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Zivoril	Posted - 2008.11.28 01:40:00 - [1] Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 01:42:37 Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 01:41:44 Almost every single Caldari pilot now knows how - UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY USELESS MISSLES HAVE BECOME. Yes, Caps are more than needed! I just flew a Rohk and got owned, by a drake? WTF! NO, I will NOT- post the kill mail! I will state even the pilot of of the Drake admitted that-what CCP did is a horrible NERF- beyond any reasonable expectations~! What even worse is CCP now at this point knows it. What use to be an average Raven battleship with T2 is now the worst Battle ship in the game AND EVERY CALDARI PILOT KNOWS IT! I ponder does CCP even care? Will they fix what they have destroyed!@ Yes my indeed this post is the final CCP waKE UP!
James Holcomb Caldari Davy Jones Locker Einherjar Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.28 01:44:00 - [2] I think what is more frustrating is that I don't have an out at this point in time. I have dedicated my character to the Caldari model which includes shield tanking on top of missile firing. The only real option of change I can see is to use hybrid turrets but even that is more powerful in the hands of a Gallente vessel in most cases. One will just have to adapt until CCP does something, webifiers and lots of target painting.
Zivoril	Posted - 2008.11.28 01:50:00 - [3] Yes, yes whaTS worse- is every Caldari pilot that flys a T2 Missle ships know how utterly useless they are now. WHATS WORSE- is they were second hand before the CCP nerf! Now we are seeing a Battle ship I.E the Raven as being the wosrt BS in the game. Even before we accepted Ravens eve fitted with T2 were 3rd to 4th Best .., Hey thanks CCP!
Finnroth Caldari The Crimson Fraternity	Posted - 2008.11.28 01:50:00 - [4] I declare myself retarted for just posting in this thread, as i have resisted it for a few months now, but honestly: What exactly is your point? Battleships needing support for killing smaller stuff? Oh noes, catastrophe! Drake pwning your fuking Rokh? The Rokh is a fcking Sniper, and a Drake is a missile boat, so again, what is your point? And don't even start with missions, i am doing them myself without any more troubles than before the patch - probably because i am not stupid enough to try and shoot every single rat with Cruise Missiles, but make use of the 75m¦ Drone bay (yes 75m¦, if you do the math you will discover you can fill it with medium AND light drones to your taste). Sorry for feeding the troll, and apologys to myself for not being able to resist anymore.
Djan Anaplian Gallente Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.28 01:53:00 - [5] Awesome troll.
Toshiro Khan Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.28 01:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Zivoril I just flew a Rohk and got owned, by a drake? Erm... Let me get this right.. Your flying a Battleship thats designed for turrets, and got owned by a missle spewing uber tanked battle cruiser... And your crying about how useless missles are.... It seems that you might have got things a little wrong there.
Zivoril	Posted - 2008.11.28 01:58:00 - [7] Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 02:01:16 Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 01:59:05 Originally by: Finnroth I declare myself retarted for just posting in this thread, as i have resisted it for a few months now, but honestly: What exactly is your point? Battleships needing support for killing smaller stuff? Oh noes, catastrophe! Drake pwning your fuking Rokh? The Rokh is a fcking Sniper, and a Drake is a missile boat, so again, what is your point? And don't even start with missions, i am doing them myself without any more troubles than before the patch - probably because i am not stupid enough to try and shoot every single rat with Cruise Missiles, but make use he 75m¦ Drone bay (yes 75m¦, if you do the math you will discover you can fill it with medium AND light drones to Sorry for feeding the troll, and apologys to myself for not being able to resist anymore. Oh cough ok a Rokh, with 2 Hybrid and 4 T2 cruise is gay! I should now buY a drake? Guess fuking what? I will, and so will every single Caldari player- because BS are weak and the Drake is the Bomb? You and all who dont know What ccp did are as useless as CPP and have no idea what CCp destroyed- the Caldari BS!@
the pedlar	Posted - 2008.11.28 02:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Djan Anaplian Awesome troll. You sure are...!!
Zivoril	Posted - 2008.11.28 02:04:00 - [9] The most interesting aspect is there Is over a Hundred posts to CCP Mess up of the Missles! How many posts remains?
Khraunus Amarr Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.11.28 02:06:00 - [10] 1) Use PWNAGE target painters 2) Use webbers 3) Next time you're out in your TURRET ship, fit TURRETS instead of MISSILES Enjoy your nano nerf Most importantly, how are you supposed to tell whether this is part of my post or my signature?
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.11.28 02:07:00 - [11] Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 28/11/2008 02:09:32 Originally by: Zivoril Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 01:42:37 Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 01:41:44 Almost every single Caldari pilot now knows how - UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY USELESS MISSLES HAVE BECOME. Yes, Caps are more than needed! I just flew a Rohk and got owned, by a drake? WTF! NO, I will NOT- post the kill mail! I will state even the pilot of of the Drake admitted that-what CCP did is a horrible NERF- beyond any reasonable expectations~! What even worse is CCP now at this point knows it. What use to be an average Raven battleship with T2 is now the worst Battle ship in the game AND EVERY CALDARI PILOT KNOWS IT! I ponder does CCP even care? Will they fix what they have destroyed!@ Yes my indeed this post is the final CCP waKE UP! ok, so your title says "missiles are worthless" but you were flying a rokh (battleship) and got pwned by a drake, a missile boat(even though missiles are useless???) its not missiles m8, its you Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Ghost hunter Naqam	Posted - 2008.11.28 02:12:00 - [12] Just popping in to say, I've never been happier with my Scorpion's cruise missiles post-patch than I ever have been. Cheers, o/ ______ The Seven Events of the Apocalypse The fourth event is described by Macaper as ôthe appetite of nothing expands over the worldö;
Zivoril	Posted - 2008.11.28 02:15:00 - [13] Every Single Caldari Pilot, is -----------and a straight witness to the Missle Nerf! Whats worse, is Those who dont fly missle ships have a word to say! Those people are Beyond rational thinking. The proof is in the pudding! 1)Fly a missle ship before the patch! 2)Then fly the same ship in ANY SITUATION! You'll sonn realize CCP messed Every -missle aspect up---not only to factor beyond weakenss, But to a point where even missle ship owners are asking WTF HAPPENED:?>
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno	Posted - 2008.11.28 02:16:00 - [14] Please dont falll for this awful troll, just dont :/ - Boosters and PirateProfessions
Khraunus Amarr Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.11.28 02:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Zivoril Every Single Caldari Pilot, is -----------and a straight witness to the Missle Nerf! Whats worse, is Those who dont fly missle ships have a word to say! Those people are Beyond rational thinking. The proof is in the pudding! 1)Fly a missle ship before the patch! 2)Then fly the same ship in ANY SITUATION! You'll sonn realize CCP messed Every -missle aspect up---not only to factor beyond weakenss, But to a point where even missle ship owners are asking WTF HAPPENED:?> I'm sorry but----- at this point your troll is thinly-veiled and therefore your score has been reduced from a 2/10------to a 0.5/10 Most importantly, how are you supposed to tell whether this is part of my post or my signature?
Ghost hunter Naqam	Posted - 2008.11.28 02:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Please dont falll for this awful troll, just dont :/ I like making think I care. Oh, whats up by the way Rex? ______ The Seven Events of the Apocalypse The fourth event is described by Macaper as ôthe appetite of nothing expands over the worldö;
Zivoril	Posted - 2008.11.28 02:21:00 - [17] Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 02:21:03 Remember those who say all is fine are a Minority! Those WHO say Missles were destroyed are a MAJORITY!
Khraunus Amarr Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.11.28 02:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Zivoril Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 02:21:03 Remember those who say all is fine are a Minority! Those WHO say Missles were destroyed are a MAJORITY! Just like you make up the majority of people give a crap? If you want results stop whoring your own threads to death Most importantly, how are you supposed to tell whether this is part of my post or my signature?
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.28 02:53:00 - [19] Edited by: Armoured C on 28/11/2008 02:55:14 feel the double pain of the sensor damp and drone loss, feel the pain of my mid slot lost of my EOS considering i am part of the drone race and seem to be loosing drone space on some needed ships payback is a biatch , enjoy your nano nerf you lazy caldari scumbags CCP hit with wrecking shot against missiles dealing justice to all HOOOORARRRRR couldnt resist
Number 86 Eat Ship and Die	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:03:00 - [20] Edited by: Number 86 on 28/11/2008 03:06:27 Edited by: Number 86 on 28/11/2008 03:05:23 Edited by: Number 86 on 28/11/2008 03:04:44 Originally by: Zivoril Every Single Caldari Pilot, is **ed off and a straight witness to the missle Nerf! Uh.... umm... Im not the slightest bit upset, and I am Caldari and specced for missiles exclusively! Caldari never designated you our spokesman, don't speak for other people, just go away Originally by:** Zivoril Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 02:21:03 Remember those who say all is fine are level headed and aren't complaining! Those WHO say Missles were destroyed are MYSELF! edit* fixed quote edit2 this guy can't even spell missile, why would he know anything about using them?
Zivoril	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Armoured C Edited by: Armoured C on 28/11/2008 02:55:14 feel the double pain of the sensor damp and drone loss, feel the pain of my mid slot lost of my EOS considering i am part of the drone race and seem to be loosing drone space on some needed ships payback is a biatch , enjoy your nano nerf you lazy caldari scumbags CCP hit with wrecking shot against missiles dealing justice to all HOOOORARRRRR couldnt resist Caldari pilots looked then realized! Regardless of your whine, Missles are all we have! Now, should we turn drones?
