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Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.12.25 21:02:00 - [31] Actually the Vagabond is still too fast. The rapier and huginn are still overpowered. You guys are just fail.
ebonyivory	Posted - 2008.12.25 21:07:00 - [32] Originally by: Pohbis Originally by: ebonyivory ...sure they can zoom around at lululudicrous speeds but theyl get instapopped by just about anything... As opposed to pre "speed tanking boost" patch were they tanked godly, yes? Vagas speed tanked before patch, they still speed tank. Their tank has always been a buffer cushion-tank, tanked to the amount you thought you needed to get out, from when you started to take damage. The only difference is these days you actually need that cushion tank once in awhile, cause you get hit now ( for pathetic damage ) while zooooming around. The fact that the Vaga goes down like a sack of bricks once caught hasn't changed. Pre nerf the vaga could speed tank and take no damage (except for maybe from light missiles) which was fine because it only took one neut and a couple of shots from a bs to pop you/a web. Now you cant speed tank because turrets will track you and your measly amount of ehp isnt enough to avoid being popped very quickly
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.12.25 21:34:00 - [33] Originally by: ebonyivory Originally by: Kurt Ambrose Edited by: Kurt Ambrose on 25/12/2008 20:21:54 Originally by: ebonyivory 2)Hacs are crap 5)Recons are sub-par 6)speed tanking is now effectively useless (why spend 200mil on a polyvaga when youl get popped by a drake 0_o) 1) Vagabond is awesome 2) Rapier and Huginn are still nice 3) You dont need speed rigs to get a decent speed out of the vaga 1)paper tank 2)paper tank 3)paper tank ccp effectively nerfed their only realistic form of tanking (you cant armour tank a vaga or shield tank for that matter) sure they can zoom around at lululudicrous speeds but theyl get instapopped by just about anything uhhh that's the idea hon, speed tanking.
ebonyivory	Posted - 2008.12.25 21:51:00 - [34] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: ebonyivory Originally by: Kurt Ambrose Edited by: Kurt Ambrose on 25/12/2008 20:21:54 Originally by: ebonyivory 2)Hacs are crap 5)Recons are sub-par 6)speed tanking is now effectively useless (why spend 200mil on a polyvaga when youl get popped by a drake 0_o) 1) Vagabond is awesome 2) Rapier and Huginn are still nice 3) You dont need speed rigs to get a decent speed out of the vaga 1)paper tank 2)paper tank 3)paper tank ccp effectively nerfed their only realistic form of tanking (you cant armour tank a vaga or shield tank for that matter) sure they can zoom around at lululudicrous speeds but theyl get instapopped by just about anything no its still paper even if your zooming around at lululudicrous speeds (which you cant do anymore anyways) you cant speed tank a vaga with an mwd because the sig increase will make you easy to pwn via missiles. You cant tank with an ab because its not fast enough to effectively avoid turret fire and outrun missile explosions. uhhh that's the idea hon, speed tanking.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.12.25 21:52:00 - [35] Originally by: ebonyivory uhhh that's the idea hon, speed tanking. I don't kno why you didn't say anything but my answer is, fit a tracking disruptor on your vaga.
ebonyivory	Posted - 2008.12.25 22:04:00 - [36] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: ebonyivory uhhh that's the idea hon, speed tanking. I don't kno why you didn't say anything but my answer is, fit a tracking disruptor on your vaga. ahh curses character depeltion. BAsically speed tasnking was fine pre nerf as you could shrugoff the dps while still being vunerable to web/neut. Now you cant speed tank using an mwd as sig radius makes u a prime target for larger guns and you cant speed tank with an ab because the dmaage reduction isnt enough to shrug off getting hit.
