The truth of the matter is that you cannot FORCE someone to PvP.

I personally don't PvP. I absolutely detest PvP, and have avoided it in every game I've ever played. If my alliance gets a war dec, I simply stay in station and spend my time on EvE playing the market. If the war dec lasts too long, I will simply stop playing, logging on only to update skill queues.

I don't shoot ninjas who invade my mission space. Instead, I abandon all wrecks immediately. If there is a mission completion item, I will dock up and complete the mission later. Losing the time bonus doesn't bother me at all versus accidentally gaining agro from the invader. I don't want to fight you, and I will do everything in my power to make that abundantly clear.

I do not venture into lowsec space. I know that I am a huge target and that there are players all over that area of space looking to take me down at their first opportunity.


My question is:

Why does this bother some of you?

I enjoy the PvE aspect of the game, I really do. How does this affect the PvP players in any way? Are you trying to lower the subscriber base of EvE by driving out the people who don't see things the same way you do? I know that I am not alone in my playstyle, in fact most of my alliance members are mission runners or industrialists.

Can the blood hungry PvPers not see that blowing away industrialists is equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot? Who makes your ships that you so happily blow into space dust? Who mines the minerals? Who risks their freighter every time they jump into Jita?

Carebears do.

So, does it really make sense to push them out of the game in hopes that spaceships will start growing on trees?

Half the playerbase is only capable of thinking from their perspective and no one else. Don't let it bother you. Everyone bears in this game in one form or another.

Though I do frown on any corp pilot that will hide in station during a wardec and choose to not help their fellow corpmates. That makes you a selfish team mate in my eyes. With respect to running a hisec corp, I always say that the true character of a pilot comes out when a wardec occurs. Some will go off and selfishly do their own thing while others will proudly defend their home until the last Ibis goes down in a flame of glory.

It's really not about helping corpmates. We cannot win a war with PvP combat, none in my alliance are trained or prepared to fight people who PvP on a daily basis. Instead, we win the war by wasting their time so much that they go away. As I mentioned in the OP, you cannot force someone into PvP.

Instead of commiserating, you should learn how to do it.

Everyone is a noob once in every area. You have to try to learn.

Explain to me why PVE people are so slow to uptake the fact that they can learn to pvp too?

For the exact same reason that PVP people are so slow to uptake the fact that some players DO NOT WANT TO PVP. I have over 70 million skillpoints, none of which are PvP related. Hell, I can't even fit a warp scrambler to my ship. My active avoidance of all things PvP is due to the fact that I do not enjoy it in the slightest.

No, I don't have to try and learn PvP if I do not want to. I will continue to run missions and do other carebear activities for many more years, because I love this game.

Everyone is a noob once in every area. You have to try to learn.

Explain to me why PVE people are so slow to uptake the fact that they can learn to pvp too?

I think you missed the point about him saying that he has no interest in it.

The general question he's asking is "why does it bother the PVP players if someone doesn't want to PVP?"

I don't care if you want to PVP! This is EVE, and you signed up for a game which is one big giant open pvp arena.

Then why does CONCORD shoot you when you agress me in highsec?

To that question, it bothers me they want to change game mechanics to make themselves safer to avoid any unwanted pvp, thus ruining the game I love.

You still haven't answered my question. Why do you insist on PVPING people who aren't interested in, or cannot, fight back?

Because people like you cried on the forums back in 2003 enough to make CCP introduce concord. Besides, I can still gank you or get you to aggress me in lots of ways.

You still haven't answered my question. Why do you insist on PVPING people who aren't interested in, or cannot, fight back?

Because it's funny.

That's unfortunate. Honestly, your first answer was much better. "Changing game mechanics". This, "Because it's funny" is one of the worst reasons in any game whatsoever to take delight in ruining another person's game experience.

"For the thrill"
"For the kill mail"
"For the loot"
etc...
Those are good reasons.

Because you want to **** on someone isn't.

You still haven't answered my question. Why do you insist on PVPING people who aren't interested in, or cannot, fight back?

You say you have no interest in pvp yet you admit you take part in the market. That is a form of pvp just not shooting ships or seeing they guy you are fighting . The only way to not pvp in this game is to run missions. If you do any thing else you are compeating with other players. What you mean to say is why to people indigo on pvp against you on there terms and not yours.

Look a wartarget o/

And yes, you can't do any true PVE in this game. You are always competing with someone.

Btw thanks for the tower.

The truth of the matter is that you cannot FORCE someone to PvP.

I personally don't PvP. I absolutely detest PvP, and have avoided it in every game I've ever played. If my alliance gets a war dec, I simply stay in station and spend my time on EvE playing the market. If the war dec lasts too long, I will simply stop playing, logging on only to update skill queues.

I don't shoot ninjas who invade my mission space. Instead, I abandon all wrecks immediately. If there is a mission completion item, I will dock up and complete the mission later. Losing the time bonus doesn't bother me at all versus accidentally gaining agro from the invader. I don't want to fight you, and I will do everything in my power to make that abundantly clear.

I do not venture into lowsec space. I know that I am a huge target and that there are players all over that area of space looking to take me down at their first opportunity.


My question is:

Why does this bother some of you?

I enjoy the PvE aspect of the game, I really do. How does this affect the PvP players in any way? Are you trying to lower the subscriber base of EvE by driving out the people who don't see things the same way you do? I know that I am not alone in my playstyle, in fact most of my alliance members are mission runners or industrialists.

Can the blood hungry PvPers not see that blowing away industrialists is equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot? Who makes your ships that you so happily blow into space dust? Who mines the minerals? Who risks their freighter every time they jump into Jita?

Carebears do.

So, does it really make sense to push them out of the game in hopes that spaceships will start growing on trees?

Extra credit bonus question:

Are there not enough people actively looking for PvP that instead PvP players must turn to harassing PvE players?

I would hazard a guess that for players who are actually good at PvP, no attention is paid by them to the PvE players.

The problem lies in those who cannot hold their own in PvP either through lack of skill training, or simply pilot skill. They cannot seek out a fight with someone who wishes to fight, so instead they come to force their will on the unwilling.

Those who say bear tears are the best tears are wrong. Pirate tears are far sweeter. Plus, you can find them in any thread about CCP changing highsec mechanics in favor of the PvE player! No pesky scanning or trickery required.

I would hazard a guess that for players who are actually good at PvP, no attention is paid by them to the PvE players.

The problem lies in those who cannot hold their own in PvP either through lack of skill training, or simply pilot skill. They cannot seek out a fight with someone who wishes to fight, so instead they come to force their will on the unwilling.

Those who say bear tears are the best tears are wrong. Pirate tears are far sweeter. Plus, you can find them in any thread about CCP changing highsec mechanics in favor of the PvE player! No pesky scanning or trickery required.