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kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:24:00 - [1] The times has an article here Now this is taking the ****, Big brother indeed. And not only that, but these procedures may be adopted in other EU countries, as our home security office is trying to convince other nations to do the same. Another step on the road to popular revolt I say.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:30:00 - [2] I sense a business opportunity in encryption software. ____________________
AmosTrask Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:31:00 - [3] Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. -------------------------------------
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:32:00 - [4] Originally by: kor anon The times has an article here Now this is taking the ****, Big brother indeed. And not only that, but these procedures may be adopted in other EU countries, as our home security office is trying to convince other nations to do the same. Another step on the road to popular revolt I say. Encryption -------------------------------------------
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:33:00 - [5] Edited by: Shanzem on 04/01/2009 17:36:26 Edited by: Shanzem on 04/01/2009 17:35:06 Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. A police man/women (sorry pc state) job is to capture criminals. and if you haven't noticed your ALL criminals in one way or another. in doing this they protect the innocent. by calling you all criminals. your all suspects. Don`t believe me talk to your local bobby! -------------------------------------------
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:37:00 - [6] Edited by: Elliot Reid on 04/01/2009 17:38:20 As for encryption, if the police were to suspect you of a crime and you would not decrypt the data then I think thats a little like failing to give a breath sample when stopped for suspicion of drink driving. The failing to decrypt is treated the same as having incriminating stuff. As I'm no legal expert, no really I'm not, I will not stake my life on this, but I'm sure I read something along these lines a while back. _______________________________________ Atheism, a non-prophet organisation
AmosTrask Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:37:00 - [7] Edited by: AmosTrask on 04/01/2009 17:38:44 Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. A police mans job is to capture criminals. and if you haven't noticed your ALL criminals in one way or another. Please don't make me quote the article...just scan the facts. And the with the increase of population they need more and more ways to keep tabs on us all, if you haven't noticed they are well out numbered at the moment -------------------------------------
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:37:00 - [8] Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. This is exactly the attitude that has created this problem. Everyone has something to hide. Everyone. I do. So do you. Do does my family, my friends, my dog, etc. People tend to appreciate their secrets remaining secrets. And even if it were only used to persecute "the guilty" as you so eloquently assert, the systems are then in place to possibly persecute anyone, at the whim of whoever controls it. ____________________
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:38:00 - [9] Can anyone recommend some encryption software? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:38:00 - [10] Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. O really? bet you wont be saying that if the government adopts polices to quash the naysayers, and accusing you of sedition merely for critisizing the government.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Elliot Reid As for encryption, if the police were to suspect you of a crime and you would not decrypt the data then I think thats a little like failing to give a breath sample when stopped for suspicion of drink driving. The failing to decrypt is treated the same as failing a breath test. As I'm no legal expert, no really I'm not, I will not stake my life on this, but I'm sure I read something along these lines a while back. You can have hidden partitions. So you would decrypt the visible volume, but there would be no evidence of that volume containing a hidden partition within it. I use a program called TrueCrypt which offers this feature. I'm not telling you if I've used it however. ____________________
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Arianhod Can anyone recommend some encryption software? TrueCrypt ____________________
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Elliot Reid As for encryption, if the police were to suspect you of a crime and you would not decrypt the data then I think thats a little like failing to give a breath sample when stopped for suspicion of drink driving. The failing to decrypt is treated the same as failing a breath test. As I'm no legal expert, no really I'm not, I will not stake my life on this, but I'm sure I read something along these lines a while back. That is absolutely disgusting, what about the data protection act? i would say you should keep your mouth closed and demand a lawyer, but **** do that and your already giving yourself up to them. -------------------------------------------
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:42:00 - [14] Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: Elliot Reid As for encryption, if the police were to suspect you of a crime and you would not decrypt the data then I think thats a little like failing to give a breath sample when stopped for suspicion of drink driving. The failing to decrypt is treated the same as failing a breath test. As I'm no legal expert, no really I'm not, I will not stake my life on this, but I'm sure I read something along these lines a while back. That is absolutely disgusting, what about the data protection act? i would say you should keep your mouth closed and demand a lawyer, but **** do that and your already giving yourself up to them. Don't worry - read my post about hidden partitions. ____________________
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:42:00 - [15] Edited by: Shanzem on 04/01/2009 17:46:43 Originally by: AmosTrask Edited by: AmosTrask on 04/01/2009 17:38:44 Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. A police mans job is to capture criminals. and if you haven't noticed your ALL criminals in one way or another. Please don't make me quote the article...just scan the facts. And the with the increase of population they need more and more ways to keep tabs on us all, if you haven't noticed they are well out numbered at the moment Ermm sorry TABS? I hope that's a joke post.. really I do. Thinking like that is going to erode all your rights. Never TRUST your government or police. Church hill was spot on with his thinking. (FFS Japan hurry up with cloning we need our church hill back) The English are becoming no better then the **** they defeated during the world wars. We aren't prosecuting jews, we call the muslims in stead. we invade there homes. took all there oil and but an evil regime in control of there land. -------------------------------------------
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:43:00 - [16] Edited by: Arianhod on 04/01/2009 17:44:21 Testing out Truecrypt now.... Sorry, why should the Police keep tabs on the general population? Isn't their job to solve crimes (ha!) and to prevent it (again - HA!)? They have bigger issues than keeping us afraid, such as dealing with yob culture... Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:45:00 - [17] Wasn't there a time when police used to be servants of the people? When law enforcement was a secondary priority? ____________________
AmosTrask Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:46:00 - [18] bah.. leaves thread -------------------------------------