Jalif Black Sinisters	Posted - 2008.12.25 22:08:00 - [37] Edited by: Jalif on 25/12/2008 22:10:24 I do agree that minmatar is subbar compared to the other races I do agree that they need more SP then any other race I do agree that targetpainters need an improvement/chance But I don't agree they suck. Minmatar is the race that is able to dedicate range & pick their own fights. In exchange for that we have to suffer with lower DPS and a lesser tank. If your vega is owned by a drake you are pretty much -----> noob Vega doesn't need poly's, if you want to increase its damage output I suggest you use ambit extentions since your speed is fast enough. It is the fastest ship around beside interceptors. If a target is hitting you either have to retreat anyway or be smarter then him. You either use tracking disruptor drones or a tracking disruptor on the vega itself. Tbh... you are shortminded & just don't know how to pvp. ----> WOW is that way sir. PS: Vega got a boost since QR: - The only cruiser nano around - You don't have to be afraid for webs but for scrams (which have a lesser range) - You could basicly drift trough a web if you have enough speed. I did it myself with a stabber. Which wasn't possible before. CEO of Black Sinisters
Splash Whale Electric Monkey Overlords	Posted - 2008.12.25 22:14:00 - [38] Every race has some ships that need alot of SP to fly properly. Yes, all races. Now dont go comparing "this BS takes 2 times as long to train for then that BS" because it's called diversity. Minmatar has some pretty damn awesome ships out there which most of you probably dont even know how to use. Try thinking outside of the box and suddenly minmatar is the best race you can fly! they had a good period not too long ago where they excelled over most races in alot of areas, now all races are pretty much even. People say amarr is omgwtfgreat now because they have sucked a bit for some time and are actually on a level playing field now. No race is overpowered, no race sucks bigtime, no race is omgwtfpwn. I repeat, it's the power of thought that kills you, not the omgoverpowered ship the other race has. Everything can still counter everything ---- When in doubt, Ctrl-Q.
ebonyivory	Posted - 2008.12.25 22:38:00 - [39] Your telling me that minmatar doesnt suck when.... their caps are the worst (they are really i mean for example the nid has the same slot layout asa thantos but has worse stats on everything except speed) dual weapons systems are a pita and not as good assingle weapon systems split weapons ships take alot more time to train up for the only advantage they really had (speed) got nerfed dont give me all this "diversity" crap the truth is that in pvp in a straight up fight or a fleet fight minmatar ships do not do as well as others the only people that say minmatar doesnt suck or is atleast sub-par are the people who dont fly it which leads into the next point that the only reason ccp doesnt buff it is that minmatar are statically the least numerous of all the races so that means less paychecks for ccp
Maindi	Posted - 2008.12.25 22:49:00 - [40] Originally by: ebonyivory their caps are the worst (they are really i mean for example the nid has the same slot layout asa thantos but has worse stats on everything except speed) Have you ever flown a nidhoggur? Because it seems like you haven't. It gets darn good bonuses for repping which makes it a great support carrier (like carriers are supposed to be). Fit a triage mod to it and boom, you rep like a mofo. A nidhoggur can also tank like there's no tomorrow. The nid has its purposes and it has been really usefull for us atleast. Don't compare nid with thanatos because they have completely diffrent purposes and uses.
Sweet Laylah	Posted - 2008.12.25 22:52:00 - [41] Fail post for over-generalising. OP needs to stop eft craft, go fly said ships.
ebonyivory	Posted - 2008.12.25 23:03:00 - [42] Originally by: Maindi Originally by: ebonyivory their caps are the worst (they are really i mean for example the nid has the same slot layout asa thantos but has worse stats on everything except speed) Have you ever flown a nidhoggur? Because it seems like you haven't. It gets darn good bonuses for repping which makes it a great support carrier (like carriers are supposed to be). Fit a triage mod to it and boom, you rep like a mofo. A nidhoggur can also tank like there's no tomorrow. The nid has its purposes and it has been really usefull for us atleast. Don't compare nid with thanatos because they have completely diffrent purposes and uses. no really the nids tank is sub-par. No use havin all those nice rr bonuses if you get primaried and die first because you have a crappy tank
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.12.25 23:12:00 - [43] Originally by: ebonyivory (literally maybe 5 good ships max) - sabre - stabber and vagabond - rifter and jaguar - huricane - hyena - sleipnir - mamoth (2nd best indus meh) - claw (for fun) - scimtmar - rupture, maybe 5 max ? Fetchez la vache !
