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Neesa Corrinne
Rogue Shadow Squad
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.26 19:40:00 -
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Show me how to make a carrier pilot in 4 weeks and then I'll believe your naive idea that four weeks after EVE 2 opens it will be the same situation.
I would have an absolute blast actually fighting people in a cruiser without worrying that the guy I'm fighting is going to hot drop three motherships and a titan on me.
So no, you're absolutely wrong, starting over would actually bring back most of the charm that this game has completely lost over the past two years. Every new player charts a direct course for capital ships as soon as they start playing.
I do have fun playing EVE, but EVE 2 would be a blast, especially if the Devs were intelligent about it this time around made sure it didn't turn into a capital ship ****fest.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.12.26 19:49:00 -
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FFS I'd be glad if EvE came out of beta finally 
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2008.12.26 19:56:00 -
[63]
 Originally by: Glengrant
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
I for one am totally for an EVE 2.
Why? What's the gain?
0.0 taken? 4 weeks after EVE 2 - same situation.
New features? Already happened. We've been getting EVE piece by piece for years.
Everything you expect from EVE 2 can either be had with EVE or won't work as you expect anyway.
It would actually be a lot worse than that. In the years it would take to make EVE 2, there would have been a ton of new features added to the original game. EVE1 would in all propability be the better game of the two, but new players would go for EVE2 just because it's the "newer" version.
You would have a situation where CCP needs to support two games with split playerbase or let one of them die. The one they would kill would be the old version. But since it had a long history and features EVE2 would not have, not everyone would switch. Why would they, when their favorite game just got cancelled because of EVE2, a game that doesn't even have all the features the old one had.
The same would happen even if CCP stopped adding new features to the old game when starting the development of EVE2. EVE1 would become a stale and slowly dying game, but without new content being added, it would get polished to the point, that a new game just can't compete with.
When you have the option to continue the development of the current game and can totally rewrite the code when necessary, there isn't much to be gained from starting all over again from nothing. Certainly nothing worth the negative consequenses.
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Ivana Drake
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Posted - 2008.12.26 20:07:00 -
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You can make EVE 2 but it'l still be boring.
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Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.26 20:18:00 -
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I tried playing the combat prototype, it failed to connect. Therefore it sucks and Eve wins.
Just from watching the video, looks like IW2: EOC > Infinity, shame that game never took off.
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.12.26 20:48:00 -
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If by Eve 2 then you mean a lot more 0.0 space and mechanics designed to make extra space for existing large alliances infeasible, then yes I would be for this "Eve 2".
Also Eve is older than WoW fyi.
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goodby4u
Valor Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.26 21:14:00 -
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Why make eve 2? Why not just expand upon eve?
I mean, I love the game, aslong as they expand upon it its making progress(for instance the graphics update and the advent of in station walking).
Btw infinity doesnt have a chance of coming out, they just dont have the funding.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.12.26 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
Every new player charts a direct course for capital ships as soon as they start playing.
They do? Guess it is all the new guys in cap ships then. I have been playing for 5+ years and I still cannot fly a cap ship...any cap ship (unless you count freighters).
I agree in that I miss the early days of EVE when it was wide open and just getting a battleship was a Big Deal. There was a charm then it has since lost. That said EVE has added a lot and frankly that simple charm wears thin pretty quickly (used to take me 8 trips in an industrial just to move enough mins for 1 battleship...don't miss that) without additions to the game.
And make no mistake EVE-2 would very quickly be populated by people rushing for the Big ships or whatever advantage they could get. Inside of 6 months new players would be complaining they have no chance.
There are some underlying mechanics I think CCP is stuck with that kind of suck (like battles being confined to gates and stations for the most part). Hopefully they can see their way clear of that someday but I am not sure.
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D'ceet
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.12.26 21:58:00 -
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what you are asking for is a wow clone but with spaceships instead of knights orks.
and to that i say no.
i enjoy that EVE takes FOREVER to train stuff, as it keeps the grinding riff-raffs out of EVE, because hard work is needed.
Originally by: Popperr
I resent the insinuation that we have intelligence, artificial or otherwise.
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.27 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
Show me how to make a carrier pilot in 4 weeks and then I'll believe your naive idea that four weeks after EVE 2 opens it will be the same situation.
