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Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2008.11.27 09:13:00 - [31] Originally by: bluebeyond Edited by: bluebeyond on 26/11/2008 13:44:47 Your only a month old. All turrets will be crap until you get T2 and good support skills. One of my alts has maxed out lazors and they're fking amazing. TBH i think they're the best turrets atm. Lies. T1 lasers aren't crap, they're actaully quite good. But you do however really start to shine once you can mount Scorch crystals :D Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2008.11.27 09:15:00 - [32] Originally by: John Hollow Ok, thanks for the tips! Saving up for an Omen until I get my drone skills up. One more thing, I had two N50 Nos things on it, and I didn't notice much of a cap drain at all on another cruiser. Do you need a lot of these to really drain your enemy, or should I be looking into using neuts instead? NOS only works if your Capacitor percentage is LOWER than your enemies capacitor percentage. So, some examples: You: 50% Him: 90% Drain: Yes You: 90% Him: 20% Drain: No You: 50% Him: 49% Drain: Yes, for about one cycle, then you will be even and it will stop draining. Neuts will destroy his cap always, but it will ALSO destroy yours. This makes them more useful against smaller classes (BS > Cruiser > Frigate) but with good skills and some hardwirings, Neuts can be really dangerous. Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change.
Morgan La'Chance Caldari Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics	Posted - 2008.11.27 09:22:00 - [33] And if used on the aforementioned Arbitrator's tech 2 hull derivatives, Pilgrim and Curse, that have bonuses geared towards the use of energy neutralizers and energy vampires. But yeah, most things about putting those guns on an Arbitrator has been said, but I will reiterate for this page: Fit up an Omen with 3 heat sinks and 3 focused medium pulse and multifrequency crystals loaded. Should be able to deal a decent amount of damage for your character age, but yes, lasers are skill intensive weapons.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2008.11.27 09:36:00 - [34] Originally by: Morgan La'Chance ... Omen with 3 heat sinks and 3 focused medium pulse ... Shouldn't that be 5? Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change.
Arkadrell	Posted - 2008.11.27 10:06:00 - [35] Originally by: Wil Smithx Originally by: Murina Originally by: Arkadrell lasers > hybrids > artilieries > missiles ~~Lazers~~ Lasers are certainly the best out their atm by far, but the order you have for the others is highly subjective to what they are actually shooting at. Very true muririna. I would say: Missions Cruise > lasers > torps > hybrids > projectile 0.0 ratting Torps > lasers > hybrids > projectile > cruise PVP (In the tank/gank sense of things) Torps > lasers > hybrids > projectile > cruise PVP, however, depends on lots of things. Here I'm talking generally about battleship combat but that's rarely the case of pvp tbh. Medium ships are the kings atm because BS have been nerfed to hell (thank you CCP you C&*Ts). But then that's just my opinion, and I'm drunk so yea... (it was hard typing all of this) lol your doing the FoTM and already dreading the day they might nerf lasers? ;P anyways cruise missiles arnt half as good as they used to be for missile running (even on simlular sized missile/ships, and hardly when fired at smaller ships. When elite frigates in missions can more or less tank your cruise missiles you know things arnt working that well. bla bla blah... get drones skills, do this do that, missiles just arnt that great anymore I think.) lmao at torps comment for pvp <.< have fun fighting anything smaller than a Battle ship, which is bound to happen and really suck. This issue isnt anywhere near as bad with guns. about pve; missiles where never the best/fastest way to run missison. Guns could do things faster, the reason people use missiles is their to lazy to watch ranges/traversial/sig rad, and use Targetpainters/scrips/ect swap ammos and all those things. With missiles you used to just hit F1-F8 keys and things dies.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.11.27 10:15:00 - [36] Originally by: Arkadrell With missiles you used to just hit F1-F8 keys and things dies. Personally, I've never needed to go past F7 for a missile ship. Can't seem to find one of those Raven, State Issues on the market . But you're halfway there on why missiles were so common for PVE. The reason is the missiles themselves and the Raven's fairly unique ROF bonus rather than a strict kinetic bonus. This means the Raven can effectively deal pure damage of any type to perfectly match the weakest resist of a given rat type. While the Raven was never the fastest mission runner out there, it was always a solid second or third place choice for any mission or scenario. The benefit of having a weapon that can hit a target for at least some damage regardless of it's activity cannot be overlooked. I was taking potshots at a spider drone in a harbinger for example and my heavy beam laser II's simply cannot track the target (actually, it's not even close). Much to my frustration a single web didn't reslove the problem. I found I needed to use dual webs and three tracking enhances to do the job. Of course, the harbinger has a drone bay and those light drones handily chew up anything the guns can't track. The Raven also has a drone bay ideally sized to carry a flight of light and a flight of medium drones into a mission. Managing drones when they're nothing but support is really very little to ask when most of the Raven pilots attention is directed at watching their cap and cycling their booster at appropiate moments, while occasionally telling the missiles to fire.