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:49:00 - [19] Edited by: Shanzem on 04/01/2009 17:51:10 Originally by: ReaperOfSly Wasn't there a time when police used to be servants of the people? When law enforcement was a secondary priority? That x1000 Your local bobby would give you a clip round your ear when you was a kid "That`s before you think about doing something young en" Could also talk to him and have a friendly chat. I wouldn't dream of doing that. I wouldn't DARE speak to an officer there some many reason to not look or even acknowledged there existence. Its scary. -------------------------------------------
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: ReaperOfSly Wasn't there a time when police used to be servants of the people? When law enforcement was a secondary priority? That x1000 /me gets out guitar A long, long time ago, I can still remember... Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: ReaperOfSly Wasn't there a time when police used to be servants of the people? When law enforcement was a secondary priority? That x1000 /me gets out guitar A long, long time ago, I can still remember... Its pathetic my kids (when I get married) are going to hate every inch of me if i stay in this country. No rights no freedoms. -------------------------------------------
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:57:00 - [22] Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: ReaperOfSly Wasn't there a time when police used to be servants of the people? When law enforcement was a secondary priority? That x1000 /me gets out guitar A long, long time ago, I can still remember... Its pathetic my kids (when I get married) are going to hate every inch of me if i stay in this country. No rights no freedoms. I don't think you need to worry about that. ____________________
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 18:00:00 - [23] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. O really? bet you wont be saying that if the government adopts polices to quash the naysayers, and accusing you of sedition merely for criticizing the government. That right there. remember you already cannot picket out side of parliament or ANYWHERE in England that they say. Howe long until you cannot even voice your own opinion in your own home? -------------------------------------------
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 18:01:00 - [24] Edited by: Shanzem on 04/01/2009 18:02:21 Edited by: Shanzem on 04/01/2009 18:01:49 Originally by: ReaperOfSly I don't think you need to worry about that. I will be out of England soon What getting married? Or staying in the UK -------------------------------------------
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.04 18:36:00 - [25] Edited by: Xen Gin on 04/01/2009 18:36:50 Originally by: Elliot Reid Edited by: Elliot Reid on 04/01/2009 17:38:20 As for encryption, if the police were to suspect you of a crime and you would not decrypt the data then I think thats a little like failing to give a breath sample when stopped for suspicion of drink driving. The failing to decrypt is treated the same as having incriminating stuff. As I'm no legal expert, no really I'm not, I will not stake my life on this, but I'm sure I read something along these lines a while back. It's treated only as Obstruction of Justice. Because people do actually forget passwords, you can't incriminate them on it. Originally by: ReaperOfSly You can have hidden partitions. So you would decrypt the visible volume, but there would be no evidence of that volume containing a hidden partition within it. I use a program called TrueCrypt which offers this feature. I'm not telling you if I've used it however. Detecting encrypted/hidden volumes is actually quite easy to do. I've done it a few times. What's this a 180GB drive with only a 100GB partition, I wonder where the rest is? However the obvious difficulty is obtaining the key. Also, If the Security Services were going to 'hack' you (which they don't, they just get you to install a back-door), it's probably not going to end up in court where a defence barrister cross examines the Forensic Expert for the prosecution and says, "Well his system was compromised, can you be 100% sure it wasn't planted!?", and "Can you be 100% sure that it was the suspect using the computer at the time?". At which point you have a seed of doubt, and the case is probably over. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Ivana Drake	Posted - 2009.01.04 19:04:00 - [26] Quote: He said the authorities could break into a suspectÆs home or office and insert a ôkey-loggingö device into an individualÆs computer. This would collect and, if necessary, transmit details of all the suspectÆs keystrokes. ôItÆs just like putting a secret camera in someoneÆs living room,ö he said. Well for a start, they have to actually visit your home for that. You'd have to be pretty suspect for them to bother... Quote: police could park outside a suspectÆs home and hack into his or her hard drive using the wireless network. Even with WPA wireless encryption? Wouldn't that take like, forever? And again for them to come park outside your house means they have to have something on you already... Quote: Police might also send an e-mail to a suspectÆs computer. The message would include an attachment that contained a virus or ômalwareö. If the attachment was opened, the remote search facility would be covertly activated. 'If'
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 19:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: ReaperOfSly You can have hidden partitions. So you would decrypt the visible volume, but there would be no evidence of that volume containing a hidden partition within it. I use a program called TrueCrypt which offers this feature. I'm not telling you if I've used it however. Detecting encrypted/hidden volumes is actually quite easy to do. I've done it a few times. What's this a 180GB drive with only a 100GB partition, I wonder where the rest is? However the obvious difficulty is obtaining the key. The point is, you don't see that only 100GB is used. Say you have a 180GB encrypted volume. Inside that volume, you can place a 80GB hidden volume which uses a different password to the outer volume. Now, all your enemy can see is that there is a 180GB encrypted volume on the hard drive. If he forces you to tell him the password, you tell him the password to the outer volume. When it's open, it looks like a 180GB partition with just under 100GB of data on it, and 80GB free space. He takes the data and goes home happy. If you had used the other password, it would have opened up the hidden partition which just looks like a 80GB partition, and this is where you keep the really juicy stuff. The only problem with this system is that if your enemy tries to write a file to the outer volume, you risk corrupting the hidden volume. ____________________
vostok Minmatar Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.04 19:24:00 - [28] Oh man that really sucks :( I think I'll go about setting up a file server for all of my, erm, legal stuff. I think the microwave would be a good location for the HD cage - Adaptation is not* an excuse for lack of ballance!* -
Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.04 19:29:00 - [29] Awesome. What software do they use to do this? Does it have any buffer over run flaws? Can I leave an interesting file for them that when they look at it via their 'remote search' it will blow the **** up and randomly encrypt parts of their local file system, or even better, periodically post the files they're looking at onto usenet... ~~~~ There is no parody in this thread. Honest.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.01.04 19:36:00 - [30] I wonder how many people are going to put documents entitled "big drug buy plan" and fill it with insults and profanities for the police to find on their computers. In all seriousness this is opening a huge can of worms. It only takes one crooked cop to plant incrimidating evidence on your computer, come back and say your a thief. The funny thing is though that serious criminals were adapt by merely keeping any crimidating evidence on a stand alone computer or network not attached to the internet. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 19:37:00 - [31] Edited by: Arianhod on 04/01/2009 19:37:31 Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 19:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Arianhod Edited by: Arianhod on 04/01/2009 19:37:31 /Thread -------------------------------------------
