dish out 20% more damage give or take a little with the exact same setup. That's not minor. Same holds true for fitting, I got really high fitting skills all lvl5s there and just barely manage to get everything I want fitted using all awesome equipment.
So yes you can use a geddon, your definition of effective needs work though.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2004.07.10 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeris
Edited by: Eyeris on 10/07/2004 15:33:44
Quote:
To fly a Raven effectively, you will need 1 Million-ish in fitting skillpoints before considerng taking on an decent opponent (Electonics 5 (256K), Enginnering 5 (256K), Weapon Upgrades 5 (512K)).
You obviously haven't got a clue.
Weapon Upgrades skill decreases CPU amount needed for fitting.
Raven is the only battleship that has a truckload of CPU and is usually short on grid.Engineering 5 increases grid , so you'd need that.Electronics 5 - like I said before , CPU is not a problem on Raven.So no , you dont really need these skills at level 5 and a million skillpoints in fitting to fit a Raven.
Kthnxbye.
Easy sunshine, just making a suggestion - that's all.
Have you tried fitting 6 Siege Launchers, Heavy Nosferatus and an XL Shield Booster without it? I deem it pretty damn essential, although granted I had it trained prior to the Raven changes, but it is 2 weeks well spent if you ask me.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2004.07.10 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeris
Edited by: Eyeris on 10/07/2004 15:33:44
Quote:
To fly a Raven effectively, you will need 1 Million-ish in fitting skillpoints before considerng taking on an decent opponent (Electonics 5 (256K), Enginnering 5 (256K), Weapon Upgrades 5 (512K)).
You obviously haven't got a clue.
Weapon Upgrades skill decreases CPU amount needed for fitting.
Raven is the only battleship that has a truckload of CPU and is usually short on grid.Engineering 5 increases grid , so you'd need that.Electronics 5 - like I said before , CPU is not a problem on Raven.So no , you dont really need these skills at level 5 and a million skillpoints in fitting to fit a Raven.
Kthnxbye.
Easy sunshine, just making a suggestion - that's all.
Have you tried fitting 6 Siege Launchers, Heavy Nosferatus and an XL Shield Booster without it? I deem it pretty damn essential, although granted I had it trained prior to the Raven changes, but it is 2 weeks well spent if you ask me.
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.07.10 23:32:00 -
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When I got my Apoc, I loved it as I was able to fit 8 heavy beams instead of just 4 like on my maller. and even a L shield booster, 2 hardeners and an afterburner, and besides that, the extra cargospace
well, I think you are ready for a BS when you are able to buy & fly it, but definately not ready for using it for PvP. I only did agents with that ship, for which it was more than sufficient. Raven isn't the best BS for that though, and also not good for mining.
That was a long time ago though, now I have 12mill SP and can also fly tempests :-)
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.07.10 23:32:00 -
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When I got my Apoc, I loved it as I was able to fit 8 heavy beams instead of just 4 like on my maller. and even a L shield booster, 2 hardeners and an afterburner, and besides that, the extra cargospace
well, I think you are ready for a BS when you are able to buy & fly it, but definately not ready for using it for PvP. I only did agents with that ship, for which it was more than sufficient. Raven isn't the best BS for that though, and also not good for mining.
That was a long time ago though, now I have 12mill SP and can also fly tempests :-)
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Siroc
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Posted - 2004.07.12 15:19:00 -
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Jazz Bo and Hellwarrior, as I said, I do consider myself a veteran NOOB :) Thanks for noticing.
As some other people mentioned though, you do not have to have level 5 in Weapon Upgrades, level 3 will help and it will not take too many skill points. Even if you do not have that skill it all, you can still fit Raven well enough to do level 3 missions. They are easy enough and if someone is crazy enough to fly Raven to do them (speed/cost are the issues for me, thats why I stick with cruiser), then why not? As long person is not trying to PvP in it of cause.
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Siroc
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Posted - 2004.07.12 15:19:00 -
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Jazz Bo and Hellwarrior, as I said, I do consider myself a veteran NOOB :) Thanks for noticing.
As some other people mentioned though, you do not have to have level 5 in Weapon Upgrades, level 3 will help and it will not take too many skill points. Even if you do not have that skill it all, you can still fit Raven well enough to do level 3 missions. They are easy enough and if someone is crazy enough to fly Raven to do them (speed/cost are the issues for me, thats why I stick with cruiser), then why not? As long person is not trying to PvP in it of cause.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.07.12 15:32:00 -
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scorp is easiest to fly and only took me 3.5m skillpoints.
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Posted - 2004.07.12 15:32:00 -
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scorp is easiest to fly and only took me 3.5m skillpoints.
