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Kate Nexus
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Posted - 2008.12.21 10:48:00 -
[91]
 Originally by: Tippia
Deterrents and being "effectively" safe does not make it any less FFA
Yes it does.
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Kate Nexus
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Posted - 2008.12.21 10:50:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Kate Nexus
Edited by: Kate Nexus on 21/12/2008 10:45:38
What load-out can you fly in 1.0 that's going to pop me before CONCORD pops you?
Its called friends.
You and what army? You can't pop my drake in 1.0.
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2008.12.21 10:55:00 -
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/me gives up. You're just trolling. All wha wa wa over 5 mil. when you supposedly have 6.5 bil.
Chio.
9/10 for the trol.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
You put a bear in your tea???
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.12.21 10:56:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Kate Nexus
Originally by: Tippia
Deterrents and being "effectively" safe does not make it any less FFA
Yes it does.
Again, how does it keep me from attacking you, killing you, and robbing you of the smoldering remains? I can do any of those at any time, as can everyone else. Just because they choose not to doesn't mean that it's not FFA.
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You and what army? You can't pop my drake in 1.0.
It will be an exciting day for you the first time you see gank-fitted BS in action… 
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Terro Deagas
Woopatang
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Posted - 2008.12.21 11:07:00 -
[95]
Obvious troll is obvious (1 mil/hour?! Seriously? You can make more running level 2s).
That said, there are some hilarious comparisons being thrown around in this thread. *Bookmarked for easy retrieval*
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.21 12:15:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Andrue on 21/12/2008 12:18:23
Originally by: Kate Nexus
So I was doing some L4 missions getting beat up. I go to repair my ship, and think I'd save about 30 seconds by using the repair shop.
You obviously aren't ready for L4 missions then. Go back to L3 until you've trained your skills. There should be no reason for a competent mission runner to repair their ship, ever.
Originally by: Kate Nexus
I repair and it takes 5 million!!! out of my wallet. That's 5 hours of my game time down the drain.
1 mil an hour? You seriously have something wrong there. You should be able to complete most L4s in less than half an hour and be earning at least 10mil an hour.
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[Brackley, UK]
My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned. |
SPQRMocton
Minmatar
Hand Of Bethke
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Posted - 2008.12.21 12:20:00 -
[97]
Ok first thing ,"I'm used to games like WoW or every other MMO"
OK your not playing wow it's called eve online , arrrrgh why can't any of these people read ?
Does wow make you blind to written script ?
Fly reckless and take chances..............it's more fun |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2008.12.21 13:49:00 -
[98]
Op should have posted in the New Citizens forum.
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.21 14:00:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Terranid Meester
Op shouldn't have posted.
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Mickey Simon
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.12.21 14:10:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Concorduck
Originally by: Terranid Meester
Op shouldn't have posted.
This.
Obvious troll is obvious.
5M for a T1 repair bill when "IT WUZ ONLY MAH ARMHOR GUISE"? Puh-leeze.
Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . . |
Gonada
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.21 14:14:00 -
[101]
obvious troll.
but you have to sigh sadly when you realize that the 8 day wait on petitions is cause by idiots like the op.
Please, jump into traffic
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.21 14:16:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Concorduck on 21/12/2008 14:16:48
Originally by: Gonada
obvious troll.
but you have to sigh sadly when you realize that the 8 day wait on petitions is cause by idiots like the op.
i would sigh sadly if any of CCP staff responding to petition was REALLY losing time upon something like that.
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Baron Holbach
Pernicious Creed
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Posted - 2008.12.21 14:21:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Armor cost approximately 10 isk/hp. So you had 500.000 armor damage?
wanna bet?
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Antarious Kronar
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Posted - 2008.12.21 14:27:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Kate Nexus
Edited by: Kate Nexus on 21/12/2008 07:07:13
I'm used to games like WoW or every other MMO where the game gives reasonable prices for its NPC services.
