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Lootangel
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Posted - 2008.12.21 11:06:00 -
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On my very first lvl 4 mission following happened:
Another player started salvaging my wrecks, claiming this is legal.
How can it be? Someone is stealing by salvaging, your ships and You cant do NOTHING than destroy your own wrecks.
Can someone from CCP confirm if this is correct so I can decide to leave game or not?
thanks
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Eman Rente
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Posted - 2008.12.21 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Eman Rente on 21/12/2008 11:18:46
Yes its legal...
Check this out Linkage they will even go this far lol
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zombeee
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Posted - 2008.12.21 11:18:00 -
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Please read the billion threads about ninja salvagers in this forum.
/thread.
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Savage Creampuff
Caldari
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.21 13:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Lootangel
Can someone from CCP confirm if this is correct so I can decide to leave game or not?
thanks
Originally by: GM Faolchu
It is perfectly within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission area and steal the loot/salvage from the mission NPCs. If they happen to also steal the mission specific loot again this is within the rules of the game, it is a harsh circumstance but it is allowed. Eve is a harsh place and there are often things that happen to you that are not perceived as being entirely 'fair'.
Stuff, gimme
kthxbye
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I've sent in plenty of petitions but it seems that CCP just doesn't care about me. Without knowledge of market dynamics theres no way I can compete with these griefers
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KillAsAur
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Posted - 2008.12.21 14:22:00 -
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i can haz stuff?? ill even pick it up if you'll tell me where you are and when you're quitting?
thnx
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Skugge
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Posted - 2008.12.21 14:34:00 -
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I must admit I never have understood how stealing the salvage is different from stealing other loot. There should be a blink red timer on that, just as regular stealing. But at the same time I also think that other peoples wrecks should be open for tractor beaming.
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Laura Hollard
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:24:00 -
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Salvaging is not stealing, you have mislabeled your post. You are a liar
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Lord Zarcam
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:42:00 -
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How do you steal something that doesn't belong to anyone?
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JafoPBCFR
One Stop Mining Shop
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Zarcam
How do you steal something that doesn't belong to anyone?
EXACTLY! OP Learn what salvage is. Wikipedia google Any search engine.
EVE is a diverse game with alot of Pit falls. you want easy Carebear game Try hello kitty. This isnt the game for you.
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Cartheron Crust
14th Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.21 19:43:00 -
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Must be a troll, look at the name. 
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Lootangel
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Posted - 2008.12.21 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Lootangel on 21/12/2008 20:08:16
Thank you all for your kind answers.
Ive notified You agree in salvaging Your wrecks.
Seeing You THERE.
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.21 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: Mika Meroko on 21/12/2008 21:27:53
CCP made it clear salvage does not belong to anybody. and anybody can salvage.
so, working as intended.
edit:
PS: feel free to salvage, dont let others tell you is blah blah blah....the worst they can do is warp out and let aggro on you... you wont get banned/whatever for salvaging other people's wrecks.
and besides, most people who only got 1 account get more isk per hour BLITZING though missions.... so, yeah, free stuff XD
is a nice profession for the newer players. you know XD
Originally by: CCP Atropos
I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Karentaki
Gallente
Fighting While Intoxicated
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.22 01:00:00 -
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Your mummy was right when she said you were special.
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EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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Gwendion
Gallente
Bladed Moon
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Posted - 2008.12.22 01:24:00 -
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Instead of the normal "Quit whining" replies, there are ways to get back at them.
1. Warp out.
Yes, you heard me, warp out and let their tiny ship (normally a small one) get aggro and go pop. Chances are that one wont come back.
2. Leave the big mission hubs.
No targets? No Salvages. Oh no, you lose a tiny fraction of LPs per mission. Well, I have news for you. You wont be playing enough missions to have that make one iota of difference. =) Plus, with the reduced lag, you can do, gasp, more missions and quicker?!? =)
Dont be a lemming. Branch out.
And the obligatory, Can I have your stuff?
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Gwendion
Gallente
Bladed Moon
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Posted - 2008.12.22 01:28:00 -
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Edited by: Gwendion on 22/12/2008 01:28:26
edit: Double post.
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Kaltar Bok
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Posted - 2008.12.22 01:31:00 -
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Yeah it`s annoying, but hey Eve is an annoying game, lol. You have lots of options though:
1. Blow up the wrecks just as the looter gets to them, they find this annoying and it`s fun!
2. Warp out and return in a fast dessie and compete with them for the salvage. They find this annoying too, and I find they soon leave.
3. Mission in less popular spots. Scanning people is a numbers game and the mission hubs are where you`ll find most if not all scanners.
4. Buy a marauder.
Much more annoying is the people who deliberately get agro from you then come back and gank you. Set your drones to passive and don`t be tempted. A probe is unlikely to be seriously taking on your BS, so he will have backup - or a ship fitted to counter yours.
BTW shouldn`t this be in the missions forum?
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Heloise ChateauBriande
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Posted - 2009.01.12 23:06:00 -
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Just blow up your own wrecks. They will leave you alone. If they hassle you more just go to another agent. It is very annoying but no... there is not much else you can do. Problem is if you attack the guy his 3 PVP fitted buddies warp in and crush you in your NPC fit.
- Helo
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Daenes Nague
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Posted - 2009.01.13 00:57:00 -
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Any decent salvager wont be popped if you leave the mission.
