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Ix Forres
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2008.12.29 02:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ix Forres on 29/12/2008 02:28:17 I've been working for quite some time on a project which is still currently locked within my alliance, which myself and the other developers are hoping to fork some elements of to an open-source public release. Notably, the killboard.
This is a ground-up brand-new killboard written in Ruby/Rails, and as such we're pretty flexible about where we go with this.
At present it's pretty basic on the frontend. We've been focusing on making the bits under the hood as powerful and resilient as possible, as well as easy to maintain and extend.
So, this is where you lot come in. I'd like everyone who uses, hosts or otherwise is involved with killboards to spend 48.6 seconds filling out this little questionnaire.
http://www.talkunafraid.co.uk/2008/12/killboard-questionnaire/
Fill it out, submit it, and we'll have a much better idea of what to do with our time than any amount of fumbling around trying to guess what users want could produce. And, of course, send it on to friends, tweet about it, blog it, siglink it, whatever. More responses the merrier, and it'll hopefully result in a much better product for everyone at the end of the process.
Happy holidays and a happy new year to you all. -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense | RLS-EVE | EVE Metrics (NEW) |
CHAOS100
Black Plague. Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2008.12.29 03:50:00 -
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How are we supposed to suggest features when you just made them all up to choose. Some stats similar to the standard eve-dev board. - Fleet fight analysis/report (automatic detection) - Visualized fitting picture of killmails
I would prefer things like like fast loading, advanced caching, high performance, good efficiency and able to handle things like big fleet fights and large amount of users accessing it during that time without maxing out a server's resources. --------------
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Ninjas N Pirates
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Posted - 2008.12.29 03:50:00 -
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An open bar
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Ix Forres
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2008.12.29 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Ix Forres on 29/12/2008 13:44:30
Originally by: CHAOS100 How are we supposed to suggest features when you just made them all up to choose. Some stats similar to the standard eve-dev board. - Fleet fight analysis/report (automatic detection) - Visualized fitting picture of killmails
I would prefer things like like fast loading, advanced caching, high performance, good efficiency and able to handle things like big fleet fights and large amount of users accessing it during that time without maxing out a server's resources.
The "Other Features" box is a write-your-own-here bit.
The options to choose from are based on feedback we've had so far so we can see if there's general appeal for those and so we can prioritise.
The performance of this KB is fine- it can cache using memcached or an in-memory store, though it hardly needs to. Extensive use of asynchronous workers for doing the heavy lifting means that webservers should never get bogged down.
When CCP get WiS done I'll hold an open bar, sure -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense | RLS-EVE | EVE Metrics (NEW) |
Zaiyo Modi
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Posted - 2008.12.30 16:17:00 -
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Nice to hear that somebody are developing a killboard.
I answered the poll thingy and added a wish for having a customizable nav bar, for easily adding one or more links leading the user e.g back to the corp forum from the killboard.
Would it be hard to have a corp-killboard synchronize and somehow fetch killmails off an alliance- killboard? Or vice verca.
I am not sure what people are doing, but I guess that today they would need to post a killmail on their alliance killbard and then also on their corp killboard.
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.30 18:05:00 -
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Links to an in-game GTA4 style playback system. á ----------------------------------------- "Kill a man one is a murderer; kill a million, a conqueror; kill them all, a God." -- Jean Rostand |
ArmyOfMe
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.30 18:46:00 -
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one were you can connect alts to your main, so that it all comes under one chars main stats in the end
Originally by: deadmaus
Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything |
Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:26:00 -
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A depiction of one's knob, that grows as one's e-peen status increases. The Ghost-training vote thread |
charming wanderer
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:45:00 -
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puppies
and cake, yea... cake mmmmmmmmmm.
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2008.12.30 22:16:00 -
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Making sure the killboard doesn't go wrong approaching the new year. Seems to be a problem with a few killboards at the moment.
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Seideberg
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.30 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe one were you can connect alts to your main, so that it all comes under one chars main stats in the end
This.
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.12.30 22:32:00 -
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1. Voice recording of the exact moment the victim's ship explodes. 2. A LOL-meter to rate the hilarity of CNR fits. 3. An 'Excuses' drop-down menu to make commenting on your own losses fast enough to beat your corpmates in posting how you managed to lose your ship THIS time. 4. A free Nightmare, fully faction fitted.
