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Hormone1971
Caldari
silvestrus
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Posted - 2008.12.02 01:07:00 -
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I have heard people saying its now crap. Crap is relative. Is it still better than a standard Raven? How much better as they are 300mill ATM.
if they are crap, please state why they are compared to the standard Raven.
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EspionageX
Arbitrary Freedom
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:03:00 -
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Edited by: EspionageX on 02/12/2008 03:05:18
Eh I still like my CNR post patch. I havn't noticed any real difference from the missile changes just mission running. I guess if you like a little pimpage with an extra launcher/bit more shields sure get one by all means but you still can use a regular Raven if need be for missions.
Sorry but I can't give any advice PVP wise though  Have yet to fly one for PVP (Training up Amarr ships  ) but from what i've seen my corp m8s still use and love their Torp Ravens  I do know one corpie that has a CNR for PVP - seems to do well as it should since it has extra buffer and launcher over a Raven.
Hope that helps.
TL;DR Version - CNR has an edge over Raven but keep the price tag in mind if it matters that much to you
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vostok
Minmatar
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.12.02 04:03:00 -
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For missions, a CNR is obviously much better.
For pvp, well, I would prefer a standard raven tbh, since I like the 2 spare high slots for heavy neuts or smartbombs
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Kobushi
OCForums
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Posted - 2008.12.02 04:19:00 -
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no they are crap, contract it to me and I will dispose of it for only 5 millions...
No but id you didn't skip your support skills you will barely see any changes, the only ppl I know that complains about the raven/CNR/Golem are the one that do not have decent level of support skills.
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Dechmeister
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Posted - 2008.12.02 04:25:00 -
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I've you're looking for numbers, my CNR does exactly 13% more sustained damage than my Raven (666DPS VS 590DPS) and 15.5% more alpha (3684 damage). I don't have any damage implants.
For tank, it's only marginaly better, 7% better than my Raven.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2008.12.02 05:28:00 -
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 Originally by: EspionageX
TL;DR Version - CNR has an edge over Raven but keep the price tag in mind if it matters that much to you
Also worth noting, a mission ship shouldn't really ever be in danger, so you could always resell it when you are done. Of course, prices might drop in the future on them, but its not exactly like 300 million ISK will vanish on you
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Elhina Novae
Sky's Edge
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Posted - 2008.12.02 05:34:00 -
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The Cruise CNR is as good as before, if not even better.
Before the patch I was training missile skills anyways, now iam close too 2.5mil.
After the patch I noticed how much my CNR sucked, until I got Launcher Rigging IV and started using T2 rigs. After this my CNR was equal in missionrunning speed as it was before :P
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Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.02 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dechmeister
I've you're looking for numbers, my CNR does exactly 13% more sustained damage than my Raven (666DPS VS 590DPS) and 15.5% more alpha (3684 damage). I don't have any damage implants.
For tank, it's only marginaly better, 7% better than my Raven.
And of course it's worth noting that any increase in DPS could mean a radical difference in mission completion times - higher DPS could mean the difference between popping a ship before it reps again or not, etc.
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Carniflex
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.12.02 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Hormone1971
I have heard people saying its now crap. Crap is relative. Is it still better than a standard Raven? How much better as they are 300mill ATM.
if they are crap, please state why they are compared to the standard Raven.
It is not crap. Just needs a bit modified setup to work ok. If you are thinking about mission running it's quite worth it's price.
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SerialThrilla
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Posted - 2008.12.02 08:52:00 -
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Edited by: SerialThrilla on 02/12/2008 08:53:24
It's a bit worse than it was before patch against cruisers/BC, but it's still a really nice mission running ship. The tank isn't that much better than normal raven, just extra HP so it can absorb more dmg before shield boosting. The extra damage is really nice though, and if you kill stuff faster, that's less you'll have to tank :)
Make sure to put rigs on it too, they make a huge difference. The capacitor control circuits are really nice for boosting your tank, and the missile RoF/damage or explosion radius are good for extra damage. Most people fit 3 of the CCC, for maximum tank. Unless you have a faction booster, you'll need all the cap you can get.
