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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.12.04 17:34:00 -
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So CCP has spoken, this case is now closed as far as I'm concerned. I will be opening up an account at Ebank, but should I go with this alt so my business isn't war dec or should I use my real char?
I have already had massive loses due to war dec from a 100 man alliance so I'm a little gun shy.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.04 17:54:00 -
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what does ebank have to do with war? |
Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.12.04 19:15:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Ricdic
what does ebank have to do with war?
I use an alt because I have been a war target 2 times now so I was thinking should I open an account at Ebank with this alt, or should I open with my main.
BTW the first time I got hammered, second time I used mercs and that was too costly but I win in the KB lost on the isk.
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Damien Jax
Chaos Faction
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Posted - 2008.12.04 20:00:00 -
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What? I don't get how being war decced would decide which character you use to deposit money. Are you afraid someone will steal it if they see your character name?
Color me confused!
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SentryRaven
Sentry Security
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Posted - 2008.12.04 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Bloody Rabbit
Originally by: Ricdic
what does ebank have to do with war?
I use an alt because I have been a war target 2 times now so I was thinking should I open an account at Ebank with this alt, or should I open with my main.
BTW the first time I got hammered, second time I used mercs and that was too costly but I win in the KB lost on the isk.
To EBANK, it does certainly not matter which character you use to create an account.
We are a neutral entity. Besides, what would it help other players to wardec you, if they know you have an EBANK account. They cannot access that money...
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Cheopis
Amarr
One Stop Mining Shop
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Posted - 2008.12.04 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Cheopis on 04/12/2008 21:49:31
Originally by: CornerStoner
1. You have presented your opinion on this topic/issue in many threads.
2. It has been debated to a level beyond it's merit.
3. 3 Devs have taken the time to address it and explain in plain english their SOP for the forums and why things are the way they are.
4. You have decided to ignore the above 3 points and continue.
TBH to continue with this would be ridiculous, obsessive and against the forum rules you claim to respect. Please...request this thread be locked and save yourself any further embarassment.
1 Yes
2 You can't debate "right" on too many threads. There is no debate when it is obvious there is something wrong
3 Devs have basically explained 1) CCP Hammer doesn't feel comfortable stomping on other CCP employee toes, but does seem to recognize that there might be a problem. 2) CCP Mitnal seems to understand, but really doesn't care because he sees it as just a forum and not a critical part of the game, and 3)CCP Navigator doesn't know what the problem actually is, based on the brevity and his apparent complete lack of understanding of what this channel used to do, and still tries to do.
4) Yes. Why? Because I had hope that the somewhat open wording of CCP Hammer's response might mean that he was in fact still watching and might be willing to respond once or more and if convinced, perhaps begin taking steps to actually support the game content of EVE that exists in this forum. This might still happen in a measured pace, without further action on any of our parts.
As nice as it might be for CCP Hammer to have said "These people run something here that is a critical part of the game itself, give them a little space of their own." and use a little muscle to make a change, I was not expecting immediate action. He does not work in a vacuum.
I fully expect the CCP people in charge of the forums to continue to completely ignore or blithely dismiss any arguments that might make their work .01% harder. This is the #1 goal of all Forum Moderators. "Squish as much content into as little space as you can possibly get away with, while claiming it is for the good of the community."
After recent comments by CCP Mitnal, it was obvious that the only hope was to bring in someone responsible for actual gameplay, and at least get them to see that a problem exists, and maybe get in a little dialog with them, then hope that some dialog might open up between CCP team members resulting in action to support the ingame high stakes financial market. This last part might still happen. *shrug*
So, I've accomplished most of what I expected might be possible with this thread, and more than I expected to be probable. I would like to see at least one response on a game-content level from CCP Hammer, since he did ask a game-content based question that appeared to be indicating an interest in a little dialog. I won't hold my breath for it, but since he did express an interest in what the actual background problem was, I'd like to see an indication that he understands the concerns of those persons who consider the discussions and activity within the old MD forum to ba a part of EVE that is not supported by the client.
So, no, I will not be requesting thread closure. That would be like inviting someone to dinner then slamming the door in their face when they arrive at your doorstep. I'll respond here and there, and hope to see some indication that CCP Hammer actually understands the problem. This might take months, or perhaps there might be a stealth fix and we'll see a new forum tomorrow where MD used to be. As Shar says above, the CCP team can be a bit difficult to track at times 
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shortattenionsp
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Posted - 2008.12.05 02:23:00 -
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Shutup about this already. You have already lost the argument - taking more threads won't make things any better.
