EVE Search - Stealing (salvaging another players wrecks).

Check My IP Information

All Channels

Warfare & Tactics

Stealing (salvaging another players wrecks).

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 :: [one page]

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Lootangel	Posted - 2008.12.21 11:06:00 - [1] On my very first lvl 4 mission following happened: Another player started salvaging my wrecks, claiming this is legal. How can it be? Someone is stealing by salvaging, your ships and You cant do NOTHING than destroy your own wrecks. Can someone from CCP confirm if this is correct so I can decide to leave game or not? thanks
Eman Rente	Posted - 2008.12.21 11:17:00 - [2] Edited by: Eman Rente on 21/12/2008 11:18:46 Yes its legal... Check this out Linkage they will even go this far lol
zombeee	Posted - 2008.12.21 11:18:00 - [3] Please read the billion threads about ninja salvagers in this forum. /thread.
Savage Creampuff Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.21 13:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Lootangel Can someone from CCP confirm if this is correct so I can decide to leave game or not? thanks Originally by: GM Faolchu It is perfectly within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission area and steal the loot/salvage from the mission NPCs. If they happen to also steal the mission specific loot again this is within the rules of the game, it is a harsh circumstance but it is allowed. Eve is a harsh place and there are often things that happen to you that are not perceived as being entirely 'fair'. Stuff, gimme kthxbye Quote: I've sent in plenty of petitions but it seems that CCP just doesn't care about me. Without knowledge of market dynamics theres no way I can compete with these griefers
KillAsAur	Posted - 2008.12.21 14:22:00 - [5] i can haz stuff?? ill even pick it up if you'll tell me where you are and when you're quitting? thnx
Skugge	Posted - 2008.12.21 14:34:00 - [6] I must admit I never have understood how stealing the salvage is different from stealing other loot. There should be a blink red timer on that, just as regular stealing. But at the same time I also think that other peoples wrecks should be open for tractor beaming.
Laura Hollard	Posted - 2008.12.21 18:24:00 - [7] Salvaging is not stealing, you have mislabeled your post. You are a liar
Lord Zarcam Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.12.21 18:42:00 - [8] How do you steal something that doesn't belong to anyone?
JafoPBCFR One Stop Mining Shop	Posted - 2008.12.21 18:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Lord Zarcam How do you steal something that doesn't belong to anyone? EXACTLY! OP Learn what salvage is. Wikipedia google Any search engine. EVE is a diverse game with alot of Pit falls. you want easy Carebear game Try hello kitty. This isnt the game for you.
Cartheron Crust 14th Legion	Posted - 2008.12.21 19:43:00 - [10] Must be a troll, look at the name.

