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Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague. Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2008.12.21 07:52:00 - [31] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 21/12/2008 07:52:37 Originally by: Kate Nexus From ISK sink perspective they'd sink a lot more ISK with lower prices. Your drugs, my hangar, now. Page 2! ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2008.12.21 07:53:00 - [32] Originally by: Crackzilla Originally by: Kate Nexus it was easily repaired armor. It works out so 100% of struct + armor = cost of ship (I think). You could afford to buy the ship but not the repairs? This is like buying a Porsche and wondering why you're not getting the repair bill for a Ford. What are you talking about. I can afford to inject hundreds of million of ISK into space, but that's a total waste of my ISK and time. The repair bill was as much as BS insurance, for something a 25k module can do, in a 1.0 security system from an NPC. None of your analogies work, I think you need to take a class.
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2008.12.21 07:55:00 - [33] Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 21/12/2008 07:52:37 Originally by: Kate Nexus From ISK sink perspective they'd sink a lot more ISK with lower prices. Your drugs, my hangar, now. Page 2! No drugs, this is common MMO knowledge. If you overprice an item beyond belief, players will avoid it. If it's something they'll pay for convenience then you sink for game money out of the game economy.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.12.21 07:55:00 - [34] Originally by: Kate Nexus Edited by: Kate Nexus on 21/12/2008 07:07:13 So I was doing some L4 missions getting beat up. I go to repair my ship, and think I'd save about 30 seconds by using the repair shop. I'm used to games like WoW or every other MMO where the game gives reasonable prices for its NPC services. I repair and it takes 5 million!!! out of my wallet. That's 5 hours of my game time down the drain. I'm on that 5 day trial reinvite they sent to old accounts and I just have to say I'm amazed. That has to be a bug? I petitioned hoping I can get a refund and I'll just repair with a 10,000 ISK module and not having wasted by time by being ripped off by NPCs. This hurts my morale pretty bad, to have to play 5 more hours just to pay that back. Now I have to go finish my mission but the reward is like a debt to pay off this NPC scam. To be honest, I cant see how a 5 day old character can do level 4 missions! Heck! I am not even sure if a 5 day old character can do level 3's either! So I am asking myself a few qeustions here... No matter what, you should NOT be doing level 4 missions at 5 days! Try level 2 or 3! THEN maybe you will find it easier to survive too... Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Jacinta Worth Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.12.21 07:56:00 - [35] That sounds good, but they should disable the repairshop or reduce the price to something reasonable. The ISK flow will increase if it's competitive, right now I can only imagine in empire people who get tricked into it use it and nobody else. From ISK sink perspective they'd sink a lot more ISK with lower prices. If you're an empire person who's liekly to get 'tricked' into using repair services, most likely you're just starting, are in a small ship and therefore won't have quite as exhobitant a repair bill. If you're flying Ravens in level four missions your income will outweigh whatever bill the repair costs and if it doesn't, then you'll have beenn playing the game long enough to know not to spend the ISK. shrugs Just a non-issue.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.12.21 07:58:00 - [36] Originally by: Kate Nexus Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Kate Nexus Edited by: Kate Nexus on 21/12/2008 07:31:53 Originally by: Gojyu On average, running level 4 combat missions with decent skills should be netting you between 10-20mil isk an hour, depending on said skills and ship fitting. Thus, a 5mil repair should be about 15-30 minutes of your mission running time. Given that you should hardly, if ever, go into damage you're not tanked for, this is not that bad a deal. Your problem is not that you are being charged 5mil isk for a repair job, your problem is that you're somehow only earning 1mil isk an hour running your missions. To continue the wow theme, imagine trying to purchase a mount through farming level 10 mobs outside your capital city. It would take a while wouldn't it? and anyone who did it would think the price of said mount to be astronomical, given it'd take years to accumulate the gold from said mobs I didn't ask about optimal ISK/hr, I play to enjoy myself not slave mine ISK. No I don't have a faction fitted perma-tank, but I do fine anyways. I didn't mention my ship because it's irrelevant, but you criticize it without having seen it. Maybe it's you fitting no guns and tech 1, because you criticise my tech 2? Have you ever heard of a challenge? No? Ok then, maybe WoW is more suited to you. I like a challenge, but that isn't what this post is about. It's about NPC prices which don't make sense; you can buy a module for a fraction that does the same thing. I don't know if CCP likes this idea, but maybe you should be able to use armor and shield reps in station, OR it should be based on HOW MUCH hp your healing and not the cost of the ship. thoughts? That sounds good, but they should disable the repairshop or reduce the price to something reasonable. The ISK flow will increase if it's competitive, right now I can only imagine in empire people who get tricked into it use it and nobody else. From ISK sink perspective they'd sink a lot more ISK with lower prices. that your corps should get discounts, or something at home stastions. Or the higher your rank in Factional warfare the cheaper your repair cost in matar stations. anything really. or make it player run. That would be cool.