Zivoril	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:09:00 - [22] Originally by: Number 86 Edited by: Number 86 on 28/11/2008 03:06:27 Edited by: Number 86 on 28/11/2008 03:05:23 Edited by: Number 86 on 28/11/2008 03:04:44 Originally by: Zivoril Every Single Caldari Pilot, is **ed off and a straight witness to the missle Nerf! Uh.... umm... Im not the slightest bit upset, and I am Caldari and specced for missiles exclusively! Caldari never designated you our spokesman, don't speak for other people, just go away Originally by:** Zivoril Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 02:21:03 Remember those who say all is fine are level headed and aren't complaining! Those WHO say Missles were destroyed are MYSELF! edit* fixed quote edit2 this guy can't even spell missile, why would he know anything about using them? Feel better, a spelling correction wont help you! Exposed you aRE the minority!
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:09:00 - [23] Edited by: Armoured C on 28/11/2008 03:10:32 Originally by: Ghost hunter Just popping in to say, I've never been happier with my Scorpion's cruise missiles post-patch than I ever have been. Cheers, o/ just thought i quote this one :) and if he the minority then so are you since he is caldarian you just suck
Meister75th Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:10:00 - [24] Originally by: Zivoril Yes, yes whaTS worse- is every Caldari pilot that flys a T2 Missle ships know how utterly useless they are now. I love my Cerberus. How dare you insult my T2 Missle ship! You made her cry. I will now own your Rokh with it. Oh wait, missiles are useless, along with my ship, so I can't.
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:11:00 - [25] I agree with the OP. Caldari need to be nerfed badly. Although I do have a complaint about the thread title. My trade alt confirmed that missiles do indeed have a worth since he could not manage to aquire them for free. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did I really need certificates to tell me I lack Basic Core Competency?
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Khemul Zula I agree with the OP. Caldari need to be nerfed badly. Although I do have a complaint about the thread title. My trade alt confirmed that missiles do indeed have a worth since he could not manage to aquire them for free. lol dont make him to agnry his brain might explo.....oooh wait yeah continue i dont care
Zivoril	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:14:00 - [27] Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 03:16:52 Originally by: Meister75th Originally by: Zivoril Yes, yes whaTS worse- is every Caldari pilot that flys a T2 Missle ships know how utterly useless they are now. I love my Cerberus. How dare you insult my T2 Missle ship! You made her cry. I will now own your Rokh with it. Oh wait, missiles are useless, along with my ship, so I can't. Stop this madness! People like you are ignorant. If I apply to your thought process then, all Caldari pilots should all fly Drakes and Caldari HACs! Dont you get it? T2 cruise missles are weaker now even with skills to 4 and 5. Prescion are now so bad when you fire at a frigate you cry. (Im talking PVE forget PVP)!!!!!!!!
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:21:00 - [28] Originally by: Zivoril Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 03:16:52 Originally by: Meister75th Originally by: Zivoril Yes, yes whaTS worse- is every Caldari pilot that flys a T2 Missle ships know how utterly useless they are now. I love my Cerberus. How dare you insult my T2 Missle ship! You made her cry. I will now own your Rokh with it. Oh wait, missiles are useless, along with my ship, so I can't. Stop this madness! People like you are ignorant. If I apply to your thought process then, all Caldari pilots should all fly Drakes and Caldari HACs! Dont you get it? T2 cruise missles are weaker now even with skills to 4 and 5. Prescion are now so bad when you fire at a frigate you cry. (Im talking PVE forget PVP)!!!!!!!! I forgot PVP once. It didn't go very well for that ship. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did I really need certificates to tell me I lack Basic Core Competency?
Grave Tidings	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:27:00 - [29] Amazing. I've been using my cruise missiles rather successfully today at exactly what they were meant for - cruisers and battleships. Amazingly, the drones are still quite good at taking down frigs! Holy crap, a tool for the job. Using cruise missiles against frigates has always been like cutting jello with a hammer.
Meister75th Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:38:00 - [30] Originally by: Zivoril Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 03:16:52 Originally by: Meister75th Originally by: Zivoril stuff more stuff Stop this madness! People like you are ignorant. If I apply to your thought process then, all Caldari pilots should all fly Drakes and Caldari HACs! Dont you get it? T2 cruise missles are weaker now even with skills to 4 and 5. Prescion are now so bad when you fire at a frigate you cry. (Im talking PVE forget PVP)!!!!!!!! They should if they want to kill Frigates more effectively than Battleships.. Cruises are fine. And why are you shooting Precision Cruises at frigates in the first place. Cost vs Reward is so miserable it isn't even worth it, plus its a waste of time. Let your drones do the work. Also, I was talking PVE too, I use my Cerb in L4's and do fine.
Zivoril	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:41:00 - [31] Originally by: Grave Tidings Amazing. I've been using my cruise missiles rather successfully today at exactly what they were meant for - cruisers and battleships. Amazingly, the drones are still quite good at taking down frigs! Holy crap, a tool for the job. Using cruise missiles against frigates has always been like cutting jello with a hammer. As I've seen this typical post along with the Majority! This post is the very far and few stuck somewhere along with posts like mine that massively outnumber it. The flaw with is post (he said" cruisers -WRONG- mabye he meant battlecruisers? Battleships huh? Try a NPC now that this patch is applied! Sorry - we know and you dont!
Zivoril	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:45:00 - [32] Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 03:46:16 Originally by: Meister75th Originally by: Zivoril Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 03:16:52 Originally by: Meister75th Originally by: Zivoril stuff more stuff Stop this madness! People like you are ignorant. If I apply to your thought process then, all Caldari pilots should all fly Drakes and Caldari HACs! Dont you get it? T2 cruise missles are weaker now even with skills to 4 and 5. Prescion are now so bad when you fire at a frigate you cry. (Im talking PVE forget PVP)!!!!!!!! They should if they want to kill Frigates more effectively than Battleships.. Cruises are fine. And why are you shooting Precision Cruises at frigates in the first place. Cost vs Reward is so miserable it isn't even worth it, plus its a waste of time. Let your drones do the work. Also, I was talking PVE too, I use my Cerb in L4's and do fine. Fing bullchit! Then I, ask you Sir why do we even have a Precsion missle for. I have almost every skill at 5 except for 3 and Im still wondering how you and other are SEEING SOMETHING DIFFERENT -EITHER VS PVE OR PVP?
Brendalin Kerr Caldari The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:45:00 - [33] You know.....you can train other skills right??? I started as Caldari and can now use Hybrids and Projectile weapons...oh yeah and the ships that go with them...wow what a concept. Branch out and become a pilot that can do more than one thing.
Zivoril	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:49:00 - [34] Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 03:49:28 Originally by: Brendalin Kerr You know.....you can train other skills right??? I started as Caldari and can now use Hybrids and Projectile weapons...oh yeah and the ships that go with them...wow what a concept. Branch out and become a pilot that can do more than one thing. How cute, as if to say? Dont bother training missles at all! Exactly your thought gos along with hey why waste 10 mil SP on missles spread it out. Mabye just mabye some of us like the missles and all the many skill sets, Jeeze after all CCP made for some reason I dunno mabye to use missles????
Principe Amarr	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:53:00 - [35] Actually, my heavy assault missiles are doing great. BS's go down quickly ---------------------------------------------- Reclaiming through the use of superior Khanid technology ------------------------
Antiochus Laetus Gallente Nox Aeternu	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:54:00 - [36] Honestly I dont see a problem with missiles, I trained for missiles first, I went all Caldari for 3 years. I still do fine with missiles. Granted I'll be glad when they redesign the whole blob of missiles thing. The Federation above all.
Zivoril	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:54:00 - [37] Originally by: Principe Actually, my heavy assault missiles are doing great. BS's go down quickly This post is exactly why CCP broke the missles and there aspect!
Zivoril	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:56:00 - [38] Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 03:58:28 Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 03:57:00 The fact is CCP tryed to fix a weapon and messed it up. I hope they take another look at all missles and re-evalauate!
Ron Bacardi Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.11.28 04:07:00 - [39] Edited by: Ron Bacardi on 28/11/2008 04:08:41 I'm Caldari. I've used missiles since the patch. I haven't had a problem. They kill BS's quite nicely...which is exactly what they're supposed to do. Medium drones for cruiser size npc's, light drones for frigs. Where's the problem? EDIT: WTF are you doing putting missiles on a Rokh? It's a gun ship.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.11.28 04:17:00 - [40] LOL. Well constructed troll is well constructed. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Lothris Andastar	Posted - 2008.11.28 04:41:00 - [41] Hey guise! Fit a bloody target painter and theres no change! Adapt or die
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.11.28 05:12:00 - [42] Originally by: Lothris Andastar Hey guise! Fit a bloody target painter and theres no change! Adapt or die One less mid slot on a BS with hardly the strongest tank = no change? :S
Soleramnus Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.28 05:16:00 - [43] Edited by: Soleramnus on 28/11/2008 05:16:43 Originally by: Zivoril How cute, as if to say? Dont bother training missles at all! I have exactly 4 skill points in Missiles and am darn proud of it! \o/
Molly Mayhem	Posted - 2008.11.28 05:32:00 - [44] Just popping in on my 3 month old caldari missile spec character to say CRY MOAR NOOB.
