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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.12.26 10:18:00 -
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Sniping page 2 is finished with development and ready to go :) --
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.26 10:21:00 -
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Sharded eh? That reminds me of that movie when that guy "sharded", only he meant he farted and sh!t himself at the same time. No wait, a sharded Eve sounds the same Boink! |
Sul Trewtis
ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.26 10:25:00 -
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Hmmmm... New graphics engine, Ambulation. In the long long destance Planetary Warfare. I'm sure there's an EvE 2.0 buried somewhere in there.
And Infinity. CCP have refactored entire sections of the Client and Server software over the years. What do you think Stackless IO and Trinity were about? Just because code is old doesn't mean it's clunky and bad. Also with the development methodology CCP uses I'd expect refactoring code to make it simpler and 'better' to be done as part of their sprints.
EvE has got dramatically better since I joined 2 years ago and it's because CCP have recently focused on doing the core code and infastructure improvements and improving EvE on the whole for the long run whereas releasing EvE 2 may have made them more ISK for a bit and then fallen flat taking both games out.
For the forseeable future my money will be going to CCP to keep building and maintaining EvE and I've yet to see another MMO that will pull me in like EvE has. -------------------------------------------------- Civil Disobedience is still Disobedience The most damage is done by those that know how and not why |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.12.26 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: ElCoCo Sharded eh? That reminds me of that movie when that guy "sharded", only he meant he farted and sh!t himself at the same time. No wait, a sharded Eve sounds the same
Lol, should be /thread right there --
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.26 10:31:00 -
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Edited by: Glengrant on 26/12/2008 10:33:20
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
After 8 years it probably should be.
EvE is old and clunky and full of patches and fixes.
Old - yes - clunky - no. It's been massively patched including replacing it's graphics engine - so codewise it's much younger than 5 years.
A patch doesn't have to just add fix lines - you can replace whole modules. It's well possible that no part is older than 3 years and many perhaps just 1-2. Due to the fact that patches are mandatory for everyone there is nothing keeping CCP from making as fundametal a change to the codebase as they need.
Originally by: Infinity Ziona The playerbase is definitely ripe for a new game
You mean you are ripe for a new game and based on the whining of a few forumites and a couple of people on voice that you chatted with you assume everybody else is too.
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
and giving them EvE 2, with a refined engine and more functional fleet fights is definitely smarter then just adding content / bug expansions?
You have a strange definition of smart and what exactly would EVE 2 change (while still being called EVE) except for adding content, remove bugs and make fleet fights more functionable. All of which already happens.
Originally by: Infinity Ziona Im pretty skeptical of games like Infinity but if they do manage to pull it off it probably wont be too pretty for EvE (although personally going back to 5k players peak would be awesome imo).
You are right to be sceptical about Infinity. I give it a very low probability of ever coming out and of it does I give it 0 chance of working as announced.
But we don't have to wait for Infinity to have an example of a potentially very popular sci fi game. We alrady had that - years past: SWG. When SWG came out not too long after EVE it was very popular (the big name franchise alone made sure of that). It also cost EVE lot of players (though not actually reducing the player base - only stagnating for a while as new players only just about replaced those going away to SWG).
Some people I knew who left for SWG came back even before the big NGE debacle when SWG crashed.
I expect Star Trek Online also to be a big hit at first - only to disapoint because people won't find the atmosphere and experiebce they expect from the series.
Look at MMPOG charts and you see a pattern of big name MMOGs starting big only to fall down to a lower level as expectations get disapointed: http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart2.html
Originally by: Infinity Ziona As a new player what would your money go to?
Doesn't matter at all. EVE is usually not the first MMOG for most players. It's what you upgrade to after you played the intro stuff. Many EVE players will try out STO and others - and then come back.
Originally by: Infinity Ziona A brand new sharded game where players can choose to join up on a relatively new server and with a comfortable learning curve
Cool - never had that before .. err .. wait ...
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
or a very old (in mmorpg terms) single server game where players will need to compete with 5-6 year old players in a game whos interface is obscure and or downright confusing.
The interface could use some improvement - but it's neither obscure nor confusing. The menus are easily undersstood - just not very efficient.
And is there another game where noobs - after a few weeks/months *can* compete with veterans and play *with* veterans successfully from almost the beginning - because in EVE they can. No artificial level barriers. EVE combat is a lot more than just SP and the skill levels have diminishing returns. For a few extra percentage points you have to train 4 times as long to level 5 compared to lvl 4.
And don't get me started on shards and the lameness.
And in what universe is having a game where reputation counts and you got a history a bad thing? --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back!
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Roymundo
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.12.26 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Roymundo on 26/12/2008 10:35:54
Originally by: Sul Trewtis
EvE 2 may have made them more ISK for a bit and then fallen flat taking both games out.