You missed my point and I never said anything about capitals.
I said 0.0 would be claimed in no time when several 100k players flood EVE 2. Doesn't matter if the blob on the chokepoint has 70 cruisers or 70 BS or 70 capitals. There'll be an alliance blob protecting as much space as they can claim successfully. You don't need a single capital ship as long as the other guys don't have any either.
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
I would have an absolute blast actually fighting people in a cruiser without worrying that the guy I'm fighting is going to hot drop three motherships and a titan on me.
As if most fights include hotdropping 3 MS and a Titan - even in 0.0. Don't be silly.
Besides how many capital drops do you get in low sec, empire wars and FW? (answer: few, none, none)
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
So no, you're absolutely wrong, starting over would actually bring back most of the charm that this game has completely lost over the past two years.
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
Every new player charts a direct course for capital ships as soon as they start playing.
Not only can I see from the many I recruited that this is not true - but I myself have yet to fly my first capital - after 5+ years. Generalizations ftl.
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
I do have fun playing EVE, but EVE 2 would be a blast, especially if the Devs were intelligent about it this time around made sure it didn't turn into a capital ship ****fest.
They *are* intelligent about it. POS & capitals are the strategic subgame of EVE. Just as much as it has the FW, trade, industry, low sec piracy etc... subgames.
The strategy game doesn't appeal to you with its big fleets, logistics, diplomacy, subterfuge and backstabbing?
Fine - stay out of it. EVE is big and allows for different playstyles.
Capitals without support fleets can easily get into trouble. There is no win-button pawnmobile in EVE. Every ship has its roles and counters.
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Sir Eldriech
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Posted - 2008.12.27 03:44:00 -
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Are you serious?
That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard, ever.
MMOs don't make, "sequals."
Especially EVE, there's no immediate storyline, genious.
It's not an MMORPG, it's free-form MMOG.
Any graphical or mechanical update will be done so in an expansion, update, or a patch. Which really are just synonyms for eachother.
There can be groundbreaking updates or expansions that can completly change the game, why would they waste their money to make a whole new game?
And EvE II?
That just tells people the first isn't successful, is that the kind of image you want for this great game?
Why would the people who've been playing for 8 years want to start over?
And what's EvE anyway, why is the 'v' suddenly truncated?
And if it's so old and clunky why do you play it?
EVE has one of the most complex, and well put-together systems I've ever played on.
And the internation server type thing is genious, sharded servers take away the fun and realism.
/rantoff <___<
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2008.12.27 06:07:00 -
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I'm bored |
Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.12.27 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: AmosTrask
Originally by: Super Whopper
The WoW kiddy here... I mean OP, doesn't even know how old his precious WoW is. WoW is older than EVE and Blizzard are about to release WoW 2 with all new updated graphics and gameplay, not the same silly 10 year old engine you can run on a GF2 video card. Cute try Mr. WoW, go back to that game.
OP isn't clueless, he just came to advertise his lvl 80 FailElf or Faildead which he has geared after doing the same raid 300 times.
eve is older than wow
eve 05/06/03
wow 11/23/04
That is what I was trying to say but I'm glad I managed to post what I wrote in the first place. I sat here pressing keys very carefully, making sure I didn't make any mistakes. I was pretty tipsy and someone whining about WoW just set me off. Great way to end the night. 
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Infinity Ziona
Extortive
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Posted - 2008.12.27 06:58:00 -
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Wow.
Moderation:
EvE General is where this post belongs. If you don't like my opinion then respond to it with an appropriate response and not by moving an obviously EvE related post to a non-EvE related forum. I'd appreciate a non-biased mod to move it back as it satisfies the criteria for EvE General. Thanks.
EvE 1 Fanboys
I understand fanboism so wont say much. Generally posts that are offensive or silly I just ignore I didnt see any fanboi posts that were creative or overly intelligent so I wont be acknowledging your existence other then this little bittle paragraph. Translation: Plz Dnt Br33d.
The one or two posts that were legible and stated a point and then backed it up with a lucid reason thanks.
As far as code goes I do know a bit about it since I have programmed and worked in a programming related area for over a decade. What many of you are suggesting is that you can take EvE1 and turn it into EvE 2 without recoding. Thats much like saying you could take Doom 1 and turn it into Doom 2. No you cant do that its technically impossible.