Severe Admin Blind Industries	Posted - 2008.11.28 05:34:00 - [45] nice this ops troll is nailing people left and right. 8/10
Moonshadoe Caldari Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.11.28 05:50:00 - [46] I believe the OP is referring to the following http://killtracker.exuromortis.net/index.php?p=details&id=39772 lulz beware the BATTLEDRAKE!!! TM Elise Randolph
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.11.28 05:55:00 - [47] Originally by: Moonshadoe I believe the OP is referring to the following http://killtracker.exuromortis.net/index.php?p=details&id=39772 lulz beware the BATTLEDRAKE!!! TM Elise Randolph Pwned. Even noobs know you should fit lasers on everything anyways. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did I really need certificates to tell me I lack Basic Core Competency?
Severe Admin Blind Industries	Posted - 2008.11.28 06:45:00 - [48] Edited by: Severe Admin on 28/11/2008 06:54:06
Khaeldon Golden Clover Astrogeologists	Posted - 2008.11.28 06:52:00 - [49] re+tard+ed Pronunciation: \ri-ˈtSr-dəd\ Function: adjective Date: 1895
Clinically Gallente ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.28 06:53:00 - [50] Holy forum breakage batman! ________________ ANZAC Recruitment - NOW OPEN!
Severe Admin Blind Industries	Posted - 2008.11.28 06:55:00 - [51] yes stop breaking the forum with your horrible posting.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.11.28 07:21:00 - [52] I can fly a blackbird in levle 3 missions, with missiles or even with lasers, with an armor tank and my missile skills blow more then defenders In PVP? Well, did someone PVP in missile boats before My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Furb Killer Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.11.28 08:22:00 - [53] Did missions before QR in CNR, did them after QR in CNR. If you used missiles on frigs you are doing it wrong, you got drones for that. Missiles vs cruisers doesnt matter much, they still go down very fast. Missiles vs t2 npc cruisers, here is a difference, this sometimes takes quite a bit longer Missiles vs battlecruisers+battleships, here is a difference, due to weapons grouping npcs will fire far less defenders, so you do more dps end result: Missions still go just as fast. --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.28 08:26:00 - [54] Originally by: Furb Killer Did missions before QR in CNR, did them after QR in CNR. If you used missiles on frigs you are doing it wrong, you got drones for that. Missiles vs cruisers doesnt matter much, they still go down very fast. Missiles vs t2 npc cruisers, here is a difference, this sometimes takes quite a bit longer Missiles vs battlecruisers+battleships, here is a difference, due to weapons grouping npcs will fire far less defenders, so you do more dps end result: Missions still go just as fast. Come to that I was one-volleying rat frigates with my CNR last night anyway. Hint: Wait for them to slow down...
Ian Luxor Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 08:33:00 - [55] Originally by: Furb Killer Did missions before QR in CNR, did them after QR in CNR. If you used missiles on frigs you are doing it wrong, you got drones for that. Missiles vs cruisers doesnt matter much, they still go down very fast. Missiles vs t2 npc cruisers, here is a difference, this sometimes takes quite a bit longer Missiles vs battlecruisers+battleships, here is a difference, due to weapons grouping npcs will fire far less defenders, so you do more dps end result: Missions still go just as fast. /signed
Tom Perrish Frontier Pilots	Posted - 2008.11.28 08:33:00 - [56] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Furb Killer Did missions before QR in CNR, did them after QR in CNR. If you used missiles on frigs you are doing it wrong, you got drones for that. Missiles vs cruisers doesnt matter much, they still go down very fast. Missiles vs t2 npc cruisers, here is a difference, this sometimes takes quite a bit longer Missiles vs battlecruisers+battleships, here is a difference, due to weapons grouping npcs will fire far less defenders, so you do more dps end result: Missions still go just as fast. Come to that I was one-volleying rat frigates with my CNR last night anyway. Hint: Wait for them to slow down... THIS same here,i did missions before and after QR, if you are really skilled in missles (and know how to fit) you wont have any probs
NeoShocker Caldari Foundation Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.11.28 08:44:00 - [57] I dunno about you guys, but I like my golem able to hit a 4.1km+ crow with cruise missiles (regular cruise missiles) and target painter on it and at LEAST able to do damage for the first time against nano***s! Pre-QR, any ship going 3.3km+, you're 100% immune against all missiles. If anything, missiles are fine. ----------------------------------- Peace through power!
Sicex Biggest Dickest	Posted - 2008.11.28 08:44:00 - [58] Originally by: Tom Perrish same here,i did missions before and after QR, if you are really skilled in missles (and know how to fit) you wont have any probs Wait so I don't just mash the F-keys? What do you expect me to try to learn some other mashing pattern? Pfft, as if noob...
Emalyn Throsar Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.11.28 08:47:00 - [59] I don't see a problem with missiles. At least they're working fine for me. Use the right kind of missile and stop trying to kill frigates with cruise missiles, mmmk. P.S. Use your drones to swat them cause last I heard Caldari ships have (dun dun dunnnnnnn) Drone Bays!
Cairn Metalhand Swedish Aerospace Inc G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.11.28 08:49:00 - [60] Please don't feed this horrible troll... Feeding the horrible troll by posting oh and btw, i collect badgers...
Leo Achura Segunda Fundacion INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.11.28 08:49:00 - [61] Originally by: Zivoril Oh cough ok a Rokh, with 2 Hybrid and 4 T2 cruise is gay! I should now buY a drake? Guess fuking what? I will, and so will every single Caldari player- because BS are weak and the Drake is the Bomb? You and all who dont know What ccp did are as useless as CPP and have no idea what CCp destroyed- the Caldari BS!@ If you fited a Rokh with Cruise launchers you shouldnt be crying... you should be making missions or something.
Rehtom Lamina ECM Space Patrol	Posted - 2008.11.28 08:56:00 - [62] Not noticed any major difference since the patch, mainly fly a nighthawk and i know that got an indirect buff from the patch. Corpmates that fly ravens, golems and CNR's have not expressed any issues.
Tippia Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.11.28 09:08:00 - [63] I'm sorry… Sometimes, a troll is just too god/awful not to respond to. Originally by: Zivoril Almost every single Caldari pilot now knows how - UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY USELESS MISSLES HAVE BECOME. […] I just flew a Rohk and got owned, by a drake? WTF! Ell Emm A Oh! Missiles are so bad that my turret battleship was killed by a missile battlecruiser! That's a compelling argument right there. Quote: Caldari pilots looked then realized! Regardless of your whine, Missles are all we have! Now, should we turn drones? Caldari pilots with a brain realised a long time ago that drones are a must, and as luck would have it, most Cally combat ships have ample room for drones. Oh, and the fact that you're claiming that "missiles are all we have" only shows that you are not a Caldari pilot — real Cally pilots know that half the Caldari ships are turret boats… including, and in particular, the Rokh. No sig for me, thankyouverymuch.
Lord Future Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:08:00 - [64] As a noob and a carebear, I have avoided writing in the forums as I feel my lack of experience would offend veteran players. I can no longer keep quiet. The OP is one of the latest sufferers of a contagious disease spreading throughout Eve Online called Caniculae Gannitus. The three main symptoms are... Ill-tempered utterances about how they can no longer make easy kills. Absolute refusal to adapt to the change in circumstances. Insistance that CPP should alter the game so that they have an overwhelming advantage over other players. This disease is often aggravated by replying to the patient's posts through the forum. Even if CPP totally revamped the game by giving all players exactly the same skill points and exactly the same ship (Size of a frigate, Speed 6000 m/s, Firepower/Tanking of a Sieged Dread and Webber/Bubble combo with a range of 1 AU), They would still whine because of the inability to rack up kills. As there is no cure, it is best we take these sufferers out to a field and put them out of their misery, thus improving the game for the players who understand that Eve is an unforgiving environment and if you can't play the cards your dealt, draw some more.
Jalif Scorpion's Sting	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:10:00 - [65] Missiles are just fine
Eran Laude Gallente The Aduro Protocol Doctrine.	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:15:00 - [66] Missiles are fine. I'm a Gallente bomber pilot FFS and there's very little difference pre and post QR. Also, learn to read ship bonuses. The Rokh is a Fleet Sniper, not a solowtfpwnbbq Missile BS. That's why you got owned when fitting cruise launchers. Finally, troll with your main, not your alt: 0/10
Jhagiti Tyran Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:16:00 - [67] I fly Caldari ships and use missiles and they are fine and in some circumstances they are better than they where before (ie T2 missiles are actually worth using and are very good now)
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:26:00 - [68] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 28/11/2008 11:28:42 Originally by: Zivoril Almost every single Caldari pilot now knows how - UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY USELESS MISSLES HAVE BECOME. Yes, Caps are more than needed! I just flew a Rohk and got owned, by a drake? WTF! NO, I will NOT- post the kill mail! I will state even the pilot of of the Drake admitted that-what CCP did is a horrible NERF- beyond any reasonable expectations~! What even worse is CCP now at this point knows it. What use to be an average Raven battleship with T2 is now the worst Battle ship in the game AND EVERY CALDARI PILOT KNOWS IT! I ponder does CCP even care? Will they fix what they have destroyed!@ Yes my indeed this post is the final CCP waKE UP! Ehem: "a Rohk" "missiles" "owned by a Drake" So if I get it right, you were using a unbonused weapon (missiles) on a BS and was destroyed by another missile firing BC with a missile bonus, and that is the prove that missiles are useless? To me it seem the prove that unbonused weapons are useless. Originally by: Zivoril Oh cough ok a Rokh, with 2 Hybrid and 4 T2 cruise is gay! I should now buY a drake? Guess fuking what? I will, and so will every single Caldari player- because BS are weak and the Drake is the Bomb? You and all who dont know What ccp did are as useless as CPP and have no idea what CCp destroyed- the Caldari BS!@ That is a total of 6 high slots, what are you doing with the other 2?
