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almightybig	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:29:00 - [1] 8)P
almightybig	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:29:00 - [2] 8)P
Carmen Priano	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:32:00 - [3] The exact date is.. (drumroll.) "when it's done."
Carmen Priano	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:32:00 - [4] The exact date is.. (drumroll.) "when it's done."
Solan	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:35:00 - [5] Nice wish almightybig. They did confirm though that they are still on schedule for a Q3 release. That means that we should have Shiva on our desktops and laptops no later than September 30.
Solan	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:35:00 - [6] Nice wish almightybig. They did confirm though that they are still on schedule for a Q3 release. That means that we should have Shiva on our desktops and laptops no later than September 30.
Hellena	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:36:00 - [7] hey be nice to ccp. bugs? yeah. deal with it. shiva? hold on its comming. in the mean time have fun and make money. Not Just Another Pretty Face La Maison Hostess
Hellena	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:36:00 - [8] hey be nice to ccp. bugs? yeah. deal with it. shiva? hold on its comming. in the mean time have fun and make money. Not Just Another Pretty Face La Maison Hostess
Crowley	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:40:00 - [9] Edited by: Crowley on 15/07/2004 15:42:16 Originally by: Carmen Priano The exact date is.. (drumroll.) "when it's done." nononononooooooo it's as everybody knows....... soon
Crowley	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:40:00 - [10] Edited by: Crowley on 15/07/2004 15:42:16 Originally by: Carmen Priano The exact date is.. (drumroll.) "when it's done." nononononooooooo it's as everybody knows....... soon
Hunting Master	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:40:00 - [11] Edited by: Hunting Master on 15/07/2004 15:41:48 Solan, you must be an dreamer... even if they make it until the 30th of Sept. there will be so many bugs that'll be unplayable for at least 2 maybe 3 days.....or at least server up......server down.....server up..... But i'll bet they won't make it for the sheduled date, never ever ! Who's taking ingame bets ?
Hunting Master	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:40:00 - [12] Edited by: Hunting Master on 15/07/2004 15:41:48 Solan, you must be an dreamer... even if they make it until the 30th of Sept. there will be so many bugs that'll be unplayable for at least 2 maybe 3 days.....or at least server up......server down.....server up..... But i'll bet they won't make it for the sheduled date, never ever ! Who's taking ingame bets ?
Harcole	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:41:00 - [13] Setember was the last date we were given.
Harcole	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:41:00 - [14] Setember was the last date we were given.
Little Miss	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:43:00 - [15] Originally by: almightybig 8)P You must be about 12 years old! Shut Up! Grow Up and just wait!!!! Its just a game! Be supportive or jump on the test servers and Bug hunt, any and everything you can do to help, will help! I'm sure CCP is doing their best! Come on Peeps, lets be supportive and not judgmental! It's a game!
Little Miss	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:43:00 - [16] Originally by: almightybig 8)P You must be about 12 years old! Shut Up! Grow Up and just wait!!!! Its just a game! Be supportive or jump on the test servers and Bug hunt, any and everything you can do to help, will help! I'm sure CCP is doing their best! Come on Peeps, lets be supportive and not judgmental! It's a game!
DoZ3r	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:46:00 - [17] We will all wait as long as it takes. I dont mind waiting untill tommorow
DoZ3r	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:46:00 - [18] We will all wait as long as it takes. I dont mind waiting untill tommorow
almightybig	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:53:00 - [19] Lil miss you stfu....I pay to play this game just like everyone else. I have a right to complain about ****ty service and a half finished product. I have been playing this game for more than a year now and it has come a long way for sure. But it's not good enough. I don't settle for mediocrity in RL why should I here? The dangling of the carrot trick is wearing off and its time to deliver. I'm sure alot of peeps have more than one account like myself. So $30/mo is alot to pay for empty promises and delayed patch releases.
almightybig	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:53:00 - [20] Lil miss you stfu....I pay to play this game just like everyone else. I have a right to complain about ****ty service and a half finished product. I have been playing this game for more than a year now and it has come a long way for sure. But it's not good enough. I don't settle for mediocrity in RL why should I here? The dangling of the carrot trick is wearing off and its time to deliver. I'm sure alot of peeps have more than one account like myself. So $30/mo is alot to pay for empty promises and delayed patch releases.
Solan	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Hunting Master Solan, you must be an dreamer... What can I say...look at my corp Seriously though, I have faith. I think they can do it. Now, Q3 officially ends midnight of September 30 and I am not saying that CCP will release it much earlier than that, but I still hold that it will be out sometime around there. So like some have said. Lets be motivational and not detrimental. We know CCP is working hard over there. I mean c'mon, look how much more stable the servers have been these last two weeks.
Solan	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Hunting Master Solan, you must be an dreamer... What can I say...look at my corp Seriously though, I have faith. I think they can do it. Now, Q3 officially ends midnight of September 30 and I am not saying that CCP will release it much earlier than that, but I still hold that it will be out sometime around there. So like some have said. Lets be motivational and not detrimental. We know CCP is working hard over there. I mean c'mon, look how much more stable the servers have been these last two weeks.
Hunting Master	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:57:00 - [23] True words allmighty..... even if we are 12 we have the right to complain... we pay, we cry....why not. The question is will this help? I complained many times about things which are senseless, has it helped? judge by yourself......
Hunting Master	Posted - 2004.07.15 15:57:00 - [24] True words allmighty..... even if we are 12 we have the right to complain... we pay, we cry....why not. The question is will this help? I complained many times about things which are senseless, has it helped? judge by yourself......
Carmen Priano	Posted - 2004.07.15 16:01:00 - [25] Well, the simple truth of the matter is that they aren't giving an exact date because they don't -have- an exact date for you. They're working on it as well as they can, but Shiva's fairly involved, code-wise -- and so a ballpark is all that can be given. It's just something you'll have to deal with. Hell, we all deal with it -- I want Shiva as much as the next person. I just know that I ought to remain calm about it, because getting ****y with CCP isn't going to help any.
Carmen Priano	Posted - 2004.07.15 16:01:00 - [26] Well, the simple truth of the matter is that they aren't giving an exact date because they don't -have- an exact date for you. They're working on it as well as they can, but Shiva's fairly involved, code-wise -- and so a ballpark is all that can be given. It's just something you'll have to deal with. Hell, we all deal with it -- I want Shiva as much as the next person. I just know that I ought to remain calm about it, because getting ****y with CCP isn't going to help any.
Harcole	Posted - 2004.07.15 16:09:00 - [27] Originally by: almightybig Lil miss you stfu....I pay to play this game just like everyone else. I have a right to complain about ****ty service and a half finished product. I have been playing this game for more than a year now and it has come a long way for sure. But it's not good enough. I don't settle for mediocrity in RL why should I here? The dangling of the carrot trick is wearing off and its time to deliver. I'm sure alot of peeps have more than one account like myself. So $30/mo is alot to pay for empty promises and delayed patch releases. Don't let the door hit you on the way out
Harcole	Posted - 2004.07.15 16:09:00 - [28] Originally by: almightybig Lil miss you stfu....I pay to play this game just like everyone else. I have a right to complain about ****ty service and a half finished product. I have been playing this game for more than a year now and it has come a long way for sure. But it's not good enough. I don't settle for mediocrity in RL why should I here? The dangling of the carrot trick is wearing off and its time to deliver. I'm sure alot of peeps have more than one account like myself. So $30/mo is alot to pay for empty promises and delayed patch releases. Don't let the door hit you on the way out
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.07.15 16:12:00 - [29] soo... someday I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.07.15 16:12:00 - [30] soo... someday I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.07.15 16:13:00 - [31] Originally by: Carmen Priano Well, the simple truth of the matter is that they aren't giving an exact date because they don't -have- an exact date for you. They're working on it as well as they can, but Shiva's fairly involved, code-wise -- and so a ballpark is all that can be given. It's just something you'll have to deal with. Hell, we all deal with it -- I want Shiva as much as the next person. I just know that I ought to remain calm about it, because getting **y with CCP isn't going to help any. EVOLUTION IN BED WITH DEVS!! ABUSE ABUSE!!****RAPE!! HELP HELP!! Reverend Necrona
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.07.15 16:13:00 - [32] Originally by: Carmen Priano Well, the simple truth of the matter is that they aren't giving an exact date because they don't -have- an exact date for you. They're working on it as well as they can, but Shiva's fairly involved, code-wise -- and so a ballpark is all that can be given. It's just something you'll have to deal with. Hell, we all deal with it -- I want Shiva as much as the next person. I just know that I ought to remain calm about it, because getting **y with CCP isn't going to help any. EVOLUTION IN BED WITH DEVS!! ABUSE ABUSE!!****RAPE!! HELP HELP!! Reverend Necrona
Jonny Damordred	Posted - 2004.07.15 16:27:00 - [33] Originally by: Carmen Priano Well, the simple truth of the matter is that they aren't giving an exact date because they don't -have- an exact date for you. They're working on it as well as they can, but Shiva's fairly involved, code-wise -- and so a ballpark is all that can be given. It's just something you'll have to deal with. Hell, we all deal with it -- I want Shiva as much as the next person. I just know that I ought to remain calm about it, because getting ****y with CCP isn't going to help any. That is just the way Programming (and other creative processes) work, now does anyone need any cheese with their whine? Cheers, Jonny D. ----- Jonny Damordred: Political attachÚ of the Drunken Horde.