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 19:58:00 - [33] I myself am planning on doing bogus video files of copyrighted works, and replacing them with Rick Astley videos on loops. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Arianhod I myself am planning on doing bogus video files of copyrighted works, and replacing them with Rick Astley videos on loops. enjoy your prison **** for wasting an officers time
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:02:00 - [35] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Arianhod I myself am planning on doing bogus video files of copyrighted works, and replacing them with Rick Astley videos on loops. enjoy your prison **** for wasting an officers time Would the fact I didn't do Chocolate Rain count for lenient time? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:06:00 - [36] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Arianhod I myself am planning on doing bogus video files of copyrighted works, and replacing them with Rick Astley videos on loops. enjoy your prison **** for wasting an officers time Would the fact I didn't do Chocolate Rain count for lenient time? Well instead of a big black man you'd get a weedy ginger guy, both pretty bad tbh
Glarion Garnier Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:11:00 - [37] Originally by: AmosTrask Edited by: AmosTrask on 04/01/2009 17:38:44 Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. A police mans job is to capture criminals. and if you haven't noticed your ALL criminals in one way or another. Please don't make me quote the article...just scan the facts. And the with the increase of population they need more and more ways to keep tabs on us all, if you haven't noticed they are well out numbered at the moment What organization do you work for MI5 or the feds? _________________________________ -be vary of the men behind the curtain-
Glarion Garnier Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:14:00 - [38] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Wasn't there a time when police used to be servants of the people? When law enforcement was a secondary priority? In uk they are servants to the queen. .You live in illusions buddy. only in certain countries do they serve the ppl. _________________________________ -be vary of the men behind the curtain-
Glarion Garnier Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:15:00 - [39] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. This is exactly the attitude that has created this problem. Everyone has something to hide. Everyone. I do. So do you. Do does my family, my friends, my dog, etc. People tend to appreciate their secrets remaining secrets. And even if it were only used to persecute "the guilty" as you so eloquently assert, the systems are then in place to possibly persecute anyone, at the whim of whoever controls it. Such system is in place to see who is planing to go against the system. That is it's main function. Terrorist is you _________________________________ -be vary of the men behind the curtain-
EnslaverOfMinmatar	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Ivana Drake Even with WPA wireless encryption? Wouldn't that take like, forever? And again for them to come park outside your house means they have to have something on you already... Just wait till england starts manufacturing it's own wi-fi cards with backdoors in them and makes possession of all other wi-fi cards a crime. uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:26:00 - [41] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar Originally by: Ivana Drake Even with WPA wireless encryption? Wouldn't that take like, forever? And again for them to come park outside your house means they have to have something on you already... Just wait till england starts manufacturing it's own wi-fi cards with backdoors in them and makes possession of all other wi-fi cards a crime. Nope they will go to all major manufactures and use a hardware method -------------------------------------------
vostok Minmatar Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:27:00 - [42] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Arianhod I myself am planning on doing bogus video files of copyrighted works, and replacing them with Rick Astley videos on loops. enjoy your prison **** for wasting an officers time I would argue that they were wasting their own time. - Adaptation is not* an excuse for lack of ballance!* -
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:28:00 - [43] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar Originally by: Ivana Drake Even with WPA wireless encryption? Wouldn't that take like, forever? And again for them to come park outside your house means they have to have something on you already... Just wait till england starts manufacturing it's own wi-fi cards with backdoors in them and makes possession of all other wi-fi cards a crime. At this point, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland declare independence and form the Federal Republic of Britain. In a domino effect, Regions of Northern England declare independence and join slowly progressing south. In a panic, London either declares war as the Republic outnumbers the Kingdom or accepts this and joins itself. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:30:00 - [44] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar Originally by: Ivana Drake Even with WPA wireless encryption? Wouldn't that take like, forever? And again for them to come park outside your house means they have to have something on you already... Just wait till england starts manufacturing it's own wi-fi cards with backdoors in them and makes possession of all other wi-fi cards a crime. At this point, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland declare independence and form the Federal Republic of Britain. In a domino effect, Regions of Northern England declare independence and join slowly progressing south. In a panic, London either declares war as the Republic outnumbers the Kingdom or accepts this and joins itself. we can dream. -------------------------------------------
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar Originally by: Ivana Drake Even with WPA wireless encryption? Wouldn't that take like, forever? And again for them to come park outside your house means they have to have something on you already... Just wait till england starts manufacturing it's own wi-fi cards with backdoors in them and makes possession of all other wi-fi cards a crime. At this point, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland declare independence and form the Federal Republic of Britain. In a domino effect, Regions of Northern England declare independence and join slowly progressing south. In a panic, London either declares war as the Republic outnumbers the Kingdom or accepts this and joins itself. we can dream. well tbh scotland has an awful lot of freedoms away from central goverment at the moment, so essentially they could leave at any moment without much trouble. plus with the added bonus of brown being left on his lonesome
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:35:00 - [46] Originally by: kor anon well tbh scotland has an awful lot of freedoms away from central goverment at the moment, so essentially they could leave at any moment without much trouble. plus with the added bonus of brown being left on his lonesome Technically, if we did declare independence the Conservatives would win the next election. The thing to do would be getting regions of northern England to join Scotland (or some other name, doesn't really matter) and thus bail out from the UK's ****ups. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Nuala Reece Caldari Starlancers	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:38:00 - [47] Originally by: Ivana Drake And again for them to come park outside your house means they have to have something on you already... Only 'suspicion', which can be a long, long way from 'evidence'. And combine this power with the proposed database of UK citizen's internet and phone use, under the planned Communications Data Bill and you've got a ready made formula for 'suspecting' large numbers of people who've committed no crime.