You could however take still useful parts of Doom (which they did) and put them into Doom 2 (which they did) but it was definitely not the same game.
Some were asking why you would want an EvE 2? Play Doom 1 next time you wanna play a FPS and you'll see why. Technology doesnt wait for software titles and it wont wait for EvE online. In 30 years when I look back I expect to see you all still lagging out in Jita while Im playing the latest string theory networked game where there is no lag at all.
Bottom line is your all playing the EvE version of Doom 1, if you compare it to what you will be playing in the future then your gonna understand why every game fades away to eventually die and sequels are developed.
One final note - Fear of Shards is rampant. You don't play EVE with more then a few hundred people at a time simply because the current architecture EVEN WITH the new technology patches they tried to plug into this clunky system just CAN NOT COPE with it.
CCP hasnt pulled off a single sharded system where 40k players can play against each other they can barely cope with a few hundred without special servers being utilised and even then its a slideshow.
The EVE system is a cluster of servers just like WOW or EQ or whatever the only real difference is they dynamically transfer you from one shard to another with a sometimes significant wait.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.12.27 07:05:00 -
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You just don't understand how hardware works. CCP have the most powerful gaming mainframe in the world and they can't prevent the lag. You think MMO's are sharded for the fun of it? Look at WoW, with 5000 people on any given server there're loads of empty spaces that could be filled with more players but the cap has been set at 5000 because the server can't handle it.
While you dream of your super server in 30 years time EVE might not even exist. The way WoW is going it will burn itself out at some point in time and Blizzard are milking it for all it's worth. If EVE does exist in 30 years time CCP might have released EVE 2, who knows but technology will have moved on then too, so while you dream of your lagless single cluster server CCP will also have migrated to such a system.
You should stop being so bitter and look into super computing. It takes several mainframes to calculate the mathematical requirements of a simple car in this day and age and you think that it's all CCP's fault. To be honest I don't know what you were expecting out of this thread, not in the least because you know so little but think so much.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.12.27 07:08:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
The EVE system is a cluster of servers just like WOW or EQ or whatever the only real difference is they dynamically transfer you from one shard to another with a sometimes significant wait.
Congratulations, you just answered your own question. Welcome to 'sharded' EVE.
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Infinity Ziona
Extortive
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Posted - 2008.12.27 07:15:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Super Whopper
You just don't understand how hardware works. CCP have the most powerful gaming mainframe in the world and they can't prevent the lag. You think MMO's are sharded for the fun of it? Look at WoW, with 5000 people on any given server there're loads of empty spaces that could be filled with more players but the cap has been set at 5000 because the server can't handle it.
While you dream of your super server in 30 years time EVE might not even exist. The way WoW is going it will burn itself out at some point in time and Blizzard are milking it for all it's worth. If EVE does exist in 30 years time CCP might have released EVE 2, who knows but technology will have moved on then too, so while you dream of your lagless single cluster server CCP will also have migrated to such a system.
You should stop being so bitter and look into super computing. It takes several mainframes to calculate the mathematical requirements of a simple car in this day and age and you think that it's all CCP's fault. To be honest I don't know what you were expecting out of this thread, not in the least because you know so little but think so much.
Your post is embarrassing unless you are a super chimp powered by supercomputers then its actually quite good.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.12.27 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Your post is embarrassing me.
Fixed for you, isn't that really sweet of me?
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.12.27 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
...no offense, but how much egg nog did you drink yesterday/today?
Eve is less "clunky" and more easily grasped than at any time in its history. Heck, it's much improved from even a year ago.
And as for the playerbase being "ripe" for a new game...well, I guess you haven't been studying the steadily increasing growth and amount of players online?
But I suspect that you are a troll.
I keep getting distracted by your signature. I try to read your posts but she just draws my eyes toward her.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2008.12.27 08:01:00 -
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If an EVE 2 was developed they'd need to change the sovereignty system more than anything.
I know they've talked about changing it here in EVE, but I'm not sure they could get a new system now without actually angering to many people, and they are a business.
It would require changing many systems really.
The first is I'd do a larger seeding of moon minerals. Make it such that at least one of each of the moon minerals spawns in a given constellation.
