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Borgholio Minmatar Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.31 22:42:00 - [1] Edited by: Borgholio on 31/12/2008 22:42:36 Currently I'm running a GeForce 8400GS with 256mb, and it works fine. However due to Christmas, I now have $100 in Amazon gift certificates to spend and I'm considering upgrading. Based on the amount of money I have to spend, I can afford either a GeForce 8600GT with 512mb or a GeForce 9500 with 1gb. At first glance the 9500 is the better choice due to twice as much video memory, but I've read some reviews that say the GeForce 9 series is actually crap. Opinions, anyone? Thanks! ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole!
Captain Pompous	Posted - 2008.12.31 22:44:00 - [2] the difference is somewhat marginal, though I'd say go with 9500 as it does distinctly perform better (I had the former, and now have the latter)
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.12.31 22:45:00 - [3] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 31/12/2008 22:49:05 I just put in an 8500 w/ 1gb (they also make an 8500 w/ 512) and it runs Premium superbly. Whatever you get I'd recommend going with the gig instead of the 512. The 9000 series cards are also a fair bit longer than the 8000 series. If the main power hookup to your motherboard is located on the same relative x-axis as your video card port you may not be able to fit the card in at all. That's what happened to me (got a 9600 a few weeks ago.) Unfortunately the manufacturer doesn't list physical dimensions of the cards anywhere that I was able to find. Make sure you save your receipt. Oh yeah that reminds me, make sure the power source you're using can handle the new card as well. 8500+ benefits from a 400W source, and the 9-series requires it IIRC.
Brother Priad Duty.	Posted - 2008.12.31 22:45:00 - [4] go for the 8600 and wait for the next line of cards after the 9s. Death to the Bunnies!
Borgholio Minmatar Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.31 22:47:00 - [5] Originally by: Dirk Magnum I just put in an 8500 w/ 1gb (they also make an 8500 w/ 512) and it runs Premium superbly. Whatever you get I'd recommend going with the gig instead of the 512. I found an 8600 with 1gb ram but in the name of all that's holy, look at the size of that heatsink! http://www.amazon.com/nVIDIA-GeForce-8600GT-Express-s-video/dp/B001L5GX5Y/ref=sr_1_52?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1230763549&sr=1-52 ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole!
Cypherous Minmatar Pax Britannia Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2008.12.31 22:57:00 - [6] Originally by: Borgholio Originally by: Dirk Magnum I just put in an 8500 w/ 1gb (they also make an 8500 w/ 512) and it runs Premium superbly. Whatever you get I'd recommend going with the gig instead of the 512. I found an 8600 with 1gb ram but in the name of all that's holy, look at the size of that heatsink! http://www.amazon.com/nVIDIA-GeForce-8600GT-Express-s-video/dp/B001L5GX5Y/ref=sr_1_52?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1230763549&sr=1-52 Looks about as meaty as my 8800GTX its got a beast of a heatsink the size of 2 internal HDD's and yeah its a very tight fit in this case i'm planning on upgrading the case before buying a bigger card --------- Rally Against Evil Site[/center]
Borgholio Minmatar Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.31 23:33:00 - [7] Well I just bought the 9500. I read some really thorough benchmarks that show it being equal to or better than the 8600gt in all aspects. Yarr incoming. :-P ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole!
Auty Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.31 23:57:00 - [8] i had a 8600Gt and just upgrade to a 9600gt and im not dissapointed to be honest :)
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2008.12.31 23:59:00 - [9] the 9500 is just a rebadged 8600 anyway.
Monthma Monad Gallente 911th Truth Squadron House of Mercury	Posted - 2009.01.01 00:04:00 - [10] get a 8800GTsomething with the new chip thingy and 512 MB

Jabezhane	Posted - 2009.01.01 00:05:00 - [11] Just be wary of lower end cards with the 1024mb ram sets as they are not all created equal. Yes they have more ram and that would be good right? Well no, not always. Sometimes the ram is clocked at a lower data rate or even worse an older generation (say 1024Mb GDDR2 at 600Mhz instead of 512Mb GDDR3 at 750mhz). Its not always the case but something to be wary of. I'll generally take the lower amount but faster ram over more but slower.