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague. Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2008.12.21 07:59:00 - [37] I find it odd how many people are taking this seriously. It is quite obvious this is a joke thread. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2008.12.21 08:02:00 - [38] Edited by: Kate Nexus on 21/12/2008 08:03:17 Edited by: Kate Nexus on 21/12/2008 08:03:09 Originally by: Jacinta Worth If you're an empire person who's likely to get 'tricked' into using repair services, most likely you're just starting, are in a small ship and therefore won't have quite as exhorbitant a repair bill. Ok, then I'm completing level 4's in an imicus. This must make me the best EVE player ever. I think you need to read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
Crackzilla The Shadow Order New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.12.21 08:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Kate Nexus right now I can only imagine in empire people who get tricked into it use it and nobody else. From ISK sink perspective they'd sink a lot more ISK with lower prices. There simply isn't anyway for reps to removing enough of isk as a sink to matter. Reps in empire with the current prices do have value. They encourage cooperation as someone may help rep someone else. They encourage other methods of repping. Also consider the pvp aspect. If someone is blockaded and trapped in station, undocking may mean they take damage which has to be repped for a significant cost when redocked. Otherwise someone could setup for maximum buffer, undock, shoot, redock, purchase reps for nothing, and redock. So the repair price needs to be significant.
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.12.21 08:04:00 - [40] Strangely, in Eve, stupidity is non-refundable. Also, 1m isk per hour ! And you have a ship that is worth enough to require 5m of repairs ? You realise that means in your time in game you earn under 6 US cents per hour. Just go buy a game time card and sell it for the isk, it will do everyone a favour. Repairing with a module takes time, for a huge number of people in this game, that isk is worth less than the time to repair with the module, if it's not for you, you're doing it all wrong.
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2008.12.21 08:07:00 - [41] Edited by: Kate Nexus on 21/12/2008 08:07:19 Originally by: Lord Fitz You realise that means in your time in game you earn under 6 US cents per hour. I don't work in EVE. Do you? I thought this was a game, apparently some of you think it's a job. Are you guys ISK farmers or something?
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague. Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2008.12.21 08:09:00 - [42] Originally by: Kate Nexus Edited by: Kate Nexus on 21/12/2008 08:07:19 Originally by: Lord Fitz You realise that means in your time in game you earn under 6 US cents per hour. I don't work in EVE. Do you? I thought this was a game, apparently some of you think it's a job. Are you guys ISK farmers or something? She's on to us guys. Cloak up! ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2008.12.21 08:12:00 - [43] I knew it!
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2008.12.21 08:15:00 - [44] Edited by: Kate Nexus on 21/12/2008 08:15:12 How do I modify my petitions? Mine just comes up with a blank new one. I want to add some feedback from this thread.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.12.21 08:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Kate Nexus Edited by: Kate Nexus on 21/12/2008 08:15:12 How do I modify my petitions? Mine just comes up with a blank new one. I want to add some feedback from this thread. Can you put in your petition that I think you are an idiot? Very important feedback imo. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Maria Kalista	Posted - 2008.12.21 08:41:00 - [46] Epic! OP, don't forget to watch Clear Skies, you're doing the openings scene all over. Quote: How Much!? Originally by: CCP Mitnal You put a bear in your tea???