Jonny Damordred	Posted - 2004.07.15 16:27:00 - [34] Originally by: Carmen Priano Well, the simple truth of the matter is that they aren't giving an exact date because they don't -have- an exact date for you. They're working on it as well as they can, but Shiva's fairly involved, code-wise -- and so a ballpark is all that can be given. It's just something you'll have to deal with. Hell, we all deal with it -- I want Shiva as much as the next person. I just know that I ought to remain calm about it, because getting ****y with CCP isn't going to help any. That is just the way Programming (and other creative processes) work, now does anyone need any cheese with their whine? Cheers, Jonny D. ----- Jonny Damordred: Political attachÚ of the Drunken Horde.
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.07.15 16:55:00 - [35] Originally by: Reverend Necrona EVOLUTION IN BED WITH DEVS!! ABUSE ABUSE!!******RAPE!! HELP HELP!! /me lifts up Rock. /me motions for nec to begin crawling. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.07.15 16:55:00 - [36] Originally by: Reverend Necrona EVOLUTION IN BED WITH DEVS!! ABUSE ABUSE!!******RAPE!! HELP HELP!! /me lifts up Rock. /me motions for nec to begin crawling. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Origim	Posted - 2004.07.15 17:00:00 - [37] Edited by: Origim on 15/07/2004 17:01:23 Originally by: Little Miss Originally by: almightybig 8)P You must be about 12 years old! Shut Up! Grow Up and just wait!!!! Its just a game! It just happens that people pay for this game, unlike other 'just games.' I'm sorry, but you have to consider that people pay $12-$15/mo. for this game... patience does wear out in that case. -------------- Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 \|
Origim	Posted - 2004.07.15 17:00:00 - [38] Edited by: Origim on 15/07/2004 17:01:23 Originally by: Little Miss Originally by: almightybig 8)P You must be about 12 years old! Shut Up! Grow Up and just wait!!!! Its just a game! It just happens that people pay for this game, unlike other 'just games.' I'm sorry, but you have to consider that people pay $12-$15/mo. for this game... patience does wear out in that case. -------------- Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 \|
Katya Detia	Posted - 2004.07.15 17:46:00 - [39] Originally by: almightybig Lil miss you stfu....I pay to play this game just like everyone else. I have a right to complain about ****ty service and a half finished product. I have been playing this game for more than a year now and it has come a long way for sure. But it's not good enough. I don't settle for mediocrity in RL why should I here? The dangling of the carrot trick is wearing off and its time to deliver. I'm sure alot of peeps have more than one account like myself. So $30/mo is alot to pay for empty promises and delayed patch releases. I hate people that say EvE is an "unfinished" game. EvE is an ever expanding game.. things change, get updated.. MMORPG's are a new direction for games... There are going to be errors along the way. This is the nature of MMORPG's. If you've ever played MMORGP's, u'd know that EvE isnt alone in its problems, but it does a damn lot better than most. EvE had an influx of new players. SO the devs had to work of sorting the server out, fixing bugs caused by the server changes. This delays the expansions... So.... What would you rather have?.. A working, stable server... or a messed server with more content.. ?.. I know what id pick.. Also CCP has stated that Shiva is comming in Q3... this is July - September. They have stated that it is on track... So play the game and wait. --------------------------- CEO: Black Sea Industries
Katya Detia	Posted - 2004.07.15 17:46:00 - [40] Originally by: almightybig Lil miss you stfu....I pay to play this game just like everyone else. I have a right to complain about ****ty service and a half finished product. I have been playing this game for more than a year now and it has come a long way for sure. But it's not good enough. I don't settle for mediocrity in RL why should I here? The dangling of the carrot trick is wearing off and its time to deliver. I'm sure alot of peeps have more than one account like myself. So $30/mo is alot to pay for empty promises and delayed patch releases. I hate people that say EvE is an "unfinished" game. EvE is an ever expanding game.. things change, get updated.. MMORPG's are a new direction for games... There are going to be errors along the way. This is the nature of MMORPG's. If you've ever played MMORGP's, u'd know that EvE isnt alone in its problems, but it does a damn lot better than most. EvE had an influx of new players. SO the devs had to work of sorting the server out, fixing bugs caused by the server changes. This delays the expansions... So.... What would you rather have?.. A working, stable server... or a messed server with more content.. ?.. I know what id pick.. Also CCP has stated that Shiva is comming in Q3... this is July - September. They have stated that it is on track... So play the game and wait. --------------------------- CEO: Black Sea Industries
Rotating Table	Posted - 2004.07.15 17:49:00 - [41] Soon, as in don't hold your breath. Or howabout cancel your account for a few months till they finish the game? It's been 6 months for me so far, and I'm not going to be coming back for another 6 I presume.
Rotating Table	Posted - 2004.07.15 17:49:00 - [42] Soon, as in don't hold your breath. Or howabout cancel your account for a few months till they finish the game? It's been 6 months for me so far, and I'm not going to be coming back for another 6 I presume.
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.15 17:54:00 - [43] Originally by: Origim It just happens that people pay for this game, unlike other 'just games.' I'm sorry, but you have to consider that people pay $12-$15/mo. for this game... patience does wear out in that case. You quite obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Look at every other decent MMORPG out there, you have to pay for them too. And all the same complaints are there also. So, if you don't like it, feel free to try to go elsewhere. It'll always be the same. And $12-$15/mo is peanuts, really. Given the average salary in my area, (approx. $85,000 - $100,000 a year) this isn't even a noticeable droplet in the bucket. If anything, they should raise the monthly fee as a cover charge to keep out the riffraff.
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.15 17:54:00 - [44] Originally by: Origim It just happens that people pay for this game, unlike other 'just games.' I'm sorry, but you have to consider that people pay $12-$15/mo. for this game... patience does wear out in that case. You quite obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Look at every other decent MMORPG out there, you have to pay for them too. And all the same complaints are there also. So, if you don't like it, feel free to try to go elsewhere. It'll always be the same. And $12-$15/mo is peanuts, really. Given the average salary in my area, (approx. $85,000 - $100,000 a year) this isn't even a noticeable droplet in the bucket. If anything, they should raise the monthly fee as a cover charge to keep out the riffraff.
Kitten Hearder	Posted - 2004.07.15 17:56:00 - [45] Originally by: almightybig CCP, Give us an exact date for SHIVA rollout. --------- Kitten Hearder Evolution made my sig Less Entertaining than your's.
Kitten Hearder	Posted - 2004.07.15 17:56:00 - [46] Originally by: almightybig CCP, Give us an exact date for SHIVA rollout. --------- Kitten Hearder Evolution made my sig Less Entertaining than your's.