Lootangel	Posted - 2008.12.21 20:08:00 - [11] Edited by: Lootangel on 21/12/2008 20:08:16 Thank you all for your kind answers. Ive notified You agree in salvaging Your wrecks. Seeing You THERE.
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.12.21 21:24:00 - [12] Edited by: Mika Meroko on 21/12/2008 21:27:53 CCP made it clear salvage does not belong to anybody. and anybody can salvage. so, working as intended. edit: PS: feel free to salvage, dont let others tell you is blah blah blah....the worst they can do is warp out and let aggro on you... you wont get banned/whatever for salvaging other people's wrecks. and besides, most people who only got 1 account get more isk per hour BLITZING though missions.... so, yeah, free stuff XD is a nice profession for the newer players. you know XD Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Karentaki Gallente Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.12.22 01:00:00 - [13] Your mummy was right when she said you were special. Quote: EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
Gwendion Gallente Bladed Moon	Posted - 2008.12.22 01:24:00 - [14] Instead of the normal "Quit whining" replies, there are ways to get back at them. 1. Warp out. Yes, you heard me, warp out and let their tiny ship (normally a small one) get aggro and go pop. Chances are that one wont come back. 2. Leave the big mission hubs. No targets? No Salvages. Oh no, you lose a tiny fraction of LPs per mission. Well, I have news for you. You wont be playing enough missions to have that make one iota of difference. =) Plus, with the reduced lag, you can do, gasp, more missions and quicker?!? =) Dont be a lemming. Branch out. And the obligatory, Can I have your stuff? -----------------------------------
Gwendion Gallente Bladed Moon	Posted - 2008.12.22 01:28:00 - [15] Edited by: Gwendion on 22/12/2008 01:28:26 edit: Double post. -----------------------------------
Kaltar Bok	Posted - 2008.12.22 01:31:00 - [16] Yeah it`s annoying, but hey Eve is an annoying game, lol. You have lots of options though: 1. Blow up the wrecks just as the looter gets to them, they find this annoying and it`s fun! 2. Warp out and return in a fast dessie and compete with them for the salvage. They find this annoying too, and I find they soon leave. 3. Mission in less popular spots. Scanning people is a numbers game and the mission hubs are where you`ll find most if not all scanners. 4. Buy a marauder. Much more annoying is the people who deliberately get agro from you then come back and gank you. Set your drones to passive and don`t be tempted. A probe is unlikely to be seriously taking on your BS, so he will have backup - or a ship fitted to counter yours. BTW shouldn`t this be in the missions forum?
Heloise ChateauBriande	Posted - 2009.01.12 23:06:00 - [17] Just blow up your own wrecks. They will leave you alone. If they hassle you more just go to another agent. It is very annoying but no... there is not much else you can do. Problem is if you attack the guy his 3 PVP fitted buddies warp in and crush you in your NPC fit. - Helo
Daenes Nague	Posted - 2009.01.13 00:57:00 - [18] Any decent salvager wont be popped if you leave the mission. My ship almost instawarps due to the nano fit. Getting a destroyer doesnt help you, my salvaging frig will beat you to any BS wreck :p Blowing up wrecks: A decent salvager should stay until you blew up everything. You loose much more isk than the salvager doing that. Just accept the wrecks as lost and go on missioning, its better money anyways.
Noskill McCheese	Posted - 2009.01.13 05:23:00 - [19] Edited by: Noskill McCheese on 13/01/2009 05:30:00 Linkage
Miss Uylear Caldari The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre	Posted - 2009.01.13 11:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Noskill McCheese Edited by: Noskill McCheese on 13/01/2009 05:30:00 Linkage Sir! hat was a most excellent tool for insulting! Please oh please show me. If you do, and it works, I'll reward afterwords in ISK or...a ship...Your call. Payment after tuition only. Promise as well, got honour see.

