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Mbizi	Posted - 2008.12.17 23:16:00 - [1] Edited by: Mbizi on 17/12/2008 23:18:03 I have submitted petitions for this and have been told that scamming is perfectly legal in EVE Online. I don't want to seem carebearish but if CCP expects to gain a bigger player base I would suggest they clean out the trash and start banning scammers. It's no wonder people leave this game, if CCP permits scamming flat out (which they do) then that truly speaks for the lack of integrity they have and how much they care about their players. I would compare it to real life, if someone was scamming another in real life there are laws and regulations that would either put that person in jail or have them fined and transactions reversed. For example, renaming fake gold jewelry to Tiffany gold jewelry is illegal and that person could end up in a lawsuit and spending years in jail for fraud. In EVE it is not different, there needs to be regulations controlling this. By allowing free and open game for scammers, CCP is allowing people to trash what could be and already is a good game. Furthermore, ISK scamming is not permitted and could have someone banned. Scamming items is no different, ultimately it is ISK being scammed from someone else. I strongly suggest CCP starts caring more about its player base and starts cleaning up the trash as I said before. Most other MMO's do not permit this type of scamming and I realize CCP wants to make EVE different and stand out but I think it's about time that for this particular instance they should follow suit. If you want examples of scammers just look in the Jita local channel. I ask people to keep this thread up and lets encourage CCP to do something about this. --------------- Free phpBB3 Forum Hosting!
Johli Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.12.17 23:31:00 - [2] EVE ≠ RL
Nnamuachs Caldari Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.12.17 23:37:00 - [3] Originally by: Johli EVE ≠ RL WHAT?!?! since when? Also.. you go to jail for killing someone in real life... so everyone who kills another player in eve should be banned too...
Mbizi	Posted - 2008.12.17 23:47:00 - [4] I knew ppl would use that argument but that's fine, there's already a very steep learing curve for new players, why not just make it harder for ppl by allowing scamming. That's really going to sit well with people. If I was knew and scammed I would simply not come back, and I have a few friends that joined and quit because too many people took advantage of the market by scamming or isk farming. --------------- Free phpBB3 Forum Hosting!
Karentaki Gallente Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.12.17 23:54:00 - [5] Originally by: Johli EVE ≠ RL THIS THIS THIS!!!! Please, for the love of logic stop using real life examples to prove that you are right and the other 500,000 players are all wrong (not sure on the exact number). this is a GAME!!! Games are meant to be fun, not full of regulations to protect the stupid and punish the intelligent. Please, just do natural selection a favour and send yourself. (in game) Quote: EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
Jareck Hunter Academy of Decadence Hereticus Aegis Communis	Posted - 2008.12.18 00:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Nnamuachs Originally by: Johli EVE ≠ RL WHAT?!?! since when? Also.. you go to jail for killing someone in real life... so everyone who kills another player in eve should be banned too... Well in EvE your Ship gets killed by Concord if you kill someone you are not allowed to in empire. In every other aspect, we are like soldiers in war, killing our enemys. There should be a way to punish scammers. And not only ignoring them. And don't say, fly to him and kill him, thats not allowed in empire, and most scammers never leave it nor station. Maybe a rating system for players would be nice, like EBay or so. Just my 2 Cent. ------------------------------------------------- Sorry for my bad english^^ Join public Channel "Decadence" or visit www.eve-decadence.de
Myrkala Minmatar Aurora Acclivitous	Posted - 2008.12.18 00:38:00 - [7] Or you can just stop accepting stupid contracts? "Ruppie ain't no puppie."
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.12.18 01:50:00 - [8] Originally by: Mbizi Edited by: Mbizi on 17/12/2008 23:18:03 I have submitted petitions for this and have been told that scamming is perfectly legal in EVE Online. I don't want to seem carebearish but if CCP expects to gain a bigger player base I would suggest they clean out the trash and start banning scammers. It's no wonder people leave this game, if CCP permits scamming flat out (which they do) then that truly speaks for the lack of integrity they have and how much they care about their players. I would compare it to real life, if someone was scamming another in real life there are laws and regulations that would either put that person in jail or have them fined and transactions reversed. For example, renaming fake gold jewelry to Tiffany gold jewelry is illegal and that person could end up in a lawsuit and spending years in jail for fraud. In EVE it is not different, there needs to be regulations controlling this. By allowing free and open game for scammers, CCP is allowing people to trash what could be and already is a good game. Furthermore, ISK scamming is not permitted and could have someone banned. Scamming items is no different, ultimately it is ISK being scammed from someone else. I strongly suggest CCP starts caring more about its player base and starts cleaning up the trash as I said before. Most other MMO's do not permit this type of scamming and I realize CCP wants to make EVE different and stand out but I think it's about time that for this particular instance they should follow suit. If you want examples of scammers just look in the Jita local channel. I ask people to keep this thread up and lets encourage CCP to do something about this. By NOT banning scammers CCP is showing more integrity than if they did. EVE is a sandbox for you to make your castles anyway you see fit, and for other people to come over to your castle and kick it in your face, kill you and then put your corpse in their castle inside a cargo container somewhere.