Francisco D'Anconia	Posted - 2004.07.15 17:58:00 - [47] Edited by: Francisco D'Anconia on 15/07/2004 18:00:03 And welcome to the real world, where people understand that it is almost impossible to predict the end date of any project with much accuracy, people understand that demanding something doesn't get you anywhere, and people understand that throwing your toys out of the pram just means that you get you toys given back to you and you get told "there there, never mind" and no one listens to you. I think Harcole said it best, so I'll repeat it... don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Francisco D'Anconia	Posted - 2004.07.15 17:58:00 - [48] Edited by: Francisco D'Anconia on 15/07/2004 18:00:03 And welcome to the real world, where people understand that it is almost impossible to predict the end date of any project with much accuracy, people understand that demanding something doesn't get you anywhere, and people understand that throwing your toys out of the pram just means that you get you toys given back to you and you get told "there there, never mind" and no one listens to you. I think Harcole said it best, so I'll repeat it... don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Solan	Posted - 2004.07.15 17:59:00 - [49] Originally by: Attrael Originally by: Origim It just happens that people pay for this game, unlike other 'just games.' I'm sorry, but you have to consider that people pay $12-$15/mo. for this game... patience does wear out in that case. You quite obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Look at every other decent MMORPG out there, you have to pay for them too. And all the same complaints are there also. So, if you don't like it, feel free to try to go elsewhere. It'll always be the same. And $12-$15/mo is peanuts, really. Given the average salary in my area, (approx. $85,000 - $100,000 a year) this isn't even a noticeable droplet in the bucket. If anything, they should raise the monthly fee as a cover charge to keep out the riffraff. Not everyone lives in your area.... For instance I can see how a teenager like myself might see this as a relatively large piece of their income. When I am older, though, I am gonna live in an area better than yours.
Solan	Posted - 2004.07.15 17:59:00 - [50] Originally by: Attrael Originally by: Origim It just happens that people pay for this game, unlike other 'just games.' I'm sorry, but you have to consider that people pay $12-$15/mo. for this game... patience does wear out in that case. You quite obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Look at every other decent MMORPG out there, you have to pay for them too. And all the same complaints are there also. So, if you don't like it, feel free to try to go elsewhere. It'll always be the same. And $12-$15/mo is peanuts, really. Given the average salary in my area, (approx. $85,000 - $100,000 a year) this isn't even a noticeable droplet in the bucket. If anything, they should raise the monthly fee as a cover charge to keep out the riffraff. Not everyone lives in your area.... For instance I can see how a teenager like myself might see this as a relatively large piece of their income. When I am older, though, I am gonna live in an area better than yours.
Carmen Priano	Posted - 2004.07.15 18:14:00 - [51] As a college student, $12 a month cuts into my soda-and-pizza fund. ;) However, I also realize that, were I not playing EVE and spending that $12 monthly, I'd probably end up buying other games -- and buying even one new game every two months would be markedly more expensive. $60/2 months = $30 per month > $12 per month, or $24 per month in the case of two accounts. :p So -- I play EVE, instead of, say, buying Farcry or the latest CRPG. And y'know what? I'm pretty happy with this solution.
Carmen Priano	Posted - 2004.07.15 18:14:00 - [52] As a college student, $12 a month cuts into my soda-and-pizza fund. ;) However, I also realize that, were I not playing EVE and spending that $12 monthly, I'd probably end up buying other games -- and buying even one new game every two months would be markedly more expensive. $60/2 months = $30 per month > $12 per month, or $24 per month in the case of two accounts. :p So -- I play EVE, instead of, say, buying Farcry or the latest CRPG. And y'know what? I'm pretty happy with this solution.
Origim	Posted - 2004.07.15 18:20:00 - [53] Edited by: Origim on 15/07/2004 18:27:32 Originally by: Attrael Originally by: Origim It just happens that people pay for this game, unlike other 'just games.' I'm sorry, but you have to consider that people pay $12-$15/mo. for this game... patience does wear out in that case. You quite obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Look at every other decent MMORPG out there, you have to pay for them too. And all the same complaints are there also. So, if you don't like it, feel free to try to go elsewhere. It'll always be the same. And $12-$15/mo is peanuts, really. Given the average salary in my area, (approx. $85,000 - $100,000 a year) this isn't even a noticeable droplet in the bucket. If anything, they should raise the monthly fee as a cover charge to keep out the riffraff. So, you earn 100k/year and have no idea how business works? If you rase the montly charge of EvE, it will be high above the standard monthly charge changed for a MMORPG. Many people will quit and EvE will close. Also, not everyone lives in the U.S. and earns 100k/year, aswell as not everyone is out of college/school. One thinks that if you earn 100k/year you would know that. Are you sure its not your dad that earns the money and you are not the one who is leeching them? No, I'm not flaming, I'm just stating the impression I got. -------------- Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 \|
Origim	Posted - 2004.07.15 18:20:00 - [54] Edited by: Origim on 15/07/2004 18:27:32 Originally by: Attrael Originally by: Origim It just happens that people pay for this game, unlike other 'just games.' I'm sorry, but you have to consider that people pay $12-$15/mo. for this game... patience does wear out in that case. You quite obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Look at every other decent MMORPG out there, you have to pay for them too. And all the same complaints are there also. So, if you don't like it, feel free to try to go elsewhere. It'll always be the same. And $12-$15/mo is peanuts, really. Given the average salary in my area, (approx. $85,000 - $100,000 a year) this isn't even a noticeable droplet in the bucket. If anything, they should raise the monthly fee as a cover charge to keep out the riffraff. So, you earn 100k/year and have no idea how business works? If you rase the montly charge of EvE, it will be high above the standard monthly charge changed for a MMORPG. Many people will quit and EvE will close. Also, not everyone lives in the U.S. and earns 100k/year, aswell as not everyone is out of college/school. One thinks that if you earn 100k/year you would know that. Are you sure its not your dad that earns the money and you are not the one who is leeching them? No, I'm not flaming, I'm just stating the impression I got. -------------- Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 \|
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.15 18:29:00 - [55] Edited by: Attrael on 15/07/2004 18:31:14 Originally by: Origim So, you earn 100k/year and have no idea how business works? If you rase the montly charge of EvE, it will be high above the standard monthly charge changed for a MMORPG. Many people will quit and EvE will close. It seems you haven't learned to recognize sarcasm, of which my last statement was covered pretty thick. (See the little 'winky' face after the comment?) So you appear to not know what you are talking about again. And you don't need to live in the US to have a high income. You just need to learn how to effectively climb over other people to reach the top.
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.15 18:29:00 - [56] Edited by: Attrael on 15/07/2004 18:31:14 Originally by: Origim So, you earn 100k/year and have no idea how business works? If you rase the montly charge of EvE, it will be high above the standard monthly charge changed for a MMORPG. Many people will quit and EvE will close. It seems you haven't learned to recognize sarcasm, of which my last statement was covered pretty thick. (See the little 'winky' face after the comment?) So you appear to not know what you are talking about again. And you don't need to live in the US to have a high income. You just need to learn how to effectively climb over other people to reach the top.
Galk	Posted - 2004.07.15 19:03:00 - [57] Riff Raff huh.... Percentage of the eve playing population earning 100k a year or more anyone..... Probaly about the amount of people with 4 acounts acording to eve i. Not that im using that as a compare. Hell im just mad i guess, and NO it's not because i don't earn 100k a year, i chose my career, something i was happy doing.... Guess im consigned to being riff raff.... Or i could just live of my family... Most of which earn considerbly more than the 'people in your area' But i don't like my family, they look down on folk, bit like you at a guess. I just don't like that, but hey money doesn't make decent people.... But 15 bucks isn't an awful lot to pay compared to other things in life you would likely spend that money if you were not playing eve most nights... Roll on Shiva.... Soon. ------------------------ ---- Little wonder why people were, what this person was telling my friends: http://galk.50megs.com/logs/
Galk	Posted - 2004.07.15 19:03:00 - [58] Riff Raff huh.... Percentage of the eve playing population earning 100k a year or more anyone..... Probaly about the amount of people with 4 acounts acording to eve i. Not that im using that as a compare. Hell im just mad i guess, and NO it's not because i don't earn 100k a year, i chose my career, something i was happy doing.... Guess im consigned to being riff raff.... Or i could just live of my family... Most of which earn considerbly more than the 'people in your area' But i don't like my family, they look down on folk, bit like you at a guess. I just don't like that, but hey money doesn't make decent people.... But 15 bucks isn't an awful lot to pay compared to other things in life you would likely spend that money if you were not playing eve most nights... Roll on Shiva.... Soon. ------------------------ ---- Little wonder why people were, what this person was telling my friends: http://galk.50megs.com/logs/
kieron	Posted - 2004.07.15 19:17:00 - [59] Unless there are problems that force a push-back on the release, Shiva will be released on or before 30 Sept. I can't give you a specific date other than the end of Q3 because one isn't available. It's not an attempt to "jerk anyone around", it is the nature of the business. Shiva is an immense undertaking, not only for the introduction of content and features, and changes to the game, but the sheer amount of code. The Devs and Programmers are already putting in lots of extra time to work on current bugs and code Shiva in an effort to hit the release target. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
kieron	Posted - 2004.07.15 19:17:00 - [60] Unless there are problems that force a push-back on the release, Shiva will be released on or before 30 Sept. I can't give you a specific date other than the end of Q3 because one isn't available. It's not an attempt to "jerk anyone around", it is the nature of the business. Shiva is an immense undertaking, not only for the introduction of content and features, and changes to the game, but the sheer amount of code. The Devs and Programmers are already putting in lots of extra time to work on current bugs and code Shiva in an effort to hit the release target. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.15 19:35:00 - [61] Originally by: Galk But i don't like my family, they look down on folk, bit like you at a guess. Heh. Bitter much? If you'll re-examine the post you are referring to, you'll note that there is a 'winky' () icon after it. Usually such icons are made after statements that were not serious and intended as a joke. Since you haven't been able to figure it out on your own, the following is the definition of 'joke'. Joke (noun) 1. Something said or done to evoke laughter or amusement, especially an amusing story with a punch line. 2. A mischievous trick; a prank. 3. An amusing or ludicrous incident or situation. Definitions 1 and 3 seem applicable to my statement regarding 'raising the price to keep out the riffraff' comment. In fact, a Calvin and Hobbes connoisseur might recognize the line as being a quote from one of those comics that I borrowed for my post. Not much I can do about those who try to take offense at everything. Though I would suggest possibly seeking a doctor. It's evident that you have some unresolved anger issues between yourself and your family that you should have addressed before you spend too much time 'online'.