That's your first mistake.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.12.21 14:41:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Terranid Meester
Op should have posted in the Newly eBayed Citizens forum.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.21 15:17:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Kate Nexus
Edited by: Kate Nexus on 21/12/2008 07:07:13
So I was doing some L4 missions getting beat up. I go to repair my ship, and think I'd save about 30 seconds by using the repair shop. I'm used to games like WoW or every other MMO where the game gives reasonable prices for its NPC services. I repair and it takes 5 million!!! out of my wallet. That's 5 hours of my game time down the drain. I'm on that 5 day trial reinvite they sent to old accounts and I just have to say I'm amazed. That has to be a bug? I petitioned hoping I can get a refund and I'll just repair with a 10,000 ISK module and not having wasted by time by being ripped off by NPCs. 
This hurts my morale pretty bad, to have to play 5 more hours just to pay that back. Now I have to go finish my mission but the reward is like a debt to pay off this NPC scam.
First rule: Get a quote first.
Second rule: Your time = saved money. Fit repair modules.
I don't even repair my drones anymore, unless its structure damage.
In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Cyrus Brown
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Posted - 2008.12.21 15:20:00 -
[107]
I have to say that I think repair bill prices are outrageously priced as well.
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.21 15:22:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Cyrus Brown
I think not.
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Kate Nexus
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Posted - 2008.12.21 15:27:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Cyrus Brown
I have to say that I think repair bill prices are outrageously priced as well.
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2008.12.21 16:10:00 -
[110]
Actually, I don't see any reason why a repair bill should be cheap.
it insta-repairs all damage you have, at a rate no armour/hull repper will ever be able to reach. So yeah.... comes with a cost.
Although, there are some possible features that could be interesting.
* add a price/time relationship.
If you want an insta-rep, you pay up whatever it costs. Costs too much? You get a 50 percent reduction but it will take 5 minutes to repair the ship (or 1 min, or 10 min, or whatever). You get a 90 percent reduction if you can let the ship in the repairshop for a day.
Allows you to save on repaircosts, no issues with refitting but you have the drawback of not being able to fly for a certain amount of time.
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.21 16:11:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Kate Nexus
Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Kate Nexus
Edited by: Kate Nexus on 21/12/2008 10:45:38
What load-out can you fly in 1.0 that's going to pop me before CONCORD pops you?
Its called friends.
You and what army? You can't pop my drake in 1.0.
You can pop FREIGHTERS in 1.0, what makes you think your drake is pop-proof?
It isn't profitable, but it's doable.
when the isk income will be high enough, not even BATTLESHIPS will be safe in 1.0... |
Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.21 16:57:00 -
[112]
With regards to the OP, you can fit armor and hull reppers to do the same job. If you want it done instantly, you have to pay. Remember that time is also part of the game system (time is isk), if you want to only spend 10K isk, you'd better be prepared to wait.
IMO This was due to station huggers docking, repairing and undocking constantly. CCP had to make it too costly to use these tactics. If you're doing missions, you don't have the problem of the NPC's camping the station waiting for you to come out so it's easy to sit outside and rep your armor and hull until it's 100% again. Then dock, refit and back for another bash.
The only time you can't do it is when you're too badly damaged and it won't let you undock I really wish CCP would allow undocking regardless of how much damage you've sustained.
As for missions, if it's taking 5 hours to earn 5 million isk, I'd have to agree with others here, there's something badly wrong with your tactics. On many of the big lvl4 missions like Worlds Collide, you can get that in bounties alone from one room. Even if you only get small missions, you should be earning 3 to 4 per hour minimum. The only time you lose out is missions against factions like Gallente or Rogue Drones where you don't get bounties. The tags from faction missions and minerals from drones make up the difference when you sell them though. Before you say it, I only use T2 fit as well, I don't fit any faction mods and I can tank >95% of lvl4's quite happily. Only very rarely do I have to bug out and repair if I misjudged the type of resists I needed for it.
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There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.12.21 19:16:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Cyrus Brown
I have to say that I think repair bill prices are outrageously priced as well.
Your opinion is valuable and interesting.
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Apoctasy
Fluffy Muffins
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Posted - 2008.12.21 21:25:00 -
[114]
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1 mil per hour lvl 4s
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OP fails hard.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.12.21 22:37:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Kate Nexus
I'm used to games like WoW or every other MMO...