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methinks you need a break from the game kiddo!
oh, and no real point to eve 2.
if the devs had to devote their time to eve 2 we'd wait a long time for the new installment rather than get it in bits and pieces like we are now. even if its only little bits, the current system is better really.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2008.12.26 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona LOL ur all insane.
EvE is old and clunky.
Patches do != a brand new game - no matter how good at game design you are you'll always be limited by the initial coding and architecture unless you recode the entire game - EvE 1 will never = EvE II without a complete rewrite which will of course be exactly what Im suggesting.
Sequels to games are very rarely started from zero. A lot of code is recycled in order to cut production costs. CCP does this without putting a 2 behind the game name and charging 50 bucks for it. I like them for that.
Example: Civilization was released in '91. Its codebase was used for both Civ II and III. With IV, they threw away all the old code.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Winters Chill
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.12.26 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: EmbraceMy'Hate
looks like a deliberate rip off of eve lmao
No more than eve is a "deliberate" rip off of Elite. Infinity is actually a little more ground breaking than eve. Eve follows a typical MMO model of using a mathematical game system to work out combat. Infintiy is twitch based combat, twitch based flight and use procedural generation for almost everything.
Will it work as a game? time will tell.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.12.26 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Winters Chill
Originally by: EmbraceMy'Hate
looks like a deliberate rip off of eve lmao
No more than eve is a "deliberate" rip off of Elite. Infinity is actually a little more ground breaking than eve. Eve follows a typical MMO model of using a mathematical game system to work out combat. Infintiy is twitch based combat, twitch based flight and use procedural generation for almost everything.
Will it work as a game? time will tell.
Infinity looks interesting, and it could well be great, but it's not really "competition" for EvE, unless in the same way that that a go-karting track is competition for a car dealership.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2008.12.26 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 26/12/2008 11:32:12
Originally by: Winters Chill Infinity is actually a little more ground breaking than eve. Eve follows a typical MMO model of using a mathematical game system to work out combat. Infintiy is twitch based combat, twitch based flight and use procedural generation for almost everything.
Have to disagree completely.
Planetside did the twitch stuff. Jumpgate did the twitch stuff. Jumpgate evolution will to the twitch stuff. And there are more examples.
Procedural generation isn't new either. It has been used extensively in the early days of gaming due to the low memory requirements.
Aiming for single shard and pulling it off was an actual first.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Shinrui
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Posted - 2008.12.26 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: EmbraceMy'Hate
Originally by: Infinity Ziona Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 26/12/2008 06:06:18
Im pretty skeptical of games like Infinity but if they do manage to pull it off it probably wont be too pretty for EvE (although personally going back to 5k players peak would be awesome imo).
looks like a deliberate rip off of eve lmao
More like a deliberate rip off of Elite, which is a good thing. I take it you didn't actually read anything about Infinity.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.26 12:09:00 -
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Oh look here's someone plugging Infinity 3 years ago. Eve has progressed a lot more since then than Infinity.
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar The Paratwa FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.12.26 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Aodha Khan on 26/12/2008 12:21:38
No need for an Eve 2.
Software is written in such a fashion that CCP can upgrade components of Eve will into the future to continually move forward.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_componentry
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Shinrui
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Posted - 2008.12.26 12:22:00 -
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Progress or no progress, the two games aren't comparable... which is what my original point was. Read about infinity and compare it to eve and you will see very little similarity in the ways of game mechanics.
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.12.26 12:35:00 -
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Moved to OOPE.
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.12.26 12:50:00 -
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Lining up the op...
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.26 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: FunzzeR Seriously, Eve is like a good whine--gets better as the trolls roll by.
That's better.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.12.26 14:05:00 -
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The WoW kiddy here... I mean OP, doesn't even know how old his precious WoW is. WoW is older than EVE and Blizzard are about to release WoW 2 with all new updated graphics and gameplay, not the same silly 10 year old engine you can run on a GF2 video card. Cute try Mr. WoW, go back to that game.
OP isn't clueless, he just came to advertise his lvl 80 FailElf or Faildead which he has geared after doing the same raid 300 times.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.12.26 14:30:00 -
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Sharded games are past.
The (only) future is in single-sharded games. CCP saw this in a vision already 10 years ago. Now and in the next decade it will become more and more true and people will see the wisdom of the single-shard concept.
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.26 14:34:00 -
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im happy the way things are atm ta very much why change just for the sake of change
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.12.26 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie Sharded games are past.
The (only) future is in single-sharded games. CCP saw this in a vision already 10 years ago. Now and in the next decade it will become more and more true and people will see the wisdom of the single-shard concept.
Imagine a single shard WoW server where hundreds of thousands of immature 40 year olds and prepubescant 12 year olds show off their purple gear. Oh the epicness of it!