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.15 19:35:00 - [62] Originally by: Galk But i don't like my family, they look down on folk, bit like you at a guess. Heh. Bitter much? If you'll re-examine the post you are referring to, you'll note that there is a 'winky' () icon after it. Usually such icons are made after statements that were not serious and intended as a joke. Since you haven't been able to figure it out on your own, the following is the definition of 'joke'. Joke (noun) 1. Something said or done to evoke laughter or amusement, especially an amusing story with a punch line. 2. A mischievous trick; a prank. 3. An amusing or ludicrous incident or situation. Definitions 1 and 3 seem applicable to my statement regarding 'raising the price to keep out the riffraff' comment. In fact, a Calvin and Hobbes connoisseur might recognize the line as being a quote from one of those comics that I borrowed for my post. Not much I can do about those who try to take offense at everything. Though I would suggest possibly seeking a doctor. It's evident that you have some unresolved anger issues between yourself and your family that you should have addressed before you spend too much time 'online'.
The Drip	Posted - 2004.07.15 19:35:00 - [63] Originally by: kieron Unless there are problems that force a push-back on the release, Shiva will be released on or before 30 Sept. So you're telling us it will be at least mid-October then, right?
The Drip	Posted - 2004.07.15 19:35:00 - [64] Originally by: kieron Unless there are problems that force a push-back on the release, Shiva will be released on or before 30 Sept. So you're telling us it will be at least mid-October then, right?
loladoll	Posted - 2004.07.15 20:32:00 - [65] Quote: Percentage of the eve playing population earning 100k a year or more anyone..... hmm, before or after taxes, social security,...? ______________________________________ live is tough and then you get a clone
loladoll	Posted - 2004.07.15 20:32:00 - [66] Quote: Percentage of the eve playing population earning 100k a year or more anyone..... hmm, before or after taxes, social security,...? ______________________________________ live is tough and then you get a clone
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.07.15 20:39:00 - [67] Yeah, over in most European countries dont rich people only take home like 1% of thier earnings or something? _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.07.15 20:39:00 - [68] Yeah, over in most European countries dont rich people only take home like 1% of thier earnings or something? _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.15 20:57:00 - [69] And I won't even go into that silly online gaming tax they have over there.
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.15 20:57:00 - [70] And I won't even go into that silly online gaming tax they have over there.
Kel Shek	Posted - 2004.07.15 21:33:00 - [71] lol, you don't need to make 100k a year for $15 a month to be a very cheap form of entertainment... seriously... make a rough estimate of how many hours a week you play, don't have to be specific. call that number P. call C the monthly fee in your currency. and H will be how much the game costs you per entertainment hour. now (P4)/C = H or to make the point even more, pretend its 2 accounts, so 2(P4)/C = H now if you can come up with a form of entertainment that is more modern then... oh, say kick the can, that is cheaper, I wanna hear about it. especially if you can get as many hours out of it as you can an MMO. MMO's are a phenomenally cheap form of entertainment, really. and if you can afford a decent enough computer to play, and an internet connection enough to play... I could have played EQ or UO or something when they were somewhat new, and I was a teenager then.... but I was too lazy to make the money to pay for it. I could have done it, I just didn't feel like it. how much do you really want to play, and how much should you be spending time on games, if its really a burden to pay that much? ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Kel Shek	Posted - 2004.07.15 21:33:00 - [72] lol, you don't need to make 100k a year for $15 a month to be a very cheap form of entertainment... seriously... make a rough estimate of how many hours a week you play, don't have to be specific. call that number P. call C the monthly fee in your currency. and H will be how much the game costs you per entertainment hour. now (P4)/C = H or to make the point even more, pretend its 2 accounts, so 2(P4)/C = H now if you can come up with a form of entertainment that is more modern then... oh, say kick the can, that is cheaper, I wanna hear about it. especially if you can get as many hours out of it as you can an MMO. MMO's are a phenomenally cheap form of entertainment, really. and if you can afford a decent enough computer to play, and an internet connection enough to play... I could have played EQ or UO or something when they were somewhat new, and I was a teenager then.... but I was too lazy to make the money to pay for it. I could have done it, I just didn't feel like it. how much do you really want to play, and how much should you be spending time on games, if its really a burden to pay that much? ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
XeQtR	Posted - 2004.07.15 21:41:00 - [73] Quote: Yeah, over in most European countries dont rich people only take home like 1% of thier earnings or something? Don't all americans live exclusivly on hamburgers? Next kliche please To clarify. No they don't We have high income taxes, sure but no 99%. I pay about 28%. High? absolutelly. Not quite the numbers you seem to have heard though
XeQtR	Posted - 2004.07.15 21:41:00 - [74] Quote: Yeah, over in most European countries dont rich people only take home like 1% of thier earnings or something? Don't all americans live exclusivly on hamburgers? Next kliche please To clarify. No they don't We have high income taxes, sure but no 99%. I pay about 28%. High? absolutelly. Not quite the numbers you seem to have heard though
Lao Tzu	Posted - 2004.07.15 21:45:00 - [75] Quote: now if you can come up with a form of entertainment that is more modern then... oh, say kick the can, that is cheaper, I wanna hear about it. Playing online FPS or RTS games
Lao Tzu	Posted - 2004.07.15 21:45:00 - [76] Quote: now if you can come up with a form of entertainment that is more modern then... oh, say kick the can, that is cheaper, I wanna hear about it. Playing online FPS or RTS games
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.07.15 21:46:00 - [77] Don't harass the devs, you wouldn't want them to release something that doesn't work would you? Better to wait a little longer than to stare at black screen for a week.
