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Jessie-A Tassik Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:26:00 - [1] - Quote If you put Damage Control II and Reinforced Bulkhead II on a Covetor then you have 11,586 EHP and about 90% the mining rate of a Hulk. For something like a tenth the price? (Last time I looked, ship prices are all over the place.) Plus the Covetor pays out semi-decent insurance. WHY are people using Hulks? They are next to worthless unless you only lose one for every, well, more than 1 billion ISK mined.
Solhild Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 661	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:28:00 - [2] - Quote Good point and well made, maybe need to get myself a BPO, hmm...?
Aranakas Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 291	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:29:00 - [3] - Quote Covetors still get ganked. Honestly, I don't know why people take part in Hulkageddon when it's blatantly an attempt at market manipulation, and both the miners and the gankers suffer a loss. Aranakas CEO of-áGreen Anarchy Green vs Green
Sycho Pathic Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:40:00 - [4] - Quote The Hulk isn't 500% improvement over the Covetor so I see no need to spend the 500% extra for it.
Aranakas Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 292	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:42:00 - [5] - Quote Sycho Pathic wrote: The Hulk isn't 500% improvement over the Covetor so I see no need to spend the 500% extra for it. I'm not even a bloody miner and I agree with this. Why is a mining ship more expensive than a battleship when it's not even capable of pulling in the same isk/hour (as running missions)? Aranakas CEO of-áGreen Anarchy Green vs Green
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 457	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:46:00 - [6] - Quote Hulk gets 3% per level more than the covetor plus it can use 2 Mining laser upgrade II's as opposed to 1 T1. I AM ***** PISSED OFF THAT EVE WILL NOT RUN ON MY COMMODORE 64. THAT ** I QUIT. take all my isk for 1 trit.
MadMuppet Kerguelen Station 238	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:46:00 - [7] - Quote Even I need to admit this is a better option with the upcoming patch considerations.. then again I also noticed that they jumped in price about $10 million isk since this morning. The BPO was floating around 2.2 billion last I saw. I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 6012	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:47:00 - [8] - Quote Aranakas wrote: Honestly, I don't know why people take part in Hulkageddon when it's blatantly an attempt at market manipulation, and both the miners and the gankers suffer a loss. Because the gankers gain from it. Sycho Pathic wrote: The Hulk isn't 500% improvement over the Covetor so I see no need to spend the 500% extra for it. 500%? Where are you buying your Covetors (alternatively, where aren't you buying your Hulks)? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Aqriue Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 530	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:47:00 - [9] - Quote Good question. The answer is to pay several months real world money ot CCP to fly a hulk, only to be tied down to an asteroid belt like a goat waiting to die (the scene in Jurrasic Park comes to mind) and generate a killmail for some other risk adverse dude flying super cheap gank boats (lol 2 destroyers = zero loss even without insurance) . AKA, your only purpose is to generate killmails in a poorly designed over priced ship doing the most boring profession in game. Best way to balance it out since no one wants to see the hulk get a buff (that is, non miners) is to bring the freighters and jump freighters down to the effective hitpoint level of a hulk since non-combant ships are not ment to have them. If a ship that cannot even fit modules gets a thicker buffer, then why should the hulk even be required to fit modules to get a better buffer? Bring it down to require at least 2 destroyers for a freighter and 6 for a JF, balances everything out. Oh, and reduce the current tank on the barges / exhumers to at least 1/10th its current total. This is to force people to stop mining, gankers get their killmails and in the process shoot themselves in the foot since no one will be able to mine minerals. You know that theory, about having too many predators in a given area will eventually kill off the prey...yeah that is EVE precisely since everyone wants to be the wolf who consider the miners to be chickens and sheep. And an interesting thing to also think about, the basic thought is that a miner should use their brain and be proactive to keep themselves alive...means the pilot should take the necessary steps and CCP doesn't need to buff hulks. Since so many people are using that line of thought...un-nerf titans since the whiners can't cope and use their own brains to counter Titans. They didn't need a nerf, since the pilots in sub cap ships can't figure out how to counter them just as much as a miner needs to counter getting ganked themselves...in both cases CCP doesn't need to step in at all. Logic! Un-nerf Titans and let the players deal with the issues...plus the whines it generates are just erotic to listen to
Karim alRashid Aliastra Gallente Federation 178	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:49:00 - [10] - Quote Aranakas wrote: Sycho Pathic wrote: The Hulk isn't 500% improvement over the Covetor so I see no need to spend the 500% extra for it. I'm not even a bloody miner and I agree with this. Why is a mining ship more expensive than a battleship when it's not even capable of pulling in the same isk/hour (as running missions/incursions)? Isk/hour is a hulk's supposed purpose, while combat is a battleship's supposed purpose. Same for the Rapier. Why is it so expensive, when it's neither capable of achieving the BS isk/hour levels when running missions/incursion nor is it capable of achieving Hulk isk/hour levels when mining?

