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Oftherocks
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.02 23:28:00 -
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Malediction, pretty decent rocket ship, even gets a rocket bonus.
 Originally by: Sheriff Jones
No, i play hello kitty online and just paid for 5 years to come here and make comments about stuff i know nothing about and Wranglers pants.
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Aoife Baelish
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.02 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Oftherocks
Malediction, pretty decent rocket ship, even gets a rocket bonus.
No no.
Malediction, pretty decent SHIP. Could even use rockets, doesn't because they suck.
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Verx Interis
Amarr
Modicus Dementis
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Posted - 2008.12.02 23:38:00 -
[33]
Vengeance gets better?
Me like.
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5pinDizzy
Amarr
Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.12.03 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 03/12/2008 00:47:23
It's true, you can build a better malediction with lasers. Well within cap stability limits, just as fast and with around 20 extra dps then rockets even with level 5 in interceptor bonus and a little bit more range.
Fitting one medium laser and still keeping a nos to bleed bigger targets to death in a similar tactic to the punisher but a lot zippier.
The only advantage of the rocket version is still having the ability of firing back if you get neuted in which situation you're usually running for dear life anyway to warp before your mwd cycle ends.
Rockets aren't worth fitting on a malediction at least, it's an inferior setup.
The laser setup malediction I use would flatten any equally expensive setup with rockets as you'd never get me neut range and be using javelin rockets to be able to hit me, while I'm well within your range doing twice the damage.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.12.03 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Aoife Baelish
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
also LOL @ the op's ZERO kills on any kb
I am an alt. So what? What matters is that I make a valid point.
Believe me, I have plenty of kills in more than one killboard, and I know to what degree rockets suck.
post with your main so they can verify.
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insidion
Caldari
Last of the Technocracy
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.12.03 03:23:00 -
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It's too bad because really rockets should be a fearsome weapon, but they sucked before patch and they're even more useless now. They either need a ginormous boost in range or a ginormous boost in damage imo. The penalties on t2 rockets need to be rethought as well.
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Bohoba
Caldari
HolyKnights
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Posted - 2008.12.03 04:16:00 -
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there is nothing wrong with rocket or missles ccp has made them act just like guns :)
1 gun, 1 race, 1 ship, game now and all them wasted skill points :) we all got taken for a ride :)
A once majestic ship feared by many, now they all laugh at the site of it.
oh well don't mind me back to mining lol and it is buggy as it has alwasy been.
fix the bugs
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.03 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Aoife Baelish
... there's not a single ship that, even being specifically bonused for the use of rockets, uses them as a main weaponry system
Heretic is one
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Eran Laude
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
Doctrine.
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Posted - 2008.12.03 07:47:00 -
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Actually, the Anathema has a rockets bonus.
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Karille
Gallente
Cold Templars
Templar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.12.03 08:16:00 -
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My Tristan has rockets, should i be worried that it's ineffective?
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Tippia
Caldari
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.12.03 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Karille
My Tristan has rockets, should i be worried that it's ineffective?
No, you should be worried that it's a Tristan… 
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Karille
Gallente
Cold Templars
Templar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.12.03 09:12:00 -
[42]
There is nothing wrong with my anthropomorphic 4 limbed space vessel!
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Tippia
Caldari
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.12.03 09:16:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Karille
Tristan
Originally by: Karille
anthropomorphic
 I think you should go see a doctor…
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arbiter reformed
Minmatar
Systematic Chaos.
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Posted - 2008.12.03 09:47:00 -
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its javs that `are broken now that or the maladiction needs a missilse speed bonus
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Aoife Baelish
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.03 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: Aoife Baelish on 03/12/2008 10:33:53
Originally by: Karille
My Tristan has rockets, should i be worried that it's ineffective?
Filling launcher slots in short range doesn't count, because there's nothing else to go there anyway.
Even if CCP wanted rockets to stay only as a secondary weapon system to "fill holes", then fine, but then also give the so-called rocket ships an useful bonus, not the ability to be good at firing weapons that SUCK.
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 03/12/2008 07:27:44
Originally by: Aoife Baelish
... there's not a single ship that, even being specifically bonused for the use of rockets, uses them as a main weaponry system
Heretic is one
Also malediction...and vengeance 
They're supposed to use rockets, true.
However, they don't, or if they do, they shouldn't, because they are bad, and that's what we're discussing.
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inarta
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Posted - 2008.12.03 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: inarta on 03/12/2008 10:37:30
I have been using rockets on my kestrel and the kinetic dam bonus works pretty well for them.
Also...Have you heard of the term "Bad rower blames the row" ?
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Karille
Gallente
Cold Templars
Templar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.12.03 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: inarta
Edited by: inarta on 03/12/2008 10:37:30
I have been using rockets on my kestrel and the kinetic dam bonus works pretty well for them.
Also...Have you heard of the term "Bad rower blames the row" ?
Buff rows, nerf propellers and sails
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Oriodus
Scorched Sun
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Posted - 2008.12.03 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Karille
Buff rows, nerf propellers and sails
...and nerf columns?
Or did you mean "Buff oars, nerf propellers and sails"?
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kessah
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.12.03 13:51:00 -
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rocket do lack alot of dps to be fair. With the advent of warp scramblers, it seems rockets orientated ships seem sub-par when it comes to fighting turret based frigates.
