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kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:24:00 - [1] The times has an article here Now this is taking the ****, Big brother indeed. And not only that, but these procedures may be adopted in other EU countries, as our home security office is trying to convince other nations to do the same. Another step on the road to popular revolt I say.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:30:00 - [2] I sense a business opportunity in encryption software. ____________________
AmosTrask Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:31:00 - [3] Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. -------------------------------------
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:32:00 - [4] Originally by: kor anon The times has an article here Now this is taking the ****, Big brother indeed. And not only that, but these procedures may be adopted in other EU countries, as our home security office is trying to convince other nations to do the same. Another step on the road to popular revolt I say. Encryption -------------------------------------------
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:33:00 - [5] Edited by: Shanzem on 04/01/2009 17:36:26 Edited by: Shanzem on 04/01/2009 17:35:06 Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. A police man/women (sorry pc state) job is to capture criminals. and if you haven't noticed your ALL criminals in one way or another. in doing this they protect the innocent. by calling you all criminals. your all suspects. Don`t believe me talk to your local bobby! -------------------------------------------
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:37:00 - [6] Edited by: Elliot Reid on 04/01/2009 17:38:20 As for encryption, if the police were to suspect you of a crime and you would not decrypt the data then I think thats a little like failing to give a breath sample when stopped for suspicion of drink driving. The failing to decrypt is treated the same as having incriminating stuff. As I'm no legal expert, no really I'm not, I will not stake my life on this, but I'm sure I read something along these lines a while back. _______________________________________ Atheism, a non-prophet organisation
AmosTrask Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:37:00 - [7] Edited by: AmosTrask on 04/01/2009 17:38:44 Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. A police mans job is to capture criminals. and if you haven't noticed your ALL criminals in one way or another. Please don't make me quote the article...just scan the facts. And the with the increase of population they need more and more ways to keep tabs on us all, if you haven't noticed they are well out numbered at the moment -------------------------------------
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:37:00 - [8] Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. This is exactly the attitude that has created this problem. Everyone has something to hide. Everyone. I do. So do you. Do does my family, my friends, my dog, etc. People tend to appreciate their secrets remaining secrets. And even if it were only used to persecute "the guilty" as you so eloquently assert, the systems are then in place to possibly persecute anyone, at the whim of whoever controls it. ____________________
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:38:00 - [9] Can anyone recommend some encryption software? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:38:00 - [10] Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. O really? bet you wont be saying that if the government adopts polices to quash the naysayers, and accusing you of sedition merely for critisizing the government.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Elliot Reid As for encryption, if the police were to suspect you of a crime and you would not decrypt the data then I think thats a little like failing to give a breath sample when stopped for suspicion of drink driving. The failing to decrypt is treated the same as failing a breath test. As I'm no legal expert, no really I'm not, I will not stake my life on this, but I'm sure I read something along these lines a while back. You can have hidden partitions. So you would decrypt the visible volume, but there would be no evidence of that volume containing a hidden partition within it. I use a program called TrueCrypt which offers this feature. I'm not telling you if I've used it however. ____________________
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Arianhod Can anyone recommend some encryption software? TrueCrypt ____________________
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Elliot Reid As for encryption, if the police were to suspect you of a crime and you would not decrypt the data then I think thats a little like failing to give a breath sample when stopped for suspicion of drink driving. The failing to decrypt is treated the same as failing a breath test. As I'm no legal expert, no really I'm not, I will not stake my life on this, but I'm sure I read something along these lines a while back. That is absolutely disgusting, what about the data protection act? i would say you should keep your mouth closed and demand a lawyer, but **** do that and your already giving yourself up to them. -------------------------------------------