Hellinthose	Posted - 2009.01.13 11:33:00 - [21] Edited by: Hellinthose on 13/01/2009 11:34:16 Wrecks... Definision bye EVE "Please note that anyone can salvage usable materials from wrecks, regardless of who destroyed the ship which caused the wreck to be created"
Dedalus77 Junkyard Dogs	Posted - 2009.01.13 14:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Daenes Nague Any decent salvager wont be popped if you leave the mission. My ship almost instawarps due to the nano fit. Getting a destroyer doesnt help you, my salvaging frig will beat you to any BS wreck :p Blowing up wrecks: A decent salvager should stay until you blew up everything. You loose much more isk than the salvager doing that. Just accept the wrecks as lost and go on missioning, its better money anyways. QFT
JeanPaul Sartre THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.01.13 17:25:00 - [23] Originally by: Miss Uylear Sir! hat was a most excellent tool for insulting! Please oh please show me. If you do, and it works, I'll reward afterwords in ISK or...a ship...Your call. Payment after tuition only. Promise as well, got honour see. http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=insult%20goes%20here Confirming this character gets the isk or free ship. -- Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
Karentaki Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Lootangel WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Oh hi, you must be too blind to have seen the other 1000 threads about this exact same toic that have been posted hundreds of times and get exactly the same response of: IT IS NOT STEALING! Quote: EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
shinaide	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:59:00 - [25] If I scan down your mission and there are asteroids in it I mine away , is that stealing too?
Dotard Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.14 03:17:00 - [26] Shhhh.... Shhh.... Just remain quiet. I'll all be over in just a few minutes.
Anddeh McNab Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.01.14 07:58:00 - [27] Unfortunately OP there isn't a whole lot you can do about it, especially in High-Sec, except what the other guy said about moving system or buying a maraudar. It's understandable why people do this sort of thing, minimal effort and even less risk. It's pretty much like stealing from a cold dead baby wrapped in duct tape. To be perfectly honest it's pretty boring and dead end, after you've "earned" a billion or so and have the most pimped salvage boat since Jesus, what then? What you can do, is pretend the guy get's really really excited about salvaging your stuff. Just picture a big fat guy going "Fck yeah! Metal scraps btches!" while attempting to dance/stand up.
Dedalus77 Junkyard Dogs	Posted - 2009.01.14 10:20:00 - [28] You know it's funny, one solution I have not seen mentioned is to simply ask the salvager to stop. I don't mean start talking smack in local and whining, I mean saying something like, "hey, I was planning to salvage this mission myself, would you mind leaving the wrecks?". If you ask me nicely I'll probably leave your precious wrecks alone and head to one of the other missions I've bookmarked for salvage. I find that 90% of mission runners don't ever salvage their missions and have no problem if I come along behind them and clean up the mess, but there is no way for me to know that you wanted that salvage unless you say so, and again, I mean by asking me nicely to stop, not by getting your panties in a bunch.
Daveion Steel Deep Core High-Tech Sleepless Knights Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.14 11:48:00 - [29] Originally by: JafoPBCFR Originally by: Lord Zarcam How do you steal something that doesn't belong to anyone? EXACTLY! OP Learn what salvage is. Wikipedia google Any search engine. EVE is a diverse game with alot of Pit falls. you want easy Carebear game Try hello kitty. This isnt the game for you. sal+vage (slvj) n. 1. a. The rescue of a ship, its crew, or its cargo from fire or shipwreck. b. The ship, crew, or cargo so rescued. c. Compensation given to those who voluntarily aid in such a rescue. 2. a. The act of saving imperiled property from loss. b. The property so saved. 3. Something saved from destruction or waste and put to further use. tr.v. sal+vaged, sal+vag+ing, sal+vag+es 1. To save from loss or destruction. 2. To save (discarded or damaged material) for further use. ................ So surely Loot is the same as salvage by this definition. Loot should not be flagged if the Slavage is not. Or both should be flagged. D...
Dotard Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.14 12:29:00 - [30] Just for the record: When I invade your mission I'm there for the salvage and loot. Those who's missions I've busted in know this, I will loot the wrecks and go flashy red. With so many whines on the forums from victims about how they can do absolutly nothing about it, I make it a point to give everyone of my victims that opportunity to do something about it. Will I then warp off to get my gank-ship? Maybe. Everyone of my customers is unique so my response to acts of aggression are decided on a personal basis. However all my customers are treated with equal respect and opportunity with no regard to race, creed or religion.Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Turelus Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.01.14 13:06:00 - [31] I'm only a few months in to the game and while I have not yet had someone bust in on my mission I have had people salvage my wrecks from kills in roid feilds and well when they didn't flash red I realised "wrecks are free game" so I now myself salvage others wrecks if they leave them behind, just the other day someone left a wreck from a pvp kill laying around so I did what any sane person would do and salvaged it. If the same person is really annoying you with salvaging you could wardec their corp (assuming its not a npc corp) and then go and hunt them down to show them what happens? but at the end of the day I'm with the people who do the salvaging if CCP have not made it a criminal act then it's not deal with it like every other thing we dislike about the game, it will never be perfect for everyone.