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.07.15 21:46:00 - [78] Don't harass the devs, you wouldn't want them to release something that doesn't work would you? Better to wait a little longer than to stare at black screen for a week.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.15 21:50:00 - [79] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Don't harass the devs, you wouldn't want them to release something that doesn't work would you? Better to wait a little longer than to stare at black screen for a week. Amen. I REALLy don't mind waiting for Shiva to be released as long as the number of bugs is minimal. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.15 21:50:00 - [80] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Don't harass the devs, you wouldn't want them to release something that doesn't work would you? Better to wait a little longer than to stare at black screen for a week. Amen. I REALLy don't mind waiting for Shiva to be released as long as the number of bugs is minimal. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2004.07.15 21:58:00 - [81] An old quote from an ancient yet similar thread ... Quote: DUDE... get off the Dev's. They don't bother you at work do they? No, they step to the side and wait for the fries to finish cooking like everyone else. MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2004.07.15 21:58:00 - [82] An old quote from an ancient yet similar thread ... Quote: DUDE... get off the Dev's. They don't bother you at work do they? No, they step to the side and wait for the fries to finish cooking like everyone else. MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
NeoMorph	Posted - 2004.07.15 22:03:00 - [83] I'd rather CCP take their time and give us a stable release than give us Shiva before it is really ready for publishing to Tranquility. Sometimes people moaning about devs not hitting release timetables makes me sick... Look at Half Life 2... Now looks to being put back until next year. My advice? Learn a little patience... ------------------------------------------- <Stavros> the first motor bike i ever rode <Stavros> was a honda gold wing <Ak-Gara> hah <Stavros>
NeoMorph	Posted - 2004.07.15 22:03:00 - [84] I'd rather CCP take their time and give us a stable release than give us Shiva before it is really ready for publishing to Tranquility. Sometimes people moaning about devs not hitting release timetables makes me sick... Look at Half Life 2... Now looks to being put back until next year. My advice? Learn a little patience... ------------------------------------------- <Stavros> the first motor bike i ever rode <Stavros> was a honda gold wing <Ak-Gara> hah <Stavros>
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2004.07.15 22:14:00 - [85] Originally by: MOOstradamus An old quote from an ancient yet similar thread ... Quote: DUDE... get off the Dev's. They don't bother you at work do they? No, they step to the side and wait for the fries to finish cooking like everyone else. that's ebil moo :P
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2004.07.15 22:14:00 - [86] Originally by: MOOstradamus An old quote from an ancient yet similar thread ... Quote: DUDE... get off the Dev's. They don't bother you at work do they? No, they step to the side and wait for the fries to finish cooking like everyone else. that's ebil moo :P
Taurequis	Posted - 2004.07.15 22:34:00 - [87] Originally by: Carmen Priano As a college student, $12 a month cuts into my soda-and-pizza fund. ;) However, I also realize that, were I not playing EVE and spending that $12 monthly, I'd probably end up buying other games -- and buying even one new game every two months would be markedly more expensive. $60/2 months = $30 per month > $12 per month, or $24 per month in the case of two accounts. :p So -- I play EVE, instead of, say, buying Farcry or the latest CRPG. And y'know what? I'm pretty happy with this solution. I fall into this catagory. I am/was one of those gamers who would buy cough download a game and complete it within a couple of days/weeks. I chose EVE to play from before beta for the vision of what this game will be...and frankly im prepared to wait for it. And hell im gonna have a 20 million sp advantage when the rest of the world finds out what CCP have created. Taurequis
Taurequis	Posted - 2004.07.15 22:34:00 - [88] Originally by: Carmen Priano As a college student, $12 a month cuts into my soda-and-pizza fund. ;) However, I also realize that, were I not playing EVE and spending that $12 monthly, I'd probably end up buying other games -- and buying even one new game every two months would be markedly more expensive. $60/2 months = $30 per month > $12 per month, or $24 per month in the case of two accounts. :p So -- I play EVE, instead of, say, buying Farcry or the latest CRPG. And y'know what? I'm pretty happy with this solution. I fall into this catagory. I am/was one of those gamers who would buy cough download a game and complete it within a couple of days/weeks. I chose EVE to play from before beta for the vision of what this game will be...and frankly im prepared to wait for it. And hell im gonna have a 20 million sp advantage when the rest of the world finds out what CCP have created. Taurequis
Pitwebb	Posted - 2004.07.16 14:25:00 - [89] I'd rather have to wait for an extended release date for Shiva than sit there swearing at my PC because I cannot login. Devs, take your time. Please.
Pitwebb	Posted - 2004.07.16 14:25:00 - [90] I'd rather have to wait for an extended release date for Shiva than sit there swearing at my PC because I cannot login. Devs, take your time. Please.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.07.16 14:35:00 - [91] Shiva is not a point in time but a generation of the eve evoloution. notice that Faction ships have started coming in and u can find mining npcs to. these r on shiva feature page and sujests to me that shiva has already started being introduced. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.07.16 14:35:00 - [92] Shiva is not a point in time but a generation of the eve evoloution. notice that Faction ships have started coming in and u can find mining npcs to. these r on shiva feature page and sujests to me that shiva has already started being introduced. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Little Miss	Posted - 2004.07.16 14:52:00 - [93] Originally by: almightybig Lil miss you stfu....I pay to play this game just like everyone else. I have a right to complain about ****ty service and a half finished product. I have been playing this game for more than a year now and it has come a long way for sure. But it's not good enough. I don't settle for mediocrity in RL why should I here? The dangling of the carrot trick is wearing off and its time to deliver. I'm sure alot of peeps have more than one account like myself. So $30/mo is alot to pay for empty promises and delayed patch releases. Well ya got your date! You are the Man! So when they change the date are we going to see another one of your posts complaining again? If something like this causes so much pain and anger in your life, maybe go find another game!
Little Miss	Posted - 2004.07.16 14:52:00 - [94] Originally by: almightybig Lil miss you stfu....I pay to play this game just like everyone else. I have a right to complain about ****ty service and a half finished product. I have been playing this game for more than a year now and it has come a long way for sure. But it's not good enough. I don't settle for mediocrity in RL why should I here? The dangling of the carrot trick is wearing off and its time to deliver. I'm sure alot of peeps have more than one account like myself. So $30/mo is alot to pay for empty promises and delayed patch releases. Well ya got your date! You are the Man! So when they change the date are we going to see another one of your posts complaining again? If something like this causes so much pain and anger in your life, maybe go find another game!
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2004.07.16 14:56:00 - [95] Originally by: Del Narveux Yeah, over in most European countries dont rich people only take home like 1% of thier earnings or something? and over in america dont u have to pay **** loads in health insurance? the NHS may not be perfect but atleast i dont have to insure myself Forums: Sharks - MC
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2004.07.16 14:56:00 - [96] Originally by: Del Narveux Yeah, over in most European countries dont rich people only take home like 1% of thier earnings or something? and over in america dont u have to pay **** loads in health insurance? the NHS may not be perfect but atleast i dont have to insure myself Forums: Sharks - MC
HideeHo	Posted - 2004.07.16 15:02:00 - [97] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Del Narveux Yeah, over in most European countries dont rich people only take home like 1% of thier earnings or something? and over in america dont u have to pay **** loads in health insurance? the NHS may not be perfect but atleast i dont have to insure myself Ya, we pay out the ass for insurance here! And it keeps going up and up and up!
HideeHo	Posted - 2004.07.16 15:02:00 - [98] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Del Narveux Yeah, over in most European countries dont rich people only take home like 1% of thier earnings or something? and over in america dont u have to pay **** loads in health insurance? the NHS may not be perfect but atleast i dont have to insure myself Ya, we pay out the ass for insurance here! And it keeps going up and up and up!
meowcat	Posted - 2004.07.16 15:02:00 - [99] Originally by: Del Narveux Yeah, over in most European countries dont rich people only take home like 1% of thier earnings or something? it's still more than your paper-round mate ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
meowcat	Posted - 2004.07.16 15:02:00 - [100] Originally by: Del Narveux Yeah, over in most European countries dont rich people only take home like 1% of thier earnings or something? it's still more than your paper-round mate ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.07.16 15:16:00 - [101] Students around here get +/-$50 a month from the government to help their "study"... --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.07.16 15:16:00 - [102] Students around here get +/-$50 a month from the government to help their "study"... --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Solan	Posted - 2004.07.16 16:28:00 - [103] Originally by: Barth3zzzNL Students around here get +/-$50 a month from the government to help their "study"... Where is "around here"? Just curious because I get no money and I pay out the wazoo for my education.
Solan	Posted - 2004.07.16 16:28:00 - [104] Originally by: Barth3zzzNL Students around here get +/-$50 a month from the government to help their "study"... Where is "around here"? Just curious because I get no money and I pay out the wazoo for my education.
Lansfear	Posted - 2004.07.16 18:04:00 - [105] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Don't harass the devs, you wouldn't want them to release something that doesn't work would you? Better to wait a little longer than to stare at black screen for a week. Amen. I REALLy don't mind waiting for Shiva to be released as long as the number of bugs is minimal. Agreed.