General Ric EXPLORATIS	Posted - 2008.12.21 08:43:00 - [47] Originally by: Crackzilla It works out so 100% of struct + armor = cost of ship (I think). You could afford to buy the ship but not the repairs? This is like buying a Porsche and wondering why you're not getting the repair bill for a Ford. Using that analogy, its more like you get some dents and scratches on your porsche, and in order to fix it they charge you the cost of a new porsche. Armor is armor, the armor on a battleship shouldn't be any more expensive or cheaper than the armor on a frigate, with the exception that there is more of it.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.21 09:33:00 - [48] Petition results eagerly anticipated!
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.21 09:36:00 - [49] Originally by: General Ric Originally by: Crackzilla It works out so 100% of struct + armor = cost of ship (I think). You could afford to buy the ship but not the repairs? This is like buying a Porsche and wondering why you're not getting the repair bill for a Ford. Using that analogy, its more like you get some dents and scratches on your porsche, and in order to fix it they charge you the cost of a new porsche. Armor is armor, the armor on a battleship shouldn't be any more expensive or cheaper than the armor on a frigate, with the exception that there is more of it. Um, no, that like if you total your porsche, they charge you the cost of a new porsche. If you only wreck 50% of the bodywork then you pay less.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.21 09:37:00 - [50] Originally by: Kate Nexus Edited by: Kate Nexus on 21/12/2008 07:07:13 So I was doing some L4 missions getting beat up. I go to repair my ship, and think I'd save about 30 seconds by using the repair shop. I'm used to games like WoW or every other MMO where the game gives reasonable prices for its NPC services. I repair and it takes 5 million!!! out of my wallet. That's 5 hours of my game time down the drain. I'm on that 5 day trial reinvite they sent to old accounts and I just have to say I'm amazed. That has to be a bug? I petitioned hoping I can get a refund and I'll just repair with a 10,000 ISK module and not having wasted by time by being ripped off by NPCs. This hurts my morale pretty bad, to have to play 5 more hours just to pay that back. Now I have to go finish my mission but the reward is like a debt to pay off this NPC scam. 1) 1 hour of missioning is about 20-30 millions, not 1. 2) the repairs cost a bundle when you have hull damage. The rest of the damage cost very little. So next time if you have hull damage repair the ship with one or more hull repairer.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.21 09:49:00 - [51] Originally by: Kate Nexus It wasn't 20 hull, it was easily repaired armor. It wasn't worth my ISK. 500k would be many times more and I could understand it, 5.25 million in a 1.0 seucurity no way. That's just asking to rip people off without a lapdance. To say it simply: impossible. To reach 5 millions you need to repair incredible amounts of armor. You have either repaired: 1) hull (and a good quantity of it) 2) a lot of damaged modules (overheating them?) Armor cost approximately 10 isk/hp. So you had 500.000 armor damage?
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2008.12.21 09:51:00 - [52] Originally by: Venkul Mul 2) the repairs cost a bundle when you have hull damage. The rest of the damage cost very little. So next time if you have hull damage repair the ship with one or more hull repairer. It wasn't hull it was armor.
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2008.12.21 09:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: General Ric Originally by: Crackzilla It works out so 100% of struct + armor = cost of ship (I think). You could afford to buy the ship but not the repairs? This is like buying a Porsche and wondering why you're not getting the repair bill for a Ford. Using that analogy, its more like you get some dents and scratches on your porsche, and in order to fix it they charge you the cost of a new porsche. Armor is armor, the armor on a battleship shouldn't be any more expensive or cheaper than the armor on a frigate, with the exception that there is more of it. Um, no, that like if you total your porsche, they charge you the cost of a new porsche. If you only wreck 50% of the bodywork then you pay less. Can you buy a magic item for 5 bucks that magically repairs your porsche for free? This analogy is full of fail.