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:39:00 - [48] Originally by: Nuala Reece Originally by: Ivana Drake And again for them to come park outside your house means they have to have something on you already... Only 'suspicion', which can be a long, long way from 'evidence'. And combine this power with the proposed database of UK citizen's internet and phone use, under the planned Communications Data Bill and you've got a ready made formula for 'suspecting' large numbers of people who've committed no crime. And its get worse. -------------------------------------------
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:41:00 - [49] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: kor anon well tbh scotland has an awful lot of freedoms away from central goverment at the moment, so essentially they could leave at any moment without much trouble. plus with the added bonus of brown being left on his lonesome Technically, if we did declare independence the Conservatives would win the next election. The thing to do would be getting regions of northern England to join Scotland (or some other name, doesn't really matter) and thus bail out from the UK's ****ups. Thats what i was getting at, Scotland is Brown's chief constituency, lets let someone else 'save the world'
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:47:00 - [50] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: kor anon well tbh scotland has an awful lot of freedoms away from central goverment at the moment, so essentially they could leave at any moment without much trouble. plus with the added bonus of brown being left on his lonesome Technically, if we did declare independence the Conservatives would win the next election. The thing to do would be getting regions of northern England to join Scotland (or some other name, doesn't really matter) and thus bail out from the UK's ****ups. Thats what i was getting at, Scotland is Brown's chief constituency, lets let someone else 'save the world' Aye, thats the thing - Labor is also too powerful here, can you imagine what it would be like living in a place where they are the virtually uncontested party Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:51:00 - [51] I see a problem with this. There are many things or people's computers that could be misinterpreted. Let's think outside the torrents collection for a minute. What if you take a picture of your but naked baby and store it on your computer. As a parent you might not even realize the baby is but naked. But then some policeman browse your folders, finds the pic and labels you pedobear. Or lets say you are writing a novel about a fictional war... they find it and think it's a terrorist manifesto or something... bad bad bad
vostok Minmatar Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:51:00 - [52] Though I hate to really believe it, I keep getting this V for Vendetta feel every time I hear something stupid like this. I can really believe some **** like that might happen in the foreseeable future. - Adaptation is not* an excuse for lack of ballance!* -
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:52:00 - [53] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: kor anon well tbh scotland has an awful lot of freedoms away from central goverment at the moment, so essentially they could leave at any moment without much trouble. plus with the added bonus of brown being left on his lonesome Technically, if we did declare independence the Conservatives would win the next election. The thing to do would be getting regions of northern England to join Scotland (or some other name, doesn't really matter) and thus bail out from the UK's **ups. Thats what i was getting at, Scotland is Brown's chief constituency, lets let someone else 'save the world' Aye, thats the thing - Labor is also too powerful here, can you imagine what it would be like living in a place where they are the virtually uncontested party I ing hate the party system i really do, just a bunch of rich **s with no real differing views or 'changes' that they bang on about. They act like schoolboys in parliament, all the while hoarding their wealth (they still decide pay rises, imo this should be directed by a seperate orgnisation)
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:53:00 - [54] The above is indeed a good point. How many parents take pictures of their children in the bath when said child has noticed what s/he can do with bubbles? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:55:00 - [55] Originally by: Arianhod The above is indeed a good point. How many parents take pictures of their children in the bath when said child has noticed what s/he can do with bubbles? Don't you know, anyone in the UK who has an interest/contact/job (if male) that involves kids is a paedophile
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:56:00 - [56] Originally by: kor anon They act like schoolboys in parliament, all the while hoarding their wealth (they still decide pay rises, imo this should be directed by a seperate orgnisation) Those in favour of forming and independent review panel for MP wages changes say Aye. "..." Those opposed "ROAR" We should have thought this thing through a bit more Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 20:59:00 - [57] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Arianhod The above is indeed a good point. How many parents take pictures of their children in the bath when said child has noticed what s/he can do with bubbles? Don't you know, anyone in the UK who has an interest/contact/job (if male) that involves kids is a paedophile I recall an incident when a paediatricians house was vandalised because they got the definition wrong.... Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 21:00:00 - [58] So the hacking methods mentioned, we have: Hijacking your wireless network Sending keylogger software as an email attachment Breaking in and installing a keylogger So basically, the only people who need to worry about this are morons on unsecured WiFi, and who happily open .exe files from an unknown email sender. Installing a physical keylogger would require a warrant anyway. Some real hardcore "hacking" here. I just hope they don't start employing anyone who knows what they're doing. Oh wait - they can't! They can't afford a real hacker because they get chuff all funding. Yay! Big Brother is underfunded! ____________________
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 21:01:00 - [59] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Some real hardcore "hacking" here. I just hope they don't start employing anyone who knows what they're doing. Oh wait - they can't! They can't afford a real hacker because they get chuff all funding. Yay! Big Brother is underfunded! /b[ig] /b[rother]. We have allies on the inside it seems Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.04 21:02:00 - [60] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Arianhod The above is indeed a good point. How many parents take pictures of their children in the bath when said child has noticed what s/he can do with bubbles? Don't you know, anyone in the UK who has an interest/contact/job (if male) that involves kids is a paedophile I recall an incident when a paediatricians house was vandalised because they got the definition wrong.... Yeah that was near where I was living at the time. ____________________
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.04 21:06:00 - [61] Originally by: Glarion Garnier Originally by: ReaperOfSly Wasn't there a time when police used to be servants of the people? When law enforcement was a secondary priority? In uk they are servants to the queen. .You live in illusions buddy. only in certain countries do they serve the ppl. They were first created by John Peel and called 'Peelers' and were there to serve the public. However, their first prority was always law enforcement, it's what the organisation was created to do. Even now, they are not classed as 'civil servants' but 'public servants' and therefore technically still serve the public rather than the queen. The fact that they wear the queens insignia means nothing except that they are sanctioned by the queen. It would be like saying RSPCA are the queens servant just because they have the word Royal in their organisation name and bear the queens seal of approval. Since the Magna Carta is our only bill of rights, it is wise to know it. Quote: We have granted also, and given to all the Freemen of our Realm, for Us and our Heirs for ever, these Liberties under-written, to have and to hold to them and their Heirs, of Us and our Heirs for ever. The above states that the rules put forward in the Magna Carta cannot be revoked. Anyone looking at the rules will notice that many already have been repealed. In effect, this can be interpreted as an illegal act in itself. Quote: Clause 38 requires more than the mere word of an official, before any person could be put on trial. So the police can hack in and look at illegal stuff on your computer all day. There's nothing they can do about it since they are classed as officials. That was included to protect people from corrupt officials who would charge you without evidence on their word alone. It also protected you from having evidence planted by officials. Hacking is illegal under the data protection act. This act would include authorities hacking as information on any machine, even a private one is protected under this act. To enforce this, they would have to repeal the data protection act. To enforce this, one would need only to have sensitive data like a list of phone numbers on their PC, even a backup of your mobile contacts list. Even the police are subject to this law. Also, the can of worms that someone else suggested. What is to stop anyone saying that any incriminating evidence had been planted by the person hacking in? The onus would be on them to prove it wasn't planted. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.04 21:23:00 - [62] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: ReaperOfSly You can have hidden partitions. So you would decrypt the visible volume, but there would be no evidence of that volume containing a hidden partition within it. I use a program called TrueCrypt which offers this feature. I'm not telling you if I've used it however. Detecting encrypted/hidden volumes is actually quite easy to do. I've done it a few times. What's this a 180GB drive with only a 100GB partition, I wonder where the rest is? However the obvious difficulty is obtaining the key. The point is, you don't see that only 100GB is used. Say you have a 180GB encrypted volume. Inside that volume, you can place a 80GB hidden volume which uses a different password to the outer volume. Now, all your enemy can see is that there is a 180GB encrypted volume on the hard drive. If he forces you to tell him the password, you tell him the password to the outer volume. When it's open, it looks like a 180GB partition with just under 100GB of data on it, and 80GB free space. He takes the data and goes home happy. If you had used the other password, it would have opened up the hidden partition which just looks like a 80GB partition, and this is where you keep the really juicy stuff. The only problem with this system is that if your enemy tries to write a file to the outer volume, you risk corrupting the hidden volume. Yes, for the stupid people who just want to "see the files", but I've used forensic tools that will tell us straight off that data is encrypted. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Davina Braben	Posted - 2009.01.04 21:50:00 - [63] Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it.