Lansfear	Posted - 2004.07.16 18:04:00 - [106] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Don't harass the devs, you wouldn't want them to release something that doesn't work would you? Better to wait a little longer than to stare at black screen for a week. Amen. I REALLy don't mind waiting for Shiva to be released as long as the number of bugs is minimal. Agreed.
almightybig	Posted - 2004.07.16 19:00:00 - [107] thats great you don't have to pay for insurance Eyeshadow. But what in the hell does that have to do with Shiva and its release date? Nothing! Find another thread to post on you forum hog. And Lil Miss, if they change the release date again I will complain again. Its my right. and I also want Shiva to be as bug-free as possible when it is released but we all know that that is impossible task to accomplish. There will be many bugs I'm sure; nature of the beast I guess. I guess I just don't understand why they couldn't have been more prepared for Shiva since it has been in the works for at least a year or more.( in the works would also include concept stage)
almightybig	Posted - 2004.07.16 19:00:00 - [108] thats great you don't have to pay for insurance Eyeshadow. But what in the hell does that have to do with Shiva and its release date? Nothing! Find another thread to post on you forum hog. And Lil Miss, if they change the release date again I will complain again. Its my right. and I also want Shiva to be as bug-free as possible when it is released but we all know that that is impossible task to accomplish. There will be many bugs I'm sure; nature of the beast I guess. I guess I just don't understand why they couldn't have been more prepared for Shiva since it has been in the works for at least a year or more.( in the works would also include concept stage)
Auman	Posted - 2004.07.16 19:53:00 - [109] Quote: I also want Shiva to be as bug-free as possible when it is released but we all know that that is impossible task to accomplish. that actually is possible. People certainly have a right to complain but what's the point in slating the devs?
Auman	Posted - 2004.07.16 19:53:00 - [110] Quote: I also want Shiva to be as bug-free as possible when it is released but we all know that that is impossible task to accomplish. that actually is possible. People certainly have a right to complain but what's the point in slating the devs?
Spacer Cowboy	Posted - 2004.07.17 12:55:00 - [111] I for one say FINALLY on having a less vague time frame than Q3-its very difficult to plan for the future without a specific date in mind. For those of you wishing for aq bug freer version if you be patient DREAM ON!! I predict we will still have after math from shiva release for Xmas.
Spacer Cowboy	Posted - 2004.07.17 12:55:00 - [112] I for one say FINALLY on having a less vague time frame than Q3-its very difficult to plan for the future without a specific date in mind. For those of you wishing for aq bug freer version if you be patient DREAM ON!! I predict we will still have after math from shiva release for Xmas.
Managalar	Posted - 2004.07.17 13:57:00 - [113] Originally by: kieron Unless there are problems that force a push-back on the release, Shiva will be released on or before 30 Sept. Thank you. I hope you guys can make the target. =======Abaddon======= =======Abaddon=======
Managalar	Posted - 2004.07.17 13:57:00 - [114] Originally by: kieron Unless there are problems that force a push-back on the release, Shiva will be released on or before 30 Sept. Thank you. I hope you guys can make the target. =======Abaddon======= =======Abaddon=======
Alynthir	Posted - 2004.07.17 15:31:00 - [115] Castor = Tech 2 Can I have a Tech 2 Tachyon now? Please?? No? How about a Tech 2 small Medium Beam laser for my Crusader? I only have like almost 30k research points in Laser Physics, you know. _____ CLS Civil Affairs Bureau "Permanent = Today's Plan." Training: Noob Instructor Level 5
Alynthir	Posted - 2004.07.17 15:31:00 - [116] Castor = Tech 2 Can I have a Tech 2 Tachyon now? Please?? No? How about a Tech 2 small Medium Beam laser for my Crusader? I only have like almost 30k research points in Laser Physics, you know. _____ CLS Civil Affairs Bureau "Permanent = Today's Plan." Training: Noob Instructor Level 5
Lan2	Posted - 2004.07.17 16:22:00 - [117] Originally by: Barth3zzzNL Students around here get +/-$50 a month from the government to help their "study"... WHERE?!?!? Thats a nice ammount for my pizza/soda/BEER funds.... Anyhow - I can't wait for Shiva, but I can wait for Shiva to be less buggy... And yes, we all know that some bugs will make it through - but the less the better, and the less time it will take to fix it once we recieve it anyhow.
Lan2	Posted - 2004.07.17 16:22:00 - [118] Originally by: Barth3zzzNL Students around here get +/-$50 a month from the government to help their "study"... WHERE?!?!? Thats a nice ammount for my pizza/soda/BEER funds.... Anyhow - I can't wait for Shiva, but I can wait for Shiva to be less buggy... And yes, we all know that some bugs will make it through - but the less the better, and the less time it will take to fix it once we recieve it anyhow.
Velsharoon	Posted - 2004.07.17 18:08:00 - [119] Come to the UK for interest free loans, mine will be 2000 per year (and I probabaly wont have to pay any back, thank god for socialism :P) Vels
Velsharoon	Posted - 2004.07.17 18:08:00 - [120] Come to the UK for interest free loans, mine will be 2000 per year (and I probabaly wont have to pay any back, thank god for socialism :P) Vels
MrBinary	Posted - 2004.07.17 18:11:00 - [121] Originally by: Reverend Necrona EVOLUTION IN BED WITH DEVS!! ABUSE ABUSE!!******RAPE!! HELP HELP!! Is there room in there for me? On a side note...Sept 1 is my B-Day...that sounds like a good day for Shiva... Waiting patiently, MrBinary "[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary"
MrBinary	Posted - 2004.07.17 18:11:00 - [122] Originally by: Reverend Necrona EVOLUTION IN BED WITH DEVS!! ABUSE ABUSE!!******RAPE!! HELP HELP!! Is there room in there for me? On a side note...Sept 1 is my B-Day...that sounds like a good day for Shiva... Waiting patiently, MrBinary "[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary"
The Drip	Posted - 2004.09.02 21:06:00 - [123] Edited by: The Drip on 02/09/2004 21:10:18 Originally by: kieron Unless there are problems that force a push-back on the release, Shiva will be released on or before 30 Sept. I can't give you a specific date other than the end of Q3 because one isn't available. It's not an attempt to "jerk anyone around", it is the nature of the business. Shiva is an immense undertaking, not only for the introduction of content and features, and changes to the game, but the sheer amount of code. The Devs and Programmers are already putting in lots of extra time to work on current bugs and code Shiva in an effort to hit the release target. How is it possible that in the 6 weeks since this statement was given that the schedule has slipped 5 weeks behind? You had no chance of meeting this schedule is the truth. How much bs are we being told about the new schedule?
The Drip	Posted - 2004.09.02 21:06:00 - [124] Edited by: The Drip on 02/09/2004 21:10:18 Originally by: kieron Unless there are problems that force a push-back on the release, Shiva will be released on or before 30 Sept. I can't give you a specific date other than the end of Q3 because one isn't available. It's not an attempt to "jerk anyone around", it is the nature of the business. Shiva is an immense undertaking, not only for the introduction of content and features, and changes to the game, but the sheer amount of code. The Devs and Programmers are already putting in lots of extra time to work on current bugs and code Shiva in an effort to hit the release target. How is it possible that in the 6 weeks since this statement was given that the schedule has slipped 5 weeks behind? You had no chance of meeting this schedule is the truth. How much bs are we being told about the new schedule?
Foil	Posted - 2004.09.02 21:27:00 - [125] Edited by: Foil on 02/09/2004 21:30:21 Originally by: almightybig Lil miss you stfu....I pay to play this game just like everyone else. I have a right to complain about ****ty service and a half finished product. I have been playing this game for more than a year now and it has come a long way for sure. But it's not good enough. I don't settle for mediocrity in RL why should I here? The dangling of the carrot trick is wearing off and its time to deliver. I'm sure alot of peeps have more than one account like myself. So $30/mo is alot to pay for empty promises and delayed patch releases. I agree with this, it's also the fact when devs are questioned about certain bugs that have been in the game a while or missing content. They most times say "this while be resolved in shiva" , well be that as it may shiva better be Perfect and delivered perfect and the servers better be Perfect, and of course not delayed again. They have been doing this over a year they should know what to expect and how to deal with it. If not I see this game crashing and burning. Despite the unwavering loyalty of some, some diehards defending the game have begun to get impatient as well.