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:42:00 - [14] Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: Elliot Reid As for encryption, if the police were to suspect you of a crime and you would not decrypt the data then I think thats a little like failing to give a breath sample when stopped for suspicion of drink driving. The failing to decrypt is treated the same as failing a breath test. As I'm no legal expert, no really I'm not, I will not stake my life on this, but I'm sure I read something along these lines a while back. That is absolutely disgusting, what about the data protection act? i would say you should keep your mouth closed and demand a lawyer, but **** do that and your already giving yourself up to them. Don't worry - read my post about hidden partitions. ____________________
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:42:00 - [15] Edited by: Shanzem on 04/01/2009 17:46:43 Originally by: AmosTrask Edited by: AmosTrask on 04/01/2009 17:38:44 Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. A police mans job is to capture criminals. and if you haven't noticed your ALL criminals in one way or another. Please don't make me quote the article...just scan the facts. And the with the increase of population they need more and more ways to keep tabs on us all, if you haven't noticed they are well out numbered at the moment Ermm sorry TABS? I hope that's a joke post.. really I do. Thinking like that is going to erode all your rights. Never TRUST your government or police. Church hill was spot on with his thinking. (FFS Japan hurry up with cloning we need our church hill back) The English are becoming no better then the **** they defeated during the world wars. We aren't prosecuting jews, we call the muslims in stead. we invade there homes. took all there oil and but an evil regime in control of there land. -------------------------------------------
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:43:00 - [16] Edited by: Arianhod on 04/01/2009 17:44:21 Testing out Truecrypt now.... Sorry, why should the Police keep tabs on the general population? Isn't their job to solve crimes (ha!) and to prevent it (again - HA!)? They have bigger issues than keeping us afraid, such as dealing with yob culture... Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:45:00 - [17] Wasn't there a time when police used to be servants of the people? When law enforcement was a secondary priority? ____________________
AmosTrask Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:46:00 - [18] bah.. leaves thread -------------------------------------
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:49:00 - [19] Edited by: Shanzem on 04/01/2009 17:51:10 Originally by: ReaperOfSly Wasn't there a time when police used to be servants of the people? When law enforcement was a secondary priority? That x1000 Your local bobby would give you a clip round your ear when you was a kid "That`s before you think about doing something young en" Could also talk to him and have a friendly chat. I wouldn't dream of doing that. I wouldn't DARE speak to an officer there some many reason to not look or even acknowledged there existence. Its scary. -------------------------------------------
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: ReaperOfSly Wasn't there a time when police used to be servants of the people? When law enforcement was a secondary priority? That x1000 /me gets out guitar A long, long time ago, I can still remember... Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: ReaperOfSly Wasn't there a time when police used to be servants of the people? When law enforcement was a secondary priority? That x1000 /me gets out guitar A long, long time ago, I can still remember... Its pathetic my kids (when I get married) are going to hate every inch of me if i stay in this country. No rights no freedoms. -------------------------------------------
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:57:00 - [22] Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: ReaperOfSly Wasn't there a time when police used to be servants of the people? When law enforcement was a secondary priority? That x1000 /me gets out guitar A long, long time ago, I can still remember... Its pathetic my kids (when I get married) are going to hate every inch of me if i stay in this country. No rights no freedoms. I don't think you need to worry about that. ____________________
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 18:00:00 - [23] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. O really? bet you wont be saying that if the government adopts polices to quash the naysayers, and accusing you of sedition merely for criticizing the government. That right there. remember you already cannot picket out side of parliament or ANYWHERE in England that they say. Howe long until you cannot even voice your own opinion in your own home? -------------------------------------------
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 18:01:00 - [24] Edited by: Shanzem on 04/01/2009 18:02:21 Edited by: Shanzem on 04/01/2009 18:01:49 Originally by: ReaperOfSly I don't think you need to worry about that. I will be out of England soon What getting married? Or staying in the UK -------------------------------------------
