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GTN A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.12.07 01:20:00 - [1] Where is my thread about sized webifiers??? Cant find it
Lombax	Posted - 2008.12.07 01:32:00 - [2] How the hell should we know?
Lombax	Posted - 2008.12.07 01:41:00 - [3] Originally by: GTN Edited by: GTN on 07/12/2008 01:37:38 Where is my thread about sized webifiers??? Cant find it However the idea was something about this: Webbers slow people not by a % of the top speed, but removing thrust from the victim ship, expressed in N. Frigate class webifier, cruiser class webifier and battleship class webifier: this last one is so powerful that can stop a frigate to 0m/s. I wanted to see what people thinkg about this, but cant find the thread Is it deleted? Why? I see a flaw in your idea. How can you know how many N's of thrust a ship has?
GTN A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.12.07 02:04:00 - [4] Originally by: Lombax Originally by: GTN Edited by: GTN on 07/12/2008 01:37:38 Where is my thread about sized webifiers??? Cant find it However the idea was something about this: Webbers slow people not by a % of the top speed, but removing thrust from the victim ship, expressed in N. Frigate class webifier, cruiser class webifier and battleship class webifier: this last one is so powerful that can stop a frigate to 0m/s. I wanted to see what people thinkg about this, but cant find the thread Is it deleted? Why? I see a flaw in your idea. How can you know how many N's of thrust a ship has? I dont know, but CCP knows for sure, as there is an indication of thrust, in N, for MWDs an ABs.
Tarron Sarek Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities	Posted - 2008.12.07 02:13:00 - [5] I think scripted webifiers would probably be a better solution. Could additionally be balanced with energy consumption (for range script probably) ___________________________________ Balance is power, ~~guard~~ hide it well "Ceterum censeo Polycarbonem esse delendam"
Lombax	Posted - 2008.12.07 02:13:00 - [6] And what will be the point of frigates if a battleship class webifier could stop a frigate to 0 m/s?
GTN A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.12.07 02:19:00 - [7] Edited by: GTN on 07/12/2008 02:20:26 Originally by: Lombax And what will be the point of frigates if a battleship class webifier could stop a frigate to 0 m/s? Actually if you 1v1 in BS vs Frigate, the frigate will win if no one comes to help the BS. Do you call it balanced? If you answer: they are tacklers, I answer: they can still do their job from 10km+.
Lombax	Posted - 2008.12.07 02:29:00 - [8] Originally by: GTN Edited by: GTN on 07/12/2008 02:20:26 Originally by: Lombax And what will be the point of frigates if a battleship class webifier could stop a frigate to 0 m/s? Actually if you 1v1 in BS vs Frigate, the frigate will win if no one comes to help the BS. Do you call it balanced? If you answer: they are tacklers, I answer: they can still do their job from 10km+. Can the frigate really win? I've heard 5 frigates vs 1 bs = bye bye bs.. but just one frigate vs 1 bs = bye bye bs... hard to believe. Correct me if im wrong, give an example of which bs and frigate you talk about.
GTN A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.12.07 02:39:00 - [9] Edited by: GTN on 07/12/2008 02:41:59 Edited by: GTN on 07/12/2008 02:40:31 Originally by: Lombax Originally by: GTN Edited by: GTN on 07/12/2008 02:20:26 Originally by: Lombax And what will be the point of frigates if a battleship class webifier could stop a frigate to 0 m/s? Actually if you 1v1 in BS vs Frigate, the frigate will win if no one comes to help the BS. Do you call it balanced? If you answer: they are tacklers, I answer: they can still do their job from 10km+. Can the frigate really win? I've heard 5 frigates vs 1 bs = bye bye bs.. but just one frigate vs 1 bs = bye bye bs... hard to believe. Correct me if im wrong, give an example of which bs and frigate you talk about. The BS wont kill the frigate, the frigate wont kill the BS. The difference is that the frigate can escape, the BS cant. If a frigate webber cant slow a BS so much, the BS maybe would be able to reach a gate and jump... so the frigate will have to wait 30 sec before being able to jump.
Tarron Sarek Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities	Posted - 2008.12.07 03:16:00 - [10] Originally by: GTN Actually if you 1v1 in BS vs Frigate, the frigate will win if no one comes to help the BS. Do you call it balanced? Erm, where did you get that from? Heavy Neut => dead frigate Light drones => dead frigate If the BS pilot has neither of those, it's his own fault, and even then the frigate still has to break his tank. Unless you're talking about very well skilled Assault Ships, which you should mention, because that's not your standard run-of-the-mill frigate. ___________________________________ Balance is power, ~~guard~~ hide it well "Ceterum censeo Polycarbonem esse delendam"
GTN A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.12.07 11:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Tarron Sarek Originally by: GTN Actually if you 1v1 in BS vs Frigate, the frigate will win if no one comes to help the BS. Do you call it balanced? Erm, where did you get that from? Heavy Neut => dead frigate Light drones => dead frigate If the BS pilot has neither of those, it's his own fault, and even then the frigate still has to break his tank. Unless you're talking about very well skilled Assault Ships, which you should mention, because that's not your standard run-of-the-mill frigate. Yes im talking about assault frigates. You can neut them to hell, but you still wont be able to kill them, you can try with 5 light t2 drones together with neuts, and you wont be able to kill them. They are just un-killable and overpowered.