Bohoba Caldari HolyKnights	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:27:00 - [69] Originally by: Zivoril Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 01:42:37 Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 01:41:44 Almost every single Caldari pilot now knows how - UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY USELESS MISSLES HAVE BECOME. Yes, Caps are more than needed! I just flew a Rohk and got owned, by a drake? WTF! NO, I will NOT- post the kill mail! I will state even the pilot of of the Drake admitted that-what CCP did is a horrible NERF- beyond any reasonable expectations~! What even worse is CCP now at this point knows it. What use to be an average Raven battleship with T2 is now the worst Battle ship in the game AND EVERY CALDARI PILOT KNOWS IT! I ponder does CCP even care? Will they fix what they have destroyed!@ Yes my indeed this post is the final CCP waKE UP! Just do what I did started a new char and now my 70mill cald is mining in empire :) what a waste of 5 years ....................... 10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
Doomed Predator The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:30:00 - [70] I like my Cerberus and Nighthawk,don't really fly a raven since it's like a brick so I don't really care. What I would like to see is a collision system where guided missiles would avoid debris/friendly ships/non primary hostile ships at the expense of range and turret ships would have to either move so they could get a clear shot or waste XX% damage on debris/friendly ships/non primary hostile ships and thus gimping their dps. The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:32:00 - [71] Originally by: Doomed Predator I like my Cerberus and Nighthawk,don't really fly a raven since it's like a brick so I don't really care. What I would like to see is a collision system where guided missiles would avoid debris/friendly ships/non primary hostile ships at the expense of range and turret ships would have to either move so they could get a clear shot or waste XX% damage on debris/friendly ships/non primary hostile ships and thus gimping their dps. Used to be that way for missiles, they changed it because turrets didn't have to move.
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:34:00 - [72] Torps and HAMs are fine.
Phenomena X Galactic PeaceMaking Talon Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:35:00 - [73] HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!AHAHAH"QH"HQAAH"HQAHAHAHAHA MAn I love these threads! Pre-nerf you where all whining how ships out ran missiles and it's so broken.. NERF NANO'S!!! Thread after thread and the fix was this! You wanted the nerf, so live with it, or should I say... Adapt or die - lmao
manfrog Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:49:00 - [74] Originally by: Phenomena X HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!AHAHAH"QH"HQAAH"HQAHAHAHAHA MAn I love these threads! Pre-nerf you where all whining how ships out ran missiles and it's so broken.. NERF NANO'S!!! Thread after thread and the fix was this! You wanted the nerf, so live with it, or should I say... Adapt or die - lmao the problem is they didn't nerf nanos just rails and missles sure they slowed em down a bit but then they nurffed webbers also and all the needed tools to catch the nano*** so this was a Nano Boost thats all it was ........... WoW that way ------->>>>
KwaLevu Caldari SentBySatan	Posted - 2008.11.28 12:11:00 - [75] I'm not sure what he is on about I hit BS and BC and even Cruisers well. I had to admit to my corp mates that galente drones were better but other then that I have no problems with the Nerf if there was one. thats my 2 cents
Grarr Dexx Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.11.28 12:12:00 - [76] Originally by: manfrog Originally by: Phenomena X HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!AHAHAH"QH"HQAAH"HQAHAHAHAHA MAn I love these threads! Pre-nerf you where all whining how ships out ran missiles and it's so broken.. NERF NANO'S!!! Thread after thread and the fix was this! You wanted the nerf, so live with it, or should I say... Adapt or die - lmao the problem is they didn't nerf nanos just rails and missles sure they slowed em down a bit but then they nurffed webbers also and all the needed tools to catch the nano*** so this was a Nano Boost thats all it was Lol? -----
EnslaverOfMinmatar Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.11.28 12:15:00 - [77] u achuras shouldn't have whined about nano hehehehehe uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
Glengrant TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.11.28 13:02:00 - [78] OP confused me. He claims that missiles have become useless. And then he tells us that his Rokh got owned by a Drake - one of the most missilish of all missile boats. So I assume the Drake used missiles? Err - what? --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOOSER EVE TV- Bring it back!
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.28 13:05:00 - [79] Originally by: manfrog Originally by: Phenomena X HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!AHAHAH"QH"HQAAH"HQAHAHAHAHA MAn I love these threads! Pre-nerf you where all whining how ships out ran missiles and it's so broken.. NERF NANO'S!!! Thread after thread and the fix was this! You wanted the nerf, so live with it, or should I say... Adapt or die - lmao the problem is they didn't nerf nanos just rails and missles sure they slowed em down a bit but then they nurffed webbers also and all the needed tools to catch the nano*** so this was a Nano Boost thats all it was You were perhaps expecting that post-nerf, your missiles would always hit for ~full damage?
LordSwift INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.11.28 13:05:00 - [80] Originally by: Zivoril Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 01:42:37 Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 01:41:44 Almost every single Caldari pilot now knows how - UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY USELESS MISSLES HAVE BECOME. Yes, Caps are more than needed! I just flew a Rohk and got owned, by a drake? WTF! NO, I will NOT- post the kill mail! I will state even the pilot of of the Drake admitted that-what CCP did is a horrible NERF- beyond any reasonable expectations~! What even worse is CCP now at this point knows it. What use to be an average Raven battleship with T2 is now the worst Battle ship in the game AND EVERY CALDARI PILOT KNOWS IT! I ponder does CCP even care? Will they fix what they have destroyed!@ Yes my indeed this post is the final CCP waKE UP! No they are not worthless. I am doing fine on missions and 0.0 Battleship NPC's for Example : Killmail
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.28 13:08:00 - [81] My drake was equipped with the following: 250mm Mind bullets x6
Kyle Blade Kestrel Security Company	Posted - 2008.11.28 13:11:00 - [82] Oh noes!!! It now takes me four volleys to take down "Seven" Cruisers with the same set-up it took me three to take out pre-patch. Oh noes!!! I now drop light drones out on frigates when they get to me in exactly the same way as I did pre-patch. Oh noes!!! Sorry... I seem to have completely forgotten what I was going to whine about. Move along people. Nothing to see here. I'm using exactly the same set-up on my mission cruise Raven that I have been for at least a year, I'm not going to say that I haven't noticed any difference but missiles are far from broken. Invest the time in training Target Navigation Prediction and Guided Missile Precision - It's not Rocket Science (that's in the science group ).
TehEbil1	Posted - 2008.11.28 13:29:00 - [83] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfrTAt_m1po
Gankbear Amarr Gankbears	Posted - 2008.11.28 13:48:00 - [84] if caldari missiles are cruise how did you get pwned by a caldari missile boat in a caldari turret boat? becuase you are complete fail. with added fail sauce. Heres your solution: Go to program manager and select - uninstall - eve that should solve all yours (and ours listening to your noob drivel) problems. but anyway good luck in the failure to read the instructions competition. ----------------------------- Gankbears Sarcasm hits fail thread for 249 lolcatz causing it to be locked. CCP Mitnal laid the final blow.
Misina Arlath Amarr	Posted - 2008.11.28 14:06:00 - [85] Considering your constant mis-spelling... Originally by: Zivoril CCP- Caldari peeps unite! Missles are worthless! Originally by: Zivoril COMPLETELY USELESS MISSLES HAVE BECOME. Originally by: Zivoril is every Caldari pilot that flys a T2 Missle ships Originally by: Zivoril Hundred posts to CCP Mess up of the Missles! Originally by: Zivoril straight witness to the Missle Nerf! Originally by: Zivoril who dont fly missle ships Originally by: Zivoril 1)Fly a missle ship before the patch! Originally by: Zivoril Every -missle aspect up Originally by: Zivoril where even missle ship owners Originally by: Zivoril Those WHO say Missles Originally by: Zivoril Missles are all we have! Originally by: Zivoril Dont bother training missles Originally by: Zivoril why waste 10 mil SP on missles Originally by: Zivoril some of us like the missles Originally by: Zivoril reason I dunno mabye to use missles Originally by: Zivoril broke the missles Originally by: Zivoril look at all missles ... I can't for the life of me imagine how you're such a missile fanatic. Considering your strong point of view, I'd at least think you knew how to spell the topic properly. As for missiles, Caldari have been mission-kings for years. Stuff a sock in it and get used to running missions at a normal pace like everyone else. As for your PvP, you got owned by a missile boat, and complain about how bad missiles are? Your logic is flawed. Besides trolling, what were you talking about again? -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!"