Berikath	Posted - 2008.12.18 01:58:00 - [9] Originally by: Jareck Hunter Well in EvE your Ship gets killed by Concord if you kill someone you are not allowed to in empire. In every other aspect, we are like soldiers in war, killing our enemys. There should be a way to punish scammers. And not only ignoring them. And don't say, fly to him and kill him, thats not allowed in empire, and most scammers never leave it nor station. Maybe a rating system for players would be nice, like EBay or so. Just my 2 Cent. Oh yeah! Add a way to let people fight like REAL merchants- bribe the station commander to screw over the other guy, then run away and hide! Seriously though, it might be interesting to add a way to add some way to get retribution against people who give you economic woes. Maybe your bribes increase the tax rate of the guy for a while... only thing is, you'd have to make it so multiple small bribes against a person > one big bribe... say, one person puts a 100 mil bribe on the other, theres a .1% tax increase. 100 people put a 1 mil bribe against him, he gets a .5% tax increase... 200 make a 2% tax increase, 500 or 1000 and suddenly the person is paying 20 or 30% of their contracts as tax. I guess maybe it should affect the cost to post the contract in addition to/instead of an increased tax, since 70% of a 99% profit scam is still 69% profit, but if it starts costing an arm and a leg to relist the scam, then it's a lot less likely to continue.
Mbizi	Posted - 2008.12.18 02:07:00 - [10] There needs to be a way to punish scammers, you can't say that anyone can kill them outside the station because these people will never leave empire and many times never even undock. There's no way to take retroactive action against these people and this simply is ridiculous for CCP to turn a blind eye, it ruins the game balance. Some of the replies to this are exactly the type of player base that ruins games, luckily there are enough people in here that are kind and helpful to undo the actions of the ***s like some of you replying. --------------- Free phpBB3 Forum Hosting!**
Grarr Dexx Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.12.18 02:16:00 - [11] No. Eve's a goddamned sandbox. Stop being an idiot and getting scammed. I've never been scammed in the entire ten months or so that I've played. CCP needs to keep their police, it's a bar of sorts, helps keep the incredible idiots out of our beloved game. ----- Nexus stamps of approvalÖ count: 1
Mbizi	Posted - 2008.12.18 02:20:00 - [12] Originally by: Grarr Dexx No. Eve's a goddamned sandbox. Stop being an idiot and getting scammed. I've never been scammed in the entire ten months or so that I've played. CCP needs to keep their police, it's a bar of sorts, helps keep the incredible idiots out of our beloved game. If it is a sandbox then why not allow isk farming/reselling/etc...? Why not allow macroing? Oh yea because it's not sandbox. What is a sandbox to you anyways? Or did you hear someone else say it and thought it made you sound credible? --------------- Free phpBB3 Forum Hosting!
Drogher Forerunner	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:12:00 - [13] The thing is if u get scammed you either were not paying attention, are stupid, new to the game or all of the above. Also stop complaining that you cant do anything about scammers. That RL has consequences and government regulations to deal with it. That stuff is in the game already. These things are run by players. Someone scams you into buying a lottery ticket or scams you out of an item, then go find someone to help hunt him down and take it back, or just hurt him lots. Or do it yourself. Go on a vendetta against all scammers and try to rid eve of the unruley bunch of scammers. You wanna compare RL to eve, well despite regulations, scammers still scam people and get away with it. Grow a pair and grow some braincells and go get it back, get help to make them pay or learn from your mistake. Complaining is fine as long as you realise its pointless, mostly because your too lazy to try and find a way to solve the problem yourself. The tools are in the game to do it so use them.