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 21:54:00 - [64] Edited by: Arianhod on 04/01/2009 21:53:54 Originally by: Davina Braben Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. Come now, the concept of "better 10 guilty walk free than one innocent incarcerated" was thrown out the window a while back. Get with the times man Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.04 21:58:00 - [65] Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. How do ID cards protect the innocent? In fact if anything they will give terrorists a cover of legitimacy. ID cards are just supposed to confirm the identity of the person carrying the card. It won't do anything for security, it won't protect the innocent, it won't make us feel safe. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.04 22:59:00 - [66] Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. Ok little bug. You better pray the giant does not tread on you, for all the good it will do you. shin ku myo u
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2009.01.04 23:11:00 - [67] Have fun with the planted evidence on your PCs guys! I have been wondering lately whether they put something in your drinking water in the UK (tranquilizers?) with all the stuff people are enduring there without getting upset, protesting (yeah I know it's not allowed anymore when it would be effective), riots etc. ... Maybe it's just the estrogene from the Pill that made the Brits' balls shrivel away. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 23:23:00 - [68] Edited by: Shanzem on 04/01/2009 23:24:48 Originally by: Pan Crastus Have fun with the planted evidence on your PCs guys! I have been wondering lately whether they put something in your drinking water in the UK (tranquilizers?) with all the stuff people are enduring there without getting upset, protesting (yeah I know it's not allowed anymore when it would be effective), riots etc. ... Maybe it's just the estrogene from the Pill that made the Brits' balls shrivel away. Its called Alcohol, Look up drinking culture and binge drinking. But then this coming back to the English man`s dream isn't it? -------------------------------------------
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.04 23:31:00 - [69] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. How do ID cards protect the innocent? In fact if anything they will give terrorists a cover of legitimacy. ID cards are just supposed to confirm the identity of the person carrying the card. It won't do anything for security, it won't protect the innocent, it won't make us feel safe. Well said. @AmosTrask It's true that a lot of terrorists have been living in this country for years. Re: The Doctor in the Glasgow airport bombing attempt. How would his holding an ID card prevent this, how would it help police catch him? We already have an ID card system in place the same as any other country in the world. It's called a passport, why whould we need an expensive bit of plastic as well? The UK gov't has been trying to find more and more ways to make us part with our money and put it in their pockets, the ID card is just another one of those scams. If they really ant us to have one, issue one with no expense to us. If they are so adamant that it will help them combat terrorism and crime, this would be a small price for them to pay. The amount they say they would save on investigation would be worth it. Jail or not, I refuse to carry one and I have absolutely nothing to hide as the 10 year vetting for my SIA license proved. I have already said I won't be updating that when it runs out, I resent paying ú300 to the government to allow me to work in a job I've been doing for years before the licenses came out. The recent scandal about so many illegals getting SIA licenses proved it doesn't work anyway. It's just more documents and personal information about us for hte government departments to "lose". -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Nuala Reece Caldari Starlancers	Posted - 2009.01.04 23:49:00 - [70] Originally by: Pan Crastus I have been wondering lately whether they put something in your drinking water in the UK (tranquilizers?) with all the stuff people are enduring there without getting upset, protesting (yeah I know it's not allowed anymore when it would be effective), riots etc. ... Maybe it's just the estrogene from the Pill that made the Brits' balls shrivel away. Like Robert Anton Wilson said (although not about the Brits but it seems we haven't been too far behind) we've been domesticated, like chickens, to the point of idiocy - chickens still know they should hide behind a bush if there's a threat but they've been bred so stupid they still carry on cluck-cluck-clucking loudly from their cunning hiding place. Originally by: Dantes Revenge We already have an ID card system in place the same as any other country in the world. It's called a passport, why whould we need an expensive bit of plastic as well? The UK gov't has been trying to find more and more ways to make us part with our money and put it in their pockets, the ID card is just another one of those scams. If they really ant us to have one, issue one with no expense to us. If they are so adamant that it will help them combat terrorism and crime, this would be a small price for them to pay. The amount they say they would save on investigation would be worth it. Jail or not, I refuse to carry one and I have absolutely nothing to hide as the 10 year vetting for my SIA license proved. I have already said I won't be updating that when it runs out, I resent paying ú300 to the government to allow me to work in a job I've been doing for years before the licenses came out. The recent scandal about so many illegals getting SIA licenses proved it doesn't work anyway. It's just more documents and personal information about us for hte government departments to "lose". Likewise - every time I've gone for a job in care, or moved positions in my current job, I've gone for an 'enhanced disclosure' where my records are checked for criminal convictions or even allegations that could suggest I'm not a suitable person to work with vulnerable people. This year, though, I'll also be asked to 'volunteer' to go on the ID register - this won't actually add any further protection for the people I work with than is already in place but if I refuse to go on the register I won't be able to apply for my enhanced disclosure and, as a result, would not be able to continue in my chosen profession of the last 15 years. The only difference thi will make is to coerce me into signing up to an expensive and unpopular scheme, gather more personal information from me than I was required to provide for a disclosure and then, at a time of Gordon Brown's choosing, sell that information on to private companies for marketting purposes (unless, of course, someone in the civil services looses it first). It's really a straw too much for me - I spend a good part of my working life encouraging vulnerable children to stand up against bullying and am now facing a situation where my own government is effectively attempting to bully me into their ID scheme. If the government really believe their much used maxim 'if people have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear' it makes me wonder why they feel the need to edge the ID register in with so much sly and underhanded behaviour. Not for me thanks.
