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Aturayd The Zoo Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:29:00 - [1] This is an issue that has really been getting on mine and my corp mates nerves lately. Most of us run 2 or more accounts at the same time. If one is docked or sitting in space idle for 5 minutes or less they time out and crash. Worse still, I had my character open a cynosural field and he timed out while sitting there waiting for the cycle to end. This is beyond stupid and pointless. Im supposed to be paying attention to each screen every 30 seconds opening mail and asset windows to keep activity registered so it doesnt crash?? Please get rid of these lame timeouts! A friend of mine was running 5 accounts at once and when he gang warped them, they would all lose connection. The problem seems to get worse the more accounts you run at once. I am afraid to run missions with two accounts because one might time out and i might not notice it. While i paused from EVE to write this message, my account timed out and crashed. Im not surprised. ----------------------------------- about:blank
Epegi Givo Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:31:00 - [2] Edited by: Epegi Givo on 28/11/2008 03:31:49 your account times out if you are AFK? Oh and, how do you know that EVE crashed when you paused to write this message without editing your main post yet? because you must have figured out that EVE crashed after you POSTED the message ------------------------------------- Originally by: Karrade Krise Originally by: Epegi Givo This is my sig, or is it? Now the only thing I can think of are Yard Gnome Ninjas...
Aturayd The Zoo Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:36:00 - [3] Yes they time out in about 5 minutes. ----------------------------------- about:blank
Dark 'Shadow Shadow Fire Industries	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:39:00 - [4] Originally by: Aturayd Yes they time out in about 5 minutes. Not for me
Saju Somtaaw Gallente Department of Defence	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:47:00 - [5] No timeouts here either, maybe it's you and your corpies computers? Two out of approx 250k is coincidence. ---- --- --- Devs Sign Here; GMs and ISD welcome to :)
Eomar Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.11.28 03:54:00 - [6] gotta say, ive frequently sat afk or tabbed out doing other things with 2 accounts online and not noticed any kind of timeouts. Sometimes it does drop out one or both clients, very rare tho, and I normally attribute it to the network rather than eve. ...in accordance with the prophecy
DreadedHunter Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.28 04:03:00 - [7] I spend hours at a time with a second account logged in and a char cloaked up off station without a 'timeout'. It's not a game dynamic thats logging you out... more likely an issue with persistent network connections or alike.
Jargen Zilch	Posted - 2008.11.28 04:36:00 - [8] Quote: The problem seems to get worse the more accounts you run at once. You highlight the prime symptom of the issue at hand: Client side connection. For your friend, I suggest him to upgrade his connections upstream bandwidth. The issue you face is most likely modem disconnections or aggressive isp 'traffic shaping'. For example I've had consistent problems running an RDP connection between my home server and a computer running through an AT&T DSL line. (assuming you have windows) To test your connection, open up a command prompt through the run command ( type 'cmd' in the box) and run a ping command to the eve website "ping 87.237.39.199 -t". the text output should look like this: Pinging 87.237.39.199 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 87.237.39.199: bytes=32 time=291ms TTL=115 Reply from 87.237.39.199: bytes=32 time=269ms TTL=115 The signs of a bad connection will give you timed out packets: Request timed out. Run this test and see if this clarifies your situation.
Nikla Uthaan	Posted - 2008.11.28 04:41:00 - [9] Quote: they time out in about 5 minutes. I had this issue and tbh, it wasn't a problem on CCPs end. To mine for prolonged time i had to sit at the keyboard and type "ping" in a chat window to myself every 30 seconds. I cannot remember the exact solution, between solutions we bought new network gear, other people moved out,, eventually I think it was an issue with our proxy server. Either way we simplified our network setup, got a new ISP and everything was peaches. No, not suggesting you do the same, but simply pointing out this problems come up for someone else and it wasnt a CCP issue.