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agentsmitty
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Posted - 2004.07.13 03:50:00 -
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Important skills for fitting a BS for combat are:
engineering 5
elec 5
weapon upgrades 4(tech 2 damage mods are nice)
drones 5 + drone interfacing + heavy drones.
energy sys ops 4-5
energy management 4-5
BS skill 3-4
large turret 3-4-5
Missle launcher op 5, cruise missles/torps 4-5 for increased damage, FoF and defenders also very helpful.
most gunnery skills at lvl 3-4-5
navigation 4-5, afterburners 4, MWD skill(name?) 3-4(dont really need it but helpful for travel)
most shield skills at 3-4-5(helpful for all but more so for caldari)
armor skills at 4-5(every ship, but mainly non caldari)
the upgrades skills(reduced fitting) are VERY helpful (anyone else ever needed that extra 1-2 cpu?)
anything else i have forgotten?
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agentsmitty
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Posted - 2004.07.13 03:50:00 -
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Important skills for fitting a BS for combat are:
engineering 5
elec 5
weapon upgrades 4(tech 2 damage mods are nice)
drones 5 + drone interfacing + heavy drones.
energy sys ops 4-5
energy management 4-5
BS skill 3-4
large turret 3-4-5
Missle launcher op 5, cruise missles/torps 4-5 for increased damage, FoF and defenders also very helpful.
most gunnery skills at lvl 3-4-5
navigation 4-5, afterburners 4, MWD skill(name?) 3-4(dont really need it but helpful for travel)
most shield skills at 3-4-5(helpful for all but more so for caldari)
armor skills at 4-5(every ship, but mainly non caldari)
the upgrades skills(reduced fitting) are VERY helpful (anyone else ever needed that extra 1-2 cpu?)
anything else i have forgotten?
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Ashelth
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Posted - 2004.07.13 16:37:00 -
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2.5mil skill points (assuming they're all in combat related fields) lets you load 6x seige launchers and most of the other nifty things for a raven with only needing 1 pdu...
But trust me it's not a party... you're near maxed on everything and you have to skimp on a few things and cap is tight.
I had 1.9mil skill points when I first got my raven... I putting around in empire space getting implants to build up additonal funds while I was training up my skills.
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Ashelth
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Posted - 2004.07.13 16:37:00 -
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2.5mil skill points (assuming they're all in combat related fields) lets you load 6x seige launchers and most of the other nifty things for a raven with only needing 1 pdu...
But trust me it's not a party... you're near maxed on everything and you have to skimp on a few things and cap is tight.
I had 1.9mil skill points when I first got my raven... I putting around in empire space getting implants to build up additonal funds while I was training up my skills.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2004.07.13 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: agentsmitty
Important skills for fitting a BS for combat are:
engineering 5
elec 5
weapon upgrades 4(tech 2 damage mods are nice)
drones 5 + drone interfacing + heavy drones.
energy sys ops 4-5
energy management 4-5
BS skill 3-4
large turret 3-4-5
Missle launcher op 5, cruise missles/torps 4-5 for increased damage, FoF and defenders also very helpful.
most gunnery skills at lvl 3-4-5
navigation 4-5, afterburners 4, MWD skill(name?) 3-4(dont really need it but helpful for travel)
most shield skills at 3-4-5(helpful for all but more so for caldari)
armor skills at 4-5(every ship, but mainly non caldari)
the upgrades skills(reduced fitting) are VERY helpful (anyone else ever needed that extra 1-2 cpu?)
anything else i have forgotten?
I would trim this down to MINIMUM Eng 4, Electroncis 4, Drones 5 (heavy drones and drone interfacting) Energy systems operation IV, missile 5 (all big missile skills to 3 minimum) and weapons upgrades 4 to fly a Raven. I also agree that not having nav 4, Accel control 3 and high speed man 3 are pretty serious errors for a BS pilot.
Personally I have no idea why you would want a Raven as a first BS. It is SUCH a specialist ship. IMHO Dominix/Megathron or Armageddon/Apoc are much wiser to start with.
And if you're into PvP and that's why you want to get into a Raven so fast, forget it right now. If your best main has 500K skillpoints that Raven is going to die hard and fast, possibly dying to 3 frigates in a good team. That's not meant as a noob bashing comment, but I still remember my "lessons" in PvP early, running my PvP alt in a Blackbird(s) and having SPVD "teach" me. I was REAL glad that I wasn't in a BS. After a couple of weeks of lessons and a couple of million skill points, the BS was more practical.
IMHO the minimum for a BS in secure empire (ie. agent missions, mining, etc with no corp wars) is 500K skillpoints, but for low sec/0.0 it's 2 million. I'm not a total snob about PvP, but my frigate alt(not interceptor, just normal frigate alt) has 900K skillpoints, and every point trained on her takes away from my main so you can bet I didn't train unnecessary skills there (exclusing cruise missiles, which is only recently "unneccesary":/).