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 6012	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:52:00 - [11] - Quote Aranakas wrote: I'm not even a bloody miner and I agree with this. Why is a mining ship more expensive than a battleship when it's not even capable of pulling in the same isk/hour (as running missions/incursions)? Isk/hour is a hulk's supposed purpose, while combat is a battleship's supposed purpose. Because it will effortlessly pay itself back so the miners think it's more than worth the extra cost, and because you're comparing apples and carburettors GÇö the Hulk cannot run missions and incursions, and the mission-BS cannot mine. They aren't really opposed by default. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Tikktokk Tokkzikk Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent 59	Posted - 2012.04.11 23:10:00 - [12] - Quote Aranakas wrote: Sycho Pathic wrote: The Hulk isn't 500% improvement over the Covetor so I see no need to spend the 500% extra for it. I'm not even a bloody miner and I agree with this. Why is a mining ship more expensive than a battleship when it's not even capable of pulling in the same isk/hour (as running missions/incursions)? Isk/hour is a hulk's supposed purpose, while combat is a battleship's supposed purpose. covetor price < T1 battleship price. hulk price < T2 battleship price.
Frederick Sanger GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 51	Posted - 2012.04.11 23:15:00 - [13] - Quote The Hulk has superior headlights.
Chokichi Ozuwara Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown 94	Posted - 2012.04.11 23:28:00 - [14] - Quote Shaddup shaddup Shaddup I mine in my rookie ship. TWO high slots! Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Marcus Ichiro Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.04.11 23:32:00 - [15] - Quote Jessie-A Tassik wrote: 90% the mining rate of a Hulk There's your answer. Using a Covetor would only be more profitable if you regularly get ganked, and if that is the case then the player in question needs to rethink how they play the game.
Bootleg Jack Potters Field 47	Posted - 2012.04.11 23:32:00 - [16] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Hulk gets 3% per level more than the covetor plus it can use 2 Mining laser upgrade II's as opposed to 1 T1. WHAT??!? You want to use slots for non-tank equipment on a mining barge? Radical extermist you are
Virgil Travis GWA Corp 149	Posted - 2012.04.11 23:35:00 - [17] - Quote Miners, trolled by CCP for years. If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone.
Whitehound 29	Posted - 2012.04.11 23:44:00 - [18] - Quote The training needed for a Hulk only needs a few extra days after one has trained for a Covetor. People think of it as a major gain when they can get from a T1 ship into a T2 ship with such a short amount of training and it becomes one of the major incentives for doing it. The Hulk not only mines a little better, but it can be rigged and fitted to hold a significantly larger amount of ore then the Covetor. It means one can stay longer in the belt and also longer away from the keyboard.
Darth Gustav Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 321	Posted - 2012.04.11 23:47:00 - [19] - Quote Whitehound wrote: The training needed for a Hulk only needs a few extra days after one has trained for a Covetor. People think of it as a major gain when they can get from a T1 ship into a T2 ship with such a short amount of training and it becomes one of the major incentives for doing it. The Hulk not only mines a little better, but it can be rigged and fitted to hold a significantly larger amount of ore then the Covetor. It means one can stay longer in the belt and also longer away from the keyboard. And there it is. There it ******* is. Miners want to engage in riskless activity to grow their wallets while they are AFK. This does not come down to personal playstyle choices. It comes down to laziness, greed, and risk aversion of sickening proportions. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji 465	Posted - 2012.04.11 23:48:00 - [20] - Quote Whitehound wrote: The training needed for a Hulk only needs a few extra days Yeah, being able to undock a ship is all you need to train for. And now let's hear miners comment on PvP ships.

Jiska Ensa Unour Heavy Industries 61	Posted - 2012.04.11 23:51:00 - [21] - Quote As a miner myself, I can honestly say most miners are stupid. There's nothing wrong with hulks at all. I could go on and on about how my 6 bilion isk jump freighter should be able to tank 12 tornados. Fact of the matter is I've only ever been ganked once, and it was because I choose to mine somewhere other people go. Go to empty systems, mine to your heart's content. Even if you have to sell your minerals at reduced prices to get people with freighters to come get them, you'll still come out ahead because you'll be pulling in more isk/hour than a Covetor would 2 jumps from Jita.
