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Jazlina	Posted - 2008.12.04 14:07:00 - [1] I have been trying to sell my CNR for almost 3 weeks now, I am on my 3rd contract and still there is no buyer. I think that I am asking for a pretty cheap price but again, no buyers. Do you think that the tank in the market is proof that the pve king has been nerfed and therefore lost its coveted spot as king? Or, is it just a speculation downturn that has no real meaning ( people think it was nerfed and therefore wont buy it, even if it wasnt) Just wondering what you could read into it- My contract for additional info- CNR 3 CCC Rigs 400 M buyout
NoNah	Posted - 2008.12.04 14:12:00 - [2] The cheapest CNR on contracts is 290 mil. The rigs are presumably fitted, not the cookie cutter setup and hence more or less worthless. So you're asking a 38% overprice, in a tradehub(Mind you not the most active one) and suprised it doesn't sell? Would you ask for 120 mil for a normal Raven and be suprised if it didn't sell?
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence	Posted - 2008.12.04 14:18:00 - [3] So..... It's bad that the CNR finally fell into rank with the other Navy BS? Care to explain? Why haven't i heard you crying out for buffs to the navy apoc, mega and tempest? Sorry to be so blunt, but it's just so damn annoying if people can't get a proper perspective on things.
Jazlina	Posted - 2008.12.04 14:25:00 - [4] There is not one single whine or "cry" in my post, it is a simple question. That is all. Its not my fault you have to be sour about it and answer sarcastically. I am selling it in Amarr, and for this region the price is appropriate. Most people will spend more to buy local, simple. The rigs are fitted already, so in actuality I am asking about 350m for the raven. That is just slightly over the price of a navy mega, around 320 or so. I just asking what you think and by your responses it sounds like you know it was nerfed and approve of it, 1 check for the nerf box. Oh, and you can troll somewhere else now, your smelly
Caiman Graystock Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.04 14:28:00 - [5] Edited by: Caiman Graystock on 04/12/2008 14:28:35 The CNR dropped in value long before QR. 300 without rigs is about the norm now. Sure, it sucks, and there are better things to buy in terms of value from the LP store, which if people start doing, might lead to a decrease in supply of CNRs and boost their price again. But the LP Store is to blame for introducing a large supply, coupled perhaps with ships like the Golem, rather than QR.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.12.04 14:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Jazlina There is not one single whine or "cry" in my post, it is a simple question. That is all. Its not my fault you have to be sour about it and answer sarcastically. I am selling it in Amarr, and for this region the price is appropriate. Most people will spend more to buy local, simple. The rigs are fitted already, so in actuality I am asking about 350m for the raven. That is just slightly over the price of a navy mega, around 320 or so. I just asking what you think and by your responses it sounds like you know it was nerfed and approve of it, 1 check for the nerf box. Oh, and you can troll somewhere else now, your smelly Your "assumption" is clearly wrong seeing as you are on the forums whining about the price. And yes, with the title you picked it is a whine. CNR plus rigs is a pretty common ship. You aren't going to get much for it.
AnKahn Caldari The Giant Squid Corp.	Posted - 2008.12.04 14:47:00 - [7] I actually paid too much for mine before the "nerf", about 400. But I bought it locally, did not want to go to Jita etc, and it was my first purchase of that type (contract only item). Yea, I'm still green. It could be said that mission running was a little bit too easy pre patch. The CNR was just easy on steroids. Humans are naturally lazy. So the CNR was overpriced. If the CNR really becomes price under 3X a normal Raven, I might actually start flying it in PvP. At this point in my EvE play, I really don't care about PvE anymore. Level 5s are kind of fun tho, but I bring a Domi to those. And a CNR is kinda brown on my display anyway.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.04 15:17:00 - [8] If anyone wants to get rid of his trimarked raven, I'll buy it Boink!
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.12.04 15:27:00 - [9] I lost mine in pee vee pee trying to kill a moros in a belt. I was very sad in the pants. I'll buy yours to replace my loss - but I don't want crappy ccc rigs on it, so in actuality I wont pay more than 290 mil for it.
Thea Arsoniztik Red Tides Viewer Discretion Advised	Posted - 2008.12.04 15:45:00 - [10] If the price is plummeting because of a "nerf", then that's fine with me. Seriously, seeing 150 people in a system all flying Navy Ravens makes things very bland. I used to be proud to own one myself, but now it's no longer special. It's sad, really.