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.12.25 23:16:00 - [44] Originally by: Stab Wounds Actually the Vagabond is still too fast. The rapier and huginn are still overpowered. You guys are just fail. The vagabond reflect 6 month of my training so i can make it that fast. Go buy webs and neut if you can't handle them. Since I'm playing I saw 3 speed nerfs, one per year, just because of 50% Eve's players choosing Caldari, slowest of the slow guys in Eve. Adapt or die. Do Minnie complain about being **** at pve, still suposed to shield tank ? No. So stfu with speed nerfs please. Fetchez la vache !
NightmareX D00M. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.25 23:34:00 - [45] Edited by: NightmareX on 25/12/2008 23:36:24 I'm writing this from my iPod Touch so i won't write much here. But i can say that the op sucks big time and have ABSOLUTELY NO idea on how Minmatar is. I have used a Tempest and a Vagabond for many many years, and i can say that those 2 ships are very nice as long you use the ships like they should be used. Stab Wounds, stop being an idiot and use another ship than a Drake, also use a ship that can kill Vagabonds, Rapiers and Huginns. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
ebonyivory	Posted - 2008.12.25 23:38:00 - [46] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: ebonyivory (literally maybe 5 good ships max) - sabre - stabber and vagabond<---easy to pop for the isk you invest and easily outclassed by other races hacs - rifter and jaguar - huricane<---better dps than drake/myrm but sameish dps as harb with less ehp - hyena<---sbs are all round pretty useless nowadays - sleipnir - mamoth (2nd best indus meh)<----industry doesnt really figure into a combat related discussion (however id like to point out that the fenrirhas the least space of all the freighters) - claw (for fun)<---fun does not figure into a ship being good (just makes it enjoyable to play) - scimtmar - rupture, maybe<---rupture is admittedly the best cruiser of its class 5 max ? i count 5/6 there tbh also now lets look at the ships that minmatar has that are abysmal -naglfar<-split weapons makes for sucky dps and does more damage with unbonused lasers than projectiles -nidhoggur<---same slot layout as thanatos but worse in every way statically (the rr bonus isnt enough tomake up for this) -maelstrom/tempest<-sub par compared to pretty much every other bs of thier class -munnin<---outperformed by the hurricane -huggin/rapier<--paper tank and lack of useful bonuses makes for a useless ship i may have generalised abit however the main point is that minmatar ships are SUB-PAR compared to ships of other races. Lets have a look at caldaris good ships for example. -Falcon/rook<---ecm is god on the battlefield -Scorpion<--ecm is god (has better tank) -blackbird<---ecm is god (cheaper) -drake<---good rattingship ands can do reasonable dps -nighthawk<---more expensive drake and lsightly better and pve -raven<---great ratting ship and is also good at pvp -rokh<---good hybrid ship and can fit a pretty good tank at same time -crow<---perhaps the best ceptor availible -chimera<---good tank makes for better survivability in cap battles -phoenix<---can chose damage type and doesnt suffer from split weapon loldps so caldari have what 10 good ships without even having to think too hard
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.12.25 23:39:00 - [47] Originally by: ebonyivory Your telling me that minmatar doesnt suck when.... their caps are the worst (they are really i mean for example the nid has the same slot layout asa thantos but has worse stats on everything except speed) dual weapons systems are a pita and not as good assingle weapon systems split weapons ships take alot more time to train up for the only advantage they really had (speed) got nerfed Now on this I agree. The same on Nagflar and the trashbin-looking Typhoon : +5% rof/level on both weapon doesn't gives you the same dps as a +5% damage / +5% rof as on our huricane. At final, you'll have only +5% rof/level on your damage output. The Phoenix (caldari dread), for exemple, got +5% rof/level AND +5% damage on his damage output. Originally by: ebonyivory dont give me all this "diversity" crap the truth is that in pvp in a straight up fight or a fleet fight minmatar ships do not do as well as others the only people that say minmatar doesnt suck or is atleast sub-par are the people who dont fly it which leads into the next point that the only reason ccp doesnt buff it is that minmatar are statically the least numerous of all the races so that means less paychecks for ccp No. When you fly Minmatar, you have to learn : - the ships (same as everyone else) - proj weapons - basic ewar (our ewar sucks anyway so basic ewar is all what you'll have to train at least) The problems starts here : - shield tanking - armor tanking (wtf) - speed tanking Wtf we have to train all three : each ship have a different optimum tank. And then, because of lack of turrets (give the huricane its missing turret back, it's suposed to be a pure DPS ship, like the drake is suposed to be a pure tank ship) - drones - missiles weapons (wtf) etc. Minnie is hard mode since the begining of my Eve's carrier. Then what. Now i've got nearly all my skills maxed out, I can beat the best blasterthron (all skills 5, 1000dps+) in one of my tempest's setup. The training is just long. The funny thing my char became so versatile that if I want to switch to any ships I want, I can do training only 2-3 skills. Nobody can fly our ships that way. All skills 5 we have got great subcapital ships. The problem is gameplay design here. Our caps are crap. We know that. So what. Some have to have crap caps. Caps can't speedtank anyway. Fetchez la vache !