Aranakas Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 294	Posted - 2012.04.11 23:52:00 - [22] - Quote Karim alRashid wrote: Aranakas wrote: Sycho Pathic wrote: The Hulk isn't 500% improvement over the Covetor so I see no need to spend the 500% extra for it. I'm not even a bloody miner and I agree with this. Why is a mining ship more expensive than a battleship when it's not even capable of pulling in the same isk/hour (as running missions/incursions)? Isk/hour is a hulk's supposed purpose, while combat is a battleship's supposed purpose. Same for the Rapier. Why is it so expensive, when it's neither capable of achieving the BS isk/hour levels when running missions/incursion nor is it capable of achieving Hulk isk/hour levels when mining? An incursion that would simulate fleet combat with the AI and require the use of interdictors to prevent your bounties from warping away sounds good to me. Aranakas CEO of-áGreen Anarchy Green vs Green
Shukuzen Kiraa 47-Ronin Outer Ring Excavations Syndicate 91	Posted - 2012.04.12 00:08:00 - [23] - Quote Darth Gustav wrote: Whitehound wrote: The training needed for a Hulk only needs a few extra days after one has trained for a Covetor. People think of it as a major gain when they can get from a T1 ship into a T2 ship with such a short amount of training and it becomes one of the major incentives for doing it. The Hulk not only mines a little better, but it can be rigged and fitted to hold a significantly larger amount of ore then the Covetor. It means one can stay longer in the belt and also longer away from the keyboard. And there it is. There it ******* is. Miners want to engage in riskless activity to grow their wallets while they are AFK. This does not come down to personal playstyle choices. It comes down to laziness, greed, and risk aversion of sickening proportions. Not all miners are the same. We don't all go afk and expect to make isk with no risk. But the cost of the ship over the Covetor is ridiculous when you look at the difference in the amount it mines. Not to mention a cheap destroyer can gank a hulk in high sec with ease, 2 destroyers if the hulk is tanked. So someone comes along in a catalyst that cost them what? 1.5 - 2m isk and destroys a ship that is now 300m. Not saying the Hulk shouldn't be unkillable but that is seriously unbalanced. What is the reasoning behind making the hulk so weak? It's the top mining ship you can train for and it can be killed by a player who has been training for under a week.
Whitehound 29	Posted - 2012.04.12 00:10:00 - [24] - Quote Darth Gustav wrote: And there it is. There it ******* is. Miners want to engage in riskless activity to grow their wallets while they are AFK. This does not come down to personal playstyle choices. It comes down to laziness, greed, and risk aversion of sickening proportions. Ptraci wrote: Yeah, being able to undock a ship is all you need to train for. And now let's hear miners comment on PvP ships. Whatever funny opinion you have on the miners do you also need to admit that the Hulk with its 35 PG and the cost of currently 300m ISK is funnier than those who choose to fly it.
Darth Gustav Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 321	Posted - 2012.04.12 00:12:00 - [25] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Darth Gustav wrote: And there it is. There it ******* is. Miners want to engage in riskless activity to grow their wallets while they are AFK. This does not come down to personal playstyle choices. It comes down to laziness, greed, and risk aversion of sickening proportions. Ptraci wrote: Yeah, being able to undock a ship is all you need to train for. And now let's hear miners comment on PvP ships. Whatever funny opinion you have on the miners do you also need to admit that the Hulk with its 35 PG and the cost of currently 300m ISK is funnier than those who choose to fly it. Who is the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? -Obi-wan Kenobi A New Hope You miners should take a cue from old Obi-wan. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Whitehound 29	Posted - 2012.04.12 00:20:00 - [26] - Quote Darth Gustav wrote: Who is the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? -Obi-wan Kenobi A New Hope You miners should take a cue from old Obi-wan. Whoa *********** (censored). I spat at my monitor that is how hard you have just made me laugh...... Dude, if anything then it is foolish to quote Star Wars Clone Wars wisdom on a forum.
gfldex 459	Posted - 2012.04.12 00:20:00 - [27] - Quote A Covetor doesn't work. If you got maxed out skills you fill your cargo hold with one cycle of one laser. You will lose ore due to full cargo holds. That ain't much of a problem tho, because you don't got the capa to run 3 T2 strip miners anyways. When someone burns down your sandcaste, bring sausages.
Jon Taggart State War Academy Caldari State 21	Posted - 2012.04.12 00:25:00 - [28] - Quote It's interesting to see how this increased reliance on miners has shed some light on some potential issues present in the profession. I imagine we'll be seeing additional ships/balances in the near future on some of these hulls. I think so anyway .
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 457	Posted - 2012.04.12 00:27:00 - [29] - Quote Bootleg Jack wrote: Cipher Jones wrote: Hulk gets 3% per level more than the covetor plus it can use 2 Mining laser upgrade II's as opposed to 1 T1. WHAT??!? You want to use slots for non-tank equipment on a mining barge? Radical extermist you are No, I mine in a covetor and take the L on the ore. I am saying why it gets done at all. And for the 25% less that I mine in ore I make up with intact armor plates. Win/win. I AM ***** PISSED OFF THAT EVE WILL NOT RUN ON MY COMMODORE 64. THAT ** I QUIT. take all my isk for 1 trit.
Fish Hunter Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Renaissance Federation 9	Posted - 2012.04.12 00:53:00 - [30] - Quote Jessie-A Tassik wrote: If you put Damage Control II and Reinforced Bulkhead II on a Covetor then you have 11,586 EHP and about 90% the mining rate of a Hulk. For something like a tenth the price? (Last time I looked, ship prices are all over the place.) Plus the Covetor pays out semi-decent insurance. WHY are people using Hulks? They are next to worthless unless you only lose one for every, well, more than 1 billion ISK mined. Because covetor has severely inferior cpu available it can only fit 1 mlu giving it 75% of the yield as a hulk



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