Rennion	Posted - 2009.01.14 13:32:00 - [32] TBH salvaging is a profession, allbeit a mini profession. Just like in other MMO's profession nodes are free game. Even in cuddly world of warcraft you can skin other peoples kills. The way to deal with it is to salvage them before they do if you want it that badly, bring a friend or fly with a salvager fitted. Once you reach a certain SP level you make more isk speed running missions anyway...
Diedra Kellin Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.14 13:41:00 - [33] Edited by: Diedra Kellin on 14/01/2009 13:44:58 Welcome to Eve. There have been dozens of threads on this and CCP has come back with its official reply which is "working as intended." The loot is yours, the salvage you leave behind is to support another career choice, as many characters do leave the salvage behind as noted above. If you want the salvage then fit for it or have a proper salvage vessel and mission-run in non-ninja stalked/less-crowded hubs. The Univese is big and there are plenty of agents.
Tactikill	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:47:00 - [34] Some people have replied "buy a Marauder". What does buying a Marauder have to do with preventing salvaging? Maybe you're thinking that hopefully he'll go red and a Marauder can kill anything? Hope not, most mission runners would just lose that $1B+ ISK ship.
Arcane Azmadi Caldari First Flying Wing Inc Primary.	Posted - 2009.01.15 00:39:00 - [35] Originally by: Tactikill Some people have replied "buy a Marauder". What does buying a Marauder have to do with preventing salvaging? Maybe you're thinking that hopefully he'll go red and a Marauder can kill anything? Hope not, most mission runners would just lose that $1B+ ISK ship. Uh, Marauders are optimized for salvaging on the field, since they have 8 high slots but only 4 turret/launcher hardpoints, but these are double strength to give them the equivalent firepower of a normal battleship while still having room for tractor beams/salvagers. They also have tractor beam bonuses. I think we all understand the difference between salvaging and looting now. While it initially seems inconsistant that ninja looting is an offence (or at least gets you an aggression counter) and ninja salvaging isn't, it makes sense when you realize that everyone can loot while not everyone can salvage. So if a player doesn't have a fitted salvager and is just going to let the wrecks go to waste, why should an opportunistic salvager be punished just for helping keep space a cleaner place? It's not like they could possibly be taking anything essential, the only time you HAVE to salvage a ship is during the salvager tutorial mission and who would ninja that? On the other hand, ninja looters who steal from your wrecks are commiting an offence against you. That's why you get the aggression counter- you're SUPPOSED to stop them yourself. This is a bit more of a grey area, ESPECIALLY if they steal mission-critical loot. The aggression counter idea is a lousy penalty because a lot of these players are actually COUNTING on you trying to stop them (as you technically should) so they can blow you up in hisec and get away with it. These players are called "griefers". A simple fix would be for mission critical loot (and ONLY mission critical loot) be untakeable by anyone except the dude on the mission, but CCP wouldn't consider doing that because it's an unacceptable break from "realism".
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2009.01.15 01:01:00 - [36] Originally by: Arcane Azmadi These players are called "griefers". They are called a lot of things. What you call them says a lot about you. .............
Arcane Azmadi Caldari First Flying Wing Inc Primary.	Posted - 2009.01.15 01:02:00 - [37] Edited by: Arcane Azmadi on 15/01/2009 01:03:18 Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Originally by: Arcane Azmadi These players are called "griefers". They are called a lot of things. What you call them says a lot about you. Sorry, I should have been more specific. I meant people who deliberately steal mission-critical loot, which they have no use for, just to prevent the person doing the mission from completing it, forcing them to fail and take a standings hit. And then kill you if you try to stop them. Just because they can.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2009.01.15 01:03:00 - [38] Originally by: Arcane Azmadi Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Originally by: Arcane Azmadi These players are called "griefers". They are called a lot of things. What you call them says a lot about you. Sorry, I should have been more specific. I meant people who deliberately steal mission-critical loot, which they have no use for, just to prevent the person doing the mission from completing it, forcing them to fail and take a standings hit. Just because they can. Usually when we do this, it's because we want one of two things: (a) tears (b) ISK It is not done just because we can. Except if we don't like you. .............
Dotard Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.15 02:27:00 - [39] I dont steal mission critical loot 'just because I can'. I steal it then offer to sell it back to the mission runner. Or if you insult my Mama. Then it's just because I can.Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.16 02:18:00 - [40] Carebear Tears Fuel My ShipÖ. My name is Tchell Dahhn, and I approve of this message. We're Recruiting!