Here's your main problem. I'd advise to forget everything you know from other MMOs when playing Eve, because Eve is very different (and that's why I play it, because traditional MMOs bore me silly).
It seemed pricey to me when I first started also, but if you consider the armor and structure as part of the ship's cost, and compare it to the total cost of the ship, it makes sense. For example, if you have have 90% of your structure destroyed, in order to repair that 90% structure, you'd have to rebuild large parts of the shop. That would cost a large percentage of the ship's cost.
I have no real sympathy for you, considering that you can fit a pretty cheap module and repair all the damage yourself in space. You're the one that clicked "repair" and agreed to the price.
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Ivan Ward
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Posted - 2008.12.21 22:39:00 -
[116]
Originally by: General Ric
Originally by: Crackzilla
It works out so 100% of struct + armor = cost of ship (I think). You could afford to buy the ship but not the repairs? This is like buying a Porsche and wondering why you're not getting the repair bill for a Ford.
Using that analogy, its more like you get some dents and scratches on your porsche, and in order to fix it they charge you the cost of a new porsche. Armor is armor, the armor on a battleship shouldn't be any more expensive or cheaper than the armor on a frigate, with the exception that there is more of it.
Except that a frigate could dock in the crater of 10% armor damage.
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Darth Skorpius
Crystalline INC
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Posted - 2008.12.21 22:44:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Kate Nexus
Obviously I assumed that no game dev would up a repair price in a safe zone to insane amounts that would deter anyone from ever using it. I thought wrong, and I issued my complaint. Any more questions?
so, the last time you repaired a ship it didnt cost you 5mil? or was this the first time you ever actually repaired a ship using the station services?
if you have repaired ships before using the station repair services, was it that same ship type? or was it a smaller ship?
and if this was the first time you ever used the station repair service, then how the hell can you say that the devs increased the price of repairs if you havent used the service before?
GTFO
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Roymundo
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Posted - 2008.12.22 02:18:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Kate Nexus
Edited by: Kate Nexus on 21/12/2008 07:31:53
Originally by: Gojyu
On average, running level 4 combat missions with decent skills should be netting you between 10-20mil isk an hour, depending on said skills and ship fitting. Thus, a 5mil repair should be about 15-30 minutes of your mission running time. Given that you should hardly, if ever, go into damage you're not tanked for, this is not that bad a deal. Your problem is not that you are being charged 5mil isk for a repair job, your problem is that you're somehow only earning 1mil isk an hour running your missions. To continue the wow theme, imagine trying to purchase a mount through farming level 10 mobs outside your capital city. It would take a while wouldn't it? and anyone who did it would think the price of said mount to be astronomical, given it'd take years to accumulate the gold from said mobs
I didn't ask about optimal ISK/hr, I play to enjoy myself not slave mine ISK. No I don't have a faction fitted perma-tank, but I do fine anyways. I didn't mention my ship because it's irrelevant, but you criticize it without having seen it. Maybe it's you fitting no guns and tech 1, because you criticise my tech 2? Have you ever heard of a challenge? No? Ok then, maybe WoW is more suited to you. I like a challenge, but that isn't what this post is about. It's about NPC prices which don't make sense; you can buy a module for a fraction that does the same thing.
just work for an extra 2 hours in real life, buy a gtc sell it for 600 mill iskies and have happy go lucky times for ages???
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Dasfry
Caldari
Demio's Corporation
101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.22 03:54:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Kate Nexus
This hurts my morale pretty bad, to have to play 5 more hours just to pay that back. Now I have to go finish my mission but the reward is like a debt to pay off this NPC scam.
Why repair it?
Just drive it like you stole and run it into the ground.
If it'll undock keep flying it!
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Dasfry, Director
Demio's Corporation
Military Tactics |
Jhagiti Tyran
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.12.22 04:00:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Crackzilla
Also consider the pvp aspect. If someone is blockaded and trapped in station, undocking may mean they take damage which has to be repped for a significant cost when redocked. Otherwise someone could setup for maximum buffer, undock, shoot, redock, purchase reps for nothing, and redock. So the repair price needs to be significant.
This, once I had no option but pay 30 mill to repair the armour on a plated and trimarked mega because I needed to get back into the fight and had no ships near by.
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