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2008.12.02 15:56:00 -
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3 CCC I's, XL Booster = overtank, cruiser/BC's harder to kill since patch
3 warhead rigs, 2 Small Faction Boosters = adequate tank significant killspeed increase
Pick yer poison.
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Kehmor
Caldari
Malevolent Emo Herders
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.02 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Elhina Novae
The Cruise CNR is as good as before, if not even better.
Before the patch I was training missile skills anyways, now iam close too 2.5mil.
After the patch I noticed how much my CNR sucked, until I got Launcher Rigging IV and started using T2 rigs. After this my CNR was equal in missionrunning speed as it was before :P
Uhm so your argument is: "My raven is even better post patch because I've put on better equipment and got better skills." Nice... 
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.02 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Hormone1971
I have heard people saying its now crap. Crap is relative. Is it still better than a standard Raven? How much better as they are 300mill ATM.
if they are crap, please state why they are compared to the standard Raven.
People are dumb. They're "crap" if you have 3M non learning SP, like every other BS in the game would be. I can tell you from personal experience that a PWNAGE-fitted Cruise CNR blows through level 4s as fast - or faster - than ever.
Buy one from a chump now if he's dumb enough to sell it for 300M.
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Hormone1971
Caldari
silvestrus
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Posted - 2008.12.02 21:29:00 -
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So Mal,
do you then mean 300 mill is a good price for a CNR then compared to what the price used to be (what did it used to be?). Worth the cash compared to the standard raven?
FYI, I hope i have the skills to fly as been training up my support skills
Linkage
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.02 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hormone1971
So Mal,
do you then mean 300 mill is a good price for a CNR then compared to what the price used to be (what did it used to be?). Worth the cash compared to the standard raven?
FYI, I hope i have the skills to fly as been training up my support skills
Linkage
Yeah if you want to make a mission ship and you have missile skills, it's worth 300M. You will make more ISk with a CNR than with a raven, and at 300M it will hold it's value. I'm flying one as I type this. You can still semi-AFK mission in a CNR...
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Hobbes277
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Posted - 2008.12.03 00:25:00 -
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I fly the al amarr/gallente BS as well as the Caldari and as before QR and after if I want to finish any mission fast I always fly my CNR.
Jus to give u an idea of how much they dropped in price they went for 1 billion ISK when I started playing 2 years ago.
I bought mine for 450 in January, but if they are done to 300 I just might pick up another.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.03 03:45:00 -
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They briefly flirted with 300 they seems to be back up to 350+ now.
I think people never bothered with missile mods before are now and by using rigor with pwnage I think high skill players are clearing rooms faster than before.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.12.03 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 03/12/2008 04:24:19
Originally by: Hormone1971
So Mal,
do you then mean 300 mill is a good price for a CNR then compared to what the price used to be (what did it used to be?). Worth the cash compared to the standard raven?
FYI, I hope i have the skills to fly as been training up my support skills
Linkage
i'm going to go out on a limb and say if you see one for 300 mil, buy it, mark it up to 350+ and resell it. It will sell.
patch doomsday concerns of CNR were all bark. (edit: fyi, i was one of the "oh,noes eve is doomed" ppl)
I ran mine with ab,xlrg,3invul,sba (swap out 2 invuls for heat/em for amarr missions)
now i run xlrg,3invul,sba,tp II.
used to have a gun in my last high, threw in a drone range mod for the hell of it.
(low=2pdu II, 3 cn bcu)
the only thing that is a pain in the ass is npc HACs. Everything else is as easy or easier to kill than before. (i'm sure the 'easier' part of my statement is more perception thanks to weapon grouping, but whatever)
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Hormone1971
Caldari
silvestrus
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Posted - 2008.12.03 04:27:00 -
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I just bought one at 304mill. I say grab em while they are hot then.