DrDooma	Posted - 2008.12.07 11:16:00 - [12] By stopping frigate to 0km it guaranties its certain death making BS an ultimate 'i win' button against frigs and probably cruisers. However game mechanics of EVE are designed in such a way so as to prevent bigger is better situation from occurring. To put it into perspective, should a dreadnought size web also exists that would cause BS speed to fall to 0KM?
GTN A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.12.07 11:31:00 - [13] Edited by: GTN on 07/12/2008 11:31:55 Originally by: DrDooma By stopping frigate to 0km it guaranties its certain death making BS an ultimate 'i win' button against frigs and probably cruisers. However game mechanics of EVE are designed in such a way so as to prevent bigger is better situation from occurring. To put it into perspective, should a dreadnought size web also exists that would cause BS speed to fall to 0KM? You still dont understand. Sized webifiers wont make bigger ships better against small ones. It will only prevent small ships to stop (i'm talking about webifier, not scrambler) bigger ones. So, i repeat, it wont make the bigger the better, just not allow small ships to slow a bigger one. Smaller ships will be still un-killable, but at least the bigger will have 1 chance of escaping.
Infinion Caldari Retribution Enterprises Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.12.07 12:26:00 - [14] Originally by: GTN Edited by: GTN on 07/12/2008 11:31:55 Originally by: DrDooma By stopping frigate to 0km it guaranties its certain death making BS an ultimate 'i win' button against frigs and probably cruisers. However game mechanics of EVE are designed in such a way so as to prevent bigger is better situation from occurring. To put it into perspective, should a dreadnought size web also exists that would cause BS speed to fall to 0KM? You still dont understand. Sized webifiers wont make bigger ships better against small ones. It will only prevent small ships to stop (i'm talking about webifier, not scrambler) bigger ones. So, i repeat, it wont make the bigger the better, just not allow small ships to slow a bigger one. Smaller ships will be still un-killable, but at least the bigger will have 1 chance of escaping. so if I'm understanding this right, a battleship classed webifier will be able to stop a frigate completely, while a frigate classed webifier won't really do too much to a battleship? that sounds like it WILL make bigger ships better against smaller ones unless you mean that each webifier size will only work effectively with its own caliber
Spurty Caldari Technologic Dance	Posted - 2008.12.07 14:15:00 - [15] Edited by: Spurty on 07/12/2008 14:17:16 light drones on an assault frigate will kill it, eventually. Just, the af pilot should change their attention to the drones for the 3 mins it takes to kill em all. Most BS classed ships do not carry 'spare' light drones Anyway back on track with the web. I kind of see what you are trying to do and it would be weak enough (certainly not over shooting or uber) to have been possibly implemented. my suggestion for small, medium and large web mods was a bit too much of a change I think to even be considered :-/ Man goes to the doc, with a strawberry growing out of his head. Doc says "I'll give you some cream to put on it."
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.07 18:44:00 - [16] What would be the point of frigates, then? You only get so many slots on each ship. Battleships with their massive powergrid are meant to do the ganking and tanking for the fleet, and putting e-war modules on them is a waste of slots. Frigates and cruisers are best suited to e-war and tackling, because that's the way they can help the fleet best. You're asking CCP to nerf frigate e-war (as if the small # of slots wasn't enough of a limit) and to require battleships to carry e-war modules... I hope this suggestion comes with a couple extra mid-slots for my Armageddon... ............. Now recruiting like-minded pilots.
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.12.07 18:47:00 - [17] Originally by: GTN Where is my thread about sized webifiers??? Cant find it Found your old thread, it's here. Eve-search is your friend. Originally by: GTN Frigate class webifier, cruiser class webifier and battleship class webifier: this last one is so powerful that can stop a frigate to 0m/s. Originally by: GTN You still dont understand. Sized webifiers wont make bigger ships better against small ones. It will only prevent small ships to stop (i'm talking about webifier, not scrambler) bigger ones. So, i repeat, it wont make the bigger the better, just not allow small ships to slow a bigger one. Smaller ships will be still un-killable, but at least the bigger will have 1 chance of escaping. Think about this. If you were to engage a BS in an AF now and then just stop, the only reason you wouldn't be squished like a bug is that the BS may not assume you're a complete moron (and that you're playing mindgames or something). If you do stay still and he does open up on you, you die, unless he's completely lol-fit. If the BS has the ability to stop you dead and knows this, you're dead. Any turret BS can and will wipe the floor with an AF that can't dodge Large Turret fire. -------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn I prefer launching bathtubs of antimatter at my opponents over pointing an open DVD player at them, even if the bathtubs do miss a lot. So no.

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