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2004.07.13 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: agentsmitty
Important skills for fitting a BS for combat are:
engineering 5
elec 5
weapon upgrades 4(tech 2 damage mods are nice)
drones 5 + drone interfacing + heavy drones.
energy sys ops 4-5
energy management 4-5
BS skill 3-4
large turret 3-4-5
Missle launcher op 5, cruise missles/torps 4-5 for increased damage, FoF and defenders also very helpful.
most gunnery skills at lvl 3-4-5
navigation 4-5, afterburners 4, MWD skill(name?) 3-4(dont really need it but helpful for travel)
most shield skills at 3-4-5(helpful for all but more so for caldari)
armor skills at 4-5(every ship, but mainly non caldari)
the upgrades skills(reduced fitting) are VERY helpful (anyone else ever needed that extra 1-2 cpu?)
anything else i have forgotten?
I would trim this down to MINIMUM Eng 4, Electroncis 4, Drones 5 (heavy drones and drone interfacting) Energy systems operation IV, missile 5 (all big missile skills to 3 minimum) and weapons upgrades 4 to fly a Raven. I also agree that not having nav 4, Accel control 3 and high speed man 3 are pretty serious errors for a BS pilot.
Personally I have no idea why you would want a Raven as a first BS. It is SUCH a specialist ship. IMHO Dominix/Megathron or Armageddon/Apoc are much wiser to start with.
And if you're into PvP and that's why you want to get into a Raven so fast, forget it right now. If your best main has 500K skillpoints that Raven is going to die hard and fast, possibly dying to 3 frigates in a good team. That's not meant as a noob bashing comment, but I still remember my "lessons" in PvP early, running my PvP alt in a Blackbird(s) and having SPVD "teach" me. I was REAL glad that I wasn't in a BS. After a couple of weeks of lessons and a couple of million skill points, the BS was more practical.
IMHO the minimum for a BS in secure empire (ie. agent missions, mining, etc with no corp wars) is 500K skillpoints, but for low sec/0.0 it's 2 million. I'm not a total snob about PvP, but my frigate alt(not interceptor, just normal frigate alt) has 900K skillpoints, and every point trained on her takes away from my main so you can bet I didn't train unnecessary skills there (exclusing cruise missiles, which is only recently "unneccesary":/).
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.14 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
I only have 1.2mil Skill points and im getting a geddon, does that mean its going to be inneffective? HELLZ NO!!
Lvl IV of a skill is nearly as good as lvl V folks, you dont need lvl V everything to fly a BS nicely, lvl IV is enough. Plus I already have gunnery V and thats mostly what counts for a geddon, and engineering IV and some other skills one would need.... Ohh and i have 3k mining skills, so all my skill points are focused at combat/electronics/engineering/spaceship command.
It doesnt really matter how many Skill points you have, rather where they are focused, If you have 5mil skill points in industry, that doesnt make you any better suited to fly a BS then a n00b in an ibis.
You will see... you'll fire those guns and fire shield booster. (i doubt you have mechanic skills for armor tanking).. and you'll be out of cap in 20seconds.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.14 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
I only have 1.2mil Skill points and im getting a geddon, does that mean its going to be inneffective? HELLZ NO!!
Lvl IV of a skill is nearly as good as lvl V folks, you dont need lvl V everything to fly a BS nicely, lvl IV is enough. Plus I already have gunnery V and thats mostly what counts for a geddon, and engineering IV and some other skills one would need.... Ohh and i have 3k mining skills, so all my skill points are focused at combat/electronics/engineering/spaceship command.
It doesnt really matter how many Skill points you have, rather where they are focused, If you have 5mil skill points in industry, that doesnt make you any better suited to fly a BS then a n00b in an ibis.
You will see... you'll fire those guns and fire shield booster. (i doubt you have mechanic skills for armor tanking).. and you'll be out of cap in 20seconds.
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dreddish
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Posted - 2004.07.15 10:35:00 -
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if you have the isk - then buy it !
you dont need skills to have 4k armour and 4k structure 4k cap
and avoid pvp
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dreddish
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Posted - 2004.07.15 10:35:00 -
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if you have the isk - then buy it !
you dont need skills to have 4k armour and 4k structure 4k cap
and avoid pvp
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Calamaster
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Posted - 2004.07.15 11:32:00 -
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Greetings,
I have 3 BS's across 2 accounts. This account owns a Apoc and Raven the other a Mega. I can honestly say my favorite ship is the Raven without a doubt but it is so specialised. You can't mine with it, NPC hunting cost a fortune and its only real use is PVP.
For a 1st BS the Apoc is probably now the best all round ship and its the best miner. The Mega comes a close second with the Geddon coming in third although the Geddon is a rocking BS for the money!
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Calamaster
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Posted - 2004.07.15 11:32:00 -
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Greetings,
I have 3 BS's across 2 accounts. This account owns a Apoc and Raven the other a Mega. I can honestly say my favorite ship is the Raven without a doubt but it is so specialised. You can't mine with it, NPC hunting cost a fortune and its only real use is PVP.
For a 1st BS the Apoc is probably now the best all round ship and its the best miner. The Mega comes a close second with the Geddon coming in third although the Geddon is a rocking BS for the money!
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