Rachel Voegel	Posted - 2008.11.28 14:52:00 - [86] Originally by: Zivoril Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 01:42:37 Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 01:41:44 Almost every single Caldari pilot now knows how - UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY USELESS MISSLES HAVE BECOME. Yes, Caps are more than needed! I just flew a Rohk and got owned, by a drake? WTF! I'm confused - how can missiles be useless if you got owned by a missile boat ?
Zurrar Gallente Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.11.28 15:07:00 - [87] you haz issues dood- raven is a perfect torp boat, when ever i shoot a target i get top dmg (target has to be webbed and painted thats what mates are for!)
7Genius Gallente Damage Distribution Incorporated Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.28 15:21:00 - [88] BEST NERF EVER
Sonisha Minmatar Immortal Kings	Posted - 2008.11.28 15:22:00 - [89] Edited by: Sonisha on 28/11/2008 15:24:27 welcome to the caldari equivalent of the minmatar gun nerf a few years back where everything hit nothing even with max skills - feels your pain, i just dont sympathise
Kaar Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.11.28 15:29:00 - [90] Actually I've never used my raven/golem/cerb more than I am now, after this 'terrible' patch. Maybe you guys just suck? --- ---
Ana Vyr Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.11.28 15:42:00 - [91] I adapted to some degree. Put a target painter on my Caracal. Bought a Moa to compare the two. Seems like the same basic effectiveness except the Caracal can do it from greater ranges, which I expected. As a miner, primarily, I've been using t2 drones for a while...and those mess up frigates rather well. I never used to have to use them on my missle boat till now. Basically, though the Caracal is definitely less effective than it used to be in level 2 missions, it still can get the job done, it just requires a little more tactics from me.
Lord Makk Phaze-9 Fracture Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.28 15:47:00 - [92] Raven. 6x Siege II 1x Target Painter II 3 heavy web drones, combat drones or combination of painter drones and web drones. And ur in a world of hurt infront of torps still... The nerf is bad... web & paint it however.. problem solved, whats the problem? caldari now only has to do what every turret user has to... web it.. roflcopter at the rohk and cruise :p
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.28 15:50:00 - [93] Maybe I can't read here. But this thread is "hey missiles suck." and then the op is talking about his Rokh getting killed by a missile ship? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Lord Makk Phaze-9 Fracture Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.28 16:04:00 - [94] Perhaps he changed his mind half ways in his story :)
supr3m3justic3 Caldari Hakata Group Blade.	Posted - 2008.11.28 16:09:00 - [95] Edited by: supr3m3justic3 on 28/11/2008 16:09:56 Originally by: Lord Makk Raven. 6x Siege II 1x Target Painter II 3 heavy web drones, combat drones or combination of painter drones and web drones. And ur in a world of hurt infront of torps still... The nerf is bad... web & paint it however.. problem solved, whats the problem? caldari now only has to do what every turret user has to... web it.. roflcopter at the rohk and cruise :p So last time i checked, caldari still has to use there mid slots to tank(unlike everyone else). So when you say just throw 3 web drones, then you cant put any lights or mediums to kill frigs. And if you stack your mids with painters and webs you have no tank.... But everyone else can fit a full tank and have the support mods needed to get the job done....And i'm talking BS of course.....but i dont really give a ***, cause im training for amarr and lasers:) edited for grammer ____
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.11.28 16:21:00 - [96] Torp Raven needed its target painted to deal full damage to all BS before the patch. Torp Raven needed its target webbed to stop it getting away before the patch. OMG, nothing has actually changed.
supr3m3justic3 Caldari Hakata Group Blade.	Posted - 2008.11.28 16:31:00 - [97] Originally by: Gypsio III Torp Raven needed its target painted to deal full damage to all BS before the patch. Torp Raven needed its target webbed to stop it getting away before the patch. OMG, nothing has actually changed. I agree completly...i still have a web and a TP on my torpraven from before the patch. But You shouldnt have to completly stop and make a battleship the size of a carrier just to hit it. ____
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.11.28 16:43:00 - [98] Originally by: supr3m3justic3 Originally by: Lord Makk ... So last time i checked, caldari still has to use there mid slots to tank(unlike everyone else). So when you say just throw 3 web drones, then you cant put any lights or mediums to kill frigs. And if you stack your mids with painters and webs you have no tank.... But everyone else can fit a full tank and have the support mods needed to get the job done....And i'm talking BS of course.....but i dont really give a ***, cause im training for amarr and lasers:) edited for grammer ORLY? Last time I checked, armor tankers had to use their lowslots to tank. Guess where damage mods go? It's the same tradeoff regardless of which way you go. If you want to fit damage AND tackle on ANY ship you're going to have to sacrifice tank to do it. In PVP the only real difference this has made is that solo missile boats aren't as effective as they used to be. Given that the whole idea behind caldari ships is that they're better off in gang/fleet warfare sorta applies here. Have your tackler and any ship with free mids to toss a painter in there and your problem is solved, hell caldari ships now do BETTER in gang warfare if you've got someone with a painter or 2, since they now have increased damage on their tech II missiles (albeit at the expense of explosion radius). If you want to fly solo, go matari, or maybe gallente. They've both got ships that do this fairly well, but FFS stop complaining that your raven needs a painter, a ship that can be fit to have over 100k EHP and dish out 1k+ DPS damn well SHOULD need some support to hold stuff down. Oh and one last thing: If you're training amarr thinking that they're the solopwnmobile BSs, you're going to be sorely disappointed. Due to cap issues combined with slow-ass ships and a low number of mid slots they run into the same difficulties tackling as caldari ships do.
Blondieonsum Endless Opportunities	Posted - 2008.11.28 16:55:00 - [99] OP get a life! I fly ravens for a living! I still rock the pve world, which is what generally caldari are for, or as surport in fleets. You fail and so does your 2 mill sp in missiles. i trained gallente to pvp it's that which makes me cry !!
Kryttos Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.28 17:45:00 - [100] Originally by: Zivoril Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 02:17:45 Every Single Caldari Pilot, is ****ed off and a straight witness to the Missle Nerf! Whats worse, is Those who dont fly missle ships have a word to say! Those peoplewho dont fly Missle ships are Beyond rational thinking, for those who do. The proof is in the pudding! 1)Fly a missle ship before the patch! 2)Then fly the same ship in ANY SITUATION! You'll sonn realize CCP messed Every -missle aspect up---not only to factor beyond weakenss, But to a point where even missle ship owners are asking WTF HAPPENED:?> Im a caldari pilot, and im having no problems. Train up missile skills more and FFS get a target painter.
Core Researcher	Posted - 2008.11.28 17:58:00 - [101] Someone really needs to go to the killboards and check all these pilots that claim to be missile pilots out, lots and lots of BS itt. Missiles are broken.
Lord Makk Phaze-9 Fracture Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.28 17:59:00 - [102] Well seriously.. hardly any ships are universal. U can fit all ships in a variety of ways. By using a TP and a scrambler. not too much of caldari tanks are sacrificed. But I guess those whining are thinking of their oh so lovely missions? 2x web drones and u can still have 5x lights on board (raven). not like the heavy web drones are gonna catch anything but battleships.. But a battleship is really cut out to fight another battleship isn't it?
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.11.28 18:05:00 - [103] Originally by: Core Researcher Someone really needs to go to the killboards and check all these pilots that claim to be missile pilots out, lots and lots of BS itt. Missiles are broken. Hmmm right, I'd better go and delete the killmail of that ABing Zealot that my Drake killed... while I was taking sentry fire... and after starting at half shield. And the Claw that died in 4 AML volleys, for that matter. I can't wait until QR is reversed and my (non-precision light) missiles can't damage anything faster than 4 km/s! Those were surely the glory days of missiles...
Khamal Jolstien Caldari Product Number 3	Posted - 2008.11.28 18:52:00 - [104] Originally by: Gypsio III Originally by: Core Researcher Someone really needs to go to the killboards and check all these pilots that claim to be missile pilots out, lots and lots of BS itt. Missiles are broken. Hmmm right, I'd better go and delete the killmail of that ABing Zealot that my Drake killed... while I was taking sentry fire... and after starting at half shield. And the Claw that died in 4 AML volleys, for that matter. I can't wait until QR is reversed and my (non-precision light) missiles can't damage anything faster than 4 km/s! Those were surely the glory days of missiles... Your precision lights must have been pretty fail then. It wasn't until things were traveling 6 or 7km/s that they stopped doing damage. Don't want Pre-QR, but the game is certainly still not very fun. Scale back the nano changes, make missiles useful again, and people will stop whining.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.11.28 20:01:00 - [105] Try reading the Precision Light reference again, Khamal.
Vaugue Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 21:35:00 - [106] Edited by: Vaugue on 28/11/2008 21:37:44 Eventually Caldari missile pilots will not have a tank considering all the mods to compensate (nerfs) take mid slots. Reduced to paper plating for shielding to maintain what sub par dps we had. I'm not having as much issues with heavies, but eventually I will probably have to train another race of ships to be competetive. Have only been mission whoring since my return, but can really see the lack of dps if i were to be firing on another player. Shame too. Caldari frigate, cruiser, battleship all at 5. At least BattleCruiser and CommandShip is a race wide skill (aside from prequisites), considering i have 5 in both of them. My turret and laser skills have nothing in them though lol. Watched some absolution videos in the last few days. Ahh the joys of being able to tackle, tank, and maintain decent dps must be nice.