ebonyivory	Posted - 2008.12.25 23:44:00 - [48] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: ebonyivory Your telling me that minmatar doesnt suck when.... their caps are the worst (they are really i mean for example the nid has the same slot layout asa thantos but has worse stats on everything except speed) dual weapons systems are a pita and not as good assingle weapon systems split weapons ships take alot more time to train up for the only advantage they really had (speed) got nerfed Now on this I agree. The same on Nagflar and the trashbin-looking Typhoon : +5% rof/level on both weapon doesn't gives you the same dps as a +5% damage / +5% rof as on our huricane. At final, you'll have only +5% rof/level on your damage output. The Phoenix (caldari dread), for exemple, got +5% rof/level AND +5% damage on his damage output. Originally by: ebonyivory dont give me all this "diversity" crap the truth is that in pvp in a straight up fight or a fleet fight minmatar ships do not do as well as others the only people that say minmatar doesnt suck or is atleast sub-par are the people who dont fly it which leads into the next point that the only reason ccp doesnt buff it is that minmatar are statically the least numerous of all the races so that means less paychecks for ccp No. When you fly Minmatar, you have to learn : - the ships (same as everyone else) - proj weapons - basic ewar (our ewar sucks anyway so basic ewar is all what you'll have to train at least) The problems starts here : - shield tanking - armor tanking (wtf) - speed tanking Wtf we have to train all three : each ship have a different optimum tank. And then, because of lack of turrets (give the huricane its missing turret back, it's suposed to be a pure DPS ship, like the drake is suposed to be a pure tank ship) - drones - missiles weapons (wtf) etc. Minnie is hard mode since the begining of my Eve's carrier. Then what. Now i've got nearly all my skills maxed out, I can beat the best blasterthron (all skills 5, 1000dps+) in one of my tempest's setup. The training is just long. The funny thing my char became so versatile that if I want to switch to any ships I want, I can do training only 2-3 skills. Nobody can fly our ships that way. All skills 5 we have got great subcapital ships. The problem is gameplay design here. Our caps are crap. We know that. So what. Some have to have crap caps. Caps can't speedtank anyway. why should we have crap caps...we should atleast get capable caps with no advantages but no crippling (read dual tanking and split weapons) disadvantages either. Sad to think that if ccp nerfed caldari thered be so many whines that ccp would fix in like a week >.> The onlyreason that minmatar are still nerfed is that ccp is too stubborn to admit that versatility isnt worth **** nowadays. (oh and the whole fewer minmatar players thing)
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.12.25 23:59:00 - [49] Originally by: ebonyivory -nidhoggur<---same slot layout as thanatos but worse in every way statically (the rr bonus isnt enough tomake up for this) Her tank is still better than the Chimera so it's not pure crap there. Tank matters on pvp carriers. Originally by: ebonyivory -maelstrom/tempest<-sub par compared to pretty much every other bs of thier class lol no. 1v1 any rigged blasterthron all skill 5 vs my tempest NOT all skill 5. And yes I worked a lot on eft+handmade tools to figure out a fit. A fleet tempest still have the best alpha of all tiers 2 bs so it's still the best tier 2 bs for fleet. Originally by: ebonyivory -munnin<---outperformed by the hurricane If you tell so. Only flough one time a munnin on the test server and it was crappy. Originally by: ebonyivory -huggin/rapier<--paper tank and lack of useful bonuses makes for a useless ship which recon can tank anyway ????? I forgot one of our major jewels, which is the minnie HIC. Originally by: ebonyivory i may have generalised abit however the main point is that minmatar ships