That's what I WANT, although I'd probably settle for something stable, configurable and easy to read. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |
Kuar Z'thain
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.30 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Seideberg
Originally by: ArmyOfMe one were you can connect alts to your main, so that it all comes under one chars main stats in the end
This.
What they said.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.30 23:40:00 -
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I would just love to not have anything in flash
I liked the way griefwatch was, I liked the old text/image format way better, I really don't like new flash fitting wheel, and the destroyed/survived tabs, the scrolling feels so clumsy and whatnot. that and when looking at kills firefox will use more cpu than the minimized eve clients I have running
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.30 23:50:00 -
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I'd love to have a feature for that battle summaries: count the dps dealt by the pilots involved and sort the by the total dps they dealt during the battle. On killmails the one with the most dps is on top, would be awsome to have this feature for a battle, to see the true damagedealers.
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Assassin 1O1
The Darwin Foundation
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Posted - 2009.01.02 00:12:00 -
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A very short wishlist :-)
Take the IRON KB's feature set, complete with the ranking and character integration features, add the NC KB fleetbattles feature element, provide handlers for authentication in a modular fashion for the most popular forums available, add that lovely onling fitting database tool which is floating around in this forum section somewhere (think Jnx made that?), strip each feature into a module/component, add an admin section where each component can be activated/deactivated.
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Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.01.02 00:54:00 -
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Have you got a sample board for us to see? Bookmarked for future note though, I'm glad there's finally more of a choice than eve-dev and griefwatch.
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Qordel
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.02 01:01:00 -
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MORE COW-BELL. -- What's your EVE New Year's Resolution for 2009? |
Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.01.02 02:06:00 -
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More stastistics, like how many kills I've made using a specific ship. Other stuff like 'total destroyed from that corp/alliance up to now'. I know most stuff is available if you search deep enough but I'd like to have that info readily available when checking a km, not having to click away from it, then search for 3 mintues to get an answer.
So more correlations, more statistics.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2009.01.02 02:18:00 -
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The one thing I would like to see in a killboard is a formula to measure efficiency in a more truthful manner. For example, any mediocre corporation in a large alliance will have a 80% efficiency simply because of the ratio in where they fly with other corporation within said alliance. Their losses will be relative to the collective kills of the alliance, not to only the kills specifically related to the corporation.
The scoring-method sort of remedies this by keeping points for kills, where solo/small gang-activity gets more points on the killboard.
Essentially the killboard should better measure the skill of the pilots within a corporation. Statistics on how often their pilots fly in small gangs, compared to large fleets (how many of their kills are 30 vs 2 ganks?) etc. - I suppose this will make a large portion of corporations out there to never use your killboard simply because they would suddenly appear to be less effective, and the killboard would then become less effective as a PR-machine.
I also would like better ways to portray accurate data in fights. Possibly make it so that killmails cannot be manually posted at all. The only way to post kills is through API and through networking with other killboards. Manual posting is to EVE-killboards as WIKI's are to knowledge. Yes, sometimes it's quite accurate - other times it's a limited one-sided perspective.
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McFly
C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.02 02:38:00 -
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I agree with tobias in that I would love to see killboards that depict how a pilot fights. IE solo fighting showing how a pilot does on his own outnumbered, or 1v1, Maybe even going in so far as to include information about each individual fight. Although I know that that is difficult to program all the possibilities in eve. But I think people would genuinely like to see information such as, how a fight went (based on timestamps of the mails) what new attackers came into the fight, such as gang A was kicking the crap out of gang B until recon C and joined the fight on gang B's side. Or something to that effect.
That would be the most interesting feature, where as the current eve dev board has come a long way, fleet fight information is hard to desseminate how a fight went, what the major factors involved were. Right now we see things like fleet fight from 02:11 - 23:10 where these are obviously many seperate engagements in the same system with or without the same pilots being involved.
But a detailed fleet fight / engagement of any kind display should someone figure out a way to display the information in an understandable manner as well as a programming design that would disseminate and interpret the killmails to put the story together.
That would be ridiculously awesome but probably and all the more most likely not possible considering all the various factors of eve itself and the raw killmail data not providing a lot to work with.