kendo Collins Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp	Posted - 2009.01.05 00:38:00 - [71] Of course any government wants to have information on its citizens and up to a point it can be helpful however its the bad things the losing of such info carelessly which is a real worry. It all feels like an unstopable train in 10 years i forsee dna taken in one way or another of the whole population, a good thing perhaps? Now fast forward say 20 years in time and hypothetically a new government which lets just say wants complete control over the individuals in the state. What a wonderful amount of data they will have and if they dont like you because your either ie: welsh,moslim,gay,etc then id guess youd better start living in the woods. ps welsh here only
Kakuremichi	Posted - 2009.01.05 01:24:00 - [72] Originally by: ReaperOfSly So the hacking methods mentioned, we have: Hijacking your wireless network Sending keylogger software as an email attachment Breaking in and installing a keylogger So basically, the only people who need to worry about this are morons on broadcast SSID, non mac-address locked wireless networks, and who happily open .exe files from an unknown email sender. Installing a physical keylogger would require a warrant anyway. Some real hardcore "hacking" here. I just hope they don't start employing anyone who knows what they're doing. Oh wait - they can't! They can't afford a real hacker because they get chuff all funding. Yay! Big Brother is underfunded! Bold = correction, encryption on wireless isn't that hard to crack with dedicated software, as the router and device have to send the code to each other to verify the packets they are sending as authorized, a sniffer program can find this and apply it within 10minutes last time I checked. I meddled with truecrypt, but I found it very difficult to use without a lot of fiddling
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2009.01.05 01:35:00 - [73] Originally by: Arianhod Can anyone recommend some encryption software? i would help you, but i dont need it, as i dont live in the UK man, that sucks. . . . . i thought red light cameras were bad here in the US . . . . or do they have those in the UK to? Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.05 01:50:00 - [74] Yesterday I was talking to some people and I said the UK is one of the most oppressive countries in the world and they didn't understand what I was talking about. HAHAHAHA This is just fantastic. All those who think that only criminals have something to hide will realise soon that EVERYONE is a criminal the moment the government decides they are and there is nothing they can do about it because they so readily gave up their freedom. Oh look at those poor Lybians, they have it so bad and yet you should start envying them now. Enjoy your Na-zi state.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.01.05 02:05:00 - [75] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 05/01/2009 01:45:55 Originally by: Arianhod Can anyone recommend some encryption software? i would help you, but ive never needed it, as i dont live in the UK man, that sucks. . . . . i thought red light cameras were bad here in the US . . . . or do they have those in the UK to? We've got speed cameras to check whether we're going over the speed limit when we drive, and ones to detect whether our cars are insured properly and stuff, so simmilar things I guess. Seriously, the government are ******s, the lot of them. Then they wonder why we hate them. Granted, as the public that's our duty, but this is just ridiculous.
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.05 02:43:00 - [76] Originally by: kor anon The times has an article here Now this is taking the ****, Big brother indeed. And not only that, but these procedures may be adopted in other EU countries, as our home security office is trying to convince other nations to do the same. Another step on the road to popular revolt I say. and this is why america is awsome maybe i shouldn't of jumped through that gate
Cierejai Caldari BlackSite Prophecy	Posted - 2009.01.05 02:44:00 - [77] Well the simple solution is to simple not break the law. If you don't break the law then you don't have a problem. Don't know why this is so hard for people to understand.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:24:00 - [78] Originally by: Cierejai Well the simple solution is to simple not break the law. If you don't break the law then you don't have a problem. Don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. I don't think is that simple... there are so many silly laws that you are bound to break some sooner or later.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:27:00 - [79] Originally by: Pan Crastus Have fun with the planted evidence on your PCs guys! ... Bingo... I don't know how I missed that myself... pretty scary indeed.
ouroboros trading Gallente Medics On Fire	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:33:00 - [80] Originally by: Cierejai Well the simple solution is to simple not break the law. If you don't break the law then you don't have a problem. Don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. you've obviously never broken the law, and thus don't know how damn good it feels 66891? That's Numberwang!
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:37:00 - [81] Originally by: Cierejai Well the simple solution is to simple not break the law. If you don't break the law then you don't have a problem. Don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. You're missing the point. Governments are stepping way out of bounds for OUR safety. Violating everyones rights just to please some small brained idiots who have a SEVERE distrust of, well pretty much everyone else and anything they don't (or simply refuse to) understand. It's great this grand policed world that we're making for our children. Soon we won't have to worry about educating them or raising them because the state will tell you what to do. Hell, I'm gonna start bubble wrapping everything just so all the mouth-breathers can frolic about without denting their soft heads. Because (repeat after me) We're all a bunch of idiots who can't take care of ourselves at all. Please save us o wise and terrible oz. George was right. The future is here. I'm still looking at islands to buy... shin ku myo u
Epideme	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:42:00 - [82] The thing I find really amusing is that the more these "improvements to public safety and security" are implemented, I don't see any decrease in my chances of being knifed, muggged, abused or gunned down in the street.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:45:00 - [83] Originally by: Cierejai Well the simple solution is to simple not break the law. If you don't break the law then you don't have a problem. Don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. Now which one of the dozen or so generalised laws that everyone knows about but ignores? I'm talking about the ones that enable a police officer to stop you in your car and have you done even though your car has only just passed an MOT, has tax and insurance and you have a full license? Yes a copper even told me he could find something on my car to have me fined for even though it was 100% legal. The ones that also allow a copper to stop you in the street and take you for questioning 'on suspicion' and hold you (imprisonment) for up to 72 hours even though he knows you've done nothing wrong? The ones that can allow photo evidence to nail you because you just happened to be in the right place at the wrong time? Or could it be the ones that allow a copper to arrest you and take away your car (theft) because DVLA lost your license details and now show you as only having a provisional license? I fell victim to that one after driving on a full license for over 9 years. For reasons of security, I do not carry my license with me and only after that I realised I'd left it at my abusive ex wifes house when I left her. She's probably destroyed it along with the rest of my stuff I left behind and I have no idea wher she's moved to. Maybe you won't be so smug if a government organisation decides to lose your details resulting in you breaking the law doing something you've always been entitled to do before. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:52:00 - [84] Originally by: Epideme The thing I find really amusing is that the more these "improvements to public safety and security" are implemented, I don't see any decrease in my chances of being knifed, muggged, abused or gunned down in the street. That's because it's easier to go after the soft targets who have less rights and are therefore a much easier target for the police. Soon it's going to be more like "I'm arresting you for carrying so much money and inciting others to mug you." -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Epideme	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:54:00 - [85] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: Epideme The thing I find really amusing is that the more these "improvements to public safety and security" are implemented, I don't see any decrease in my chances of being knifed, muggged, abused or gunned down in the street. That's because it's easier to go after the soft targets who have less rights and are therefore a much easier target for the police. Soon it's going to be more like "I'm arresting you for carrying so much money and inciting others to mug you." Indeed, I think a life of crime might actually be easier than working for a living these days and I'm only half joking