SheriffFruitfly Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 21:40:00 - [107] It's kind of funny, actually: 1) Caldari is the most common race in eve. 2) Caldari has always been relatively weak at pvp. 3) CCP wants to encourage more pvp. 4) CCP repeatedly nerfs caldari pvp. Are there wookies on endor? 'Cuz that just don't make no sense! rofl. __________________________________________________________
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.11.28 21:51:00 - [108] Originally by: Core Researcher Someone really needs to go to the killboards and check all these pilots that claim to be missile pilots out, lots and lots of BS itt. Missiles are broken. http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11797 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11799 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11793 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11792 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11790 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11742 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11723 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11719 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11724 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11732 Just a small collection of post patch KMs from a Raven pilot. I've been slacking and haven't PVPed as much as I'd have liked - I'm sure there are plenty out there with much much more. As Gypsio said - needed the target webbed and painted before - still do after QR patch. Still doing damage like I have since the torp buff. Also I can't tell if the OP is a troll or if he just is ignorant of the basic workings of this game. Guess that makes it a good troll if it is one. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.28 21:55:00 - [109] Originally by: Gorefacer Word It's pretty funny that those have a missile boat as the top damage dealer. Apparently everyone having trouble with missiles fails at life.
Adaris E X I U S	Posted - 2008.11.28 21:55:00 - [110] This one time, at band camp, I heard that Caldari can also use Railguns. ******* I speak on behalf of every corporation.
Tippia Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.11.28 22:01:00 - [111] Originally by: Adaris This one time, at band camp, I heard that Caldari can also use Railguns. Pff! As if nearly half the ships are anything to go by! You're just nuts! No sig for me, thankyouverymuch.
Exlegion New Light	Posted - 2008.11.28 22:41:00 - [112] Can't speak for the rest but, the Fury Golem is pure SEX. . I absolutely love it. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.11.28 22:48:00 - [113] Originally by: SheriffFruitfly It's kind of funny, actually: 1) Caldari is the most common race in eve. 2) Caldari has always been relatively weak at pvp. 3) CCP wants to encourage more pvp. 4) CCP repeatedly nerfs caldari pvp. Are there wookies on endor? 'Cuz that just don't make no sense! rofl. The crux of the matter. I would be very interested in a CCP response to this statement assuming they aren't ignoring all the missile threads. And no more semi plausible lies please.
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.28 22:51:00 - [114] Originally by: 5pinDizzy The crux of the matter. I would be very interested in a CCP response to this statement assuming they aren't ignoring all the missile threads. And no more semi plausible lies please. You're right, they never tested the changes before they made them.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.28 22:55:00 - [115] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Originally by: SheriffFruitfly It's kind of funny, actually: 1) Caldari is the most common race in eve. 2) Caldari has always been relatively weak at pvp. 3) CCP wants to encourage more pvp. 4) CCP repeatedly nerfs caldari pvp. Are there wookies on endor? 'Cuz that just don't make no sense! rofl. The crux of the matter. I would be very interested in a CCP response to this statement assuming they aren't ignoring all the missile threads. And no more semi plausible lies please. I'm assuming they wouldn't put it this way, but it would have something to do with you, and likely being an idiot. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
manfrog Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.11.28 22:57:00 - [116] Originally by: Gorefacer Originally by: Core Researcher Someone really needs to go to the killboards and check all these pilots that claim to be missile pilots out, lots and lots of BS itt. Missiles are broken. http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11797 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11799 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11793 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11792 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11790 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11742 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11723 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11719 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11724 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11732 Just a small collection of post patch KMs from a Raven pilot. I've been slacking and haven't PVPed as much as I'd have liked - I'm sure there are plenty out there with much much more. As Gypsio said - needed the target webbed and painted before - still do after QR patch. Still doing damage like I have since the torp buff. Also I can't tell if the OP is a troll or if he just is ignorant of the basic workings of this game. Guess that makes it a good troll if it is one. lol I have plenty of KM's too but take that raven to a 1 vs 1 have fun... tip don't use what you can't replace :) heck watch 2 intys take you down in 10 min while you sit there un able to do any damage watching your torps just chase em around lol to funny ........... WoW that way ------->>>>
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.28 23:00:00 - [117] Originally by: manfrog heck watch 2 intys take you down in 10 min while you sit there un able to do any damage watching your torps just chase em around lol to funny We all know that if you gave the ship turrets that would NEVER happen. All Turret Battleships are inty killers. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.11.28 23:03:00 - [118] Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 28/11/2008 23:03:04 Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: 5pinDizzy Originally by: SheriffFruitfly It's kind of funny, actually: 1) Caldari is the most common race in eve. 2) Caldari has always been relatively weak at pvp. 3) CCP wants to encourage more pvp. 4) CCP repeatedly nerfs caldari pvp. Are there wookies on endor? 'Cuz that just don't make no sense! rofl. The crux of the matter. I would be very interested in a CCP response to this statement assuming they aren't ignoring all the missile threads. And no more semi plausible lies please. I'm assuming they wouldn't put it this way, but it would have something to do with you, and likely being an idiot. NO U!!1 Trying to have a discussion here.
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.28 23:05:00 - [119] Originally by: 5pinDizzy NO U!!1 Trying to have a discussion here. Then maybe you should listen to the other side.
TheStarman Caldari Deep Space Ventures	Posted - 2008.11.28 23:06:00 - [120] I'm on sisi right now. Using a rokh, neutrons, a web, light drones, a Tech 2 afterburner, and light drones, and ratting more effectively than ever. Adapt or die plz. Just because you have missile skills doesn't mean you can't train for a Ferox or Rokh.
manfrog Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.11.28 23:11:00 - [121] Originally by: TheStarman I'm on sisi right now. Using a rokh, neutrons, a web, light drones, a Tech 2 afterburner, and light drones, and ratting more effectively than ever. Adapt or die plz. Just because you have missile skills doesn't mean you can't train for a Ferox or Rokh. a frigit can do lvl 4 missions that is not the problem it is PVP anything can run missions ........... WoW that way ------->>>>
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2008.11.28 23:13:00 - [122] Edited by: Pohbis on 28/11/2008 23:14:55 Originally by: Cambarus Given that the whole idea behind caldari ships is that they're better off in gang/fleet warfare sorta applies here. There is no such grand idea behind Caldari, Caldari were shoehorned into that box because solo PvP requires midslots for tackle/web/speed and Caldari lack midslots due to their shield tanking. There's a world of difference between having to sacrifice stacking nerfed damage mods in the lows because of armor tanking, and having to sacrifice tanking slots. A single missing tanking slot can break a setup. A missing damage mod slot is a lot less damaging to a setup, even less so because of diminishing returns on damage mods. Tackle+EW+Tanking+Speed all in the mids is a nightmare for Caldari. Claiming that a 3rd or 4th damage mod in the lows makes up for that is laughable at best. Ignorant and trolling at worst. I'm indifferent to the changes really, solo and PVP didn't mix that well with Caldari before QR, and doesn't mix that well after QR. A few ships are capable of it under the right conditions... but that statement was just too absurd not to rain on.
Irida Mershkov Gallente El Bastardos EVESpace	Posted - 2008.11.28 23:25:00 - [123] Originally by: TheStarman rokh You got your Rokh back then? OP? Learn to adapt you whining little *got. Missiles are fine, and now have to face reality that turret users have to do every day in PvP. Think. The good missile pilots are still wtfpwning, the crap ones are whining that they can't go: "omg luk LOL iw iped ot that frig in one v0lley i mst b so hardcre!11one*gotry"
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.28 23:46:00 - [124] Originally by: manfrog Originally by: TheStarman I'm on sisi right now. Using a rokh, neutrons, a web, light drones, a Tech 2 afterburner, and light drones, and ratting more effectively than ever. Adapt or die plz. Just because you have missile skills doesn't mean you can't train for a Ferox or Rokh. a frigit can do lvl 4 missions that is not the problem it is PVP anything can run missions Explain how Caldari was nerfed in pvp, with detailed arguments please.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.28 23:59:00 - [125] Originally by: Pohbis Edited by: Pohbis on 28/11/2008 23:20:53 Originally by: Cambarus Given that the whole idea behind caldari ships is that they're better off in gang/fleet warfare sorta applies here. There is no such grand idea behind Caldari, Caldari were shoehorned into that box because solo PvP requires midslots for tackle/web/speed and Caldari lack midslots due to their shield tanking. There's a world of difference between having to sacrifice stacking nerfed damage mods in the lows because of armor tanking, and having to sacrifice tanking slots. A single missing tanking slot can break a setup. A missing damage mod slot is a lot less damaging to a setup, even less so because of diminishing returns on damage mods. Tackle+Tanking+Speed all in the mids is a nightmare for Caldari. Claiming that a 3rd or 4th damage mod in the lows makes up for that is laughable at best. Ignorant and trolling at worst. I'm indifferent to the changes really, solo and PVP didn't mix that well with Caldari before QR, and doesn't mix that well after QR. A few ships are capable of it under the right conditions... but that statement was just too absurd not to rain on. It's kinda like how armor tankers have to choose between tank or damage mods. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.11.29 00:03:00 - [126] Originally by: Karille Originally by: 5pinDizzy NO U!!1 Trying to have a discussion here. Then maybe you should listen to the other side. What other side? "Use railguns instead!"? "Don't use missiles at all!"? "They are fine because I have stuck 5 target painters on and they work fine!"? Look at the consensus on the forums. Everyone agrees Caldari can have some horrible disadvantages in PVP. Now a long overdue PVE nerf has inevitably translated over to a further PVP nerf. Not everything they changed is bad but Stealth Bombers were made BROKEN. So what if they tested it before? They've got several thousand testing it now. But I guess you're right, CCP tested it, they are perfect and never have bugs and imbalances, especially after 5 years right?
