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Infinity Ziona
Extortive
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Posted - 2008.12.28 02:59:00 -
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This post is about a completely new version of EvE Online. It is not about sharding Eve Online. That is not being suggested.
I'm happy for you all to continue playing fleet slideshow's and clapping each other on the back when you 'win' cause the other side lagged out first. Enjoy posting your lagmails.
I however would like a new updated installation of EVE that has learned from the mistakes of EvE 1.
Something that:
Doesnt have stargate chokes or stations as the only combat areas.
Doesnt have session changes.
Doesnt have jump queues.
Doesnt have POS the way they're implemented.
Doesnt have super lagging blob wars.
Doesnt have poor NPC AI.
Doesnt have to rely on ancient bits of tightly coupled code.
Doesnt have grids.
Doesnt have flat rectangular bits of space called solar systems.
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its a big list
Does have brand new content
Does have a brand new story line (it could be set in the past or future)
Does utilize new hardware and software solutions
Doesnt have to be sharded however the only difference between sharding and not sharding is with not sharding your taking away choices that players should be making.
One point to make before somebody comes on and says 'the players don't want that choice they want a single shard'. If this is true then adding another shard wont make your game-play less enjoyable cause no-one will use it right?. I suspect the real fear is your fear of not being there to be l33t and cool in front of them in your titan or carrier or whatever else it is you want to show off. People on another shard will have 0 effect on your gameplay. |
Ren Surkova
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.28 03:03:00 -
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naw son my problem is that boring list of crap I didn't really read and don't intend to was written by someone who didn't like doom 1. shut up and **** off you longwinded balllicker |
Infinity Ziona
Extortive
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Posted - 2008.12.28 03:57:00 -
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Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 28/12/2008 03:57:07
 Originally by: Ren Surkova
naw son my problem is that boring list of crap I didn't really read and don't intend to was written by someone who didn't like doom 1. shut up and **** off you longwinded balllicker
Reported both your posts for slurs offensive language. Keep it up child I would love to help you get a ban.
Ganking Buddhist Nun |
Ren Surkova
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.28 04:00:00 -
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This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards,
The EVE Online Moderation team |
Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.28 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 28/12/2008 03:57:07
Originally by: Ren Surkova
naw son my problem is that boring list of crap I didn't really read and don't intend to was written by someone who didn't like doom 1. shut up and **** off you longwinded balllicker
Reported both your posts for slurs offensive language. Keep it up child I would love to help you get a ban.
And I've reported your grossly misleading thread title.  |
Lumy
Minmatar
eXceed Inc.
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.28 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
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its a big list
Does have brand new content
Does have a brand new story line (it could be set in the past or future)
Does utilize new hardware and software solutions
Doesnt have to be sharded however the only difference between sharding and not sharding is with not sharding your taking away choices that players should be making.
And all off that will CCP just suck out of their finger. Or magical fairy brings them on silver plate.
So, while you'll wait for your dream MMO for next couple decades, I'll play happily EVE. And maybe... CCP will rework some components then and there. Trinity, StacklessIO, Eve64 seemed to be good start. AFAIK whole cluster is undergoing massive hardware upgrade. Let's see, what future brings.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.28 18:37:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
One final note - Fear of Shards is rampant. You don't play EVE with more then a few hundred people at a time simply because the current architecture EVEN WITH the new technology patches they tried to plug into this clunky system just CAN NOT COPE with it.
CCP hasnt pulled off a single sharded system where 40k players can play against each other they can barely cope with a few hundred without special servers being utilised and even then its a slideshow.
Current TQ Population as I just logged in : 39,155
Funny, I logged in, I'm playing and the game works fine. You're completely wrong.
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
The EVE system is a cluster of servers just like WOW or EQ or whatever the only real difference is they dynamically transfer you from one shard to another with a sometimes significant wait.
You obviously have no idea what a shard is in terms of the construction of an MMO.
Let me explain, a shard is not a server. A shard is a clone of an environment, which produces more than one identical game world. These game world are known as shards as they are not persistant with eachother, and cause and effect in one has no bearing on the gameplay in another.
They are typically used along with instancing when a game environment is not scalable to the number of players that are connected to the game an playing. For instance, there are hundreds of copies of Azeroth, all with their own names, which for scalability are hosted on different servers but operate on the same timeline side by side because of the sheer number of people playing World of Warcraft.
A "shard" has absolutely nothing to do with how the server's hardware is configured. Tranquility is made up of HUNDREDS of blades, that all work together performing different tasks such as hosting the market database and processing in space or in station information. While you're sat in a station buying Mining Laser II's, you may be connected to multiple servers during your transaction, all working together and communicating to host ONE environment.
A shard is an environment, or a clone thereof. A shard is not a "server", although many mainstream MMO players seem to think so due to the fact that unlike Eve many MMO developers choose to shard their games and host each one on a different server.
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
new shard.
Finally, in relation to this : lol, no.. Go away.
Eve is the only single shard persistant MMO on the market where everyone plays together. It has a dedicated fanbase and following because of this, and CCP have stated outright that they never want to shard the game on a multitude of occasions.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2008.12.28 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Eve is the only single shard persistant MMO on the market where everyone plays together. It has a dedicated fanbase and following because of this, and CCP have stated outright that they never want to shard the game on a multitude of occasions.