Overseer Aliena Caldari Lord of Wars	Posted - 2009.01.05 05:39:00 - [86] Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. I am reminded of a story I was once told a long time ago, although I don't remember most of it. The basis was about a man and his wife. They lived happily. Then men in black coats came along and asked for the man to tell them secrets of people they knew. He obliged happily for he did not worry and felt safe. Each week the men would come back and ask for more secrets and he gave them to the men for he did not worry about it and he felt safe, while the people he knew were taken away. Several weeks went by and before long the man had run out of secrets to tell. The black coat figures grew restless and the man told them secrets of wife, and she was taken away. The man did not worry because he was still safe. The next week the black coats came back and the man pleaded that he had no more information. They felt he was keeping a secret and they hauled him away. The man was worried now, for he was no longer safe, but it was too late now.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2009.01.05 05:51:00 - [87] Originally by: Cierejai Well the simple solution is to simple not break the law. If you don't break the law then you don't have a problem. Don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. In many countries you can easily get arrested and imprisoned without committing a crime. Where I live, animal rights activists were in prison for 100 days because someone thought they knew someone who had committed a crime. They picked out 10 better-known activists and constructed a fictional organization around them and while they had no indication whatsoever that one of them committed a crime, they blamed that fictional organization and incarcerated them. So be careful, perhaps they'll invent the "EVE players terrorist group" next if some EVE player committs a crime and you will be one of the lucky guys selected for prosecution... It's the new breed of anti-terrorism laws that makes this possible. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2009.01.05 05:54:00 - [88] Originally by: Epideme The thing I find really amusing is that the more these "improvements to public safety and security" are implemented, I don't see any decrease in my chances of being knifed, muggged, abused or gunned down in the street. If they took effective measures against crime, people would no longer be so much convinced that there is a need for surveillance etc. ... Modern totalitarian governments need to make themselves necessary in the eyes of the public. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Cierejai Caldari BlackSite Prophecy	Posted - 2009.01.05 06:01:00 - [89] Edited by: Cierejai on 05/01/2009 06:03:14 Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Cierejai Well the simple solution is to simple not break the law. If you don't break the law then you don't have a problem. Don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. In many countries you can easily get arrested and imprisoned without committing a crime. Where I live, animal rights activists were in prison for 100 days because someone thought they knew someone who had committed a crime. They picked out 10 better-known activists and constructed a fictional organization around them and while they had no indication whatsoever that one of them committed a crime, they blamed that fictional organization and incarcerated them. So be careful, perhaps they'll invent the "EVE players terrorist group" next if some EVE player committs a crime and you will be one of the lucky guys selected for prosecution... It's the new breed of anti-terrorism laws that makes this possible. Well I certainly don't enjoy watching uninformed/biased protesters blocking traffic with their propaganda. But it's their right in Canada, unfortunately. Edit: People turn a blind eye to the mistreatment of cows, chickens, etc.. because those animals are raised to be our food, while we are outraged when dogs and cats are mistreated, because we raise those animals to be companions. To be part of our family.
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.05 15:31:00 - [90] Edited by: jason hill on 05/01/2009 15:31:22 in the uk police can do you for NOT having water in your windscreen washer bottle.... suks to be us huh destroy everything you touch
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.05 15:33:00 - [91] Originally by: Arianhod "better 10 guilty walk free than one innocent incarcerated" The most bull**** idea ever
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 16:03:00 - [92] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Arianhod "better 10 guilty walk free than one innocent incarcerated" The most bull**** idea ever Used to be a large part of when writing up laws and was hand in hand with the concept used until recently of "innocent until proven guilty". Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.05 16:09:00 - [93] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Arianhod "better 10 guilty walk free than one innocent incarcerated" The most bull**** idea ever Used to be a large part of when writing up laws and was hand in hand with the concept used until recently of "innocent until proven guilty". yep. I agree with the innocent until proven guilty, but anything more than that is pretty absurd
Bish Ounen Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.05 17:30:00 - [94] Originally by: Shanzem Edited by: Shanzem on 04/01/2009 23:24:48 Originally by: Pan Crastus Have fun with the planted evidence on your PCs guys! I have been wondering lately whether they put something in your drinking water in the UK (tranquilizers?) with all the stuff people are enduring there without getting upset, protesting (yeah I know it's not allowed anymore when it would be effective), riots etc. ... Maybe it's just the estrogene from the Pill that made the Brits' balls shrivel away. Its called Alcohol, Look up drinking culture and binge drinking. But then this coming back to the English man`s dream isn't it? As long as they stick to Alcohol and don't start using the Pax. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 17:37:00 - [95] Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 17:38:14 Originally by: Bish Ounen Originally by: Shanzem Edited by: Shanzem on 04/01/2009 23:24:48 Originally by: Pan Crastus Have fun with the planted evidence on your PCs guys! I have been wondering lately whether they put something in your drinking water in the UK (tranquilizers?) with all the stuff people are enduring there without getting upset, protesting (yeah I know it's not allowed anymore when it would be effective), riots etc. ... Maybe it's just the estrogene from the Pill that made the Brits' balls shrivel away. Its called Alcohol, Look up drinking culture and binge drinking. But then this coming back to the English man`s dream isn't it? As long as they stick to Alcohol and don't start using the Pax. I wish they would use Pax. that way i don't have to feel the pain of watching my country slip into ****, because of the lack of tech savvy adults none of them are seeing the news articles and having no clue about there eroding rights. -------------------------------------------