Vampasha	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:56:00 - [41] Nasty Originally by: KillAsAur i can haz stuff?? ill even pick it up if you'll tell me where you are and when you're quitting? thnx
Vampasha	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:09:00 - [42] Ninjas? What are they? Originally by: Dotard Just for the record: When I invade your mission I'm there for the salvage and loot. Those who's missions I've busted in know this, I will loot the wrecks and go flashy red. With so many whines on the forums from victims about how they can do absolutly nothing about it, I make it a point to give everyone of my victims that opportunity to do something about it. Will I then warp off to get my gank-ship? Maybe. Everyone of my customers is unique so my response to acts of aggression are decided on a personal basis. However all my customers are treated with equal respect and opportunity with no regard to race, creed or religion.Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Tactikill	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:31:00 - [43] Here's my take on this (thanks for explaining the Marauder deal). I don't salvage wrecks, maybe I will in the future but not right now. I hate missions and only do them for the standings and jump clones. So, I don't care if someone salvages the wrecks but they should ask first and get my consent. If they don't they should go red. They didn't kill the wrecks, they didn't buy and fit the ship to kill the wrecks, they didn't expend any ammo or effort to kill the wrecks. They should go red. Chat: SalvageNinjaGod is requesting salvage rights for this room. Grant Y/N? Y = Salvage rights granted There, done. Otherwise, more opportunities for PvP
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:44:00 - [44] Originally by: Tactikill So, I don't care if someone salvages the wrecks but they should ask first and get my consent. No, thanks. I'm not much for conversation. Originally by: Tactikill If they don't they should go red. They didn't kill the wrecks, they didn't buy and fit the ship to kill the wrecks, they didn't expend any ammo or effort to kill the wrecks. They should go red. I spent ISK to buy and fit both a scanship and a salvage ship, and I've gone through the effort of finding them, so no. This is wrong too. Originally by: Tactikill Chat: SalvageNinjaGod is requesting salvage rights for this room. Grant Y/N? N = Salvage rights denied Chat: Tactikill - what are you doing? I said no! Chat: Tchell Dahhn - Cry more, or salvage faster. Combat Log: Concord strikes Tactikill's Raven Navy Issue, wrecking for Carebear Tears damage. Chat: Tactikill - what? I got Concorded? Chat: Tchell Dahhn - LOL. Mind if I finish up here? KTHXBYE. There, done. That works for me. We're Recruiting!
Tactikill	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:53:00 - [45] Lol, everyone in EVE spends ISK on ships. Doesn't mean their expenditures gives them the right to take my money via ship salvage. If you're so proud of your ships, why don't you get an agent and run your own missions? I don't know, maybe it's fun for you and you get a kick out of it. That's fine, there's many ways to play EVE and I'm not telling you how to play the game. I'm just stating that salvaging someone else's mission is in my opinion, theft.
Dotard Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.17 14:27:00 - [46] Seems the Mission Runner has 5 choices when I enter their mission and begin looting the wrecks: 1) STFU. Close your eyes and think of a happy place. 2) Fight for what you believe is yours. Shoot me, divise a trap, whatever. 3) Shoot your wrecks. 4) Whine on the EvE-O forums. 5) WarDec. If the Ninja is only salvaging and not looting then you have 4 options. Just delete number 2. I've found most victims prefer number 4. ---------------
JafoPBCFR One Stop Mining Shop	Posted - 2009.01.17 14:52:00 - [47] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Originally by: Tactikill So, I don't care if someone salvages the wrecks but they should ask first and get my consent. No, thanks. I'm not much for conversation. Originally by: Tactikill If they don't they should go red. They didn't kill the wrecks, they didn't buy and fit the ship to kill the wrecks, they didn't expend any ammo or effort to kill the wrecks. They should go red. I spent ISK to buy and fit both a scanship and a salvage ship, and I've gone through the effort of finding them, so no. This is wrong too. Originally by: Tactikill Chat: SalvageNinjaGod is requesting salvage rights for this room. Grant Y/N? N = Salvage rights denied Chat: Tactikill - what are you doing? I said no! Chat: Tchell Dahhn - Cry more, or salvage faster. Combat Log: Concord strikes Tactikill's Raven Navy Issue, wrecking for Carebear Tears damage. Chat: Tactikill - what? I got Concorded? Chat: Tchell Dahhn - LOL. Mind if I finish up here? KTHXBYE. There, done. That works for me. ROFL Point Set Match!
Dr NOe	Posted - 2009.01.17 14:56:00 - [48] Originally by: Tactikill Lol, everyone in EVE spends ISK on ships. Doesn't mean their expenditures gives them the right to take my money via ship salvage. If you're so proud of your ships, why don't you get an agent and run your own missions? I don't know, maybe it's fun for you and you get a kick out of it. That's fine, there's many ways to play EVE and I'm not telling you how to play the game. I'm just stating that salvaging someone else's mission is in my opinion, theft. You Opinion and What is set by ingame Mechanics are two totaly different things. Salvage is exactly that. Salvage. First Come First serve. You dont have anymore rite then the ninja. If you Really want to get into it. The wreak Belongs to the pilot who owned the ship. so if you salvage it your stealing aswell. so does that make you a thief aswell?
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.17 19:11:00 - [49] Originally by: Tactikill Doesn't mean their expenditures gives them the right to take my money via ship salvage. It absolutely does. Have you not read the Dev's take on the matter? Originally by: Tactikill If you're so proud of your ships, why don't you get an agent and run your own missions? I don't play EvE Offline. Run Missions? Are you serious? I'm Tchell Dahhn, for crying out loud. And for the record, I salvage in a fully rigged Dramiel, which yes, I'm very proud of. Originally by: Tactikill I don't know, maybe it's fun for you and you get a kick out of it. That's fine, there's many ways to play EVE and I'm not telling you how to play the game. I'm just stating that salvaging someone else's mission is in my opinion, theft. I'm just stating that your opinion, as it is in everybody's opinion, wrong.
Riedle	Posted - 2009.01.19 15:26:00 - [50] Originally by: Lootangel On my very first lvl 4 mission following happened: Another player started salvaging my wrecks, claiming this is legal. How can it be? Someone is stealing by salvaging, your ships and You cant do NOTHING than destroy your own wrecks. Can someone from CCP confirm if this is correct so I can decide to leave game or not? thanks sweet, sweet tears..

Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.01.19 19:08:00 - [51] Running ones own missions when there are so many left unninjaed is like buying new hubcaps for your car when your neighbor has a garage full of them. Also, the wrecks aren't yours. The wrecks themselves are worthless heaps of floating spacejunk. They only have value when someone activates a salvager I on them, and if that person is me, then the salvage is mine. Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
Aurin Lan	Posted - 2009.01.19 19:34:00 - [52] I had some dip **** actually fly up and salvage a ship I had in my transporter. From then on I blow up anything I'm not going to salvage. I use lazers so it costs me nothing at all to blow it up.
Deadeye Devie Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.19 19:47:00 - [53] Edited by: Deadeye Devie on 19/01/2009 19:52:59 Originally by: Tactikill Lol, everyone in EVE spends ISK on ships. Doesn't mean their expenditures gives them the right to take my money via ship salvage. If you're so proud of your ships, why don't you get an agent and run your own missions? I don't know, maybe it's fun for you and you get a kick out of it. That's fine, there's many ways to play EVE and I'm not telling you how to play the game. I'm just stating that salvaging someone else's mission is in my opinion, theft. I, myself, have recently taken up ninja salvaging, and i find it a bernefit to my gaming in reguards to my real life timetable. Let me explain it this way. i CAN and HAVE been running lvl 4 missions for about 1 year now...but even with salvaging counted in at the end, thuis takes me about anywhere from 1-2 hrs for a mission with a TOTAL PAYOFF AFTERT SALES OF 50 MIL. sooo, i spent all that time, training for a Domi and boosting up drone skills, getting large turrets, and for what? to run missions to make money to fund flying Covert ops ships, inties, EAS, and AFs......taking time out of training to perfect this type of ship. I HATE flying big ships, but to pull good money in, i needed to.....but then i started playing round with scanning n probing and found i could probe out other missions and salvage the crap outta them, making about the sale 50 mil in only a fraction of the time!! (last night it was about 8 mins rewarded me with 42 mil). Now, my gaming time is limited to maybe 1-2 hours a week, and perhaps an odd session longer every other weekend, due to work and keeping a house above my head tidy and livable...so when it comes to weekends i want to be out in a ceptor or probing out exploration sites to help my corp. Thus ninja salvaging enables me to fund my frigate habit without having to expent extra time on ships i will never want to use appart from grinding tedius, repetative, mind-numingly long missions. Does this at all make sense? it does to me!!! Also, as far as the 'theft' policy goes, as has been said many times, salvage is junk...just because you shot the ship, doesnt mean you have the right to the rubbish...if i went to a junkyard and got a write-off car you chucked away, took it, stripped it down of its usefull, undamaged parts, then went on to sell these bits to people who needed them to fix thier cars, would this mean im stealing from you???? NO, its junk...if you want it, you take it, if not then its someone elses...first come first served...one mans trash is another mans treasure. Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of themself without that law is both.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.19 20:14:00 - [54] Originally by: Aurin Lan I had some dip **** actually fly up and salvage a ship I had in my transporter. From then on I blow up anything I'm not going to salvage. I use lazers so it costs me nothing at all to blow it up. Umm - this is EvE. Not Star Trek.
Kance Tzu Kvasir Technologies Space Exploration and Logistic Services	Posted - 2009.01.19 20:56:00 - [55] Yeah, salvage ninjas are annoying little 'tards. But as several other people have mentioned, there are ways to discourage them. When one of them latches their snotty little sucker disc onto my mission, I derive enormous sadistic pleasure from waiting until they've tractored a wreck almost within salvage range and then popping it. I mount a laser on my salvage boat for just this purpose. On the other gnarled claw, and as others have mentioned as well, you'll find you have far less problem with this sort of parasitic behavior if you get away from hubs to run your missions. Leeches stay close to the largest concentrations of people, after all. It's a PvP game. Find ways to compete with other players; CCP ain't yo' momma.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.19 21:22:00 - [56] Originally by: Kance Tzu When one of them latches their snotty little sucker disc onto my mission, I derive enormous sadistic pleasure from waiting until they've tractored a wreck almost within salvage range and then popping it. I mount a laser on my salvage boat for just this purpose. You haven't been playing for long, have you? Since when are Players allowed to tractor wrecks of ships that they didn't kill? And FYI - if you open fire with a single 'laser', chances are, I'm still much faster than you are. Jetcans and wrecks are much more resilient than you're giving them credit for. Thus, I call bullshit.


Pages: 1 2 :: [one page]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.