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Rose Nuke
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:09:00 -
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I jump in a geddon locks me starts shooting i return fire, he has me at 80% armour (in mega) he's at 50% (strucutre) good fight typhoon turns up yay more kills. abbaddon turns up ok i going to die but take 1-2 with me. then the falcon. i have to sit and watch them slowly kill me thanks. this is why solo pvp is dead. because you can never lock anything. in the remade set up i have an ecccm now instead of cap booster incase of neuts but i know i'll come up against a neuting ship next but atleast i don't have to sit there and slowly die.
not a moan, not a rant just my thoughts. ships alreayd rebuilt and flying big deal.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:10:00 -
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Solo PvP is dead because no one is going around solo anymore.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:12:00 -
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Why this thread is awful:
Do I really need to explain?
 Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Zak Zerachiel
Caldari
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Solo PvP is dead because no one is going around solo anymore.
This man gets it.
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Rose Nuke
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:14:00 -
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Some people still try god i miss the days, shame i was only a noob when it was just starting to die
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Why this thread is awful:
Do I really need to explain?
No man you don't it's just a shame you have to suffer 
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rose Nuke
Some people still try god i miss the days, shame i was only a noob when it was just starting to die
I hear chumps got ganked in the old days too.
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supr3m3justic3
Caldari
Hakata Group
Blade.
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Solo PvP is dead because no one is going around solo anymore.
THIS...if you bring 2 i'll bring 3...and so on....
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Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:14:00 -
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1 ECCM isn't going to save you against a falcon with everything on you (correct race or not), no matter how crappy their gang is.
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: supr3m3justic3
Originally by: Abrazzar
Solo PvP is dead because no one is going around solo anymore.
THIS...if you bring 2 i'll bring 3...and so on....
I heard that worked out well in Y-2 for you yesterday
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Allahs Warrior
Gallente
Justified Hedonism And Dualism
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:23:00 -
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You're solo PVPing wrong. Set personal standings to their corp so you know when backup arrives. Saying "I attacked this guy and 5 buddies warped in, solo PVP is dead" is like saying "I ran into the pentagon and nobody would 1v1 fist fight me, boxing is dead." You're just doing it wrong. You have to find someone who's alone, or alone enough so that you can kill them before anyone else shows up. I haven't had a problem getting people to fight my frigate. However, as far as high stakes solo PVP, such as t2 cruisers or t2/officer fit battleships, people are less likely to honorably die risking 300mil or more.
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Jalif
Scorpion's Sting
Blades of Serenity
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:57:00 -
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I geuss people don't get who posted here above
Solo pvp is dead not because you have to fight more enemies. People fought in the best like with 1vs6 and they will still able to win. ITS NOT ABOUT 1vs1.
Its not about the amount of people that are fighting against you. But the effectiveness that you can fight against them.
Just because of the large amount of passive tanks & ECM is destroying the solo pvp. Basicly you just need more numbers and a large amound of ECM to win a battle.
The skills don't matter these days. It doesn't matter how awesome you are skilled in gunnery & armor because it is always better if you just bring a buddie who is badly skilled.
Long story short: Most solo-pvpers aren't able to fight against more then 1/2 persons even if they have awesome skills.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:06:00 -
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Use a smaller ship that can GTFO from the incoming trap. You can evade people much easier in BCs/HACs.
Its stupid to think you can fly around solo pwning in a BS, both in the times of old and the modern game.
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:24:00 -
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Statements like "solo pvp is dead" will never be taken seriously.
To have a chance as being taken seriously, it is better to say "solo pvp is hurting bad"
I will list factors that I think contribute to diminishing effectiveness of solo and small scale pvp:
1) Jump Bridges, titan bridges, jump freighters - these features work well in favor of big 0.0 alliances, by allowing them to safely travel wherever they want to go without leaving safety of their POS shields. This safe travel mode greatly reduces the 0.0 stargate traffic - especially for high value targets. A greatly reduced target environment means greatly reduced motivation to go out there and fight.
2) Game changes that make combat last longer. This is a complex issue that has many sides, some good, some bad. Generally it refers to reducing damage output and increasing tank. One thing for certain - longer lasting combat discourages small scale combat. Rose Nuke makes a perfect example of it in his original post. Long lasting combat encourages focused fire blob tactics - because that is the most efficient way to take out targets, to achieve victory. If situation was such that ships could be killed quickly by very small number of other ships, then big blobs focusing fire on single target would quickly get defeated by many small blobs that each attack a different target.
Also, faster combat means that a small group of ships has a chance to attack and kill another group of ships before their backup arrives - a potential increase of killing ability that directly stimulates more combat to occur.
3) Speed nerfs discourage small scale PvP in a similar way that longer lasting combat does. What it boils down to is this: the tactical opportunity to kill your target is decreased with a decrease in ship maneuverability. A decreased number of killing tactics will always lead to a decreased number of combat engagements. Ability to move fast created numerous tactics that allowed a small number of people to successfully engage a larger number of people - something that is very special in combat, usually the smaller group will always run and hide from larger group.
