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Kesper North Caldari Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2008.11.24 01:31:00 - [1] Obviously blasters do the best damage damage, but is the range sufficient for POS bashing? A large POS shield radius is 30km, and with my alt's skills, using antimatter, ion siege blasters have a max range of 30.5km, so I'd be right at the very edge of my falloff distance shooting at a large POS. Is it better to just use dual 1000mm rails? Or should I suck it up and use longer-ranged ammo? Chief Diplomat, Combined Planetary Union
NoNah	Posted - 2008.11.24 01:34:00 - [2] As you say, situational, but for pos bashing, rails is the way to go. The time you spend moving around just to get within range even on smaller poses just means you would've dealt better dps with bouncers/wardens and rails anyway. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 131959
Splash Whale Ctrl-Q Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.24 03:20:00 - [3] I'd go with blasters just for the sheer damage potential. If you get hotdropped while sieging a POS it's mostly done with close-range capitals. Your blasters will literally tear through other capitals and will grant your gang the ability to take down more before dying. For just POS bashing blasters are better too imho, just use longer range ammo. Rails do **** dps. ---- When in doubt, Ctrl-Q.
Karma Coma The Rising Stars	Posted - 2008.11.24 06:25:00 - [4] FCs always ask that everyone enter into siege mode at the same time, for obvious reasons. If you have to keep warping in and out so you can get into range, you are not going to be helping. They would have been better of without your moros. Rails are the way to go, even in capital fleets you still have to be able to hit, and fitting rails doesn't affect your tank since dreads have plenty of fitting space. It just seems more practical on all levels.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.24 06:27:00 - [5] rails, because if you get jumped, you will not be the one to dictate range, so rails and 2x sensor boosters.
Theron Gyrow Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.11.24 07:36:00 - [6] Originally by: Kesper North Obviously blasters do the best damage damage, but is the range sufficient for POS bashing? A large POS shield radius is 30km, and with my alt's skills, using antimatter, ion siege blasters have a max range of 30.5km, so I'd be right at the very edge of my falloff distance shooting at a large POS. ... How the hell are you getting 30.5km range with AM? With maxed skills, you get 15km base optimal with XL blasters, so 7.5km with AM. Tbh, I can't think of the situation where I'd risk using blasters. -- Gradient forum
Sigras	Posted - 2008.11.24 07:52:00 - [7] go for the rails with any ammo, the rails do better than the blasters at 30k; also more versatility in case of a jump
Sigras	Posted - 2008.11.24 07:53:00 - [8] Originally by: Theron Gyrow ... How the hell are you getting 30.5km range with AM? With maxed skills, you get 15km base optimal with XL blasters, so 7.5km with AM. Tbh, I can't think of the situation where I'd risk using blasters. pretty sure hes including falloff in that calc
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2008.11.24 08:00:00 - [9] Drones? I'd stick with rails, even moreso for POS bashing. The range means everything *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Theron Gyrow Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.11.24 08:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Sigras Originally by: Theron Gyrow ... How the hell are you getting 30.5km range with AM? With maxed skills, you get 15km base optimal with XL blasters, so 7.5km with AM. Tbh, I can't think of the situation where I'd risk using blasters. pretty sure hes including falloff in that calc Ah, of course. Ok, numbers for this, with the proviso that I may have screwed up somewhere: disregarding tracking and including hit quality, rails with AM will be equal to blasters in damage when the blasters are 66% to their falloff. At maxed skills amd AM, that's at 24km (7.5km optimal + 16.6km to falloff). In short: don't use capital blasters unless you have a warp-in for cap fights and you're guaranteed to stay in good position for the whole fight (i.e. never). (Capital ACs do better damage than arties at 32km and under, which is a bit more feasible.) -- Gradient forum
sandamar Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.11.25 04:34:00 - [11] Quote: I'd go with blasters just for the sheer damage potential. If you get hotdropped while sieging a POS it's mostly done with close-range capitals. Your blasters will literally tear through other capitals and will grant your gang the ability to take down more before dying. That's just a stupid reason, if you get hotdropped your blaster won't take down any capital ship, no point using blaster because of that. When you get a real hotdrop you're always dead anyway. It is far better to have a fleet that pretty much fight at the same range.
Xiaodown coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.25 06:27:00 - [12] Ok, let me say this very slowly. No one fits capital blasters on their moros UNLESS they are 100% sure that they are going to go into a capital vs. capital fight, AND they're going to be 10km OR LESS from the caps they are going to be shooting. In other words, NEVER. There's almost no situation in which you would be guaranteed a fight that wouldn't extend beyond 15 or 18 km. When you're shooting pos's, you're going to be 35~40km away. Too far for blasters, even with long range faction ammo. On top of that, 3x capital blasters are going to set you back 70 million isk, and you'll have to transport another 12,000 m3 from high sec to low sec. Just do what the rest of us do. Fit rails, and buy an antimatter XL bpo. You'll be fine. ~X -- Sig under construction.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.25 06:33:00 - [13] Originally by: sandamar Quote: I'd go with blasters just for the sheer damage potential. If you get hotdropped while sieging a POS it's mostly done with close-range capitals. Your blasters will literally tear through other capitals and will grant your gang the ability to take down more before dying. That's just a stupid reason, if you get hotdropped your blaster won't take down any capital ship, no point using blaster because of that. When you get a real hotdrop you're always dead anyway. It is far better to have a fleet that pretty much fight at the same range. EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.25 09:05:00 - [14] Always fit rails and bring a few different types of ammo, after all if you have blasters and the hostile capital fleet lands 200km or so off you (as most would if your close range fitted) all you can do is sit their and watch as your ships pop one at a time unable to hit your opposition, hoping that you nail a tackler or two and can jump or warp off....... POST NERF PVP SKILLS: "shall we engage?" "hmmm how many ships do they have?" "more than us" "lets not bother then" "WOW great job FC!!!!" ".................
Rajere No Trademark	Posted - 2008.11.25 10:02:00 - [15] Quote: Ok, let me say this very slowly. No one fits capital blasters on their moros UNLESS they are 100% sure that they are going to go into a capital vs. capital fight, AND they're going to be 10km OR LESS from the caps they are going to be shooting. In other words, ALWAYS Fixed for those of us who don't do pos warfare :) but seriously, rails for pos ops, blasters are only good for hotdropping 1-2 caps that you can just gank outright, if your cap fleet is hotdropping another capital fleet you'll still want rails. -------------------------- NOTR How to Fail at Eve
Rivur'Tam Fatality.	Posted - 2008.11.25 11:21:00 - [16] I don't do cap fleets really as i hate blobs but i see what everyones saying Rails make a lot of sense, i actually hit a geddon for 20k damage with one of my ions in siege that was awesome .. I like teh secs and teh boobies
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2008.11.25 11:39:00 - [17] Only people who have never flown a Moros before would fit blasters. Failthread.
MellaRinn Gallente Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.11.25 12:50:00 - [18] Originally by: TimMc Only people who have never flown a Moros before would fit blasters. Failthread. this ✖Veto Corp. Officer✖ Click the sig 4 my vids
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.11.25 14:33:00 - [19] Originally by: MellaRinn Originally by: TimMc Only people who have never flown a Moros before would fit blasters. Failthread. this this x 2 I have seen them used against small pos' for fun - but strictly speaking, its rails. ---- ECCM is a Counter-measure not a defense.

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