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Shuugouteki
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Posted - 2008.12.24 01:09:00 -
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 Originally by: DrDooma
Originally by: Murkelost
Stuff
Agree, but if you are in a small corp you are at a disadvantage. Also, keep in mind that your suggestion takes out most tactics out of the equation and replaces it with pure dum luck just to catch a ratting Ravan.
My method would use a system just to figure out if someone was in local in the first place. The second step would be to use the directional scanner as it is used now to find the person in space.
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F4LC0N
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Posted - 2008.12.24 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Allen Ramses
How about switching constellation and local channels? Constellation is always open, local can be closed. Simple. It reports the presence of a pilot, but not anywhere in particular, unless both parties are in local. It's a boon to consensual PvPers, and it kills the cloaking problem. It also encourages people to use probes and system scanners.
this is a bad idea
it would give more intel then local does now and it would eliminate any type of bait or trap tactics other then hot dropping.
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DrDooma
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Posted - 2008.12.24 01:33:00 -
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No matter what tools you use, there has to be a way for people to tell that there is danger. Local, scan or any other method or you might as well role a D6 to decide if your ship lives or dies prior to undocking. As such, it does not matter what process you replace local with it must do the same job to be useful. So whatÆs the point?
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Shuugouteki
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Posted - 2008.12.24 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: DrDooma
No matter what tools you use, there has to be a way for people to tell that there is danger. Local, scan or any other method or you might as well role a D6 to decide if your ship lives or dies prior to undocking. As such, it does not matter what process you replace local with it must do the same job to be useful. So whatÆs the point?
The point is making it a fair and balanced tool that requires skill for both parties. Not fair how people can run away out of an asteroid belt before I even have a chance to click "scan." I didn't mind having to get my personal skills trained for the directional scanner, but I do mind how I people run away so fast (due to local) before I even have a chance to use my skills.
That's my point.
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Ashley Thomas
Kiith Paktu
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.12.24 06:36:00 -
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The most effective module in Eve requires no training, no skill to use and doesn't use up a high, mid, low or rig slot, and doesn't use powergrid, cpu, or even calibration points. It even comes standard issue on every ship and pod in Eve. It instantly detects every pilot, cloaked or not, and distinguishes between friend, foe, corp mate, alliance mate, pirate, war target with 100% accuracy and instantly lets you know when they leave.
Now, how can you say this is balanced with everything else and fits into the theme of Eve?
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Ya, that's what I thought
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David Grogan
Gallente
Crusaders of the Darkstar
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Posted - 2008.12.24 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: David Grogan on 24/12/2008 11:38:00
i think only cloaked players should not be visable in local but as soon as they decloak they appear in local............this gives the pvper hunting ratters the element of surprise but doesnt allow a huge fleet of uncloaked ships show up unnoticed
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Dhejay Centrix
Caldari
The Wailing Doom
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Posted - 2008.12.24 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: DrDooma
No matter what tools you use, there has to be a way for people to tell that there is danger.
It's called effective recon and intel.
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DrDooma
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Posted - 2008.12.24 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dhejay Centrix
Originally by: DrDooma
No matter what tools you use, there has to be a way for people to tell that there is danger.
It's called effective recon and intel.
By effective, you mean that type that tells you how many hostiles in current system and surrounding systems?
How exactly do you propose in collecting that info short of sitting 23/7 at every gate, station, and POS and counting incoming and outgoing traffic? And if there was a tool to assist you in this, wont it also get used by ratters to the same effect as local?
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Dhejay Centrix
Caldari
The Wailing Doom
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Posted - 2008.12.24 13:58:00 -
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Exactly. If you want to know everything that's going on in an area of space you need to camp the gates 23/7 and scan for ships if you think one got in.
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Emporors Champian
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Posted - 2008.12.24 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Emporors Champian on 24/12/2008 14:42:59
if you camp you make no progression and you are a skum bag maybe a couple hours of camp is even to much for a kill if you cant hunt then you fail big time!!!
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Murkelost
Swedish Aerospace Inc
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2009.01.05 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Emporors Champian
Edited by: Emporors Champian on 24/12/2008 14:42:59
if you camp you make no progression and you are a skum bag maybe a couple hours of camp is even to much for a kill if you cant hunt then you fail big time!!!
How do you hunt something that instantly either logs off, cloaks, or warp to safespot and does one of the previous mentioned?
Random luck would make it partly possible but it doesn't take much to beat a skilled hunter -> local.
just my 2 cents 
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Cleille
Dark World Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.06 00:42:00 -
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When CCP takes away local they should also nerf rats so a pilot can rat in a pvp setup.
Remove the station, belts everything from overview where you need to prob/scan to find them unless bookmarked. Also remove all bookmarks from eve at the same time everyone starts over. Problem with this is we get back to everyone having thousands of bookmarks. Maybe make it where you discover the area and it auto saves.
CCP make web sentry drones with a 50km range that a miner/ratter can deploy in a belt that webs anyone not in fleet. Guess a alt with a bubble just outside a belt will be needed.
Really the big alliances will not have a problem with this change they can simply have areas they guard with big bubbles and guard shifts. They should also be given sentry guns for gates and stations in sov systems though.
Sadly if they dont add something and only take away local this will favor the ganker more then anyone.
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CommanderData211
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Posted - 2009.01.06 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ashley Thomas
The most effective module in Eve requires no training, no skill to use and doesn't use up a high, mid, low or rig slot, and doesn't use powergrid, cpu, or even calibration points. It even comes standard issue on every ship and pod in Eve. It instantly detects every pilot, cloaked or not, and distinguishes between friend, foe, corp mate, alliance mate, pirate, war target with 100% accuracy and instantly lets you know when they leave.
Now, how can you say this is balanced with everything else and fits into the theme of Eve?
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Ya, that's what I thought
It's balanced because EVERYONE has it. PVPing is not an absolute right. You can't scan them down because they warp to a POS and thus make it impossible to do what you want to do? Well you're presence in the system also disallows the ratter to do what they want to do. Instead of doing away with local, why not use it to scare everyone not fighting into the station and gain valuable intel about the systems?
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2009.01.06 08:12:00 -
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your problem also lies in the constant minimal warp time.
you always warp a minimum of 20 seconds for the session timer to clear, so you can jump out on the next gate if you are traveling fast. this makes small ships and especialy interceptors as slow as bs in warp over less than 20AU distances.
this feature should be a togle option so you can switch your warp drive from fastest warp to convenient travel and vice versa.
this would help people in catching slow to warp ships (like BC/BS) in some situations in small ships.
add a new display in tactical overlay that shows your scan area based on the scanner setting. 360 degrees would show a sphere and down to a small cone for 5 degrees, so you can otient your scanner properly (or just color the covered brackets for moons/planets/belts/gates/stations) with a color that show they are covered by your ship orientation and scan setting.
add passive beacon detection. actualy same as delayed local with head count. auto update on scanner should be like 10 seconds minimum, if you want faster, click manualy.
etc ... :-)
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