Next I'd recode such that Alliances could defend their stargates. Two possible solutions, one would be make it so that you could anchor a POS at a stargate as well. The other solution would be to allow the stargate to act as a power source for a number of weapon turrets around them (kinda like a mini POS).
As I said initially I'd implement a system where the first skill allowed 1 system per level to be controlled. I'd also make it such that they had to be continous systems. Then possibly 1 or 2 higher skills that would each allow another system each. First one make a rank 1, then a rank 3, then a rank 5.
Next I'd recode POSs. I'd pretty much eliminate fuel for them. Basically I'd just power them with solar power under normal circumstances. Eliminating one of the most boring and tedious tasks in the game. I'd include both the current normal fuel as well as the reinforced fuel as fuel for reinforced mode.
I'd never have a t2 lottery. All t2 bpcs would be through invention. However I would make the system a bit better and more reliable than it is currently.
I'd probably code it also to where the NPCs that appear in sovereign space would be NPCs of that alliance, customizable to some extent.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.12.27 08:15:00 -
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EVE 2 obviously has nothing to do with EVE, hence it's appearing in the OOPE forum.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.12.27 11:13:00 -
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People who ask for server resets, new servers, etc, don't really have a problem with old players having an advantage. They just want to be the ones with that advantage.
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David Kang
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Posted - 2008.12.27 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
People who ask for server resets, new servers, etc, don't really have a problem with old players having an advantage. They just want to be the ones with that advantage.
This 
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Infinity Ziona
Extortive
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Posted - 2008.12.27 12:58:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Malcanis
People who ask for server resets, new servers, etc, don't really have a problem with old players having an advantage. They just want to be the ones with that advantage.
I'm an old player and I have the advantage yet I'm asking for EvE 2 and to be able to start at day 1 again. I'd give up my 5 year old char in a second for a fresh EvE universe on a new shard.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.27 13:03:00 -
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Infinity Ziona, your thread title is completely misleading ... 
Let My People Go |
mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.12.27 14:25:00 -
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Nah.
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Miz Cenuij
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Posted - 2008.12.27 16:29:00 -
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Thread title is misleading, why post a blatant lie?
Sharded server? No thanks. I have many friends in eve spread across the whole rl world and across the whole eve universe? Why would I want to compromise that?
Don't be jelous because some of us older players have the wealth you desire. Get off your bone idle arse and go earn it for yourself.
Better yet, go play WOW you pathetic whining scum, it has everything you want.
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Ren Surkova
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.27 18:12:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Some were asking why you would want an EvE 2? Play Doom 1 next time you wanna play a FPS and you'll see why
/troll feeds troll
doom 1 will never be surpassed by any other fps (doom 2 included) you gay little baby (also doom 3 lol)
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Draeca
Tharri and Co.
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Posted - 2008.12.27 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Draeca on 27/12/2008 19:43:54
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: Malcanis
People who ask for server resets, new servers, etc, don't really have a problem with old players having an advantage. They just want to be the ones with that advantage.
I'm an old player and I have the advantage yet I'm asking for EvE 2 and to be able to start at day 1 again. I'd give up my 5 year old char in a second for a fresh EvE universe on a new shard.
I'm relatively new, I'm low on ISK, I'm in my own one man corp, my sec status is closer to -10 than -5 yet I'd like to return to empire for a small holiday to make iskies and take a break from the stress of living in lowsec but I'm too lazy to actually grind more than few 0.0 rats each day.
Guess what? I'm completely against a reset.
This is my char, representing me in this virtual world, and I have put effort on developing myself and I don't want it all to go waste even if it'd fix all the mistakes I've done in the past and it'd mean a fresh start from the same line with everyone else.
And having one huge constantly evolving universe instead of multiple shards is what makes this game so great. This way we don't have to reroll on different shards because community/people/corps/economy etc. sucks or that shard is just plain horrible for some other reason.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.12.27 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: Malcanis
People who ask for server resets, new servers, etc, don't really have a problem with old players having an advantage. They just want to be the ones with that advantage.
I'm an old player and I have the advantage yet I'm asking for EvE 2 and to be able to start at day 1 again. I'd give up my 5 year old char in a second for a fresh EvE universe on a new shard.
Log in to Serenity then, and get a sneak preview of how it would turn out.
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