Foil	Posted - 2004.09.02 21:27:00 - [126] Edited by: Foil on 02/09/2004 21:30:21 Originally by: almightybig Lil miss you stfu....I pay to play this game just like everyone else. I have a right to complain about ****ty service and a half finished product. I have been playing this game for more than a year now and it has come a long way for sure. But it's not good enough. I don't settle for mediocrity in RL why should I here? The dangling of the carrot trick is wearing off and its time to deliver. I'm sure alot of peeps have more than one account like myself. So $30/mo is alot to pay for empty promises and delayed patch releases. I agree with this, it's also the fact when devs are questioned about certain bugs that have been in the game a while or missing content. They most times say "this while be resolved in shiva" , well be that as it may shiva better be Perfect and delivered perfect and the servers better be Perfect, and of course not delayed again. They have been doing this over a year they should know what to expect and how to deal with it. If not I see this game crashing and burning. Despite the unwavering loyalty of some, some diehards defending the game have begun to get impatient as well.
Thraxll	Posted - 2004.09.02 21:59:00 - [127] Geez guys, a little perspective? Perfect? Gimme a break. I've been playing mmo's for about 8 years (since "The Realm") and I have yet to see one do any kind of update "perfectly." I have yet to see one implement patches that weren't bugged more often than not. I have yet to see one that didn't have crap server crashes from time to time. If you're expecting anything at all to be "perfect," you should spare yourself some grief and find a new hobby, because it AIN'T happening, I can assure you. As for being **ed about the Shiva delays...I just started this game pretty recently and had never even heard of Shiva until I started hanging out on the forums here. Guess I didn't know what I was missing, eh? I thought the game was good enough to buy 2 accounts for BEFORE hearing about all the stuff that'll be added w/Shiva, so why be *ed that it ain't here yet? I don't get it. "The long and short of it is that this game, or any game, is either going to be a kindergarten where it's safe and cuddly and secure and you can play with plush tigers, or it will be a harsh place, harsh but interesting and interesting because harsh, where you must take risks to succeed and so must everyone, since victory is tasteless without danger.*" - Raivn Akhama
Thraxll	Posted - 2004.09.02 21:59:00 - [128] Geez guys, a little perspective? Perfect? Gimme a break. I've been playing mmo's for about 8 years (since "The Realm") and I have yet to see one do any kind of update "perfectly." I have yet to see one implement patches that weren't bugged more often than not. I have yet to see one that didn't have crap server crashes from time to time. If you're expecting anything at all to be "perfect," you should spare yourself some grief and find a new hobby, because it AIN'T happening, I can assure you. As for being **ed about the Shiva delays...I just started this game pretty recently and had never even heard of Shiva until I started hanging out on the forums here. Guess I didn't know what I was missing, eh? I thought the game was good enough to buy 2 accounts for BEFORE hearing about all the stuff that'll be added w/Shiva, so why be *ed that it ain't here yet? I don't get it. "The long and short of it is that this game, or any game, is either going to be a kindergarten where it's safe and cuddly and secure and you can play with plush tigers, or it will be a harsh place, harsh but interesting and interesting because harsh, where you must take risks to succeed and so must everyone, since victory is tasteless without danger.*" - Raivn Akhama
Matt Ivresse	Posted - 2004.09.02 22:24:00 - [129] Edited by: Matt Ivresse on 02/09/2004 22:26:32 Actually, what right do you have to complain about something you don't have yet? Free Speech? That applies to government, not private companies. Consumer protection? That applies to products that you have bought and are unhappy with, and only before you have owned the product for a certain period of time, and in any case, you cannot complain about something which you don't have to begin with, i.e. Shiva, which is not an original part of the game itself and therefore does not apply to the rule anyway. And don't even think of saying that Eve is an unfinished game. Eve does not fall under the category of finished or unfinished games, as it is meant to be a continuously developing online game. If it was finished, there would be no more expansions, no more updates, no more new items for people to use in the future, no more newly made storylines, and everyone would leave. Hell, I'd leave if there wasn't any extras coming soon. And let's be honest, how many PC games hit the shelves finished anyway, with updates and patches consistently released with many big-name titles? Do you have the right to complain? Yes, but only when you have obtained something and aren't happy about it, and you are complaining about something that you have not obtained yet, namely Shiva, so you do not have this right of complaint. Personally I think they should just strip you of all rights and say 'here's your sign' and give you a sign which your forced to wear around your neck saying 'I am an immature impatient imbecile', but then that's just me...be a lot less stupid people in the world of Eve though, that's for sure... --------------------------- DUI Racing - The PREMIER Racing corporation for Racing fans out there in the world of
Matt Ivresse	Posted - 2004.09.02 22:24:00 - [130] Edited by: Matt Ivresse on 02/09/2004 22:26:32 Actually, what right do you have to complain about something you don't have yet? Free Speech? That applies to government, not private companies. Consumer protection? That applies to products that you have bought and are unhappy with, and only before you have owned the product for a certain period of time, and in any case, you cannot complain about something which you don't have to begin with, i.e. Shiva, which is not an original part of the game itself and therefore does not apply to the rule anyway. And don't even think of saying that Eve is an unfinished game. Eve does not fall under the category of finished or unfinished games, as it is meant to be a continuously developing online game. If it was finished, there would be no more expansions, no more updates, no more new items for people to use in the future, no more newly made storylines, and everyone would leave. Hell, I'd leave if there wasn't any extras coming soon. And let's be honest, how many PC games hit the shelves finished anyway, with updates and patches consistently released with many big-name titles? Do you have the right to complain? Yes, but only when you have obtained something and aren't happy about it, and you are complaining about something that you have not obtained yet, namely Shiva, so you do not have this right of complaint. Personally I think they should just strip you of all rights and say 'here's your sign' and give you a sign which your forced to wear around your neck saying 'I am an immature impatient imbecile', but then that's just me...be a lot less stupid people in the world of Eve though, that's for sure... --------------------------- DUI Racing - The PREMIER Racing corporation for Racing fans out there in the world of
Kelewan	Posted - 2004.09.02 22:32:00 - [131] Taken from the shiva page: Shiva, a codename for the next expansion for EVE Online, scheduled for release November 3rd, 2004. Shiva has one theme: content. Almost all new features will have to do with content and interface advancement. Quite different from the last expansion which had everything to do with foundation construction, and created what is considered today the largest MMOG persistent world - The perfect stage for the next generation of EVE Online. ----------------------------------------------- "I am watching you through a camera" - Artie Ziff
Kelewan	Posted - 2004.09.02 22:32:00 - [132] Taken from the shiva page: Shiva, a codename for the next expansion for EVE Online, scheduled for release November 3rd, 2004. Shiva has one theme: content. Almost all new features will have to do with content and interface advancement. Quite different from the last expansion which had everything to do with foundation construction, and created what is considered today the largest MMOG persistent world - The perfect stage for the next generation of EVE Online. ----------------------------------------------- "I am watching you through a camera" - Artie Ziff
The Drip	Posted - 2004.09.02 22:49:00 - [133] Originally by: Kelewan Taken from the shiva page: Shiva, a codename for the next expansion for EVE Online, scheduled for release November 3rd, 2004. Shiva has one theme: content. Almost all new features will have to do with content and interface advancement. Quite different from the last expansion which had everything to do with foundation construction, and created what is considered today the largest MMOG persistent world - The perfect stage for the next generation of EVE Online. What CCP told us 6 weeks ago: "Shiva will be released on or before 30 Sept. On November 15, due to "holiday plans and hardware delays", they will tell us it's out Jan 24
The Drip	Posted - 2004.09.02 22:49:00 - [134] Originally by: Kelewan Taken from the shiva page: Shiva, a codename for the next expansion for EVE Online, scheduled for release November 3rd, 2004. Shiva has one theme: content. Almost all new features will have to do with content and interface advancement. Quite different from the last expansion which had everything to do with foundation construction, and created what is considered today the largest MMOG persistent world - The perfect stage for the next generation of EVE Online. What CCP told us 6 weeks ago: "Shiva will be released on or before 30 Sept. On November 15, due to "holiday plans and hardware delays", they will tell us it's out Jan 24
ErrorS	Posted - 2004.09.03 00:23:00 - [135] some people here are naive to think someone can give an exact date for when they'll be done with something like this.. seriously and i still want my badger back. ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
ErrorS	Posted - 2004.09.03 00:23:00 - [136] some people here are naive to think someone can give an exact date for when they'll be done with something like this.. seriously and i still want my badger back. ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.09.03 01:40:00 - [137] Originally by: almightybig Lil miss you stfu....I pay to play this game just like everyone else. I have a right to complain about ****ty service and a half finished product. I have been playing this game for more than a year now and it has come a long way for sure. But it's not good enough. I don't settle for mediocrity in RL why should I here? The dangling of the carrot trick is wearing off and its time to deliver. I'm sure alot of peeps have more than one account like myself. So $30/mo is alot to pay for empty promises and delayed patch releases. Dude, lol its not a half finished product, Shiva is an expansion, kinda like the Jump to lightspeed addon for Star Wars Galaxies, only with less wookies. Well Except for Stavros Sass Arcane Technologies
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.09.03 01:40:00 - [138] Originally by: almightybig Lil miss you stfu....I pay to play this game just like everyone else. I have a right to complain about ****ty service and a half finished product. I have been playing this game for more than a year now and it has come a long way for sure. But it's not good enough. I don't settle for mediocrity in RL why should I here? The dangling of the carrot trick is wearing off and its time to deliver. I'm sure alot of peeps have more than one account like myself. So $30/mo is alot to pay for empty promises and delayed patch releases. Dude, lol its not a half finished product, Shiva is an expansion, kinda like the Jump to lightspeed addon for Star Wars Galaxies, only with less wookies. Well Except for Stavros Sass Arcane Technologies
ArcticWolf	Posted - 2004.09.03 03:01:00 - [139] Originally by: almightybig Lil miss you stfu....I pay to play this game just like everyone else. I have a right to complain about ****ty service and a half finished product. I have been playing this game for more than a year now and it has come a long way for sure. But it's not good enough. I don't settle for mediocrity in RL why should I here? The dangling of the carrot trick is wearing off and its time to deliver. I'm sure alot of peeps have more than one account like myself. So $30/mo is alot to pay for empty promises and delayed patch releases. News flash, EVE IS DONE!!! shiva is an official "expansion" that will be given FREE to ALL players. enough said.