--McFly--
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.02 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Seideberg
Originally by: ArmyOfMe one were you can connect alts to your main, so that it all comes under one chars main stats in the end
This.
I just got a huge erection.
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Nathalia Itiero
Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.01.02 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Nathalia Itiero on 02/01/2009 14:48:19 Bumping this to the front as we still need more intel on what features you guys would want :)
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Jehovah Cooper
H A V O C Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.02 18:06:00 -
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Sorry, I am big fan of RoR but a rails killboard is not going to be useful to most people. Most hosts people already have will not support it. Only people with dedicated hosts would take advantage of it; no one is going to sign up with a rails host (almost certainly more expensive) just for a different killboard. Maybe when Heroku or something like it goes live it will be more feasible but even then probably more cost than a cheap LAMP host.
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Ix Forres
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.01.02 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ix Forres on 02/01/2009 21:33:16
Originally by: Jehovah Cooper Sorry, I am big fan of RoR but a rails killboard is not going to be useful to most people. Most hosts people already have will not support it. Only people with dedicated hosts would take advantage of it; no one is going to sign up with a rails host (almost certainly more expensive) just for a different killboard. Maybe when Heroku or something like it goes live it will be more feasible but even then probably more cost than a cheap LAMP host.
Quite a lot of shared hosts are now providing Rails support given that adding support for Rails is now incredibly simple (http://modrails.com). Including Dreamhost, who are ridiculously cheap and have supported RoR for ages.
I would also point out that several large (ie. huge) shared killboard implementations and KB-for-ISK services have registered significant interests in this project, so if people can't host their own then they could easily use one of these services. We're considering having multisite support built into this quite deeply at the moment to allow for services like this to be made much easier.
The trouble with a LAMP implementation is the amount of work. Even working with agile techniques and developing on tight timescales, making everything play nicely in an environment as nice as Rails with the frameworks I've been building to support EVE development for years has taken a long time. While I'm sure it would be easier for most people to use, there's A) not much support for such a project in the EVE developer community (see the numerous stalled attempts to remake the EDK) and B) not many LAMP developers willing to work on this heavily. This, plus my personal experience over the past year or so working with EVE Rails projects, made it an obvious choice for the project.
On a final point: thank you very much to everyone who responded. Further responses would be great, but I think through people's responses so far we've got a good picture of where we should be focusing our time.
Edit: Almost forgot to respond to an earlier comment:
Quote: I also would like better ways to portray accurate data in fights. Possibly make it so that killmails cannot be manually posted at all. The only way to post kills is through API and through networking with other killboards. Manual posting is to EVE-killboards as WIKI's are to knowledge. Yes, sometimes it's quite accurate - other times it's a limited one-sided perspective.
You, sir, are awesome. If we'd ignored killmails entirely we'd be done by now unfortunately there's a lot of demand for instant gratification. More intelligent API spacing for director and character API key scraping is one way to get closer to this, but lots of people can't think of a KB without asking where the button to post a mail is. That said, I do intend to allow the API to replace manually posted kills, so that when the API gets a kill the KM-posted kill is replaced/updated with the API data.
Oh, and to the person who wanted the fitting DB: Already done. Nexus strips kills down to Kill and Fitting objects, and Kills just reference those Fittings. Adding additional Fittings to the db is a piece of cake, and the DB then shows you all fittings imported from kills. This opens up all sorts of awesome possibilities, of course, as to seeing trends in corps or alliances, or even individual pilots, as to what they fly and how they fit them. -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense | EVE Metrics (NEW) | I Tweet |
Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:01:00 -
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Any more word on this? |
Ergebt Euch
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:20:00 -
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Total damage inflicted of a pilot. From every known killmail. And a top 100 pilots highscore on that. Would be ozzom. |
Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.02.06 20:23:00 -
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Can I habe tehm pwease?
Most favrite waepon or 4 favrite hghi slot. Moat 4 favrite middel slots. Most 4 favrite low slits.
Thansk yuo.
--------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Go vote! Put voice for silent majority. LOVE PVP, HATE grief |
Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.02.06 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Can I habe tehm pwease?
Most favrite waepon or 4 favrite hghi slot. Moat 4 favrite middel slots. Most 4 favrite low slits.
Thansk yuo.
Do you have a program that comes along and intercepts all keystrokes from your keyboard, and turns them into jibberish, or do you actually take the time to type like that.