AkRoYeR Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.01 00:21:00 - [12] Geforce 8600 is just fine for this game. Other games go with the newer one.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.01.01 00:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Jabezhane Just be wary of lower end cards with the 1024mb ram sets as they are not all created equal. Yes they have more ram and that would be good right? Well no, not always. Sometimes the ram is clocked at a lower data rate or even worse an older generation (say 1024Mb GDDR2 at 600Mhz instead of 512Mb GDDR3 at 750mhz). Its not always the case but something to be wary of. I'll generally take the lower amount but faster ram over more but slower. what about those ATI cards that state things like DDR6 memory. Are those just pulling my leg? They have always bothered me.
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.01.01 01:10:00 - [14] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Jabezhane Just be wary of lower end cards with the 1024mb ram sets as they are not all created equal. Yes they have more ram and that would be good right? Well no, not always. Sometimes the ram is clocked at a lower data rate or even worse an older generation (say 1024Mb GDDR2 at 600Mhz instead of 512Mb GDDR3 at 750mhz). Its not always the case but something to be wary of. I'll generally take the lower amount but faster ram over more but slower. what about those ATI cards that state things like DDR6 memory. Are those just pulling my leg? They have always bothered me. think you must of been dreaming ddr6 is only in development atm but you can get ddr5 ati graphics cards.
Beet Head Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.01 01:11:00 - [15] 9800GT is ~$100 atm (same thing as 8800GT, and soon to be renamed to 240/250), and it runs all modern games just fine. Not sure why you'd wanna get anything less, its not like you're going to be saving much money.
Jabezhane	Posted - 2009.01.01 01:57:00 - [16] For the record a mate of mine runs the Premium content just fine on an old 6800GT.
mechtech Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.01 02:27:00 - [17] Get a 9600gt, it's $100 and is about 1.5-2x as powerful as the other 2 cards you linked. http://www.amazon.com/Palit-Nvidia-9600Gt-Pcie2-0-Retail/dp/B0016JIJJI/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1230776760&sr=8-4
Borgholio Minmatar Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.01 03:01:00 - [18] Originally by: mechtech Get a 9600gt, it's $100 and is about 1.5-2x as powerful as the other 2 cards you linked. http://www.amazon.com/Palit-Nvidia-9600Gt-Pcie2-0-Retail/dp/B0016JIJJI/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1230776760&sr=8-4 I've never heard of Palit, but PNY has one for only a few bucks more...I'll probably get that instead. Thanks! ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole!
mechtech Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.01 03:17:00 - [19] Originally by: Borgholio Originally by: mechtech Get a 9600gt, it's $100 and is about 1.5-2x as powerful as the other 2 cards you linked. http://www.amazon.com/Palit-Nvidia-9600Gt-Pcie2-0-Retail/dp/B0016JIJJI/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1230776760&sr=8-4 I've never heard of Palit, but PNY has one for only a few bucks more...I'll probably get that instead. Thanks! good choice, the 9600 is a surprisingly fast card for the $$
wickedpheonix	Posted - 2009.01.01 03:53:00 - [20] this thread is worthless without knowing what resolutions everyone here runs EVE at.

Borgholio Minmatar Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.01 04:09:00 - [21] Originally by: wickedpheonix this thread is worthless without knowing what resolutions everyone here runs EVE at. 1280x1024 widescreen ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole!
Ivana Drake	Posted - 2009.01.01 04:14:00 - [22] 8600 runs Premium well at lower resolutions. Got an 8600GTM on my Laptop and it runs Premium smoothly at 1280x800, though I have to disable shadows... I then tried plugging it into a 22" Monitor and running it at 1680x1050. Didn't like that at all. Desktop has an 8800GT and the performance boost over the 8600 is massive. Absolute max settings inc. Shadow quality, 1680x1050 res and I still get 60 fps No point getting a crappy card like the 9500 or 8600 unless they're going really cheaply (I got a 256mb 8600GT for ú6.49 some months ago, yay for clearance sales) since they only barley do what you want and at retail value still go for quite a bit. 9600GT and 8800GT are much better choices IMO.