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.04 18:36:00 - [25] Edited by: Xen Gin on 04/01/2009 18:36:50 Originally by: Elliot Reid Edited by: Elliot Reid on 04/01/2009 17:38:20 As for encryption, if the police were to suspect you of a crime and you would not decrypt the data then I think thats a little like failing to give a breath sample when stopped for suspicion of drink driving. The failing to decrypt is treated the same as having incriminating stuff. As I'm no legal expert, no really I'm not, I will not stake my life on this, but I'm sure I read something along these lines a while back. It's treated only as Obstruction of Justice. Because people do actually forget passwords, you can't incriminate them on it. Originally by: ReaperOfSly You can have hidden partitions. So you would decrypt the visible volume, but there would be no evidence of that volume containing a hidden partition within it. I use a program called TrueCrypt which offers this feature. I'm not telling you if I've used it however. Detecting encrypted/hidden volumes is actually quite easy to do. I've done it a few times. What's this a 180GB drive with only a 100GB partition, I wonder where the rest is? However the obvious difficulty is obtaining the key. Also, If the Security Services were going to 'hack' you (which they don't, they just get you to install a back-door), it's probably not going to end up in court where a defence barrister cross examines the Forensic Expert for the prosecution and says, "Well his system was compromised, can you be 100% sure it wasn't planted!?", and "Can you be 100% sure that it was the suspect using the computer at the time?". At which point you have a seed of doubt, and the case is probably over. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Ivana Drake	Posted - 2009.01.04 19:04:00 - [26] Quote: He said the authorities could break into a suspectÆs home or office and insert a ôkey-loggingö device into an individualÆs computer. This would collect and, if necessary, transmit details of all the suspectÆs keystrokes. ôItÆs just like putting a secret camera in someoneÆs living room,ö he said. Well for a start, they have to actually visit your home for that. You'd have to be pretty suspect for them to bother... Quote: police could park outside a suspectÆs home and hack into his or her hard drive using the wireless network. Even with WPA wireless encryption? Wouldn't that take like, forever? And again for them to come park outside your house means they have to have something on you already... Quote: Police might also send an e-mail to a suspectÆs computer. The message would include an attachment that contained a virus or ômalwareö. If the attachment was opened, the remote search facility would be covertly activated. 'If'
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 19:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: ReaperOfSly You can have hidden partitions. So you would decrypt the visible volume, but there would be no evidence of that volume containing a hidden partition within it. I use a program called TrueCrypt which offers this feature. I'm not telling you if I've used it however. Detecting encrypted/hidden volumes is actually quite easy to do. I've done it a few times. What's this a 180GB drive with only a 100GB partition, I wonder where the rest is? However the obvious difficulty is obtaining the key. The point is, you don't see that only 100GB is used. Say you have a 180GB encrypted volume. Inside that volume, you can place a 80GB hidden volume which uses a different password to the outer volume. Now, all your enemy can see is that there is a 180GB encrypted volume on the hard drive. If he forces you to tell him the password, you tell him the password to the outer volume. When it's open, it looks like a 180GB partition with just under 100GB of data on it, and 80GB free space. He takes the data and goes home happy. If you had used the other password, it would have opened up the hidden partition which just looks like a 80GB partition, and this is where you keep the really juicy stuff. The only problem with this system is that if your enemy tries to write a file to the outer volume, you risk corrupting the hidden volume. ____________________
vostok Minmatar Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.04 19:24:00 - [28] Oh man that really sucks :( I think I'll go about setting up a file server for all of my, erm, legal stuff. I think the microwave would be a good location for the HD cage - Adaptation is not* an excuse for lack of ballance!* -
Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.04 19:29:00 - [29] Awesome. What software do they use to do this? Does it have any buffer over run flaws? Can I leave an interesting file for them that when they look at it via their 'remote search' it will blow the **** up and randomly encrypt parts of their local file system, or even better, periodically post the files they're looking at onto usenet... ~~~~ There is no parody in this thread. Honest.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.01.04 19:36:00 - [30] I wonder how many people are going to put documents entitled "big drug buy plan" and fill it with insults and profanities for the police to find on their computers. In all seriousness this is opening a huge can of worms. It only takes one crooked cop to plant incrimidating evidence on your computer, come back and say your a thief. The funny thing is though that serious criminals were adapt by merely keeping any crimidating evidence on a stand alone computer or network not attached to the internet. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.

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