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Vyktor Abyss IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.16 01:49:00 - [31] Well thanks to the OP. I'm 100% convinced by your comprehensive and thoughful insights into the current state of play as regards solo pvp. As such I shall stop flying my ships alone and looking for pvp.
Dirtee Girl Omega Enterprises 0mega Factor	Posted - 2008.12.16 05:57:00 - [32] solo pvp is still alive and well the problem is in order to solo with any hope of success you have to play by your own rules, take the fight to the enemy and control the circumstances . * *
Ashley Sky The Scope	Posted - 2008.12.16 06:24:00 - [33] Solo PvP is still possible, let me list thy ways... 1. Salvage and bounty theft 2. Corp infiltration and assassination 3. Suicide gankage Solo piracy as an "honorable" profession has been in a state of rigor mortis for ages. But there are still great ways to ruin a person's day, if you feel so inclined.
Bowlo Cheeba Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.12.16 08:01:00 - [34] Why keep thinking along the lines of the way it is now ? Why not give some of your subscribers what they want, and that is, systems where it's 1 on 1, 2 on 2, 5 on 5. Call them arena systems if you want, whatever. You would have ppl lined up to fight in a guaranteed 1 on 1 system, or new ppl signing up for Eve just for that sole reason alone, of having a chance to win, instead of getting blobbed. Even a 10% chance to win is enough for most ppl, but zero chance is pointless, and so is the current blob system of pvp. And before you start flaming, look at the big picture of Eve in its entirety, and what would help the game flourish. You really want the game to continue the way it is, with unplayable blobs for a couple more years, and then the game dies? Or would you rather try new things that might keep this game around for a long time? Try to consider the community as a whole, not just your own personal wishes. Oh, and before you start saying "It'll never happen bla bla", I seem to remember a few months ago, I said the one and only way to prevent blobbing would be fleet or system caps. The new big battle notification system is a step in that direction, in case you don't see it, or pretend you don't. The next logical step to that idea of diverting the shard, is limiting the number of ppl. And I'm not trying to be a ****, I am telling the truth. You'll see
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.12.16 08:10:00 - [35] Originally by: Zak Zerachiel Originally by: Abrazzar Solo PvP is dead because no one is going around solo anymore. This man gets it. Pretty much. Most of my recent kills have been solo, why is the OP letting himself get ganked? ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
Phenomena X Galactic PeaceMaking Talon Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.16 08:18:00 - [36] Originally by: Rose Nuke I jump in a geddon locks me starts shooting i return fire, he has me at 80% armour (in mega) he's at 50% (strucutre) good fight typhoon turns up yay more kills. abbaddon turns up ok i going to die but take 1-2 with me. then the falcon. i have to sit and watch them slowly kill me thanks. this is why solo pvp is dead. because you can never lock anything. in the remade set up i have an ecccm now instead of cap booster incase of neuts but i know i'll come up against a neuting ship next but atleast i don't have to sit there and slowly die. not a moan, not a rant just my thoughts. ships alreayd rebuilt and flying big deal. lol... you're pathectic. Don't blame the game for being broken when you just completly fail. I could post something constructive, like why you should always be using scouts, ect... but I stopped trying to explain things to "special" people.
Wen Johen	Posted - 2008.12.16 11:45:00 - [37] Originally by: Trevor Warps Solo pvp aint dead, I solo pvp. Its just not easy. You need lots of skillpoints to have a broad choice of targets. You need the right ship with the right fit. You need to be patient, pick your targets right. Falcon arent just a problem to solo pvp, they are a problem period. What is the problem ? They bring a new weapon to the field ... it is called BORINGNESS ... How can you enjoy a fight when a ship can use an on/off switch on you ... I can assure you that in my Falcon i greatly enjoy the fight. I savor every moment imagining how frustrated the target must be when he is unable to lock anything. And yes, it is correct that solo PVP has become more challenging now and it requires more patience and more skill points to accomplish same task. It is unfortunate for casual pvpers who don't always want to fly along with a 10-15 man recon/hac gang simply to get a chance to bang on that one solo ratting battleship.