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2008.12.05 02:28:00 -
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What's done is done, man. While I agreed with you earlier, CCP has stated rather decisively that they aren't moving MD back to its old position. This being the case, it's time to move forward, not cover your ears and chant 'not listening' in hopes that you'll get your way.
TL;DR: What's done is done; let it die.
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Cheopis
Amarr
One Stop Mining Shop
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Posted - 2008.12.05 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: shortattenionsp
Shutup about this already. You have already lost the argument - taking more threads won't make things any better.
You cannot lose an argument when you are correct. It doesn't matter how many times someone says 2+2=5.
Even if a new forum is not created, It does not mean there isn't a problem, it just means CCP is choosing to ignore the possible long term effect on the game that ignoring the needs of high stakes investors will cause.
Yes, this may seem a bit over the top. I'm not exactly subtle by nature when I know with 100% certainty that I am correct, especially when I have my own thoughts clarified by dozens of obviously short sighted and flawed arguments against me. Consider this:
All these people saying "we can mix the high stakes forum and the market discussion forum here because we can just ignore threads" or similar statements? How many times have they responded to me? Doesn't this seem a bit strange? In light of the fact that they cannot even follow their own advice and not comment in a thread they want to fall off the page, I do not see how the newbie experience is going to be anything other than a nightmare flamefest when the newbie population begins to pick up after a boxed game release.
In short, as long as people continue to argue in a thread they wish to go away, they prove that they can't even allow a thread to pass away, and make their replies meaningless by the simple fact that they are replying at all.
I've done about as much as I can expect to do here, and will not be bumping this thread. I will not have any problems with responding to comments, however.
Being right will only take you so far, the ball is in CCP's court now. Hopefully someone up there cares enough about the high end economic game to actually do something.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.05 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cheopis
Yes, this may seem a bit over the top. I'm not exactly subtle by nature when I know with 100% certainty that I am correct, especially when I have my own thoughts clarified by dozens of obviously short sighted and flawed arguments against me.
Wow, you are right: You aren't subtle about the fact what you say. But I know I'm 100% right when I say that it's bull****.
Stop posting already. You make people in Market Discussion seem really bad 
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Cheopis
Amarr
One Stop Mining Shop
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Posted - 2008.12.05 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Cheopis
Yes, this may seem a bit over the top. I'm not exactly subtle by nature when I know with 100% certainty that I am correct, especially when I have my own thoughts clarified by dozens of obviously short sighted and flawed arguments against me.
Wow, you are right: You aren't subtle about the fact what you say. But I know I'm 100% right when I say that it's bull****.
Stop posting already. You make people in Market Discussion seem really bad
Thank you for proving my point.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.05 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cheopis
Thank you for proving my point.
Your point was hammered into the ground over a page ago when you got owned by 2 blues in a row 
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.05 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cheopis
In short, as long as people continue to argue in a thread they wish to go away, they prove that they can't even allow a thread to pass away, and make their replies meaningless by the simple fact that they are replying at all.
Unless by replying they prove that the thread should go away, because they won't allow a thread like this to have any credibility, which is proven by their continued arguments in a thread they wish to go away. This is a simple fact, which in short, is proven by me replying.
Unless it's not.
Maybe.
EBANK Staff | www.eve-bank.net
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.05 05:14:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Hexxx
Originally by: Cheopis
In short, as long as people continue to argue in a thread they wish to go away, they prove that they can't even allow a thread to pass away, and make their replies meaningless by the simple fact that they are replying at all.
Unless by replying they prove that the thread should go away, because they won't allow a thread like this to have any credibility, which is proven by their continued arguments in a thread they wish to go away. This is a simple fact, which in short, is proven by me replying.
Unless it's not.
Maybe.
Hexxx better get training Forum Warfare Specialization to at very least level 4. However, do remember that the skill only applies when you are in a fleet. But it sux when you run around doing suicide runs when the rest of us has the required bonuses to post in this forum while not being confusing
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Cheopis
Amarr
One Stop Mining Shop
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Posted - 2008.12.05 05:18:00 -
[45]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Cheopis
Thank you for proving my point.
Your point was hammered into the ground over a page ago when you got owned by 2 blues in a row
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Hammer is absolutely correct.
Forum particpation in Market Discussions is light to moderate so adding additional forums at this time would be unnecessary.