Mankirks Wife Caldari Space Furry Association	Posted - 2008.11.27 12:39:00 - [37] I hate to be rude (since this is a serious reply and I'm not just trolling ) but it sounds like you were failfit to begin with and then disappointed when your badly fit ship failed to perform. Get Eve Fitting Tool (it's right here on this forum on the front page), and Evemon as well if you haven't already. Play around with 'em, it will help guide you in fitting your ships enormously. Just don't go overboard and turn into an EFT warrior on us. --- Originally by: tarin adur Also, cuz Sporks are like minmatar,do lots of things ok...but nothing spectacularly.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2008.11.28 07:03:00 - [38] Originally by: Arkadrell lol your doing the FoTM and already dreading the day they might nerf lasers? ;P anyways cruise missiles arnt half as good as they used to be for missile running (even on simlular sized missile/ships, and hardly when fired at smaller ships. When elite frigates in missions can more or less tank your cruise missiles you know things arnt working that well. bla bla blah... get drones skills, do this do that, missiles just arnt that great anymore I think.) Look...shooting Cruise missiles (a BATTLESHIP SIZED WEAPON) at frigates never was effective. Sure, it sorta halfly worked before (you'd need many volleys to pop a frig, much more to pop an elite frig and wasting ammo in the process), but that was more an overlook than anything else. Try shooting a frigate with a large turret and you won't hit jack. Cruise missiles were simply balanced in that aspect. (And if you check my posts around here you'll see that I fly a CNR with CN launchers and I'm NOT whining. Adapt.) Originally by: Arkadrell lmao at torps comment for pvp <.< have fun fighting anything smaller than a Battle ship, which is bound to happen and really suck. This issue isnt anywhere near as bad with guns. And the problem is? Battleships aren't supposed to be omgwtfpwnmobiles that can kill anything from an inty up to a dread. Get a gang with a paintboat, or fit a painter yourself and you'll see a significant increase in damage on BCs and even cruisers. You aren't supposed to oneshot them. Originally by: Arkadrell about pve; missiles where never the best/fastest way to run missison. Guns could do things faster, the reason people use missiles is their to lazy to watch ranges/traversial/sig rad, and use Targetpainters/scrips/ect swap ammos and all those things. With missiles you used to just hit F1-F8 keys and things dies. Yeah, because everyone has a Raven State Issue with 8 launchers. Jokes aside, people didn't use the Raven for missions because it was the best. They used it because it was the most versatile. Switching damagetypes is godgiven and also doing so while retaining damageoutput is very nice. I do however admit that turret boats are endlessly more fun running missions with. Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change.
Terraform Gallente Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2008.11.28 07:36:00 - [39] Edited by: Terraform on 28/11/2008 07:36:34 Originally by: Ancy Denaries Quote: Jokes aside, people didn't use the Raven for missions because it was the best. They used it because it was the EASIEST DAMN SHIP TO FLY. Switching damagetypes is godgiven and also doing so while retaining damageoutput is very nice. I do however admit that turret boats are endlessly more fun running missions with. Fixed that one.
Morgan La'Chance Caldari Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics	Posted - 2008.11.28 08:19:00 - [40] Originally by: Ancy Denaries Originally by: Morgan La'Chance ... Omen with 3 heat sinks and 3 focused medium pulse ... Shouldn't that be 5? Hahaha, indeed it should I think I was going to tell him to fit tracking enhancers as well bit then changed my mind and thus the number 3 stayed.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.11.28 08:24:00 - [41] In case anyone hasn't pointed this out yet, Medium beams are frigate size guns. And two of them isn't very many anyway. But lasers are awesome. -- 249km locking?
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.11.28 10:52:00 - [42] Originally by: James Lyrus In case anyone hasn't pointed this out yet, Medium beams are frigate size guns. And two of them isn't very many anyway. But lasers are awesome. Quad Medium Beam lasers are Cruiser sized, but have the base stats of the frig version, just a much higher RoF.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2008.11.28 14:25:00 - [43] Originally by: Terraform Fixed that one. Fair enough on that one, actually. Raven was easily the easiest lvl 4 missionrunner to train for. These days, you actually need to do some training to use it, which is good. Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change.

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