Wen Johen	Posted - 2008.12.16 11:47:00 - [38] Originally by: Phenomena X Originally by: Rose Nuke I jump in a geddon locks me starts shooting i return fire, he has me at 80% armour (in mega) he's at 50% (strucutre) good fight typhoon turns up yay more kills. abbaddon turns up ok i going to die but take 1-2 with me. then the falcon. i have to sit and watch them slowly kill me thanks. this is why solo pvp is dead. because you can never lock anything. in the remade set up i have an ecccm now instead of cap booster incase of neuts but i know i'll come up against a neuting ship next but atleast i don't have to sit there and slowly die. not a moan, not a rant just my thoughts. ships alreayd rebuilt and flying big deal. lol... you're pathectic. Don't blame the game for being broken when you just completly fail. I could post something constructive, like why you should always be using scouts, ect... but I stopped trying to explain things to "special" people. If you use second character as scout or Falcon alt, be it your own account or a friend - it ain't solo now, is it?
Logi3 Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.12.16 11:54:00 - [39] hmmm interesting because theres members of VETO and other pirate corps who sill manage to go pirate solo and kill ships. BCs killing BS's etc etc ----
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2008.12.16 11:56:00 - [40] i dont know about you guys but i always make several solo kills.. Mabe im just lucky.. www.garia.net
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.16 12:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Trevor Warps Solo pvp aint dead, I solo pvp. Its just not easy. You need lots of skillpoints to have a broad choice of targets. You need the right ship with the right fit. You need to be patient, pick your targets right. I got low SP, and I solo PvP :P
Sarin Adler Caldari SPANI Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.12.16 12:18:00 - [42] Solo PvP is dead because the same that there are no Rambos IRL. As the universe grows larger people tends to join for safety, is in human nature. And you can't make solo pvp against mutiple equal targets viable from a game design pov because it would probably unbalance other aspects.
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.12.16 12:22:00 - [43] Well, it would be a nice feature when you engage someone at a SS which is jammed so no other people can warp int. If both parties agree to this, solo pvp can become big again :) ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Karille Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.12.16 12:25:00 - [44] Originally by: Confuzer Well, it would be a nice feature when you engage someone at a SS which is jammed so no other people can warp int. If both parties agree to this, solo pvp can become big again :) Please tell me this was sarcastic. If not i will be forced to gouge my eyes out in disgust. Vote for Karille next CSM cycle. Forum players need a voice too.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2008.12.16 12:47:00 - [45] Originally by: Wen Johen I can assure you that in my Falcon i greatly enjoy the fight. I savor every moment imagining how frustrated the target must be when he is unable to lock anything. Ah but this is the very heart of the issue. YOU are having fun. However multiplayer games aren't just about you. Other people would like to have fun too but since they are frustrated when unable to lock anything they tend to be discouraged from playing it. I agree jammers make pvp, especially solo pvp boring, and falcon alts are the worst example of it. Someone going around "alone" with his falcon alt than whining how nobody wants to fight him "even when outnumbering him 2 or 3 to 1" is a very frequent thing these days. People, everyone competent spams scan when new guy comes to local, and you must uncloak in order to cloak after jumping. EVERYONE knows you have a falcon alt so just drop it. P.S. "You" isnt aimed at anyone in particular here.
Tippia Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.12.16 12:58:00 - [46] Originally by: Confuzer Well, it would be a nice feature when you engage someone at a SS which is jammed so no other people can warp int. If both parties agree to this, solo pvp can become big again :) Wait for the betting pits in Ambulation… No sig for me, thankyouverymuch.
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.12.16 12:59:00 - [47] EVE is about backstabbing and ****ing the other guy. You honestly think honor in a 1v1 exists here? Ha.