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Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.12.26 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona Ask the average EvE vet about EvE and they'll usually tell you the game was more enjoyable earlier on in its development. I am a vet and I definitely feel that way.
Just out of curiosity, at which expansion or patch does the average EVE vet feel the game peaked and development should have stopped?
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Antarious Kronar
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Posted - 2008.12.26 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: EmbraceMy'Hate
Originally by: Infinity Ziona Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 26/12/2008 06:06:18
Im pretty skeptical of games like Infinity but if they do manage to pull it off it probably wont be too pretty for EvE (although personally going back to 5k players peak would be awesome imo).
looks like a deliberate rip off of eve lmao
I never heard of Infinity until I saw this thread. I went to the website and read up on the game. I agree, complete rip-off of Eve and the concepts. They even claim when your ship blows up, you will be deposited into your PodÖ.
CCP, use your mighty Hammer of Smite and nip this in the bud.
As far as Eve2 though, I am against it. Taking developers and design teams away from Eve, just to start on a new game that would take years to design, would be a very bad decision.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.12.26 15:45:00 -
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I think the OP is unaware of just how much work it is to create a game from the ground-up. It is a HUGE undertaking. Creating a game as complex as EVE is today from a standing start is unthinkable. Getting all those features and balance right would be nigh impossible. Remember EVE's "patches" have grown the game dramatically since it first started. I played EVE when it first came out (or nearly so) and it was far, far less complex and lacking in features (for instance you could only choose Frigs, Cruisers, Battleships and Industrials and Shuttles to fly). If anything CCP has to take care to stay on top of this ever growing and expanding monster that is so complex it is hard to think anyone can really have a grasp on it all.
In short, EVE-2 would be a pale shadow of EVE-1 for years.
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Highwind Cid
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Posted - 2008.12.26 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton sharded... **** that.
Just did, in my pants.
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AmosTrask
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.26 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper The WoW kiddy here... I mean OP, doesn't even know how old his precious WoW is. WoW is older than EVE and Blizzard are about to release WoW 2 with all new updated graphics and gameplay, not the same silly 10 year old engine you can run on a GF2 video card. Cute try Mr. WoW, go back to that game.
OP isn't clueless, he just came to advertise his lvl 80 FailElf or Faildead which he has geared after doing the same raid 300 times.
eve is older than wow eve 05/06/03 wow 11/23/04
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Grek Forto
THE IRIS United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.26 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper The WoW kiddy here... I mean OP, doesn't even know how old his precious WoW is. WoW is older than EVE and Blizzard are about to release WoW 2 with all new updated graphics and gameplay, not the same silly 10 year old engine you can run on a GF2 video card. Cute try Mr. WoW, go back to that game.
OP isn't clueless, he just came to advertise his lvl 80 FailElf or Faildead which he has geared after doing the same raid 300 times.
WoW is not older then EVE.
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David Kang
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Posted - 2008.12.26 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: David Kang on 26/12/2008 18:29:35
Originally by: Super Whopper The WoW kiddy here... I mean OP, doesn't even know how old his precious WoW is. WoW is older than EVE and Blizzard are about to release WoW 2 with all new updated graphics and gameplay, not the same silly 10 year old engine you can run on a GF2 video card. Cute try Mr. WoW, go back to that game.
OP isn't clueless, he just came to advertise his lvl 80 FailElf or Faildead which he has geared after doing the same raid 300 times.
incoming 50+ post about how EVE is actually older then WoW
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Neesa Corrinne
Rogue Shadow Squad Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.26 18:34:00 -
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I for one am totally for an EVE 2.
In fact, I think you'll find the line that divides people who do want EVE 2 and those do don't want EVE 2 will be wallet size.
People who have billions and billions of ISK, or a deep investment in owning 0.0 territory, will of course race to the forums to squash any notion that the game could do with a complete makeover from ground up.
Those who have less invested in the game, either in time, ISK or territory, will be more inclined to see a new version of EVE.
Personally, I have billions and billions of ISK, but I always try to look at things more objectively, and I would happily start over again in EVE 2 while continuing to play the original game. ---------------------------------
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.26 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne I for one am totally for an EVE 2.
Why? What's the gain? 0.0 taken? 4 weeks after EVE 2 - same situation. New features? Already happened. We've been getting EVE piece by piece for years.
Everything you expect from EVE 2 can either be had with EVE or won't work as you expect anyway.
p.s. I never even had close to 1 billion - while I know know many players just a few months in the game who have that and more. It's not at all about the isk. If anything it's about SP. Some new players think they need to have as much SP as the oldest pilot or can't compete. Which is just a failure in understanding how EVE works. This is not a level based game. --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back!
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