Borgholio Minmatar Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.01 04:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Ivana Drake 8600 runs Premium well at lower resolutions. Got an 8600GTM on my Laptop and it runs Premium smoothly at 1280x800, though I have to disable shadows... I then tried plugging it into a 22" Monitor and running it at 1680x1050. Didn't like that at all. Desktop has an 8800GT and the performance boost over the 8600 is massive. Absolute max settings inc. Shadow quality, 1680x1050 res and I still get 60 fps No point getting a crappy card like the 9500 or 8600 unless they're going really cheaply (I got a 256mb 8600GT for ú6.49 some months ago, yay for clearance sales) since they only barley do what you want and at retail value still go for quite a bit. 9600GT and 8800GT are much better choices IMO. Cancelled my order for the 9500 and just purchaced a PNY 9600 512mb card instead. When it arrives in about two weeks, I shall be able to have maximum FPS during those intense Omber mining sessions... ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole!
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2009.01.01 05:24:00 - [24] Why are EVE players such cheapskates when it comes to graphics cards? For god's sake at least go with a 9800GT it's not that expensive, and it will play damn near everything just fine, including Crysis.
Borgholio Minmatar Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.01 05:33:00 - [25] Originally by: Gamer4liff Why are EVE players such cheapskates when it comes to graphics cards? For god's sake at least go with a 9800GT it's not that expensive, and it will play damn near everything just fine, including Crysis. Well in this instance it's the amount of money I have in my Amazon gift certificates. If it weren't for that I wouldn't be buying ANYTHING right now. :-P ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole!
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2009.01.01 05:35:00 - [26] Originally by: Borgholio Originally by: Gamer4liff Why are EVE players such cheapskates when it comes to graphics cards? For god's sake at least go with a 9800GT it's not that expensive, and it will play damn near everything just fine, including Crysis. Well in this instance it's the amount of money I have in my Amazon gift certificates. If it weren't for that I wouldn't be buying ANYTHING right now. :-P Only $20 more than the gift card on amazon :P
Unholy Preacher Trade Consortium	Posted - 2009.01.01 06:00:00 - [27] or you could buy a book with the gift card? ... just saying.
Jaguar Dragon Blood Association of Dragons Blood Alliance of Dragons	Posted - 2009.01.01 06:03:00 - [28] Get yourself two 9800's and run them in SLI. Trust me, you want speed and a high fps. You'll have it. lol Jag
Borgholio Minmatar Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.01 06:57:00 - [29] Originally by: Unholy Preacher or you could buy a book with the gift card? ... just saying. $100 worth of books? :-P Actually I do have about $3.50 left after this purchase...maybe I WILL buy a book. ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole!
Splash Whale Electric Monkey Overlords	Posted - 2009.01.01 11:54:00 - [30] Or, you could distance yourself from the nVidia fanboys and actualy get a good graphics card. ATi 48x0 series beat the crap out of everything price-performance wise. ---- When in doubt, Ctrl-Q.

Ecky X Shadow Company	Posted - 2009.01.01 12:10:00 - [31] Radeon HD 3850 for $100 plays football with the 8600. http://www.amazon.com/AMD-ATI-HD3850-512MB-DDR2/dp/B001CW9INU/ref=pd_bbs_5?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1230811743&sr=8-5
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2009.01.01 13:07:00 - [32] kicks Ecky for not recommending 4830 instead 3850DDR2 Originally by:* Ecky X Radeon HD 3850 for $100 plays football with the 8600.
Kyreax Neuronix	Posted - 2009.01.01 15:18:00 - [33] Got a GeForce 8800 GTX OC with 768 MB of GDDR3. It is pretty f'in incredible... but then it melted a few months ago and I had to get a new one. Other than that, no game has ever made it stutter on max settings. Dunno the current price. --------------------------------------------------- It's a Templar, an Amarr Fighter used by Carriers.
Beet Head Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.01 16:49:00 - [34] Originally by: Splash Whale Or, you could distance yourself from the nVidia fanboys and actualy get a good graphics card. ATi 48x0 series beat the crap out of everything price-performance wise. You notice what cards the OP is talking about? Then notice most of the recommendations hes getting? 4800 series own this generation, but not at all price points and not the one discussed here. 4830 is roughly equivalent to 9800 GT and costs slightly more, which is probably why its not worth mentioning. 4850 is a great card, but its double what price of what the OP bought.