Aturayd The Zoo Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.11.28 05:20:00 - [10] Its not just me though. Its other members of my corp who live all over the place.. different countries even. Its not my home connection either.. i will be running 1 client of EVE and not paying attention to the other thats logged in, docked or whatever.. and it will crash when i go back to it. Another time i was sitting in space at a stargate cloaked waiting for someone to come through and i didnt even know that my client had crashed. This is dangerous stuff.. i dont even want to do anything that isnt highly involving for fear of crashing. Doesnt matter if im in space, docked, cloaked, running 1 or 2 accounts. It times out and crashes like crazy from inactivity. ----------------------------------- about:blank

FunzzeR Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.11.28 06:56:00 - [11] Never had a time out here, and I tend to afk for hours sometimes. Must be something on your end....
Ambo State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.11.28 06:57:00 - [12] I've been playing Eve and gone off to the cinema or for a night at the pub before. I'll come back, hours later and the client will still be connected and running fine. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Rajah Cudlar Federation Scrap Dealers	Posted - 2008.11.28 07:00:00 - [13] Just open the help channel in the client or any channel that has a constant flow of chat. Leave that open, minimized is ok. This may be all you need to keep your client connected. If you don't do anything and the server doesn't have any updates to send you then the connection will close eventually on many systems.
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.11.28 07:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Aturayd they time out and crash. If they crash, then why would you think it's a feature? I have never seen a program/game having a crash as a feature. Not even WoW.
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2008.11.28 07:02:00 - [15] join an trade channel with alot of activity.. itkeeps your session alive! 100% tested www.garia.net
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2008.11.28 07:09:00 - [16] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Aturayd they time out and crash. If they crash, then why would you think it's a feature? I have never seen a program/game having a crash as a feature. Not even WoW. Oooh, you could get slapped for that one :D On a more serious note, I have never ever during my two years in EVE been disconnected due to inactivity. Not once. And I've run as much as four clients at once. Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change.
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.11.28 07:12:00 - [17] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 28/11/2008 07:13:23 Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Aturayd they time out and crash. If they crash, then why would you think it's a feature? I have never seen a program/game having a crash as a feature. Not even WoW. Introducing Crash-to-Desktop. The new and improved 'quit' button. Less effort needed on the part of the customer and it tells you when you've been playing too much (time may vary depending on user). EVE crashes quite a bit for me. I could care less though because it does it when I click 'quit' (always makes me laugh too). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did I really need certificates to tell me I lack Basic Core Competency?
Verx Interis Amarr Modicus Dementis	Posted - 2008.11.28 07:18:00 - [18] Never happened to me. -- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points.
Flossing	Posted - 2008.11.28 07:31:00 - [19] Edited by: Flossing on 28/11/2008 07:34:07 Hold on, judging by the title of this thread, are you saying you are crashing because your illegal macro is conflicting with games anti macro methods?
Psychotic Penguin Gallente The Professional's Club The Second Genesis	Posted - 2008.11.28 07:34:00 - [20] ISPs love to do that sort of stuff if your on the cheap plan (they usually traffic shape/limit your speed by dropping packets) solution to this is: 1. upgrade to a more expensive plan 2. get a different isp 3. configure your router to do proper traffic shaping just below your isp limit another issue could be if your time is out, so check that it is in sync then there is the other one if you and your friends are sitting with cheap computers that are low on ram or cpu could be defective network equipment cable from your house to the cable box on your street has cracks (the most difficult to detect), had this happen once, took numerous phone calls and 3 different technicians to find the problem and my favorite, you and your friends send etch other chain mails/link to webpages with viruses on ____________________________________________________ Reality is for those who have no imagination.

Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.11.28 07:34:00 - [21] snifs air I smell...ooh. 8 out of 10 sir, it's quite well hidden in normality My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2008.11.28 07:36:00 - [22] I have had this problem as well and know a lot who do. Sometimes if you go inactive Eve kicks you out of game. You appear to be logged in but when you type you get kicked out. Its not as bad these days as it used to be. ____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
Psychotic Penguin Gallente The Professional's Club The Second Genesis	Posted - 2008.11.28 07:37:00 - [23] Originally by: Ambo I've been playing Eve and gone off to the cinema or for a night at the pub before. I'll come back, hours later and the client will still be connected and running fine. done the same with no problems. the mac client has been incredible unstable after QR, but the windows client is still rock solid. ____________________________________________________ Reality is for those who have no imagination.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.11.28 07:42:00 - [24] Originally by: DreadedHunter .. account logged in and a char cloaked up off station .. Oh, I see what you did there. SCA using afk-cloakers. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2008.11.28 07:44:00 - [25] This is almost certainly caused by your router. Routers use NAT (Natural Address Translation) to redirect a package from your LAN to the internet and back. In order to keep track of which computer wanted what package your router uses its internal memory. To keep this memory from running out, your router drops inactive connections after a pre-set amount of time. Either join a busy chat channel or figure out how to change the time-out in your router. CCP soft and hardware isn't the problem here. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2008.11.28 07:48:00 - [26] Edited by: Pottsey on 28/11/2008 07:49:02 The reason I think its CCPs problem I run two accounts on two PCs. If I play the 2nd account the timeout only happens on the 1st account. If I play the 1st account the timeout only happens on the 2nd account. So it's not faulty hardware. It's not my internet connection being unable to manage the traffic as it's a high end package and when I host lan parties we sometimes get 5+ People logged into Eve at once. Whichever random person goes AFK they are the wrong to suffer timeouts. No other games drop out like this. If it was the connection unable to keep up you would expect the active people to run into problems. The problem is very random. Sometimes I can leave it logged in hours no problem or go days without a problem. Sometimes it lasts and hour or two, other times only 5minuets. Whatever the cause it is getting better. Timeouts used to happen daily. Then again I do then tend to leave 1 module on auto cycle these days. Perhaps thats why its not timeing out. ____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
Estel Arador Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.28 09:12:00 - [27] Originally by: Rajah Cudlar Just open the help channel in the client or any channel that has a constant flow of chat. Leave that open, minimized is ok. This may be all you need to keep your client connected. This
Khaeldon Golden Clover Astrogeologists	Posted - 2008.11.28 09:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Washell Olivaw This is almost certainly caused by your router. Routers use NAT (Natural Address Translation) to redirect a package from your LAN to the internet and back. In order to keep track of which computer wanted what package your router uses its internal memory. To keep this memory from running out, your router drops inactive connections after a pre-set amount of time. Either join a busy chat channel or figure out how to change the time-out in your router. CCP soft and hardware isn't the problem here. Network Address Translation, in computer networking, a system for reusing IP addresses
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.11.28 09:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 28/11/2008 07:49:02 The reason I think its CCPs problem I run two accounts on two PCs. If I play the 2nd account the timeout only happens on the 1st account. If I play the 1st account the timeout only happens on the 2nd account. So it's not faulty hardware. It's not my internet connection being unable to manage the traffic as it's a high end package and when I host lan parties we sometimes get 5+ People logged into Eve at once. Whichever random person goes AFK they are the wrong to suffer timeouts. No other games drop out like this. If it was the connection unable to keep up you would expect the active people to run into problems. The problem is very random. Sometimes I can leave it logged in hours no problem or go days without a problem. Sometimes it lasts and hour or two, other times only 5minuets. Whatever the cause it is getting better. Timeouts used to happen daily. Then again I do then tend to leave 1 module on auto cycle these days. Perhaps thats why its not timeing out. I run several accounts at the same time and at times they're all pretty much idle and other times they're very busy. DC's happen sometimes... and by that I mean once every month or so, if at all. So no, it's not CCP because then everyone would have that problem.
Arriana Kale	Posted - 2008.11.28 09:34:00 - [30] Originally by: Aturayd This is an issue that has really been getting on mine and my corp mates nerves lately. Most of us run 2 or more accounts at the same time. If one is docked or sitting in space idle for 5 minutes or less they time out and crash. Worse still, I had my character open a cynosural field and he timed out while sitting there waiting for the cycle to end. This is beyond stupid and pointless. Im supposed to be paying attention to each screen every 30 seconds opening mail and asset windows to keep activity registered so it doesnt crash?? Please get rid of these lame timeouts! A friend of mine was running 5 accounts at once and when he gang warped them, they would all lose connection. The problem seems to get worse the more accounts you run at once. I am afraid to run missions with two accounts because one might time out and i might not notice it. While i paused from EVE to write this message, my account timed out and crashed. Im not surprised. Its your router, not eve. I get this on my ageing router with only 1 client. Yet at my parents house I can stay logged in 23/7 activity or no.



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