TheStarman Caldari Deep Space Ventures	Posted - 2008.11.29 00:04:00 - [127] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: TheStarman rokh You got your Rokh back then? OP? Learn to adapt you whining little *got. Missiles are fine, and now have to face reality that turret users have to do every day in PvP. Think. The good missile pilots are still wtfpwning, the crap ones are whining that they can't go: "omg luk LOL iw iped ot that frig in one v0lley i mst b so hardcre!11one*gotry" I actually logged on to a fitted rokh. It was the day before I lost my last one actually.
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2008.11.29 00:05:00 - [128] Edited by: Pohbis on 29/11/2008 00:06:07 Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Pohbis Edited by: Pohbis on 28/11/2008 23:20:53 Originally by: Cambarus Given that the whole idea behind caldari ships is that they're better off in gang/fleet warfare sorta applies here. There is no such grand idea behind Caldari, Caldari were shoehorned into that box because solo PvP requires midslots for tackle/web/speed and Caldari lack midslots due to their shield tanking. There's a world of difference between having to sacrifice stacking nerfed damage mods in the lows because of armor tanking, and having to sacrifice tanking slots. A single missing tanking slot can break a setup. A missing damage mod slot is a lot less damaging to a setup, even less so because of diminishing returns on damage mods. Tackle+Tanking+Speed all in the mids is a nightmare for Caldari. Claiming that a 3rd or 4th damage mod in the lows makes up for that is laughable at best. Ignorant and trolling at worst. I'm indifferent to the changes really, solo and PVP didn't mix that well with Caldari before QR, and doesn't mix that well after QR. A few ships are capable of it under the right conditions... but that statement was just too absurd not to rain on. It's kinda like how armor tankers have to choose between tank or damage mods. [Post] . . [Your head] There, bolded the part your should try and comprehend. If you want to skim and post a one-liner, please make it funny, or at least relevant.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.29 00:07:00 - [129] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 29/11/2008 00:08:57 Originally by: Pohbis Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Pohbis Edited by: Pohbis on 28/11/2008 23:20:53 Originally by: Cambarus Given that the whole idea behind caldari ships is that they're better off in gang/fleet warfare sorta applies here. There is no such grand idea behind Caldari, Caldari were shoehorned into that box because solo PvP requires midslots for tackle/web/speed and Caldari lack midslots due to their shield tanking. There's a world of difference between having to sacrifice stacking nerfed damage mods in the lows because of armor tanking, and having to sacrifice tanking slots. A single missing tanking slot can break a setup. A missing damage mod slot is a lot less damaging to a setup, even less so because of diminishing returns on damage mods. Tackle+Tanking+Speed all in the mids is a nightmare for Caldari. Claiming that a 3rd or 4th damage mod in the lows makes up for that is laughable at best. Ignorant and trolling at worst. I'm indifferent to the changes really, solo and PVP didn't mix that well with Caldari before QR, and doesn't mix that well after QR. A few ships are capable of it under the right conditions... but that statement was just too absurd not to rain on. It's kinda like how armor tankers have to choose between tank or damage mods. [Post] . . [Your head] There, bolded the part your should try and comprehend. If you want to skim and post a one-liner, please make it funny, or at least relevant. That's because your post is incredibly stupid. How about you learn how to make a ship where one module doesn't make or break your entire ship? Now, since apparently you are too stupid to actually understand, I'm gonna put it in one sentence for you: All the tackling and tanking in the world won't help you if you can't put out the DPS to kill what you're fighting. What are you going to do? Bore him to death until he Ctrl+Qs while scrammed and all his modules turn off? Perhaps next you should follow up with a whine about how capitals can't use gates, or there are no bubbles in empire. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.11.29 00:10:00 - [130] Originally by: Zivoril Remember those who say all is fine are a Minority! Those WHO say Missles were destroyed are a MAJORITY! just another part of the 'minority' that thinks missiles are better now o/ -- i am a humble and inefficient ammo to dps converter
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2008.11.29 00:14:00 - [131] Edited by: Pohbis on 29/11/2008 00:14:03 Originally by: An Anarchyyt All the tackling and tanking in the world won't help you if you can't put out the DPS to kill what you're fighting. Yeah, a bit of insults and a naive comeback. Doing your ticker proud. Have fun bringing down the hurt in your +10% dmg ship while your target can web and scram you, or, decide to disengage at will.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.29 00:16:00 - [132] Originally by: Pohbis Edited by: Pohbis on 29/11/2008 00:14:03 Originally by: An Anarchyyt All the tackling and tanking in the world won't help you if you can't put out the DPS to kill what you're fighting. Yeah, a bit of insults and a naive comeback. Doing your ticker proud. Have fun bringing down the hurt in your +10% dmg ship while your target can web and scram you, or, decide to disengage at will. Everyone knows Goons can't win a fight, in fact, just the other day all our ships were destroyed, being picked off by the enemy at will, while we killed no more than a single cruiser. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.11.29 01:14:00 - [133] Originally by: manfrog Originally by: Gorefacer Originally by: Core Researcher Someone really needs to go to the killboards and check all these pilots that claim to be missile pilots out, lots and lots of BS itt. Missiles are broken. http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11797 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11799 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11793 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11792 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11790 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11742 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11723 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11719 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11724 http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11732 Just a small collection of post patch KMs from a Raven pilot. I've been slacking and haven't PVPed as much as I'd have liked - I'm sure there are plenty out there with much much more. As Gypsio said - needed the target webbed and painted before - still do after QR patch. Still doing damage like I have since the torp buff. Also I can't tell if the OP is a troll or if he just is ignorant of the basic workings of this game. Guess that makes it a good troll if it is one. lol I have plenty of KM's too but take that raven to a 1 vs 1 have fun... tip don't use what you can't replace :) heck watch 2 intys take you down in 10 min while you sit there un able to do any damage watching your torps just chase em around lol to funny My Ravens cost about as much to replace as a stealth bomber. I can and do replace them all the time. I don't 1 vs 1 in my Raven and didn't before QR patch either. Inty's may be able to do that if they catch me solo, although last time I did get caught by one 1 on 1. I heavy neuted him and hit him with 5x warrior IIs. He warped off and I continued on my way. I don't fly the Raven with torps to kill intys. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.29 02:40:00 - [134] wait is the op still blabbering on if you dont like it dont get hit by the nightelf on the way out !!!!
Elise Randolph Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.11.29 02:41:00 - [135] It's me, I'm the Drake in the OP. ----------
Montross 0	Posted - 2008.11.29 02:44:00 - [136] Lol. Fail.
scorp3	Posted - 2008.11.29 03:52:00 - [137] I have one question to the large gun users...Rails ect. Are you guys still insta popping frigs in missions.
D'ceet Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.29 04:18:00 - [138] the only bad thing is i have to use more missiles to kill rats. not a big deal tbh. Originally by: Popperr I resent the insinuation that we have intelligence, artificial or otherwise.
