To that question, it bothers me they want to change game mechanics to make themselves safer to avoid any unwanted pvp, thus ruining the game I love.

maybe if you try to engage pvp-minded people this will not bother you anymore? We understand this is not an easy to fight when you can loose.... but you should try

I am only going to say this one more time.

This thread is about...This thread is NOT about...

Even on the forums, you think you can dictate the behavior of others. That speaks volumes. Also, I like how that immediately followed my post that stated the EVERYTHING in Eve is PVP, and you simply dismissed it with "but I don't want to talk about that."

If you sell stuff on the market, you participate in PVP. Anyone who wants to by anything is FORCED to do the same. How DARE you push your gameplay on us.

Is it absolutely impossible to contemplate the idea that not every high-sec killrer of a miner might have the same motives for doing so?

Apparently I should clarify.

I am NOT advocating NOR suggesting that all PvP should be removed from the game. PvP is a very important part of every MMO game ever introduced.

What I am addressing in my OP is the sort of 'forced pvp' that occurs against players who have no ability to defend themselves. Please understand that I am not speaking of any specific incident or tactic. This is not about suicide ganking, can flipping, highsec war decs, or anything of the sort. it is about players who spend their time in game solely trying to upset and harass other players.

What am trying to ascertain is the mentality behind spending hours upon hours in game not trying to make progress for oneself, but instead trying to impede the progress of others.

I've been around long enough to know that the majority of people who engage in non-consensual PvP do it for "the lolz" or "tears", but what does this really mean? I would love to have someone take my question seriously and provide a serious answer, rather than hiding behind whatever meme they deem appropriate.


I actually have massive amounts of respect for those who participate in PvP outside empire space. Highsec bullies, not so much.

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The alt corp used was less than half their size, with characters as young as 5 days. No kills to the corps name. The target was offered help by two alliances but instead just disbanded...

The problem is you don't want to do anything else and expect someone else to change the rules to help you.

OP didn't, actually. He just asked why it bothers some people he does not want to do PvP.

But I guess part of the answer is "because some people who prefer not to spend a lot of time demanding that rules be changed to support their stance, so you are easily mistaken for someone like that".

Cry more stupid pirate... I love pirate tears.

If you want to make stupid comments about how everything is PvP, make your own thread.

Sarcasm isn't your strong point, is it?

Mmmm...no.

If you want to avoid one kind of PVP, then we should all be able to avoid all kinds of PVP. Therefore we need:

-fixed market prices
-instanced missions, incursions, and exploration
-PVP dueling in deadspace pockets
-infinite ore asteroids so that miners can't cut each other's cycles
-total protection from scamming
-the inability to engage in aggressive acts in highsec

If that's the game you want, I think you came to the wrong place. If it's not the game you want, if you like Eve for all the competition and opportunities it provides, then you have to accept all varieties of PVP. Even those you don't like.

Erased my internet history, wiped my hard-drive, burned my tower, smashed the monitor, scattered the remains into the street, called the police, called MI5, called the FBI, called Samaritans, swallowed a bunch of pills then wrote this whilst choking to death on my own vomit on my phone.

I live in lo sec and get into fights like that all the time, don't worry.

You still haven't answered my question. Why do you insist on PVPING people who aren't interested in, or cannot, fight back?

The truth of the matter is that you cannot FORCE someone to PvP.

I personally don't PvP. I absolutely detest PvP, and have avoided it in every game I've ever played. If my alliance gets a war dec, I simply stay in station and spend my time on EvE playing the market. If the war dec lasts too long, I will simply stop playing, logging on only to update skill queues.

I don't shoot ninjas who invade my mission space. Instead, I abandon all wrecks immediately. If there is a mission completion item, I will dock up and complete the mission later. Losing the time bonus doesn't bother me at all versus accidentally gaining agro from the invader. I don't want to fight you, and I will do everything in my power to make that abundantly clear.

I do not venture into lowsec space. I know that I am a huge target and that there are players all over that area of space looking to take me down at their first opportunity


My question is

Why does this bother some of you

I enjoy the PvE aspect of the game, I really do. How does this affect the PvP players in any way? Are you trying to lower the subscriber base of EvE by driving out the people who don't see things the same way you do? I know that I am not alone in my playstyle, in fact most of my alliance members are mission runners or industrialists.

Can the blood hungry PvPers not see that blowing away industrialists is equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot? Who makes your ships that you so happily blow into space dust? Who mines the minerals? Who risks their freighter every time they jump into Jita?

Carebears do

So, does it really make sense to push them out of the game in hopes that spaceships will start growing on trees

Extra credit bonus question

Are there not enough people actively looking for PvP that instead PvP players must turn to harassing PvE players?

The only reason I can see for a ganker to actually go out ganking and call it PVP, is that they are so afraid of losing a fight that they are to scared to actually go into NULL or W-space where the real PVPers are.

Your weakness reminds me of a baby lamb who is destined to become veal...shivering in a dark corner of a filthy barn, cut off from all light and nourishment. It's ok though. Soon you will become a delicacy. I, for one, cannot wait to sink my teeth in you.

What I am addressing in my OP is the sort of 'forced pvp' that occurs against players who have no ability to defend themselves.

Gankers don't call it pvp. They call it ganking, and it's usually for profit or tears. There is a difference and the only people to confuse the term and use of it are carebears who don't know any better.

The truth of the matter is that you cannot FORCE someone to PvP.

I personally don't PvP. I absolutely detest PvP, and have avoided it in every game I've ever played. If my alliance gets a war dec, I simply stay in station and spend my time on EvE playing the market. If the war dec lasts too long, I will simply stop playing, logging on only to update skill queues.

I don't shoot ninjas who invade my mission space. Instead, I abandon all wrecks immediately. If there is a mission completion item, I will dock up and complete the mission later. Losing the time bonus doesn't bother me at all versus accidentally gaining agro from the invader. I don't want to fight you, and I will do everything in my power to make that abundantly clear.

I do not venture into lowsec space. I know that I am a huge target and that there are players all over that area of space looking to take me down at their first opportunity.

My question is: Why does this bother some of you?

Then maybe you should be playing a game that only has consensual PvP. Maybe you and the rest of your little carebear circle jerk **** buddies should play a game that fits what you want in a game instead of repeatedly joining games that are the opposite of what you want and crying like a ***** until the game is ruined for the players who actually had the common sense to play a game they liked in the first place. Your kind won. 99% of the MMO market is full of games designed for people just like you. Go play them instead of whining until the developers ruin one of the only games left designed for people like me.