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Samuca
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Posted - 2008.12.03 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Samuca on 03/12/2008 13:59:20
been utilizing this as a close range tackler to great effect. Rockets arent a bastion of dps, but they do tear through drones like no other.
its ..uh...usable
[Vengeance, New Setup 1]
Small Armor Repairer II
Small Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
Bay Loading Accelerator I
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Sir Substance
Minmatar
MagiTech Alliance Inc.
MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.03 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: arbiter reformed
its javs that `are broken now that or the maladiction needs a missilse speed bonus
ya, i just looked at that. pre-patch javs were going 20km. according to EFT, now they go 12.
is that correct?
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kor anon
Amarr
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: kor anon on 03/12/2008 16:43:57
Originally by: Xiaodown
Originally by: Nicholas Barker
the rocket/plate crow not only ****es on your camp fire, but also ****s in your tent.
wat
I agree that is quite possibly the least understandable and most idiotic suggestion in this thread
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.12.03 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 03/12/2008 17:56:26
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 03/12/2008 17:55:31
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
I'm pretty sure he's saying CCP hate Caldari so much that if you ask them to make rockets better they'll just nerf every single other missile weapon, and say, here ya are, fixed. Rockets look great now!
edit : That's pretty bad patch note wording Venkul Mul if it's true what you're saying, I'll see if I can double check.
This isn't a nerf for caldari because they were fitting std launcher before the patch anyway, mostly because rockets sucked even back then. The ones that really got nuked by the nerf bat are the forced rocket users like malediction and vengeance. Malediction can't kill drones and can't hit fast frigs with rockets. What the hell did they think? AC malediction is alot better now but is still outclassed at tackling by the crusader. Why? Because my crusader can basically instapop warrior IIs. Vengeance sucked ass before patch. It sucks now, blaster or AC vengeance is ALOT better then rocket vengeance.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.12.03 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Oftherocks
Malediction, pretty decent rocket ship, even gets a rocket bonus.
How exactly are you going to tackle a ship (and most ships have room for warrior IIs) when you can't shoot drones while flying with your intended weapon system? Does this not show how much game design failed on this one after patch? You just have absolutely no clue wtf you're talking about. Until you do, keep your comments out of threads like this.
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Aleus Stygian
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Posted - 2008.12.03 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Oftherocks
Malediction, pretty decent rocket ship, even gets a rocket bonus.
How exactly are you going to tackle a ship (and most ships have room for warrior IIs) when you can't shoot drones while flying with your intended weapon system? Does this not show how much game design failed on this one after patch? You just have absolutely no clue wtf you're talking about. Until you do, keep your comments out of threads like this.
You know, as has been mentioned before, the Malediction still has a role beyond rockets. That doesn't mean it's not broken though.
The Malediction, while definitely in need of more ability to engage drones and other frigate-class vessels doesn't suffer the same level of uselessness as the Heretic, which now cannot contribute any decent sort of damage to anything below battlecruiser level even if it does catch something in a bubble. It would have compared favorably to the Malediction even, at least in slightly larger gangs, if it were not for the fact that I could personally easily bring a Sabre instead and gain a whole new level of usefulness against all the pesky small targets that my friends in bigger ships have trouble with.
And then we have the Vengeance. A ship with a simple tanking role, that is set in a class meant to represent the firepower of frigate gangs. And it can't knock out other frigates. Or cruisers. It doesn't have a tackle bonus. It has a tank, but it is far from invulnerable and since it's a frigate it goes under to focused fire from other frigates and the right medium weapons rather easily. It's so shamefully useless against pretty much any class of target that it makes its sibling, the one-mid Retribution, look like a good idea.
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Adaera
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Posted - 2008.12.03 18:31:00 -
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The explosion velocity on rockets is an utter joke now. WTF were CCP thinking there?
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Letifer Deus
A Astroid Belt
Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.12.03 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Aleus Stygian
It has a tank, but it is far from invulnerable and since it's a frigate it goes under to focused fire from other frigates and the right medium weapons rather easily. It's so shamefully useless against pretty much any class of target that it makes its sibling, the one-mid Retribution, look like a good idea.
Every AF is vulnerable to frig focus fire just like every BS is vulnerable to BS focus fire. That doesn't mean the venge's tank isn't amazing for a frigate or that you can write it off so easily. And just because it doesn't have bonuses to tackling doesn't mean it isn't a good heavy tackler. Yesterday, for example, I chased down and tackled a WT cruise raven in my ishkur and tanked his drones and cruise until the cavalry could get there.
That being said, rockets suck hairy goat balls and need a boost.
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Joe Sasaki
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Posted - 2008.12.03 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Sasaki on 03/12/2008 18:49:14
Originally by: Letifer Deus
That being said, rockets suck hairy goat balls and need a boost.
Why? They outrange blasters and will always hit their target as long as it is in range.
Missiles are fine and that includes light missiles and rockets.
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Lili Lu
Victory Not Vengeance
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.03 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Letifer Deus
That being said, rockets suck hairy goat balls and need a boost.
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Umar Khattab
Amarr
NME1
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Posted - 2008.12.03 19:05:00 -
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As a Vengeance pilote i must agree with Aoife. Before QR rockets with the bonus would make basically the same dps than ACs without bonus, it was ****ty but at least it wasn't inferior. But now! Now it's insanely unbalanced. Who the **** got that idea of nerfing rockets at CCP? I mean come on, we're talking about common sense here! The solution is either a 20% boost in damage, or changing the weapon/weapon bonus of vengeance and malediction for lasers (adding more cap).
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