Y Berion Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.29 05:33:00 - [139] Originally by: Armoured C payback is a biatch , enjoy your nano nerf you lazy caldari scumbags
ShadowGod56	Posted - 2008.11.29 05:56:00 - [140] the OP isn't even Caldari and he try to be our voice GTFO you tweeker
Shogun Archer Gallente Brotherhood of Soban	Posted - 2008.11.29 06:11:00 - [141] Edited by: Shogun Archer on 29/11/2008 06:12:17 OP reminds me of this guy. Mr. Furious... He's a super hero that gets ANGRY, then nothing happens. Linkage
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.11.29 06:59:00 - [142] Originally by: Pohbis Originally by: Cambarus ... There is no such grand idea behind Caldari, Caldari were shoehorned into that box because solo PvP requires midslots for tackle/web/speed and Caldari lack midslots due to their shield tanking. Tackle+Tanking+Speed all in the mids is a nightmare for Caldari. Claiming that a 3rd or 4th damage mod in the lows makes up for that is laughable at best. Ignorant and trolling at worst. I'm indifferent to the changes really, solo and PVP didn't mix that well with Caldari before QR, and doesn't mix that well after QR. A few ships are capable of it under the right conditions... but that statement was just too absurd not to rain on. Caldari were "shoehorned" into that position because most of their ships perform well at what they do, but lack the versatility needed to gank,tank and tackle at the same time. It's most definitely a fair tradeoff, and giving caldari the ability to tackle and tank would make them immensely overpowered. Some examples (I'll only mention missiles here): Raven: Puts out equal DPS to a megathron, at greater range with an equal buffer, AND it has utility slots, but it needs a buddy to tackle. ONOES! Rook/falcon: Neither of these ships have ANY solo-pvp viability. That means they're useless, right? Right? TBH I'm not familiar enough with the cerb to comment on it, in solo or small gang pvp. Quote: Tackle+Tanking+Speed all in the mids is a nightmare for Caldari. Claiming that a 3rd or 4th damage mod in the lows makes up for that is laughable at best. Ignorant and trolling at worst. Tackle+tanking+speed is not what caldari ships are built to do. Don't believe me? The proof is in the freaking slot layouts. The role you say caldari ships got forced into by the players I say was the design philosophy of the devs, and while there are certain aspects of caldari that I would like to see buffed, that most certainly does NOT mean that caldari should be made into a clone of gallente/amarr/matari. You want to rally for something? Bug CCP to up the damage of HAMs and rockets to blaster levels, equal DPS at greater ranges but the need for someone else to tackle sounds awesome to me. And as for one or 2 extra damage mods making a big difference goes, when a ship is built with the glass cannon philosophy it DOES make a difference, especially for ships like the deimos and astarte. And while I'm on that subject: Fix Blasters. You wanna whine about a whole weapon system being broken? ALL of the gallente blaster boats are in dire need of some loving. After the speed nerf the glass cannons that are the deimos, astarte and even the megathron took HUGE hits in their effectiveness. You know why so few are complaining? Because the nerf doesn't show up as a number on eft. Navy mega STILL costs less then the CNR (though the price gap has closed a bit). Why do you think that is? QQ Caldari missile whiners, this is the first real nerf you've felt in years. The Gallente have been dealing with several severe nerfs for almost 2 years now, and the amarr before that. The minmatar have been dealing with nerfs this whole time and you don't see them complain nearly as much If missiles in their current state bother you that much, train something else (putting all of your eggs in one basket is bad mmkay?), and if the thought of training something else bothers you that much, quit. Will missiles get buffed? Yes, eventually. Until then either learn to use missiles the way they're currently intended to be used (with friends) or use something else. Gah now I've gone off and spent the last god knows how long ranting I'm going to bed, there are several reasons for which I might be inclined to stay up past 2 in the morning, but arguing with people over the internet most certainly is not one of them.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.29 07:23:00 - [143] Originally by: ShadowGod56 the OP isn't even Caldari and he try to be our voice GTFO you tweeker Well, I am Caldari, and some of the missile classes do suck for PvP. But that's ok, I trained lasers!
SSgt Sniper Gallente MAIDS	Posted - 2008.11.29 07:40:00 - [144] it's probably been said to death at this point but: When you're flying a ship with turret bonuses, shouldn't you you know, use turrets? ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.Poor PR in progress!
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.29 07:42:00 - [145] Originally by: SSgt Sniper it's probably been said to death at this point but: When you're flying a ship with turret bonuses, shouldn't you you know, use turrets? Yes. Of course, some ships have no bonuses to turret OR missiles. Not that that's really relevant. Oh, and sometimes the drawbacks of the weapon the ship is meant for make using a different system better. There are caveats to everything, I guess.
Senmia Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.11.29 07:49:00 - [146] Originally by: scorp3 I have one question to the large gun users...Rails ect. Are you guys still insta popping frigs in missions. Yes. Sometimes. When their transversal is low enough.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.29 07:53:00 - [147] Originally by: Senmia Originally by: scorp3 I have one question to the large gun users...Rails ect. Are you guys still insta popping frigs in missions. Yes. Sometimes. When their transversal is low enough. As a laser guy, the answer is an unqualified "yes". Train laserz!
manfrog Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.11.29 08:04:00 - [148] Edited by: manfrog on 29/11/2008 08:14:56 Edited by: manfrog on 29/11/2008 08:14:10 07:59:59 Combat Your Juggernaut Javelin Torpedo hits Riffter , doing 4.9 damage. oh what a joke this is 20 * 6 120 torps and never hit armor what a joke and I had not rist mods on just a civ shild booster a rail boat would have insta poped it for sure lol ........... WoW that way ------->>>>
Furb Killer Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.11.29 08:27:00 - [149] A railboat can instapop frigs which are far away. Close range they will do 0.0 damage to frigs. If they arent moving like 90% of the raven pilots, they also will do barely dps to orbitting cruisers. --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Sonisha Minmatar Immortal Kings	Posted - 2008.11.29 14:45:00 - [150] Basically, Adapt. When minmatar guns were nerfed beyond use, changed to lasers, and hybrids. When missiles were good, trained up all missiles. Learn to use others, that way you Always have another choice. Simple.
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2008.11.29 15:38:00 - [151] Originally by: Cambarus If missiles in their current state bother you that much, train something else (putting all of your eggs in one basket is bad mmkay?), and if the thought of training something else bothers you that much, quit. Nowhere did I complain about missiles. My post is valid if flying a Caldari railboat or a missileboat. I said the Devs in their infinite wisdom did not know when they came up with shield tanking and armor tanking and the slot distribution that;"These are Caldari ships. They shall be fleet ships, since 4 years from now, solo PvP will require midslots for something else than tank."
Lea Re Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.11.29 17:44:00 - [152] missiles are good. thats all from me as a caldari pilot now move on with your lives
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.29 18:29:00 - [153] rockets do still suck though
Tal Kjelthorne Kjelthorne Industries	Posted - 2008.11.29 21:19:00 - [154] Originally by: Grave Tidings Amazing. I've been using my cruise missiles rather successfully today at exactly what they were meant for - cruisers and battleships. Amazingly, the drones are still quite good at taking down frigs! Holy crap, a tool for the job. Using cruise missiles against frigates has always been like cutting jello with a hammer. I LOL'd. I'm imagining a three pound sledge and a pyrex bowl and some guy in a lab coat trying it out. You are, of course, correct. This nerf has made small ships viable again, something that for a year now has been laughable in many PVP scenarios. Cruise missiles shouldn't be hitting frigates (and light drones!?) pretty much ever unless they're stopped. I'm glad for the changes as unlike guns, missiles never miss. It always bothered me. My wife still uses her Cruise Raven and utterly rampages the BC's/BS's in missions and I in my Ishkur bring down the frigates and cruisers like there's no tomorrow, allowing her to do her work with the big guns. I guess teamwork is a thing of the past, though. /silly me
Human Pequino	Posted - 2008.11.29 21:47:00 - [155] While I agree that they went to far with missles, if you lost a Rokh to a drake, you have much bigger problems.
OffBeaT	Posted - 2008.11.30 00:52:00 - [156] yea, ill just do that... Use PWNAGE target painters 2) Use webbers 3) Next time you're out in your TURRET ship, fit TURRETS instead of MISSILES what good is a web gona do on a raven! i just parked the dame thing its just a death trap solo in these day. i npc in a steath bomber these days it cost less & can kill high end rats.. a raven is too much a sitting duck solo these days to risk vs cost to setup.
Iria Alexandra	Posted - 2008.11.30 01:24:00 - [157] scissors are fine, paper needs nerfing -Rock
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.30 02:01:00 - [158] Originally by: D'ceet the only bad thing is i have to use more missiles to kill rats. not a big deal tbh. how did you get the cooler sticky out sig ? O_O me want and sup
Lord Zap Caldari Retrofitted Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:40:00 - [159] Train Amarr
Nick Curso Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.30 03:45:00 - [160] Originally by: Lord Zap Train Amarr Deja'vu
Marius Nervosu Caldari Black Straw	Posted - 2008.11.30 17:19:00 - [161] Caldari ships are the best ship in pvp, especially for solo pvp. Let's see a few ships and shield fit for pvp with the nerf for raven. 1 painter 1 disruptor/scram 1 mdw/aft 1 sensor booster 2 slot's left for thank. More that enough. Falcon now. Very good one. What can i kill with 2 launcher's ? noob ship ? Pod ? I like it... Crow ? Solo pvp ? Yea versus pod/noob ship/ceptors.... So i will train another race and gunnery...The game will be nicer in a year or so. I have wasted my time to train 9mil in missile's.
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.11.30 17:48:00 - [162] so wait a min, you flew around the only caldari turret BS, fitted it with missiles and you suck? yes thats right, you do indeed suc. Missiles have changed behaviour, you need to max your target painting skills (note there are 2 main skills for the painters 1 for useage and cap use, the other increases effectivness - not counting normal ew skills), and the missiles skills, most namely Target Navigation prediction, and guided missile precision. once they are out of the way, warhead upgrade. thats right dude, you can no longer perform decently with cruise missiles 2 and f* all support skills. whoopde doo. adapt or die. and for what its worth, ive been flying various caldari ships since day 1 and they are just fine, slightly nerfed, but its not like any turret based ship that was reliant on webs aint been nerfed as well. grow up. - DAMT - If you dont know, well, you dont know!
KingDiomedes Caldari Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.30 19:52:00 - [163] even with high skills in missiles and tp missiles still suck big time yes they might hit the target put with all the power of a floppy hand shake, i have to agree u suck for fitting launchers on a rokh silly dummy and to lose against a drake which has rubbish dps you must have used big bags for defense
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.30 19:55:00 - [164] Originally by: KingDiomedes even with high skills in missiles and tp missiles still suck big time yes they might hit the target put with all the power of a floppy hand shake, i have to agree u suck for fitting launchers on a rokh silly dummy and to lose against a drake which has rubbish dps you must have used big bags for defense he appreantly used tears from everyone upsetness with missiles .... so that why he failed because not everyone is crying

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