are SUB-PAR compared to ships of other races. Lets have a look at caldaris good ships for example. -Falcon/rook<---ecm is god on the battlefield<---ecm will be nerfed very soon -Scorpion<--ecm is god (has better tank)<---ecm will be nerfed very soon -blackbird<---ecm is god (cheaper)<---ecm will be nerfed very soon -drake<---good rattingship ands can do reasonable dps<--- what reasonable dps ? reasonable like 250 dps ? lol. No a drake tanks very very very well, that is all. -nighthawk<---more expensive drake and lsightly better and pve -raven<---great ratting ship and is also good at pvp<---raven good at pvp ? Just, no. Extreme at pve ? Yes. Good at pvp ? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Show me a good fit. Not even a fleet fit (because missiles suck so muck in fleets), a good roaming fleet, for fun. It'll be outclassed by our crappy trashbin looking ship. -rokh<---good hybrid ship and can fit a pretty good tank at same time<---- agree, the Rokh is HTE _BBER (and i'd love to fly one) -crow<---perhaps the best ceptor availible<--- I dunno, even with missile nerf ? (that what made his strenght) -chimera<---good tank makes for better survivability in cap battles<--- wrong, chimera's tank is really the least good tank in all carrier, I worked 5 hours on this precise matter on eft for a caldari friend. Unless you fit officer mods of course. -phoenix<---can chose damage type and doesnt suffer from split weapon loldps<---phoenix is UBBER. Then what. so caldari have what 10 good ships without even having to think too hard Fetchez la vache !
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.12.26 00:05:00 - [50] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: ebonyivory (literally maybe 5 good ships max) - sabre - stabber and vagabond - rifter and jaguar - huricane - hyena - sleipnir - mamoth (2nd best indus meh) - claw (for fun) - scimtmar - rupture, maybe 5 max ? Add the Claymore as well with it's gang mods.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.12.26 00:05:00 - [51] Originally by: ebonyivory why should we have crap caps...we should atleast get capable caps with no advantages but no crippling (read dual tanking and split weapons) disadvantages either. Sad to think that if ccp nerfed caldari thered be so many whines that ccp would fix in like a week >.> The onlyreason that minmatar are still nerfed is that ccp is too stubborn to admit that versatility isnt worth **** nowadays. (oh and the whole fewer minmatar players thing) Caldari carrier is the crappiest carrier for PVP. Minmatar dread is the crappiest dread. Minmatar mothership is I don't know crappier or not. Minnie's titan is the harder to figure out usefull ship in the game (I think the leviathan is < to the ragnarok but I don't know very much). My ranking in titans is leviathan < ragnarok = erebus < avatar but the decision to craft this or this titan is made by people that are way above me in an alliance hierachy anyway. Fetchez la vache !
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.12.26 00:08:00 - [52] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: ebonyivory (literally maybe 5 good ships max) (...) 5 max ? Add the Claymore as well with it's gang mods. Yes, and the Broadsword. We have the best hid/dictors. Fetchez la vache !
ebonyivory	Posted - 2008.12.26 00:17:00 - [53] for astart alpha is useless these days as its hard to alpha anything bigger than a cruiser and the appaling rof and tiny ammo capacity makes artillery the worst of the sniping guns. The onyx can fit a better tank than the broadsword. The chimera can out tank a nid (no rly) in the short term (which is more important as you will need to rely on other caps to rep you (which may take precious seconds). Also the chimera is better for being remote repped as the resistance bonuses make for more ehp added per remote rep cycle. Blasters suck atm so its no use comparing them them....trying lazors instead i think youl find you get your arse handed to you.