Mbizi	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:18:00 - [14] Edited by: Mbizi on 18/12/2008 03:18:44 Originally by: Drogher Forerunner The thing is if u get scammed you either were not paying attention, are stupid, new to the game or all of the above. Also stop complaining that you cant do anything about scammers. That RL has consequences and government regulations to deal with it. That stuff is in the game already. These things are run by players. Someone scams you into buying a lottery ticket or scams you out of an item, then go find someone to help hunt him down and take it back, or just hurt him lots. Or do it yourself. Go on a vendetta against all scammers and try to rid eve of the unruley bunch of scammers. You wanna compare RL to eve, well despite regulations, scammers still scam people and get away with it. Grow a pair and grow some braincells and go get it back, get help to make them pay or learn from your mistake. Complaining is fine as long as you realise its pointless, mostly because your too lazy to try and find a way to solve the problem yourself. The tools are in the game to do it so use them. Drogher read my responses pls, there is no way to effectively strike back when these ppl just sit in stations 24/7. --------------- Free phpBB3 Forum Hosting!
Drogher Forerunner	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:27:00 - [15] Originally by: Mbizi Originally by: Grarr Dexx No. Eve's a goddamned sandbox. Stop being an idiot and getting scammed. I've never been scammed in the entire ten months or so that I've played. CCP needs to keep their police, it's a bar of sorts, helps keep the incredible idiots out of our beloved game. If it is a sandbox then why not allow isk farming/reselling/etc...? Why not allow macroing? Oh yea because it's not sandbox. What is a sandbox to you anyways? Or did you hear someone else say it and thought it made you sound credible? Ummm i think isk farming is allowed, its called grinding, carebares know it well. Reselling ISK and macroing etc.. as far as i know are using means alien to the world of eve to effect eve or profit from the interlectual property that is eve without consent or rights. And before the argument of "I pay my RL cash to play eve and therefore RL is effecting it" pops up. Your paying your cash for the means to take part in the sandbox that is the mechanics generated in and for the world of eve and what people can think to use those mechanics for. Sandbox= A universe with mechanics/physics that govern that universe. So how ever you can figure a way to use those mechanics for what you want in the game, then you can do it. at least thats how i would describe the sandbox.
Drogher Forerunner	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Mbizi Edited by: Mbizi on 18/12/2008 03:18:44 Originally by: Drogher Forerunner The thing is if u get scammed you either were not paying attention, are stupid, new to the game or all of the above. Also stop complaining that you cant do anything about scammers. That RL has consequences and government regulations to deal with it. That stuff is in the game already. These things are run by players. Someone scams you into buying a lottery ticket or scams you out of an item, then go find someone to help hunt him down and take it back, or just hurt him lots. Or do it yourself. Go on a vendetta against all scammers and try to rid eve of the unruley bunch of scammers. You wanna compare RL to eve, well despite regulations, scammers still scam people and get away with it. Grow a pair and grow some braincells and go get it back, get help to make them pay or learn from your mistake. Complaining is fine as long as you realise its pointless, mostly because your too lazy to try and find a way to solve the problem yourself. The tools are in the game to do it so use them. Drogher read my responses pls, there is no way to effectively strike back when these ppl just sit in stations 24/7. #] There is... its called paying attention to what your doing. If you dont fall for the scam then the scam doesnt hurt you. If you dont want it to hurt others, then try starting a corp and a website dedicated to letting newbies know of the terrors of scams in eve and how they can avoid them like you didnt. Try to lessen the number of suckers who fall for the scam to make it less profitable overall for all scammers. Convince 10 people to follow that message and tell them to convince 10 more, soon you will have an alliance of anti-scamming newbies, not falling for scams at all. And you can be proud in the knowledge that 10 thousand newbs and the many that follow will know the message of how scammers scam and how not to fall for them. And then the supply of suckers will wither and die and scammers will have to compete to out scam each other to get the suckers but nae... there will be no suckers for they have heard the words of the anti-scammers and it will be all because of you. One thing i love about this game is that even though that it is incredibly unlikely, it is technically possibble to do in this game.
DonutIV	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:09:00 - [17] In the end the only way to fight scams is like in real life. Be smart about things if its too good to be true then it is. And above all remember some people dont care how they turn a profit so always look at a deal with a healthy dose of suspicion. What we need is more independent players who can do more than count their dps because like the government ccp and concord wont always be there to save you, you gotta take care of yourself.
