Originally by: Waxau

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LOUD NOISES

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Originally by: Meridius Dex

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The only thing that's changed in the past 14 months directly to Amarr were the EM armor resists - which had been stupidly imbalanced to begin with. No one gave us a laser cap usage reduction (Amarr is still stupidly challenging to new players); we still have essentially one ship bonus that's just there so we can USE our own racial weapons.

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Originally by: Arthur Frayn

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How much to ruin all your holes, luv?

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Originally by: Meridius Dex

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It's hilarious to see these little Simple Sams scream about Amarr being OP.

When I first started playing EVE in Oct 2007 Amarr were such the clown race that NONE of their ships were the best in almost any class (that's right kids, even the BS). If you flew Amarr, people would openly laugh at you on the forums. I spent long, endless months training up skills (in several categories), unable to even compete marginally in PvP until I'd reached at least 8 million SPs.

Thus Amarr appear to have been buffed when in reality we have - after years of toiling in misery - merely become viable.

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Originally by: Cohkka

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lol, for someone who just started out in 2007 you're leaning far out of the window. After years of toiling in misery? How are you supposed to know?

Amarr never have been the utter crap boats, maybe back in 2003/4 when interceptors weren't even around, yeah they used to fit 1400mm back then. After the turret reballance and after making armor tanking superior they became decent and one of the best fleetships to have. For almost a year everyone was flying Gankageddons, and in late 2006 they were still popular in fleets especially as sniper. All they needed were 1-2 good t1 Cruisers and Frigs, wich suck untill today.

Guess the plating/speedfittings did their job and made Amarr quite crippled. At least it was about the time when the first buffer fittings came up the most epic Amarr whinethread grew.

Now things seem to be better for Amarr. Most engagements still start at medium ranges but there is no speed to get you fast close or away. And Pulse lasers just track way too good to be beaten my ACs or Blasters.

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Originally by: Doctor Mabuse

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There are two types player flying Amarr ships, those currently training for the FOTM, and all the older, pre-khanid change ones, who have projectile weapons trained up to the max because it used to be the only way of making an Amarr ship even semi-viable, and then people still laughed at you...

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Originally by: Fon Revedhort

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Gankageddons were around in late 2006? You've got to be kidding. I'm playing since Sep '05 and there were no Gankageddons already at that point or at least they got nerfed by RMR, which is still hardly 'late 2006'. So please stop pulling stuff out of the thin air.

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Originally by: Niko Takahashi

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Originally by: The Djego

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Originally by: Elhina Novae

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Lasers are good as they are. It's not that lasers are overpowered, its the Projectile/Hybrid being underpowered.

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This, to the point.

Blasters lack bite in Web Range with the 60% Web now(actualy also the lack a bit in the DPS apartment to) while AKs should finaly got her T1/Faction Amnos incresed to the point they are on paar with other Amnos(plus Hail boosted in Optima Range and reduced in Falloff and without the Cap Penalty, facing a Hail loaded Mini Ship is painfull in closerange slugfest but it is still to limited).

Deimos simply lacks gank in the current EvE setting, thats all in my opinion. It it¦s not fancy in the range or flexiblity departmant, if it realy had the power to push true a plated BC solo, it would go a long way in giving it a role.

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This

Boost tracking and range on both blasters and Autocannons

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Originally by: Verx Interis

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I also have an "infactuation" with Amarr.

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Originally by: Waxau

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LOUD NOISES

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Originally by: Derek Sigres

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I find this nerf plea to be especially hilarious - suddenly, lasers have become unstoppably powerful and it's a plague that is wreaking havoc on Eve as we know it.

When I started playing, there were exactly TWO flavors of combat - point blank active tanking nonsense where gallente blasterboats ruled the day, and sniper combat in fleets where once again gallente ships ruled the field (there was no Rokh, and the Amrmageddon/apoc had immense trouble reaching fleet ranges). For nearly two years I listened to amarr players ****, whine and moan about how much of a shaft they had - dealing damage that was well tanked by most ships, having a preference for medium range and so forth. Then, there were but a handful of minor buffs to lasers (em armor resist was reduced, pulse tracking was increased, the armageddon was made useful and so forth) and suddenly lasers have become ungodly powerful.

But, if you really want to know the truth, lasers really aren't substantially more powerful than they ever have been - the only significant thing that has changed is our understanding of the game and the overall preference for type of combat. Now that solo PVP isn't terribly common, the weakness of cap usage is more or less a thing of the past. Now that gang sizes are larger, point blank 1v1 combat seems almost stupid. Really, all that happened is how we play the game has shifted to favor middle ranged combat - something amarr have always been brutally powerful at and yet it is a technique that was once considered to be the poorest of compromises. There was a time when people would simply shout down such assertions of amarr laser ownage by pointing out that blaster boats deal substantially more damage up close and therefore THEY are superior, and rail platforms have far more range and therfore would pick amarr ships apart.

It's amazing how shifts in the logic of the community result in massive shift's in the status quo. Lasers didn't get better - players just got smarter; clearly we can't have that though, and lasers must be nerfed.

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Originally by: Waxau

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LOUD NOISES

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The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.

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Originally by: 1Winged Angel

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this topic is pointless as the guy doesn't know what hes talking about ill give a example of how wrong he is,

about a week ago i was on a pvp op with 2 people from my alliance our ships were Myrmidon battlecruiser, Rupture cruiser and a Merlin frigate we were ambushed in our safe spot by the supposed unkillable Zealot lol we managed to kill this zealot which had mostly t2 equip especially t2 heavy pulse lasers which are apparently overpowered :) and we didnt lose 1 ship in this fight.

and to make my point more he was a 2006 player and we were relatively new to the game so all you need to do to kill one is to know how to pvp which you obviously dont :) and here's the link for the kill to prove this simple fact www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=1Winged+Angel&id=5450766&page=1&filter=kills#mail

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Originally by: Arthur Frayn

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How much to ruin all your holes, luv?

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Originally by: Grek Forto

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Stop whining!

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Originally by: Doctor Mabuse

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There are two types player flying Amarr ships, those currently training for the FOTM, and all the older, pre-khanid change ones, who have projectile weapons trained up to the max because it used to be the only way of making an Amarr ship even semi-viable, and then people still laughed at you...

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Originally by: Artemis Rose

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Its not like we are flying 7 heat sink Armageddons melting everybody, is it?

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Originally by: Malcanis

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MWD changes & such have changed the equation. but yeah,basically this. What Merin Ryskin calls "The Metagame" has shifted". The shift favours Amarr.... for now.

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