Tippia Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.12.16 13:04:00 - [48] …also, I prefer the obnoxiousness of Gallente recons over the silly Caldari ones: "Ha-haa! You can't lock me because I'm farther away than 10km… And ha-haa again — you can't get close enough because I've got your MWD scrammed from 20km away" No sig for me, thankyouverymuch.
The Tzar Malicious Intentions The Church.	Posted - 2008.12.16 13:19:00 - [49] Originally by: Benedic 1 ECCM isn't going to save you against a falcon with everything on you (correct race or not), no matter how crappy their gang is. 1 ship vs 1 falcon (+gang) no of course 1 ECCM won't shift the tide here. 5 ECM's vs 1 ECCM'd ship sub capital will nearly always win. It is a force multiplier so against a single opponent you would expect it to do well. __________________________________________ 'Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2008.12.16 13:23:00 - [50] Originally by: Tippia àalso, I prefer the obnoxiousness of Gallente recons over the silly Caldari ones: "Ha-haa! You can't lock me because I'm farther away than 10kmà And ha-haa again ù you can't get close enough because I've got your MWD scrammed from 20km away" Don't forget the "Ha-haa, I'll now rip your paperweight to shreds with my drones. Don't have a dronebay? Too bad"
Rellik B00n	Posted - 2008.12.16 14:40:00 - [51] yah you kids what do you know? The days of flying a random cruiser or BC through low sec and finding targets to fight in every system is behind us, more is the shame tbh. Regardless of what the 50% of Eve that have Falcon alts to protect say it has fitted nicely into the FOTM role although in the case of the falcon its more FOTY. Theres just a small number of us (some say "idiots" ) that dont automatically join the winning team when we play an FPS, dont feel the need to thrash a complete novice in our area of sporting expertise after offering them a "friendly." Id rather have a fight where i jump into 10 ships and get ****d AS LONG AS I GET TO FIRE BACK! The OP in his own way is just alluding to this in my interpretation of what he says. More fun, less Mustwin.
Grigo M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.12.16 15:04:00 - [52] Edited by: Grigo on 16/12/2008 15:06:04 /me detects high wining activity ... all together now...nurff ecm... jes guys just learn to use ure recons as for single pvp...yeah it is dead because nowan fly's alown anymore...but u can still gank alown...using recons in lowsec or 0.0....single in bs/bc will get u killed RO Originally by: Avernus ...some kudos to using your main to post like an asshat though... doesn't really take balls though, you're on the internet.
Bo Bojangles Interstellar eXodus	Posted - 2008.12.16 15:34:00 - [53] Originally by: Bowlo Cheeba Why keep thinking along the lines of the way it is now ? Why not give some of your subscribers what they want, and that is, systems where it's 1 on 1, 2 on 2, 5 on 5. Call them arena systems if you want, whatever. You would have ppl lined up to fight in a guaranteed 1 on 1 system, or new ppl signing up for Eve just for that sole reason alone, of having a chance to win, instead of getting blobbed. Even a 10% chance to win is enough for most ppl, but zero chance is pointless, and so is the current blob system of pvp. And before you start flaming, look at the big picture of Eve in its entirety, and what would help the game flourish. You really want the game to continue the way it is, with unplayable blobs for a couple more years, and then the game dies? Or would you rather try new things that might keep this game around for a long time? Try to consider the community as a whole, not just your own personal wishes. If Eve ever decides to slap training wheels on, then I'm gone. Eve with less risk is not Eve. Besides, you have Sisi for this kind of blandular crap, why would you even entertain the idea of 'instances' on Tranquility,.. and yes, this idea is effectively an instance.