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2008.12.21 09:54:00 - [54] Edited by: Kate Nexus on 21/12/2008 09:53:52 Originally by: Malcanis Petition results eagerly anticipated! If you help me find my petition I'll wrap the results in a bow and present them to you asap. But I wanted to ask for a lapdance with my repairs as posters in this thread say I deserve. Right now I lost my petition and don't really know where it went.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.12.21 09:57:00 - [55] Edited by: Tippia on 21/12/2008 10:01:48 Originally by: Kate Nexus I've played a lot of MMOs since EVE and I guess I've been used to ballpark reasonable prices from NPCs. Your problem — and what is getting you flamed — is that you haven't defined "reasonable prices". You need a point of comparison to put the price into perspective. The price you pay in other MMOs is completely irrelevant because they have neither the economy nor the full-PvP nature of ≡v≡. You need to consider the cost of repairs to similar services in ≡v≡ before you call it outrageously overpriced. For instance, is the repair cost for 99% damage less than the cost of a new ship + fittings? If so, it's not an unreasonable price. Is the repair cost for any given amount of damage less than if you were to use nanite paste? If so, it's not unreasonable. You are paying for convenience, and in ≡v≡, convenience is very very pricey… it's kind of the defining characteristics of the game. If you slap reppers on your ship, or take the time to get a Logistics ship to rep you, you're paying in time and/or interaction instead, and the game rewards you handsomely for it. No sig for me, thankyouverymuch.
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2008.12.21 09:58:00 - [56] I'll have you all know I worked back my 5 million ISK and another 40 million. It was long and hard and I risked my life doing it, but I did it. If I'm to believe the people of this fine forum then I just beat one of the hardest level 4's in a frigate with no guns on a 5 day old character. This is an accomplishment, but I still want my repair refund or a lapdance. No free rides on my ISK.
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2008.12.21 10:00:00 - [57] Edited by: Kate Nexus on 21/12/2008 10:03:55 Originally by: Tippia Your problem ù and what is getting you flamed ù is that you haven't defined "reasonable prices". You need a point of comparison to put the price into perspective. The price you pay in other MMOs is completely irrelevant because they have neither the economy nor the full-PvP nature of ≡v≡. You need to consider the cost of repairs to similar services in ≡v≡ before you call it outrageously overpriced. There's no "full PVP" in a 1.0 system, and I already compared the price to a similar service: a 10,000 ISK module. What's the point of having a 5 million ISK service that does the same as a 10,000 ISK module if not to trick people into using it once and never again? Originally by: Tippia For instance, is the repair cost for 99% damage less than the cost of a new ship? If so, it's not an unreasonable price. Is the repair cost for any given amount of damage less than if you were to use nanite paste? If so, it's not unreasonable. Do you sell ships rather than tanking them? I don't, that's just a silly idea. Armor tanking you repair armor, shield tanking you repair shield. Nanite paste is for modules FYI, none of mine were overheated or damaged.
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2008.12.21 10:03:00 - [58] Anyone who petitions their own user error should be banned. --
Achmed DeadTerrorist Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.21 10:03:00 - [59] Edited by: Achmed DeadTerrorist on 21/12/2008 10:06:06 Originally by: Kate Nexus I repair and it takes 5 million!!! out of my wallet.[/quote so? you dont have to use the service. Good service Cheap won't be Fast Good service Fast won't be Cheap Fast service Cheap won't be Good in station repairshop is good and fast buying an armor rep is cheap but not fast and rember it did not come out of your wallet because ccp own your wallet so its not realy yours is it now ;)
Kessiaan Minmatar Army of One	Posted - 2008.12.21 10:04:00 - [60] Originally by: Maria Kalista Epic! OP, don't forget to watch Clear Skies, you're doing the openings scene all over. Quote: How Much!? Confirming the OP needs to watch the first 30 seconds of Clear Skies. Quote: Let's get undocked and see what bits fall off the ship ... is my favorite line though (and undocking-in-lowsec motto) ... besides, I've said all I'm going to say. You're reading my sig now! Bwa! -

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