Berikath	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:19:00 - [18] Originally by: DonutIV In the end the only way to fight scams is like in real life. Be smart about things if its too good to be true then it is. And above all remember some people dont care how they turn a profit so always look at a deal with a healthy dose of suspicion. What we need is more independent players who can do more than count their dps because like the government ccp and concord wont always be there to save you, you gotta take care of yourself. IRL, you can report scammers and, if found, they will (hopefully) be prosecuted, because scams are illegal. CCP created their own nice little world which doesn't exactly follow the same rules... they don't provide a police force, they provide consequences, either via NPCs or by giving players a chance for retribution. Currently scamming breaks that philosophy: there are no consequences- not even name recognition as a scammer, since it takes all of 30 seconds to delete the character people know and create another. CCP shouldn't punish scamming, but they should provide avenues of retribution... they do for pretty much everything else in the game. Steal? You get flagged. Gank someone? If it was in high sec, they get kill rights- failing that, get a bounty... the fact that it's easily abused doesn't change the fact that it exists.
Caldari 5 Amarr The Element Syndicate Black Mesa Project	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:58:00 - [19] Perhaps scamming should become like being a pirate and have a security status hit from it? not sure how to implement it, maybe some reporting system, if multiple people report the same contract it gives the same sec hit as assisting a pirate?
MooKids Caldari Dark Echo Engineering	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:02:00 - [20] EVE is like the Old West, but in space, and with large ships. There might be "laws" in place to try to protect people, and a sheriff(CONCORD) to protect the "civilized" places, but at the end of the day, justice comes from the barrel of a gun. If you are too blind/stupid to pay attention to your surroundings, you won't last long. Not that hard to take your time to look to see what you are buying and how much you are paying. Also, lets not forget the number one rule of EVE, TRUST NO ONE! I would think a 2006 player with a -1.5 SS would know that by now. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Berikath	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Caldari 5 Perhaps scamming should become like being a pirate and have a security status hit from it? not sure how to implement it, maybe some reporting system, if multiple people report the same contract it gives the same sec hit as assisting a pirate? Problem is, a sec status hit doesn't do anything to a scammer. After they get where they're going they never have to leave station, and can just wire ISK to their "Real" character. Penalties regarding scamming should make it harder to scam, not make it harder to do something the scamming character probably never does anyway.
Caldari 5 Amarr The Element Syndicate Black Mesa Project	Posted - 2008.12.18 06:09:00 - [22] Originally by: Berikath Originally by: Caldari 5 Perhaps scamming should become like being a pirate and have a security status hit from it? not sure how to implement it, maybe some reporting system, if multiple people report the same contract it gives the same sec hit as assisting a pirate? Problem is, a sec status hit doesn't do anything to a scammer. After they get where they're going they never have to leave station, and can just wire ISK to their "Real" character. Penalties regarding scamming should make it harder to scam, not make it harder to do something the scamming character probably never does anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't decreased sec status decrease standings, and thus increase tax?
Berikath	Posted - 2008.12.18 06:16:00 - [23] Originally by: Caldari 5 Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't decreased sec status decrease standings, and thus increase tax? I can't say 100% for certain, but to my knowledge the only tax rate that any kind of standing affects is reprocessing taxes, and AFAIK scams are usually more along the lines of contracts, trades, or direct money deposits. Regardless, no NPC taxes get high enough to even make a dent in scams, since the point is to make a huge one time profit... aka, sell a raven as a CNR, making 300 mil or so. After all, it's not like scammers get repeat customers, and can make their $$ on volume.
de drada	Posted - 2008.12.18 07:02:00 - [24] Edited by: de drada on 18/12/2008 07:02:53 Scamming is part of eve since eve exists and will allways be part of eve. But it has reached a level now which is far to high and could be easyly cut down. 1. disable contracts for trial-accounts Most of the scammers seem to use trial accounts over and over and disabling contracts for trial accounts will cut scams significant. 2. block users after lets say 500 posts in Jita local during one day IMHO scammers use bots or macro for their advertisments in local, because no matter what time it is, i see always the same scammers (switching to a new trial account after a couple of days) posting their contracts at frequent intervals
Koyama Ise Caldari Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon	Posted - 2008.12.18 08:17:00 - [25] I have only one issue with scamming, the majority of it is done on alts thus the risk vs. reward goes out the window. Risk; none, Rewards; high if unpredictable. Even if scamming was allowed in real life you certanly not creating some human who's only goal in life is to scam one person and give all the isk to another... --- Trolling a forum near you. Originally by: rValdez5987 I dont like your sig. It fills me with rage. I want it removed. Reported.