Ghoest	Posted - 2008.12.16 15:41:00 - [54] Solo PVP is "dead" or what ever you want to call the current state because its only done against idiots or for **s and giggles. EVE has less idiots than before. So if your idea of solo PVP was ganking some newb wandering through low sec you find less of that now than you used to. If you just want to find other players out looking for solo fights thats less common too. Those kind of fights are pointless. And more people PVP for a reason now than before. If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.**
Gabriel Karade Celtic Anarchy	Posted - 2008.12.16 15:41:00 - [55] Originally by: Wen Johen Originally by: Phenomena X Originally by: Rose Nuke I jump in a geddon locks me starts shooting i return fire, he has me at 80% armour (in mega) he's at 50% (strucutre) good fight typhoon turns up yay more kills. abbaddon turns up ok i going to die but take 1-2 with me. then the falcon. i have to sit and watch them slowly kill me thanks. this is why solo pvp is dead. because you can never lock anything. in the remade set up i have an ecccm now instead of cap booster incase of neuts but i know i'll come up against a neuting ship next but atleast i don't have to sit there and slowly die. not a moan, not a rant just my thoughts. ships alreayd rebuilt and flying big deal. lol... you're pathectic. Don't blame the game for being broken when you just completly fail. I could post something constructive, like why you should always be using scouts, ect... but I stopped trying to explain things to "special" people. If you use second character as scout or Falcon alt, be it your own account or a friend - it ain't solo now, is it? I don't agree, a cov-ops scout is just common bloody sense and has been for the last 2-3 years. It's still 'solo' because your scout isn't going to pull you out of the fire if things go wrong ("Ah crap that was actually 4 Battleships and a falcon..."), and it's not as if you have any backup. Falcon alts, yeah they are lame, but again, not much help when it goes really wrong ("Ah crap that was actually 4 Battleships and a falcon...")... -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Rose Nuke State War Academy	Posted - 2008.12.16 15:59:00 - [56] i dont care about the dying i love going down in a good fight its the fact because i cant afford a falcon alt that i have to sit there and die. Yes i know its a multiplayer game but friends arnt always around. Just now i fought 2 battleships and died but was good fight so i dont care. So basicly im been penalised because i cant before 2 accounts.
Jalif Black Sinisters	Posted - 2008.12.16 16:00:00 - [57] well.. with the recent chances: agility, basicly you can escape from anything web, when playing smart, you can escape within an engagement when it is really needed :)
Mallikan Gallente KDS Navy	Posted - 2008.12.16 16:26:00 - [58] I solo'ed a Brutix in a Habringer the other day. It was a close fight and fun as hell. You have to look for solo pvp and work for it. --- For great justice. Or something.
Atara	Posted - 2008.12.16 17:01:00 - [59] Edited by: Atara on 16/12/2008 17:03:35 Originally by: Vrabac Originally by: Wen Johen I can assure you that in my Falcon i greatly enjoy the fight. I savor every moment imagining how frustrated the target must be when he is unable to lock anything. Ah but this is the very heart of the issue. YOU are having fun. However multiplayer games aren't just about you. Other people would like to have fun too but since they are frustrated when unable to lock anything they tend to be discouraged from playing it. I agree jammers make pvp, especially solo pvp boring, and falcon alts are the worst example of it. Someone going around "alone" with his falcon alt than whining how nobody wants to fight him "even when outnumbering him 2 or 3 to 1" is a very frequent thing these days. People, everyone competent spams scan when new guy comes to local, and you must uncloak in order to cloak after jumping. EVERYONE knows you have a falcon alt so just drop it. P.S. "You" isnt aimed at anyone in particular here. Most people fly around in gangs, often 5 or more, one guy with one ship doesn't stand a chance frankly. One guy with one ship and one falcon means he can fight such common gangs by himself. Falcons alts make solo pvp more viable. To the op what on earth are you whining about, if they had brought a guardian instead and kept whatever you were shooting repped up would you still be whining, also if you were jammed as long as you seem to be implying...jump out?
Malphilos	Posted - 2008.12.16 17:29:00 - [60] Originally by: Rellik B00n More fun, less Mustwin. This

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