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Hormone1971
Caldari
silvestrus
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Posted - 2008.12.03 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ghengis Tia
3 CCC I's, XL Booster = overtank, cruiser/BC's harder to kill since patch
3 warhead rigs, 2 Small Faction Boosters = adequate tank significant killspeed increase
Pick yer poison.
OK then folks. Rigging for the CNR. We all know the "popular" 3x CCC config.
Would a 1 x CCC 2 x Warhead rigs be better now, or 2 x CCC 1 x Warhead.
Please give reason why you particular rig mix is good in your opinion.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.12.03 05:35:00 -
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i think its an issue of:
use a mid for tp and ccc for tank cap
OR
use all mids for tanking, use your rigs for missile effect
what rigs? warhead rigor... you could do 2 of them. or you could do one of them and one of the flare catalyst? not sure, haven't researched it too much, happy w/ what i got.
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Concord Protectme
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Posted - 2008.12.03 06:47:00 -
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i think it's bad :)
proof
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Lauri Andromedae
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Posted - 2008.12.03 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hormone1971
I have heard people saying its now crap. Crap is relative. Is it still better than a standard Raven? How much better as they are 300mill ATM.
if they are crap, please state why they are compared to the standard Raven.
No it isn't. Quit EVE and contract your stuff to me. 
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Elhina Novae
Sky's Edge
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Posted - 2008.12.03 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
Originally by: Elhina Novae
The Cruise CNR is as good as before, if not even better.
Before the patch I was training missile skills anyways, now iam close too 2.5mil.
After the patch I noticed how much my CNR sucked, until I got Launcher Rigging IV and started using T2 rigs. After this my CNR was equal in missionrunning speed as it was before :P
Uhm so your argument is: "My raven is even better post patch because I've put on better equipment and got better skills." Nice...
Yeah. I haven't really increased my DPS/Alpha with my skills so far I've only got better explosion velocity/signature radius on my missiles through skills and equipment.
The only thing that proves is that the Raven possibly is more skill intense then before and we won't see 1 month old character being able to breeze through level 4s?
I still 2 volley many BCs/Cruisers with my Raven without problems and really I can say there is no difference then before.
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Originally by: Boz Well
Originally by: SurrenderMonkey
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There's an Amarr problem?
Nothing that can't be solved by more Minmatar nerfs.
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Hormone1971
Caldari
silvestrus
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Posted - 2008.12.04 23:22:00 -
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any further recommendations on the rigs?
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Thercon Jair
Minmatar
InQuest Ascension
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.12.05 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hormone1971
any further recommendations on the rigs?
Not really, I'd also say go with 2 explosion radius rigs and 1 CCC, or 2 explosion radius rigs and an explosion velocity rig. I think it all comes down to how well your cap skills are trained (and missile skills too).
On a sidenote, someone worked out the forumla for the missiles. Can't find it right now, but it might tell you which rig works better. And, the rigs are stacking penalised, right? So it's probably better to add 2 missile rigs that help more and 1 that helps less, since a third might be stacking penalised below the usability of the "worse" rig.
I know, no answer, just some thoughts 
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Vigilant
Gallente
Vigilant's Vigilante's
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Posted - 2008.12.05 23:09:00 -
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Good Shield Skills - Check
Great Missile Skills - Check
Great Electronics / Eng Skills - Check
Great Setup (non Faction) - Check
Levels 4's only take extra 10 percent longer....shorter if you run a second account or get a friend in BC / HAC.
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Dyaven
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.12.05 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Concord Protectme
i think it's bad :)
proof
Ahahaha! That's really not much, I could beat Granger's CNR in my Ishkur I bet. He's probably the biggest noob in EVE atm.
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PCI E
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Posted - 2008.12.07 09:43:00 -
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hehe
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.12.07 10:29:00 -
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It still has one more launcher than a Raven.
It's still therefore slightly better than the Raven.
Speaking as someone who likes the idea of using them in PvP, I have to say I support further price drops for the Raven.
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