ebonyivory	Posted - 2008.12.26 00:21:00 - [54] Ok i see you guys wisdom and bow to it. Lets make this into a boost artillery/large acs/munnin/nidhoggur/naglfar/split weapons system/longer training time/split tanking on caps/speed/falloff crappiness thread instead. I mean its not like any of these affect the minmatar in any way shape or form.. /sarcasm off
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.12.26 00:29:00 - [55] Read the news dude. The empress sis fixing minmatar by herself! ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.12.26 00:33:00 - [56] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 26/12/2008 00:36:11 Originally by: ebonyivory Edited by: ebonyivory on 26/12/2008 00:18:05 for astart alpha is useless these days as its hard to alpha anything bigger than a cruiser and the appaling rof and tiny ammo capacity makes artillery the worst of the sniping guns. I don't care about Gallente having crap ships or not... Astarte is Gallente. And it's not artillery. Linkage Originally by: ebonyivory The onyx can fit a better tank than the broadsword. I dunno, did not study, if you say so. Originally by: ebonyivory The chimera can out tank a nid (no rly) in the short term (which is more important as you will need to rely on other caps to rep you (which may take precious seconds). I won't sustain your wonderfull outtank capapilities enough to hold a full traige mode, stop dreaming. Originally by: ebonyivory Also the chimera is better for being remote repped as the resistance bonuses make for more ehp added per remote rep cycle. Just, well... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Resistance bonuses. Every ships have them. the Chimera can't fit a sensor booster or a point without breaking his tank. It have problems sustaining more than one triage mode without breaking his tank. Claiming "he is the best to be assisted" is a non argument. First if it have to be assisted it's not a "that great omg I tank alone" ship. Second, show me brute numbers. The best tank I had for chimera with best named/t2 gear is < to any other carrier, for ehp rep per seconds, for traige mode it can hold AND for basic ewar. Remember, no sensor boosters or points on Chimera's fits. Other carrier can and does. -edit- the only reason people love the Chimera is them having allready Caldari BS 5 and lazy to choose Archons. If I remember well and if the balancing didn't change this since 6 month ago, Archons is the best pvp carrier, followed by Nig or Thanatos then Chimera. Play with eft if you don't beleive me. Fetchez la vache !
ebonyivory	Posted - 2008.12.26 00:47:00 - [57] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 26/12/2008 00:36:11 Originally by: ebonyivory Edited by: ebonyivory on 26/12/2008 00:18:05 for astart alpha is useless these days as its hard to alpha anything bigger than a cruiser and the appaling rof and tiny ammo capacity makes artillery the worst of the sniping guns. I don't care about Gallente having crap ships or not... Astarte is Gallente. And it's not artillery. Linkage Originally by: ebonyivory The onyx can fit a better tank than the broadsword. I dunno, did not study, if you say so. Originally by: ebonyivory The chimera can out tank a nid (no rly) in the short term (which is more important as you will need to rely on other caps to rep you (which may take precious seconds). I won't sustain your wonderfull outtank capapilities enough to hold a full traige mode, stop dreaming. Originally by: ebonyivory Also the chimera is better for being remote repped as the resistance bonuses make for more ehp added per remote rep cycle. Just, well... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Resistance bonuses. Every ships have them. the Chimera can't fit a sensor booster or a point without breaking his tank. It have problems sustaining more than one triage mode without breaking his tank. Claiming "he is the best to be assisted" is a non argument. First if it have to be assisted it's not a "that great omg I tank alone" ship. Second, show me brute numbers. The best tank I had for chimera with best named/t2 gear is < to any other carrier, for ehp rep per seconds, for traige mode it can hold AND for basic ewar. Remember, no sensor boosters or points on Chimera's fits. Other carrier can and does. -edit- the only reason people love the Chimera is them having allready Caldari BS 5 and lazy to choose Archons. If I remember well and if the balancing didn't change this since 6 month ago, Archons is the best pvp carrier, followed by Nig or Thanatos then Chimera. Play with eft if you don't beleive me. You dont know much about caps do you? YOu dont EVER fit a triage on a cap if you dont wana be lolled off the battlefield. This is because it stops you deploying fighters which is half of the reason why carriers are used. You do not fit a point on your