To the OP, survey done, please give us a link to a test killboard when ready.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.02.06 21:03:00 -
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Cros, you want to maek me a porgram to halp me teype?
Ix, I aslo want top 4 favrite shep kaput.
--------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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Ix Forres
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.02.06 21:12:00 -
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o-0
It's still in the works- we're crunching away at it, and it's progressing well. If I remember I'll throw a few screenshots up of what we have so far, but I'm madly busy right now. Only realised this had gotten bumped because of the 10 new responses (9 useless, one essay) to the form.. |
Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar Free Ammatar Aid Organisation
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Posted - 2009.02.06 21:15:00 -
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All killboards should be filled with pictures of midgets on trampolines eating an icecream.
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Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.02.08 03:10:00 -
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I'm looking to move away from my griefwatch board, so I'll keep this bumped
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Cadde
Gallente Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM
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Posted - 2009.02.08 04:15:00 -
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Edited by: Cadde on 08/02/2009 04:16:22 I don't know if anyone has said this yet... But i would love to have kills on my killboard
But to answer the real question asked here...
1) Fast load times. 2) Simple interface without flashy stupid sparks or otherwise useless eye candy. (In other words, gets the job done without looking horrible) 3) Attention to details. I want as much statistics/intel/details as possible when i request them. There should be advanced features such as "track player" which would show you his reported movements through space so one can figure out his favorite routes etc.
I cannot say my wishes are "good" ones though since i don't deal much with killboards yet. Still a pvp noob.
EDIT: OFC there is more i would wish for but i am too tired to risk making myself look even more stupid. //Cadde |
Johli
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.02.08 04:23:00 -
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boobs. |
PuttPutt
Reikoku KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.09 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: PuttPutt on 09/02/2009 22:26:31 As a Rails developer I am glad to see that RoR is becoming more popular than it already is.
Do you plan on opening up the killboard repository on github? I would love to be able to contribute to it. I was almost going to write my own killboard until I found this post.
Oh and a suggestion, comments on kills. So i can be like "lol nice fittings |
Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.02.16 19:29:00 -
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~bump~
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Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2009.02.16 20:10:00 -
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I'd like to see something about how often pilots blob people or not, but there's a problem I've realized with trying to do this approach.
I'm part of a two man gang. For example a t1 cruiser and an interceptor. A ten man blob comes after us. We kill their tackle interceptor and run away. It looks like we ganked some solo dude bringing way more firepower to the table than neccesary. 2 or 3 v 1. Because none of us died there is no record of the ten man blob. You going to take our word that there was a ten man blob? Should I comment every killmail describing how large a blob was behind the tackler kill? Yeah. There is no mechanic in place to account for this. Nothing you can program into a killboard will help because killmails themselves dont record all the nearby traffic.
I dont think they should. But its an interesting limitation to the system. And people asking for a rating on when a corp blobs or not are going to have to accept it as a simple killmail will always be innacurate in describing exactly what happened and why.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.02.16 20:21:00 -
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Chicken icons replacing every ship in anything above a 10 to 1 gank and the names blanked out with the phrase bok-bok.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.16 20:25:00 -
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I'd like an NPC killboard, akin to the one in Wingcommander, to show just how many of what kind of rat i've been popping
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.02.16 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones I'd like an NPC killboard, akin to the one in Wingcommander, to show just how many of what kind of rat i've been popping
Aktualy, it si gut idae. CCP habe skills to piut a featrue in Eve. Alle palyars can see who habe kill rats. Gut to know who si carebar or no carebar.
--------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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zykerx
Merchants Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2009.02.16 22:03:00 -
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1 that have also include all tower km including pos mods to stats .
"MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
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Roku Kotaki
Kotaki Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.03.19 18:33:00 -
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Free bump since it's been a month since anything has been heard about this. (BTW, using and loving ISKsense. Thanks for the awesome web adverts for EVE related sites! ) _____
Looking for an excellent industrial corp?
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.03.19 18:42:00 -
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An accurate depiction of one's knob, so e-peen levels can be compared to actual bell-end size. ------------------------ Please do not discuss moderation in your sig - Mitnal
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
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Posted - 2009.03.19 19:04:00 -
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100% Kill ratio for success?
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