My ship almost instawarps due to the nano fit.
Getting a destroyer doesnt help you, my salvaging frig will beat you to any BS wreck :p
Blowing up wrecks: A decent salvager should stay until you blew up everything.
You loose much more isk than the salvager doing that.
Just accept the wrecks as lost and go on missioning, its better money anyways. |
Noskill McCheese
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Posted - 2009.01.13 05:23:00 -
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Edited by: Noskill McCheese on 13/01/2009 05:30:00
Linkage |
Miss Uylear
Caldari
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2009.01.13 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Noskill McCheese
Edited by: Noskill McCheese on 13/01/2009 05:30:00
Linkage
Sir! hat was a most excellent tool for insulting! Please oh please show me. If you do, and it works, I'll reward afterwords in ISK or...a ship...Your call. Payment after tuition only.
Promise as well, got honour see.
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Hellinthose
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Posted - 2009.01.13 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Hellinthose on 13/01/2009 11:34:16
Wrecks... Definision bye EVE
"Please note that anyone can salvage usable materials from wrecks, regardless of who destroyed the ship which caused the wreck to be created" |
Dedalus77
Junkyard Dogs
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Posted - 2009.01.13 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Daenes Nague
Any decent salvager wont be popped if you leave the mission.
My ship almost instawarps due to the nano fit.
Getting a destroyer doesnt help you, my salvaging frig will beat you to any BS wreck :p
Blowing up wrecks: A decent salvager should stay until you blew up everything.
You loose much more isk than the salvager doing that.
Just accept the wrecks as lost and go on missioning, its better money anyways.
QFT |
JeanPaul Sartre
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Uylear
Sir! hat was a most excellent tool for insulting! Please oh please show me. If you do, and it works, I'll reward afterwords in ISK or...a ship...Your call. Payment after tuition only.
Promise as well, got honour see.
http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=insult%20goes%20here
Confirming this character gets the isk or free ship.
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If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
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Karentaki
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.13 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lootangel
WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Oh hi, you must be too blind to have seen the other 1000 threads about this exact same toic that have been posted hundreds of times and get exactly the same response of: IT IS NOT STEALING!
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EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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shinaide
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:59:00 -
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If I scan down your mission and there are asteroids in it I mine away , is that stealing too? |
Dotard
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:17:00 -
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Shhhh.... Shhh....
Just remain quiet. I'll all be over in just a few minutes. |
Anddeh McNab
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.14 07:58:00 -
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Unfortunately OP there isn't a whole lot you can do about it, especially in High-Sec, except what the other guy said about moving system or buying a maraudar. It's understandable why people do this sort of thing, minimal effort and even less risk. It's pretty much like stealing from a cold dead baby wrapped in duct tape. To be perfectly honest it's pretty boring and dead end, after you've "earned" a billion or so and have the most pimped salvage boat since Jesus, what then?
What you can do, is pretend the guy get's really really excited about salvaging your stuff. Just picture a big fat guy going "F*ck yeah! Metal scraps b*tches!" while attempting to dance/stand up. |
Dedalus77
Junkyard Dogs
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Posted - 2009.01.14 10:20:00 -
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You know it's funny, one solution I have not seen mentioned is to simply ask the salvager to stop. I don't mean start talking smack in local and whining, I mean saying something like, "hey, I was planning to salvage this mission myself, would you mind leaving the wrecks?". If you ask me nicely I'll probably leave your precious wrecks alone and head to one of the other missions I've bookmarked for salvage. I find that 90% of mission runners don't ever salvage their missions and have no problem if I come along behind them and clean up the mess, but there is no way for me to know that you wanted that salvage unless you say so, and again, I mean by asking me nicely to stop, not by getting your panties in a bunch.
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Daveion Steel
Deep Core High-Tech
Sleepless Knights Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.14 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: JafoPBCFR
Originally by: Lord Zarcam
How do you steal something that doesn't belong to anyone?
EXACTLY! OP Learn what salvage is. Wikipedia google Any search engine.
EVE is a diverse game with alot of Pit falls. you want easy Carebear game Try hello kitty. This isnt the game for you.
sal+vage (slvj)
n.
1.
a. The rescue of a ship, its crew, or its cargo from fire or shipwreck.
b. The ship, crew, or cargo so rescued.
c. Compensation given to those who voluntarily aid in such a rescue.
2.
a. The act of saving imperiled property from loss.
b. The property so saved.
3. Something saved from destruction or waste and put to further use.
tr.v. sal+vaged, sal+vag+ing, sal+vag+es
1. To save from loss or destruction.
2. To save (discarded or damaged material) for further use.
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So surely Loot is the same as salvage by this definition. Loot should not be flagged if the Slavage is not.
Or both should be flagged.
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Dotard
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.01.14 12:29:00 -
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Just for the record:
When I invade your mission I'm there for the salvage and loot. Those who's missions I've busted in know this, I will loot the wrecks and go flashy red.
With so many whines on the forums from victims about how they can do absolutly nothing about it, I make it a point to give everyone of my victims that opportunity to do something about it.
Will I then warp off to get my gank-ship? Maybe. Everyone of my customers is unique so my response to acts of aggression are decided on a personal basis.
However all my customers are treated with equal respect and opportunity with no regard to race, creed or religion. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
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