Ghengis Tia	Posted - 2008.12.04 15:46:00 - [11] Edited by: Ghengis Tia on 04/12/2008 15:48:28 The CCC I's have been supplanted by warhead rigs (rigor or flare), to give a better punch to BC's/Cruisers. The 3 CCC/XL Booster setup is going the way of the dodo bird since the nerf, as the overtank gimps the need for more gank. You might want to repackage the boat, destroying the rigs, and lower the price. That way it will at least move faster. My CNR w/3 WRC I's is still a heckuva mission runner, I have no complaints.....
Circle Caldari Eat Ship and Die	Posted - 2008.12.04 16:20:00 - [12] Rokh > Raven Testing
Ghoest	Posted - 2008.12.04 16:47:00 - [13] I just bought one for 335 mill. with no rigs. And 3 CCCs is not the cool rigging any more. The problem isnt the ship. The problem is your charging for the rigs but they are the wrong rigs. If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
4 LOM United Gamers	Posted - 2008.12.04 18:54:00 - [14] Did not read the thread or your whole post only the 3rd last line 3x CCC rigs.... Just because you fit the ship poorly does not mean other people want the same poorly fitted ship, why pay more for yours and have to strip out the poor choice in rigs when they can just get an unrigged one? Originally by: Twilight Moon of course you have nice hair. That pod goo, is actually VO5 conditioner.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.12.04 18:57:00 - [15] I like the fall in price of CNRs. At that price, I can afford to PvP in them. Which is nice. -- 249km locking?
Aiko Intaki	Posted - 2008.12.04 19:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Jazlina ... Do you think that the tank in the market is proof that the pve king has been nerfed and therefore lost its coveted spot as king? ... Just to stir the pot; the CNR hasn't been PvE king for some time now. It's more of a ghetto-golem, really...
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.12.04 19:58:00 - [17] Originally by: 4 LOM Did not read the thread or your whole post only the 3rd last line 3x CCC rigs.... Just because you fit the ship poorly does not mean other people want the same poorly fitted ship, why pay more for yours and have to strip out the poor choice in rigs when they can just get an unrigged one? Presumably those rigs were fit before the changes hit and where a very reasonable investment at the time. Personally, I find that you don't need that kind of cushion even on a standard raven before QR, but most raven pilots disagreed with me. Nevertheless, given that the CCC rigs are no longer optimal choices for the CNR, perhaps the ship would sell faster if it was being sold at a price representative of a stock standard CNR, since people will just jettison the rigs anyway if they're smart.
AnKahn Caldari The Giant Squid Corp.	Posted - 2008.12.04 20:07:00 - [18] Originally by: ElCoCo If anyone wants to get rid of his trimarked raven, I'll buy it Who would do something so crazy as that?
NoNah	Posted - 2008.12.04 20:09:00 - [19] Originally by: AnKahn Originally by: ElCoCo If anyone wants to get rid of his trimarked raven, I'll buy it Who would do something so crazy as that? What makes you think it's crazy? Armortanked ravens with ew in mids is excellent, especially in remote rep gangs... Parrots, commence! Postcount: 38216
Jonna Andromedae	Posted - 2008.12.04 20:58:00 - [20] Originally by: NoNah The cheapest CNR on contracts is 290 mil. The rigs are presumably fitted, not the cookie cutter setup and hence more or less worthless. So you're asking a 38% overprice, in a tradehub(Mind you not the most active one) and suprised it doesn't sell? Would you ask for 120 mil for a normal Raven and be suprised if it didn't sell? Price goes down, ppl are confused. Don't sell CNR's now. Wait untill they realise the wonderfull life of Caldari missioneer hasn't gone anywhere. Missiles - relaaaax mode

Tanith YarnDemon	Posted - 2008.12.04 21:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Jonna Andromedae Originally by: NoNah The cheapest CNR on contracts is 290 mil. The rigs are presumably fitted, not the cookie cutter setup and hence more or less worthless. So you're asking a 38% overprice, in a tradehub(Mind you not the most active one) and suprised it doesn't sell? Would you ask for 120 mil for a normal Raven and be suprised if it didn't sell? Price goes down, ppl are confused. Don't sell CNR's now. Wait untill they realise the wonderfull life of Caldari missioneer hasn't gone anywhere. Missiles - relaaaax mode Ironicly, those of us who used ravens to be omnipotent missionrunners, not just easy ones. The torp users are pretty much left behind. Using a CNR today, with torps, is really just pointless - in pve.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.12.04 21:27:00 - [22] So everybody is selling their 'uber mission runner king' ship now and you're whining because you can't sell it over their price? -----
The Vixen Coalition of Nations	Posted - 2008.12.04 21:30:00 - [23] This thread is LOL.
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.12.04 21:40:00 - [24] I'd say its more proof that the market finally hit saturation. Why the hell people continue to turn in LP for the things beggars the mind, the ISK/LP is just horrible. -------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn I prefer launching bathtubs of antimatter at my opponents over pointing an open DVD player at them, even if the bathtubs do miss a lot. So no.
Strak Yogorn Amarr Farmer Killers	Posted - 2008.12.04 21:41:00 - [25] Originally by: Jazlina I am selling it in Amarr, and for this region the price is appropriate. actually, if it was the right price, the cnr would have sold. you dont see the problem here ?
mad27k	Posted - 2008.12.04 21:52:00 - [26] err why do we need more proof when the patch notes state that missiles got nerfed? i dont see the problem...
Caiman Graystock Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.04 22:13:00 - [27] It has nothing to do with the patch. Get a book on economics.
Tanith YarnDemon	Posted - 2008.12.04 22:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Caiman Graystock It has nothing to do with the patch. Get a book on economics. Actually, that's quite amusing. I've read quite a few books and classes in several aspects of economics, including micro and macro, national and international, applied and theoretical. In my eyes the patch is the direct reason why the prices have gone down. Mind telling me how this is not so?
Raniss	Posted - 2008.12.04 22:19:00 - [29] Originally by: Tanith YarnDemon Originally by: Caiman Graystock It has nothing to do with the patch. Get a book on economics. Actually, that's quite amusing. I've read quite a few books and classes in several aspects of economics, including micro and macro, national and international, applied and theoretical. In my eyes the patch is the direct reason why the prices have gone down. Mind telling me how this is not so? Because every dumbass with no clue about gamemechanics is been told there was a missile nerf, so they all started selling their stuff?
Tanith YarnDemon	Posted - 2008.12.04 22:22:00 - [30] Edited by: Tanith YarnDemon on 04/12/2008 22:26:39 Originally by: Raniss Because every dumbass with no clue about gamemechanics is been told there was a missile nerf, so they all started selling their stuff? As long as they consider it a nerf, it is a nerf. And in most aspects, it is unarguably so. And how is the patch then not the origin to the cut in demand? And actually, since you bring it up, I'm one of the dumbasses that have been told it's a nerf. My torps now deal less damage to smaller targets. There is no direct compensation for it. Is it not a nerf?



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