Korirnna	Posted - 2009.01.01 17:26:00 - [35] Edited by: Korirnna on 01/01/2009 17:27:34 Don't be stupid. Buy whatever is currently better. Right now, ATI's 4800 series is better. Next time, maybe Nvidia will be better, so then you can get that. There's no reason to be brand-loyal.
Borgholio Minmatar Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.11 02:15:00 - [36] My 9600 arrived yesterday and although I'm quite pleased with performance, I think I'm missing something. Sitting in station in premium or classic I don't seem to get more than 100 - 110 fps. During a rather large fleet fight today I got as low as 9 fps when I zoomed in on about 200 ships. Even with the low fps it was still fairly steady, not very jerky...but somehow I feel that I should be getting better performance. What could I be missing? Are there any simple tests to see if my card is in fact working the way it should? ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole!
Opertone Caldari Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.11 02:20:00 - [37] i have a nvidia 9800 GX2, with two cards in one, don't go for it... As any multi GPU cards it has image rendering issues, the picture randomly tears, sometimes bottlenecks in performance reveal themselves. Yes it has higher FPS than single processor card, like 9800 GT, but it comes at the cost of stability and compatibility. It is always the issue wit drivers too. It's hard to update the drivers without ruining your Windows installation, driver setup may go wrong and you'll have to format your system. I don't like the trouble of DUAL GPU card. I should have gone for 9800 GTX or x280... or whatever.
Borgholio Minmatar Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.11 04:30:00 - [38] Well I'm wondering about my card. I played around a bit and my max FPS was about 130 docked. Is that decent for a 9600gt or should it be higher?
Arlenna Molatov Caldari The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2009.01.11 05:27:00 - [39] Originally by: Ecky X Radeon HD 3850 for $100 plays football with the 8600. http://www.amazon.com/AMD-ATI-HD3850-512MB-DDR2/dp/B001CW9INU/ref=pd_bbs_5?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1230811743&sr=8-5 You know why a lot of people don't mess with ATI cards? Because you ALWAYS have issues with them! BSOD, PC crashing, driver problems. Most of the time, you don't get that with Gforce cards. Every game I see a new game come out there are always a page or two of posts about ATI and video problems. EVE was no different. Guess what. Gforce cards loaded it up and away we played :)
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.01.11 05:55:00 - [40] Originally by: Borgholio either a GeForce 8600GT with 512mb or a GeForce 9500 with 1gb OR you could stay away from the very likely self-destruct timebombs NVidia-powered cards made in late 2007 and 2008 are, and go for something that actually DOES HAVE A PI LAYER instead, so doesn't suffer from that chip packaging cough "oversight"...

rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2009.01.11 06:04:00 - [41] Personally Im using a 9800GTX+OC now, and I've gotta say the performance is almost as good as the new 9800 GX2 or even the GTX 200 series.
Scarlet Pimpdaddy Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.11 06:14:00 - [42] I have upgraded to the 9 series and I can vouch for it being much better.
mechtech Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.11 06:21:00 - [43] Edited by: mechtech on 11/01/2009 06:24:55 Originally by: Borgholio My 9600 arrived yesterday and although I'm quite pleased with performance, I think I'm missing something. Sitting in station in premium or classic I don't seem to get more than 100 - 110 fps. During a rather large fleet fight today I got as low as 9 fps when I zoomed in on about 200 ships. Even with the low fps it was still fairly steady, not very jerky...but somehow I feel that I should be getting better performance. What could I be missing? Are there any simple tests to see if my card is in fact working the way it should? Make sure to keep shadow quality low (it's barely noticeable, but has a large performance hit). Of course make sure you have 2GB of RAM in your computer. Maybe the problem is an old CPU? If you have a single core CPU that might explain it. I have an 8800gt (your card is about 90% as fast, should perform closely). I get 250 FPS in space at 1900x1200, with everything on highest. Make sure you have the latest drivers installed. The only difference I see is that my CPU is a quad and runs at 3.6 Ghz, and I have 4gb of ram. (but keep in mind eve wont use all of my quad, and only needs 2GB of RAM)
Anaesthera Gallente AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.11 06:31:00 - [44] Originally by: Arlenna Molatov You know why a lot of people don't mess with ATI cards? Because you ALWAYS have issues with them! BSOD, PC crashing, driver problems. Most of the time, you don't get that with Gforce cards. Every game I see a new game come out there are always a page or two of posts about ATI and video problems. EVE was no different. Guess what. Gforce cards loaded it up and away we played :) That sounds like anecdotal evidence. I can just as easily say I've been using ATI cards for years and haven't had any problems (which is true).