4) Ability to engage in surprise attacks. Having surprise in battle on your side is a major advantage, as any military leader would tell you. Ability to surprise the enemy in a game like EVE usually means things like: camping other side of the gate (very simple, but very popular), ability to hide reinforcements and bring them to battle quickly when it matters. As far as surprise attacks go, the main disadvantage for small gang pvp is local chat. CCP actually hinted that they will nerf local chat as scouting tool, so this would be the one thing CCP may do to actually encourage solo pvp.
Side note: a very important factor in solo pvp is existence of ships that can do all of the following at same time: tackle the enemy (prevent from running), break enemy tank, tank the enemy's damage. As long as we have ships that can do all of the above, there will exist ability to solo pvp.
Over the past several years we have seen a gradual but steady shift in game design that discourages small scale combat. There is little hope that CCP would change course in game design. Solo and small scale pvp will never be dead, it just won't have as many tactics and targets available as it did in the past. Only the most dedicated will continue to pursue it in target-poor environment.
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Soporo
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.15 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: Soporo on 15/12/2008 22:12:28
You forgot: It's now much harder for a lot of ships to engage foes even one below your ship class.
Quote:
Saying "I attacked this guy and 5 buddies warped in, solo PVP is dead" is like saying "I ran into the pentagon and nobody would 1v1 fist fight me, boxing is dead."
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F9OOEX
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Posted - 2008.12.15 22:17:00 -
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CCP is more interested in Fleet gang bangs and blobby the blobber combat. Solo pvping went out with Wham
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Neesa Corrinne
Rogue Shadow Squad
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.15 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Neesa Corrinne on 15/12/2008 22:21:46
The number one explanation for the death of solo / skirmish / guerrilla warfare?
Jump Bridges.
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HexXxon
Firman AB
101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 22:49:00 -
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Eve Features
first bullet
Massively multiplayer
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2008.12.15 22:51:00 -
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Solo pvp aint dead, I solo pvp.
Its just not easy. You need lots of skillpoints to have a broad choice of targets. You need the right ship with the right fit. You need to be patient, pick your targets right.
Falcon arent just a problem to solo pvp, they are a problem period. What is the problem ? They bring a new weapon to the field ... it is called BORINGNESS ... How can you enjoy a fight when a ship can use an on/off switch on you ...
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.12.15 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: HexXxon
Eve Features
first bullet
Massively multiplayer
Do you think linking it makes you look less like an idiot?
If you want, I can dig up the exact post where the dev said they wanted to keep small gang and solo PvP alive.
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HexXxon
Firman AB
101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 23:41:00 -
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nope, just stating a fact.
I have read those too. Played other mmo's with the option of solo pvp...reason i came to eve was big epic space battles. Don't tell me you didn't think of those too when you started the game. Thats what an mmo is all about really playing with others.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Ninjas N Pirates
Wong Thong Crew
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Posted - 2008.12.15 23:47:00 -
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"Solo PvP is not dead" ~Garmon
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2008.12.15 23:53:00 -
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Edited by: Pohbis on 15/12/2008 23:56:54
So last day I was out in my ECCM fitted Falcon, then they put damps on me 
... but hey, what about you? You lost 1vs4? How's life? Good thing they didn't RR eh? I tell ya' solo PvP is dead against those RR BS gangs.
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charming wanderer
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Posted - 2008.12.16 00:27:00 -
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IT really is a sad state of affairs when people team up and work together in a mmo. This is truly a sign that EVE is dying... For REAL this time.
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Soporo
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.16 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: HexXxon
nope, just stating a fact.
I have read those too. Played other mmo's with the option of solo pvp...reason i came to eve was big epic space battles. Don't tell me you didn't think of those too when you started the game.
Thats what an mmo is all about really playing with others.
You make no sense. A Soloist IS playing with others. He's tracking them, attacking them, and probably getting chased by a number of people as well. So what's your friggin point again?
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Ma'kal
Caldari
SUNDERING
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2008.12.16 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: charming wanderer
IT really is a sad state of affairs when people team up and work together in a mmo. This is truly a sign that EVE is dying... For REAL this time.
Winner for best comment.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.12.16 01:04:00 -
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solo pvp isnt dead...
Broadsword has wicked base shield res... then a ship bonus... it's passive shield tank is epic wicked.
Easily becomes solopwnmobile when targets are solo also. Which can happen.
If they only bring 1 falcon and 2 other ships? that's not bad tbh... where are ur friends?
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.12.16 01:11:00 -
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Solo as we know it is dead, because people triple box with falcon dictor and dps, and call it "Solo" pvp
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.16 01:18:00 -
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Solo pvp is dead because I'm not pvp'ing right now :P
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Bai ZongTong
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.12.16 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
"Solo PvP is not dead" ~Garmon
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