capital for gods sake thats what support is for. Those extra 20-25% resistance means you effectively take 25% less dmg and each remote rep cycle is 25% more potent (topping up your ehp an extra 25%) which is crucial to spider tanking. The nidhoggur does not have the xtra 5% reistances per lvl which effectively makes its tank weaker in comparison. Carriers were built to spider tank which is kinda why they get to use capital remote reps. Since capitals are used in big fleet fights when you can be alphad or almost alphad by dreads means that caps have to use their remote reps to quickly rep up anyone taking damage. Eft doesnt figure in fleetsupport or remote reps. Trust me i know a reasonable bit about fleet fights and generally speaking its goes something like chimera-archon>>>>>>thanatos>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nidhoggur
Onewingedangel Minmatar MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.12.26 01:09:00 - [58] Edited by: Onewingedangel on 26/12/2008 01:13:45 Edited by: Onewingedangel on 26/12/2008 01:10:51 Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth ebony. You say caps are built to spidertank, yet the best spider tanking cap you say sucks. Why should the cap with the best remote rep ability have the best tank? Logically, it should have the weakest as it has the greatest ability to help others. Making statements like a cap should never fit this or a ship should never fit that, is probably why you are running into problems. There is no do or don't, there are situations that you must adapt to and fit for. http://killboard.mass-alliance.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2526 Theres the paper tanked Rapier you're talking about. Add up the damage, respectable tank. Also, I can easily see how one could put a ******ed shield tank on a vaga. Stop using a cookie cutter and start using your imagination and the versatility and greatness of Minmatar will become obvious to you.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.12.26 01:11:00 - [59] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 26/12/2008 01:11:55 Originally by: ebonyivory You dont know much about caps do you? Yes, I don't know very much caps. Never flew, just destroys them. Originally by: ebonyivory YOu dont EVER fit a triage on a cap if you dont wana be lolled off the battlefield. This is because it stops you deploying fighters which is half of the reason why carriers are used. (...) Carriers were built to spider tank which is kinda why they get to use capital remote reps. Since capitals are used in big fleet fights when you can be alphad or almost alphad by dreads means that caps have to use their remote reps to quickly rep up anyone taking damage. I fail to see your logic here. Triage mode pwns everything to spider tank. You say carriers are builts to use spider tanking. So they are to use triage. Anyway... Originally by: ebonyivory You do not fit a point on your capital for gods sake thats what support is for. Removing a takling ship also help you tanking better. \o/ Every carrier I flew with had a triage + point or at least a sensor booster if not chimeras. Somebody who flew all four carrier and breaked a lot said that Chimeras were the least effective pvp carrier out of the four. Originally by: ebonyivory Those extra 20-25% resistance means you effectively take 25% less dmg and each remote rep cycle is 25% more potent (topping up your ehp an extra 25%) which is crucial to spider tanking. The nidhoggur does not have the xtra 5% reistances per lvl which effectively makes its tank weaker in comparison. Chimera is the only carrier to shield tank. She still have to capacitor tank with the same said med slots. So no sensor booster (which you said its no problem). So it can't target anything before it blows (to remote rep) or kill anything since you are target in 20 secs or so. And no point mean even if it lock something it can't deploy fighters to attack, target will w/o. Originally by: ebonyivory Eft doesnt figure in fleetsupport or remote reps. It does. :) Originally by: ebonyivory Trust me i know a reasonable bit about fleet fights and generally speaking its goes something like chimera-archon>>>>>>thanatos>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nidhoggur Alpha is not very usefull in fleets... The Chimera is crap. I'll show you numbers by the second I grab my eft computer (tomorow). Fetchez la vache !
Torlin Valric Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.12.26 01:13:00 - [60] Originally by: ebonyivory The onyx can fit a better tank than the broadsword. That could be true, but does it make the broadsword a crap ship? Because that's what you been going on about, minmatar ships suck. Is it so difficult for you to admit that the broadsword is a good ship?

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