Xindi Kraid Cerulean Sky Fire Industries	Posted - 2008.12.18 08:18:00 - [26] Personally I like the freedom of EvE. I am a strong believer that the management/government sould not have to protect their citizens from themselves. If somone does something stupid, it's their own damn fault, and they should be more careful in the future. -Xindi Kraid CSFI lead engineer and shipwright Improve POS cargo access
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2008.12.18 09:37:00 - [27] When someone in real life sells you a fake gold ring, it doesn't come with a label that says "fake gold ring". In EVE a fake navy megathron comes with a label "megathron". If you're too lazy or stupid to check, the consequences are yours. If you stay away from direct trades, double check your contracts and triple check things that sound to good to be true, you can't get scammed. At the point of your eve life that you got the kind of cash to lose on scams, you really should have learned these rules. The scam the new player argument is silly. They don't have cash to scam for. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
de drada	Posted - 2008.12.18 10:17:00 - [28] The Problem with the scammers is not being scammed - everyone who has been scammes has deserved it - it's the spam in local. In Jita it's useless to look at local or to post a real contract, because the scamming-bots are flooding the local.
Elena Morin'staal Minmatar Tau Online Explorator Corp	Posted - 2008.12.18 10:35:00 - [29] IMO, if 10 newbies get scammed, 9 quit and one learns from it and becomes a good player, then thats a happy tradeoff. I often browse some of the offered contracts in Jita local, and I always chuckle at the people replying with "ZOMFG ITS TEH SCAM!" Eve is dark. If you get fooled by a scam, then by god learn your lesson and don't fall for it again. Come back in 6 months and scam someone yourself.
Deimi	Posted - 2008.12.18 11:34:00 - [30] Originally by: Mbizi If it is a sandbox then why not allow isk farming/reselling/etc...? Why not allow macroing? Oh yea because it's not sandbox. What is a sandbox to you anyways? Or did you hear someone else say it and thought it made you sound credible? ISK selling and reselling already are found in the game, the GTC sales and more recently the PLEX. These are a regulated and for the Plex also safe method for transferring ingame funds. So we got ISK selling and reselling already. Macroing is also allowed, some complain a lot on macro miners, but I say just let them if they are amused of playing that way. Doesn't affect me in any major way, hardly at all really. Ship and module prices are lower than they would be if those guys didn't provide materials in volumes. So I dont think they cause more damage than the benefit, to me the macro miners are a zero factor in the game. So bottom line is that both these are allowed but in a regulated way, and that is the way it should be, under a certain level of control. Is it a new forum rule. That for everyone posting something you don't agree on. You should accuse them of being a troll? ;)
ShadowDraqon Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2008.12.18 12:40:00 - [31] Scamming is a valid gameplay style, not that I do it. If you're not smart enough to avoid buying a normal megathron for 270 million, well, then buhu, this isn't a game for you to log in and go braindead for 6 hours. Eve IS a sandbox game: - Sandbox game: YOU decide what you want to do and how, where, and when you want to do it. Imagination is your biggest limit. - Not sandbox game: You can only do this and that, decided by the game designers. All your goals in the game are predetermined, requiring you to do this, then that, then the other thing, in that order. The game is played along a closed line of events. ~ THIS IS A ~ ~ SIGNATURE! ~ Put the MM in the MMO!
Yolo Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:10:00 - [32] CCP does not promote scamming, but its a part of the world we play in. They however do promote and market the ability to kill people. hows that compared to scamming?
eliminator2 Gallente Young Enterprise Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:21:00 - [33] Originally by: Nnamuachs Originally by: Johli EVE ≠ RL WHAT?!?! since when? Also.. you go to jail for killing someone in real life... so everyone who kills another player in eve should be banned too... troll or worse a WOW player this however made me laugh about been banned ^^ game? online? multiplayer? do anything you want within EULA?
Drogher Forerunner	Posted - 2008.12.18 14:19:00 - [34] Originally by: de drada Edited by: de drada on 18/12/2008 07:02:53 Scamming is part of eve since eve exists and will allways be part of eve. But it has reached a level now which is far to high and could be easyly cut down. 1. disable contracts for trial-accounts Most of the scammers seem to use trial accounts over and over and disabling contracts for trial accounts will cut scams significant. 2. block users after lets say 500 posts in Jita local during one day IMHO scammers use bots or macro for their advertisments in local, because no matter what time it is, i see always the same scammers (switching to a new trial account after a couple of days) posting their contracts at frequent intervals 1.That is a really good idea. Not having contracts for people actually checking out the game might seem like removing a key piece of the game for them to learn about but really, if your a on a trial account you couldnt afford the contracts anyway. It would just be one of those many things players cant wait to check out once they begin to pay for the game. The tutorial could still explain what it does to wet a players appitite for when they begin paying. 2. not sure on the limit there, but im guessing your just throwing in a ball park figure.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.18 14:41:00 - [35] Originally by: de drada 2. block users after lets say 500 posts in Jita local during one day IMHO scammers use bots or macro for their advertisments in local, because no matter what time it is, i see always the same scammers (switching to a new trial account after a couple of days) posting their contracts at frequent intervals Everyone that gets scammed deserves it, but this i actually agree with. Not because its scammers, but because they are spammers.