I would also add that you have an opportunity to educate and guide newer players on the ins and outs of the EVE Market while still holding your advanced market discussions within this forum.
Do you mean here, where CCP Navigator showed that he doesn't even know that we do more than talk here? Or do you mean where Hammer said that "Managing forums is really up to the community team" and then later asked "My rhetorical questions to you would be: are people really having a lot trouble following the dozen new threads a day or are people getting lost trying to find a place to discuss market issues (be they in-game or player created out-of-game)?"
Boy, I really feel "owned" by these Devs, one of whom expressed at least some interest in the issue while avoiding stepping on colleague toes, and the other who indicated they didn't even know what happens in this forum.
Your statement has no merit.
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Cheopis
Amarr
One Stop Mining Shop
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Posted - 2008.12.05 05:22:00 -
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As I said, I've done what I can, and am willing to drop this thread. Can you allow it to fall off the page? Or shall you continue to prove that I am correct by showing how willing you are to continue on a dead topic?
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.05 05:24:00 -
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Cheopis you are starting to sound like Charlie Browns teacher.
Please let it go.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.12.05 07:50:00 -
[48]
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 05/12/2008 07:55:05
Originally by: Cheopis
As I said, I've done what I can, and am willing to drop this thread.
Is it over yet? Better read the "Petition for an advanced market forum" thread one more time just to be sure.
Black Sun Empire |
Handelsschnucki
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Posted - 2008.12.06 01:44:00 -
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Edited by: Handelsschnucki on 06/12/2008 01:45:25
Originally by: Cheopis
You cannot lose an argument when you are correct. It doesn't matter how many times someone says 2+2=5.
First off, I am 1. an eve newbie 2. not a regular reader of this little board and finally 3. have no clue about what you are talking about... I still would like to point out the above statement! I wish you were right, it would make the world a better place, a most wonderful one indeed! Furthermore I wish you to embrace and acknowledge the naivety of what you said there.
Finally, to **** off all the readers I pleased onto this point, Id like to mention that you are doing the only right thing: cry out as loud as you can.
Regards,
Frank
ninja-edit: wow, censorship hits hard on faecal word abuse here!
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Broegitte Bardot
BINFORD
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.06 07:09:00 -
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im not an off-table-brusher saying stuff like "xxx is fine"
but i can't say MD is un-fine x_X
it's not the forum's fault that ric and hex ruined the financial market ^^ nor how there's too much money circulating in the first place.
anything else is merely evolution or progress - not saying if it was in the "right" direction -.-
aka Roemy Schneider
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.06 12:21:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Broegitte Bardot
it's not the forum's fault that ric and hex ruined the financial market ^^ nor how there's too much money circulating in the first place.
I laughed out loud. GTFO troll  |
Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.12.06 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Broegitte Bardot
it's not the forum's fault that ric and hex ruined the financial market ^^ nor how there's too much money circulating in the first place.
anything else is merely evolution or progress - not saying if it was in the "right" direction -.-
Please tell us how they have ruined the market?
Note I haven't had any dealing with these two but I have seen and read their posts in the past and noticed how much they try to help new and old players.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.06 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Treelox on 06/12/2008 14:34:31
Originally by: Bloody Rabbit
Originally by: Broegitte Bardot
it's not the forum's fault that ric and hex ruined the financial market ^^ nor how there's too much money circulating in the first place.
anything else is merely evolution or progress - not saying if it was in the "right" direction -.-
Please tell us how they have ruined the market?
Note I haven't had any dealing with these two but I have seen and read their posts in the past and noticed how much they try to help new and old players.
he is implying that they ruined it via Ebank, and how Ebank has sucked up all the investment iskies. A running gag around the forums, some mean it and some just jeer it at Hexxx and Ricdic to make them blush.
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added a "it" that seemed to have misplaced itself in the intial typing...
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JafoPBCFR
One Stop Mining Shop
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Posted - 2008.12.06 15:03:00 -
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DID Cheopis say Waffles? Ill Invest in Waffles!
I as you can tell Am in his corp and heard his Case in vent. Wanted to shoot then hang myself but i still listend. I can see the merit in what he wants. And Respect his deication to his belief.
There i said it Chopis gimme my damn Waffle!!
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.06 15:34:00 -
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The placing of capitals in your text is insanely incorrect. It's like your left pinkie has frayed nerves causing you to accidentally hold down the shift key at random intervals. |
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