There would be absolutely no need to shard EVE (except maybe to avoid gameplay issues like blobbing) if they would manage to implement dynamic load balancing, i.e. moving solar systems to less busy nodes when needed (as in any time, not just at DT).
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.28 22:30:00 -
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skip EVE 2, go straight to EVE 3
uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
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Sir Eldriech
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Posted - 2008.12.29 04:39:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Sir Eldriech on 29/12/2008 04:39:06
Why is everyone calling it EvE?
It's EVE...
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2008.12.29 06:25:00 -
[101]
I want to slap the OP so hard right now. Seriously.
- We are playing EVE2 & EVE3 & EVE4 right now, they're called major expansions.
- Ripe for a new game my ass. EVE might not be the most streamlined or bug-free experience out there, but CCP's whole angle on the MMO industry is create a solid product, and continually polish it. You think there are problems now, I'm sure it would be many times worse on a new version of EVE, just look at the early years of the game.
- While I'm sure as a new player it must be tough to get into EVE these days, what with the feeling that one has started way too late to be of any importance, and that there's no way to grind away up the ladder quickly. However, the bright side is that while EVE might be the better part of a decade in age, its playerbase is generally young, think the last playerbase statistics put players under a year or two at around 80% of the population. While there are some old grizzled vets out there, they're continually dying off, so relax.
- The grass is always greener on the other side.
To wrap things up in time-honored forum tradition, if you don't like it, there's the door  .
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.12.29 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Doesnt have stargate chokes or stations as the only combat areas.
Doesnt have session changes.
Doesnt have super lagging blob wars.
Well. Those player controlled, so take those off.
It's the players that initiate combat on stargates, not the devs intending it. Super blob warfare? Again, player mind-set that More = Better.
Session changes? Haha you'll always have that. Dream on.
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Rubra
J. S. Bach In memoriam
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Posted - 2008.12.29 17:35:00 -
[103]
Posting in Infinity thread version 3758920940.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.29 18:57:00 -
[104]
I'd rather play an actual game like Eve than a piece of vapourware like Infinity.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Constantinee
Caldari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.12.30 05:45:00 -
[105]
there wot be an EvE 2 because no ones going to waste all that time training skills again...CCP WILL JUST KEEP BEATING THIS GAME WITH AN UGLY STICK FOR ANOTHER COUPLE YEARS.
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Infinity Ziona
Extortive
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Posted - 2008.12.30 07:04:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Doesnt have stargate chokes or stations as the only combat areas.
Doesnt have session changes.
Doesnt have super lagging blob wars.
Well. Those player controlled, so take those off.
It's the players that initiate combat on stargates, not the devs intending it. Super blob warfare? Again, player mind-set that More = Better.
Session changes? Haha you'll always have that. Dream on.
1. Consequence of poor game design. Gates and Stations are the only real areas that can be camped with any success.
2. See above.
3. Consequence of poor game design. More IS better.
As for session changes - no they are not mandatory to have in a game. As more powerful software, hardware and storage devices come out they'll be eroded and then vanish.
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Ranik Sandaris
Caldari
The Three Headed Dragon
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Posted - 2008.12.30 13:58:00 -
[107]
Quick question.
What are shards?
Zoom Zoom |
Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
White Core
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Posted - 2008.12.30 15:29:00 -
[108]
well tbh i rather play with ugly graphics but with smooth fitghting then have an eve 2 with nice graphics and bad performance..
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hey w8 thats how it is now .. :)
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Cash Tango
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
1. Consequence of poor game design. Gates and Stations are the only real areas that can be camped with any success.
Warp Bubbles that can stop you cold mid-warp and can be planted on the path between gates = full of win.
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Infinity Ziona
Extortive
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Posted - 2008.12.31 02:42:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Cash Tango
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
1. Consequence of poor game design. Gates and Stations are the only real areas that can be camped with any success.
Warp Bubbles that can stop you cold mid-warp and can be planted on the path between gates = full of win.
yeah it would be. its been suggested since the issue of gate camping first came up but never been looked at.
If you ever played EQ on a PvP server you would zone into a zone (equiv jump into an system) and then run or ride to find a target. PvP could happen in 100% of the zone. In EvE its a fraction of a percent. Its like EQ with only zone in camping.
Ganking Buddhist Nun |
The Anointed
Caldari
All The Good Names Are Taken
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Posted - 2008.12.31 12:46:00 -
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Eve is fine as it is.
The only thign I have an opinion on is whether or not eve is overcrowded.
I personally prefer how it was way way back when the users:systems ratio was much much lower than it is now.
For me it created a feeling of actual distance and size, whereas now every gate/station/object you go to seems to be populated.
I dont want a single player game before some idiot suggests it, but I would be interested to know if CCP planned on the current number of systems supporting the users they now have?
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Kirra Liu
Gemini Industries Inc
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.31 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
A brand new sharded game
Some things crossed my mind when I read that, but sadly I feel any one of them may get me banned if I posted them here.
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