Enkimdu	Posted - 2008.12.18 14:54:00 - [36] Not bothered to read the previous posts but IF YOU GET SCAMMED, YOU DESERVE IT. DONT ACCEPT STUPID CONTRACTS OR BUY ITEMS THAT ARE OVER THE MARKET VALUE. Scamming prevented.
Scouteye Locasta Tactical	Posted - 2008.12.18 15:27:00 - [37] Dont shop in Jita, its not the cheapest place anyway, thats a good way to stop getting scammed for a start Theres a forum on eve-o called crime and punishment, its where pirates and the like are named and shamed, corp thiefs etc. Why not use it to name and shame those that are scammers. CCP have given us the tools to both scamm and get revenge on scammers, you just have to use them.
VoiceInTheDesert Gallente Diplomatic Disruption	Posted - 2008.12.18 17:42:00 - [38] This game is a sandbox. If you don't like that the other kids put some down your shirt, get a gun and shoot them in the face. That's the beauty of the sandbox...you can do anything. Instead of being sad about your spaceship pixels, go get them back by stealing/destroying/scamming their pixels in return.
de drada	Posted - 2008.12.18 18:39:00 - [39] Originally by: Scouteye Theres a forum on eve-o called crime and punishment, its where pirates and the like are named and shamed, corp thiefs etc. Why not use it to name and shame those that are scammers. Posting their names is totally sense- and useless. The scammers change their alt's after few days. A trial account lasts 14 days, you have 3 chars per account, that means you can use a char 5 days, if you are to lazy to create a new trial-account.
Rhett Buttler Amarr NNP alt mining corp of doom Wong Thong Crew	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:38:00 - [40] i stopped reading right after you started compairing an internet spaceship game set 20+ thousand years into the future to real life...
Anarich Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.12.18 23:25:00 - [41] Actually Jita is sometimes the cheapest place for some things at least for the Forge region. It is also sometimes the most expensive place for some things, like trit. Maybe an ability to vote to collectively mute someone might be helpful. Most of the scamming I can tell in Jita is either via contracts or via send me money and I will send you #x fold. A reworking of contracts to make them clearer would fix alot of the scamming being done. And if you are sending strangers money, then umm. honestly, just don't expect to get anything back.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.12.18 23:47:00 - [42] Originally by: Mbizi Originally by: Grarr Dexx No. Eve's a goddamned sandbox. Stop being an idiot and getting scammed. I've never been scammed in the entire ten months or so that I've played. CCP needs to keep their police, it's a bar of sorts, helps keep the incredible idiots out of our beloved game. If it is a sandbox then why not allow isk farming/reselling/etc...? Why not allow macroing? Oh yea because it's not sandbox. What is a sandbox to you anyways? Or did you hear someone else say it and thought it made you sound credible? You are a ****ing tard. ISK farming is allowed, but selling is not because you are trying to claim CCP's assets (the pixels, remember?). Get your material straight before you EVER click the post button again. ----- Nexus stamps of approvalÖ count: 1
Berikath	Posted - 2008.12.19 00:41:00 - [43] Edited by: Berikath on 19/12/2008 00:41:34 Originally by: Grarr Dexx You are a **ing tard. ISK farming is allowed, but selling is not because you are trying to claim CCP's assets (the pixels, remember?). Get your material straight before you EVER click the post button again. 1. Wow. Way to make your point WITHOUT seeming like a complete **. 2. You didn't even address macroing. 3. ISK selling isn't selling pixels, it's selling entries in a database. Hey, guess what GTCs are? Entries in a database! Why is it allowed to sell one entry, but not another? Oh yeah, because CCP wants to retain control over their world, and they only make money off one of them. The game is not a sandbox in the way you are implying. Get your own bloody facts straight before posting again.

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