ArcticWolf	Posted - 2004.09.03 03:01:00 - [140] Originally by: almightybig Lil miss you stfu....I pay to play this game just like everyone else. I have a right to complain about ****ty service and a half finished product. I have been playing this game for more than a year now and it has come a long way for sure. But it's not good enough. I don't settle for mediocrity in RL why should I here? The dangling of the carrot trick is wearing off and its time to deliver. I'm sure alot of peeps have more than one account like myself. So $30/mo is alot to pay for empty promises and delayed patch releases. News flash, EVE IS DONE!!! shiva is an official "expansion" that will be given FREE to ALL players. enough said.
Rungi	Posted - 2004.09.03 03:01:00 - [141] Here, is the page with the details in EVE-Insider. -------------------------------------------- Mining is my business, and business is good.
Rungi	Posted - 2004.09.03 03:01:00 - [142] Here, is the page with the details in EVE-Insider. -------------------------------------------- Mining is my business, and business is good.
Kelewan	Posted - 2004.09.03 04:45:00 - [143] Originally by: The Drip Originally by: Kelewan Taken from the shiva page: Shiva, a codename for the next expansion for EVE Online, scheduled for release November 3rd, 2004. Shiva has one theme: content. Almost all new features will have to do with content and interface advancement. Quite different from the last expansion which had everything to do with foundation construction, and created what is considered today the largest MMOG persistent world - The perfect stage for the next generation of EVE Online. What CCP told us 6 weeks ago: "Shiva will be released on or before 30 Sept. On November 15, due to "holiday plans and hardware delays", they will tell us it's out Jan 24 Well seeing as the shiva page was updated about a week ago I think I'll look at this date as being closer to actual release, ofcourse expect delays. ----------------------------------------------- "I am watching you through a camera" - Artie Ziff
Kelewan	Posted - 2004.09.03 04:45:00 - [144] Originally by: The Drip Originally by: Kelewan Taken from the shiva page: Shiva, a codename for the next expansion for EVE Online, scheduled for release November 3rd, 2004. Shiva has one theme: content. Almost all new features will have to do with content and interface advancement. Quite different from the last expansion which had everything to do with foundation construction, and created what is considered today the largest MMOG persistent world - The perfect stage for the next generation of EVE Online. What CCP told us 6 weeks ago: "Shiva will be released on or before 30 Sept. On November 15, due to "holiday plans and hardware delays", they will tell us it's out Jan 24 Well seeing as the shiva page was updated about a week ago I think I'll look at this date as being closer to actual release, ofcourse expect delays. ----------------------------------------------- "I am watching you through a camera" - Artie Ziff
David Corbett	Posted - 2004.09.03 04:58:00 - [145] Edited by: David Corbett on 03/09/2004 05:01:20 Honestly, I don't think CCP even knows. First of all, you've got game developers, which are never the most punctual lot. For good reasons, they're more interested in getting a secure and functional product out rather than meeting deadlines. Second, you've got totally unforseeable bugs and crashes, like that recent London server failure. Nobody knows when those are going to happen and waste CCP's time. Third, and most important, you've got folks making lots of good ideas or crying about nerfs and balancing. That takes dev time to do... if people wouldn't stop talking about all the hundreds of things they'd like to get in Shiva, maybe CCP, which is absolutely wonderful for listening to its customers, could stop implementing all the new features and endlessly tweaking if the players would just sit back and let them do their job, then talk about fixing it. Besides, they mentioned a November release date. Bad for me, since that's when hunting season is in Canada and I'll be out hunting deer and moose, not rats, roids, or enemies. :)
David Corbett	Posted - 2004.09.03 04:58:00 - [146] Edited by: David Corbett on 03/09/2004 05:01:20 Honestly, I don't think CCP even knows. First of all, you've got game developers, which are never the most punctual lot. For good reasons, they're more interested in getting a secure and functional product out rather than meeting deadlines. Second, you've got totally unforseeable bugs and crashes, like that recent London server failure. Nobody knows when those are going to happen and waste CCP's time. Third, and most important, you've got folks making lots of good ideas or crying about nerfs and balancing. That takes dev time to do... if people wouldn't stop talking about all the hundreds of things they'd like to get in Shiva, maybe CCP, which is absolutely wonderful for listening to its customers, could stop implementing all the new features and endlessly tweaking if the players would just sit back and let them do their job, then talk about fixing it. Besides, they mentioned a November release date. Bad for me, since that's when hunting season is in Canada and I'll be out hunting deer and moose, not rats, roids, or enemies. :)
Shauna	Posted - 2004.09.03 06:19:00 - [147] I think they've been pretty upfront and open with what's been going on in the dev blog with the timeline and why it's slipped, etc. clicky ... It's not surprising to me that upgrading the hardware and everything ended up being a lot more work than they thought. Upgrading a cluster often uncovers some number of problems. I'm very happy to see that they're opening up Singularity. We are going to have almost a whole month on a test server with a 3000-person capacity. Hopefully we'll get enough people over on that testing out things and playing around that most of the bugs will be flushed out prior to the Tranquility rollout.
Shauna	Posted - 2004.09.03 06:19:00 - [148] I think they've been pretty upfront and open with what's been going on in the dev blog with the timeline and why it's slipped, etc. clicky ... It's not surprising to me that upgrading the hardware and everything ended up being a lot more work than they thought. Upgrading a cluster often uncovers some number of problems. I'm very happy to see that they're opening up Singularity. We are going to have almost a whole month on a test server with a 3000-person capacity. Hopefully we'll get enough people over on that testing out things and playing around that most of the bugs will be flushed out prior to the Tranquility rollout.
Dark Messiah	Posted - 2004.09.03 08:00:00 - [149] Originally by: almightybig Lil miss you stfu....I pay to play this game just like everyone else. I have a right to complain about ****ty service and a half finished product. I have been playing this game for more than a year now and it has come a long way for sure. But it's not good enough. I don't settle for mediocrity in RL why should I here? The dangling of the carrot trick is wearing off and its time to deliver. I'm sure alot of peeps have more than one account like myself. So $30/mo is alot to pay for empty promises and delayed patch releases. eve will basicly never be a finsihed product, it is always growing and changing.
Dark Messiah	Posted - 2004.09.03 08:00:00 - [150] Originally by: almightybig Lil miss you stfu....I pay to play this game just like everyone else. I have a right to complain about ****ty service and a half finished product. I have been playing this game for more than a year now and it has come a long way for sure. But it's not good enough. I don't settle for mediocrity in RL why should I here? The dangling of the carrot trick is wearing off and its time to deliver. I'm sure alot of peeps have more than one account like myself. So $30/mo is alot to pay for empty promises and delayed patch releases. eve will basicly never be a finsihed product, it is always growing and changing.

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