Borgholio Minmatar Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.11 06:35:00 - [45] Originally by: mechtech Edited by: mechtech on 11/01/2009 06:24:55 Make sure to keep shadow quality low (it's barely noticeable, but has a large performance hit). Of course make sure you have 2GB of RAM in your computer. Maybe the problem is an old CPU? If you have a single core CPU that might explain it. I have an 8800gt (your card is about 90% as fast, should perform closely). I get 250 FPS in space at 1900x1200, with everything on highest. Make sure you have the latest drivers installed. The only difference I see is that my CPU is a quad and runs at 3.6 Ghz, and I have 4gb of ram. (but keep in mind eve wont use all of my quad, and only needs 2GB of RAM) I am running a Pentium Dual Core 2ghz chip and 2gb RAM. I can't imagine that would be the bottleneck. :-/
AleRiperKilt	Posted - 2009.01.11 07:19:00 - [46] my 8600GT died in the middle of a hauler run a couple weeks ago, so I did my research for a replacement and this is what I found: - GeForce 8800 series got renamed to 9800 (yes, it is exactly the same card) - 9600 is the only of the 9xxx series with a new chip, and it performs only 10% less than 8800/9800 Not sure about 9500 but anything below 9600 (or 8600 if going for 8xxx series) is usually severely crippled compared to it. I bought a 9600GT and now get twice the FPS compared to the now defunct 8600GT with all 3 clients running. If in a budget a 9500 may do but there is likely a huge difference in performance to the 9600. Go to tomshardware or anandtech and do a search on 9500GT reviews. --- "I live in Los Angeles, where driving is non-consensual pvp" - Arric Rohr
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente aurorae pacificas	Posted - 2009.01.11 07:30:00 - [47] I seriously need to upgrade Im running a 7800GT, an athlon 64 3700 2.21ghz and 2gig ram. I also need a new monitor. I run premium ok, but since QR have been getting the random crash bug thing that a quite a few have been complaining about. I cant really play longer then a couple of minutes without a crash. It ran fine prior to QR
JoeT Amarr Short Attention Span	Posted - 2009.01.11 09:11:00 - [48] Edited by: JoeT on 11/01/2009 09:11:38 between those two cards, i'll takw the 9500, but i overall perfer amd cards still. but for any card in the 100dollar range i'll take the either a 3870 or 9600gt. edit: amazon isnt the bets to buy video cards off of, but since thats what your working with :l - We are anonymous. We Are legion.
Jabezhane	Posted - 2009.01.11 22:00:00 - [49] Originally by: Borgholio My 9600 arrived yesterday and although I'm quite pleased with performance, I think I'm missing something. Sitting in station in premium or classic I don't seem to get more than 100 - 110 fps. During a rather large fleet fight today I got as low as 9 fps when I zoomed in on about 200 ships. Even with the low fps it was still fairly steady, not very jerky...but somehow I feel that I should be getting better performance. What could I be missing? Are there any simple tests to see if my card is in fact working the way it should? Try going into the Nvidia Advanced settings and switiching on Triple Buffering and Vertical sync. This will 'lock' the card to a max 60fps, sounds odd to do but it may help the busier moments. Also what quality/peromance settings are you running the card at? If you have it all at best quality it will grind.
Borgholio Minmatar Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.12 01:25:00 - [50] Originally by: Jabezhane Try going into the Nvidia Advanced settings and switiching on Triple Buffering and Vertical sync. This will 'lock' the card to a max 60fps, sounds odd to do but it may help the busier moments. Also what quality/peromance settings are you running the card at? If you have it all at best quality it will grind. I'm running at lowest quality / highest performance from the Nvidia control panel. In EVE I am running classic with all effects and such turned off. ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole!

fatherted1989	Posted - 2009.01.12 01:27:00 - [51] OT, the 8600, its the 2nd number onwards that really affects nvidia cards. off-t, just get a HD4850 512mb, it's ****ing incredible for power v cost!


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