Ivana Drake	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:07:00 - [96] Originally by: Shanzem I wish they would use Pax. that way i don't have to feel the pain of watching my country slip into ***, because of the lack of tech savvy adults none of them are seeing the news articles and having no clue about there eroding rights. It's mostly since government and media uses key words that we're sensitive to in order to justify their case. Raising tax on alcohol to "combat drink-related crime", censorship of websites to "protect" us from "unsafe content", detaining people without charge to "fight terrorism", speedcameras to "keep the roads safe" etc, and it's like everyone believes it Oh, that recent VAT change? It was supposed* to make things cheaper for us, at least that's why the government told us. Of course they convieniantly forgot that most retailers round their prices up to the nearest ú - 1, so whilst that ú39.99 price did drop to ú39.13 for a few weeks, only now they just raised the EX: VAT accordingly so we're paying the original amount again. Oops.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:10:00 - [97] Originally by: Ivana Drake Originally by: Shanzem I wish they would use Pax. that way i don't have to feel the pain of watching my country slip into ***, because of the lack of tech savvy adults none of them are seeing the news articles and having no clue about there eroding rights. It's mostly since government and media uses key words that we're sensitive to in order to justify their case. Raising tax on alcohol to "combat drink-related crime", censorship of websites to "protect" us from "unsafe content", detaining people without charge to "fight terrorism", speedcameras to "keep the roads safe" etc, and it's like everyone believes it Oh, that recent VAT change? It was supposed* to make things cheaper for us, at least that's why the government told us. Of course they convieniantly forgot that most retailers round their prices up to the nearest ú - 1, so whilst that ú39.99 price did drop to ú39.13 for a few weeks, only now they just raised the EX: VAT accordingly so we're paying the original amount again. Oops. Lol i dont believe people bought that cut in the first place
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:11:00 - [98] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Ivana Drake Originally by: Shanzem I wish they would use Pax. that way i don't have to feel the pain of watching my country slip into ***, because of the lack of tech savvy adults none of them are seeing the news articles and having no clue about there eroding rights. It's mostly since government and media uses key words that we're sensitive to in order to justify their case. Raising tax on alcohol to "combat drink-related crime", censorship of websites to "protect" us from "unsafe content", detaining people without charge to "fight terrorism", speedcameras to "keep the roads safe" etc, and it's like everyone believes it Oh, that recent VAT change? It was supposed* to make things cheaper for us, at least that's why the government told us. Of course they convieniantly forgot that most retailers round their prices up to the nearest ú - 1, so whilst that ú39.99 price did drop to ú39.13 for a few weeks, only now they just raised the EX: VAT accordingly so we're paying the original amount again. Oops. Lol i dont believe people bought that cut in the first place Pretty much. it was a scam. -------------------------------------------
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:12:00 - [99] The VAT cut made me wonder if Mr Darling was smoking one of his eyebrows while penning that particular idea. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:15:00 - [100] Originally by: Arianhod The VAT cut made me wonder if Mr Darling was smoking one of his eyebrows while penning that particular idea. no it was a good idea, for the goverment at least. I expect them to hae thought it through fully, they knew it wouldn't make a difference, and you know what? The majority of the British mob bought it
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:17:00 - [101] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Arianhod The VAT cut made me wonder if Mr Darling was smoking one of his eyebrows while penning that particular idea. no it was a good idea, for the goverment at least. I expect them to hae thought it through fully, they knew it wouldn't make a difference, and you know what? The majority of the British mob bought it Nah the only people who would have brought into that is Chavs, the English adults ma be bad. but even there not that thick.. -------------------------------------------
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:18:00 - [102] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Arianhod The VAT cut made me wonder if Mr Darling was smoking one of his eyebrows while penning that particular idea. no it was a good idea, for the goverment at least. I expect them to hae thought it through fully, they knew it wouldn't make a difference, and you know what? The majority of the British mob bought it Wow! I now save 21p for every ú10 I spend! I will be voting Labour next time (if there is a next time!) Seriously, WTF. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:19:00 - [103] Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 18:19:45 Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Arianhod The VAT cut made me wonder if Mr Darling was smoking one of his eyebrows while penning that particular idea. no it was a good idea, for the goverment at least. I expect them to hae thought it through fully, they knew it wouldn't make a difference, and you know what? The majority of the British mob bought it Wow! I now save 21p for every ú10 I spend! I will be voting Labour next time (if there is a next time!) Seriously, WTF. This i HAVE to see My money is the English do not get a vote. OR labour will win again. Seriously Brown has promised too much to too many corporations. If you think conservatives are getting into power you sadly mistaken. -------------------------------------------
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:21:00 - [104] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Arianhod "better 10 guilty walk free than one innocent incarcerated" The most bull**** idea ever Used to be a large part of when writing up laws and was hand in hand with the concept used until recently of "innocent until proven guilty". yep. I agree with the innocent until proven guilty, but anything more than that is pretty absurd No, you DO NOT agree with innocent until proven guilty, aka the presumption of innocence, because it's the same damn thing as "rather n guilty men go free, then one innocent convicted". Just a different way of saying it. The burden of proof being on the auhtorities is why those guilty go free. Finland no longer upholds the presumption of innocence as supreme either. For certain "crimes", like speeding caught on automated surveillance, they have moved the burden of proof to the owner of the vehicle, and I believe many parts of the western world do the same. First time I read about it, I think it was in Motor Trend or some such magazine and it was from the US, was during the 90's. The picture the guy got fined for was of a government owned pickup truck that for some reason had the same license plate number as the mans sedan, only with different type of plates. At the time I chuckled and thought, that would never happen in my country...
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:31:00 - [105] Originally by: Shanzem Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 18:19:45 Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Arianhod The VAT cut made me wonder if Mr Darling was smoking one of his eyebrows while penning that particular idea. no it was a good idea, for the goverment at least. I expect them to hae thought it through fully, they knew it wouldn't make a difference, and you know what? The majority of the British mob bought it Wow! I now save 21p for every ú10 I spend! I will be voting Labour next time (if there is a next time!) Seriously, WTF. This i HAVE to see My money is the English do not get a vote. OR labour will win again. Seriously Brown has promised too much to too many corporations. If you think conservatives are getting into power you sadly mistaken. Which is why I will be voting for Independence when the Assembly calls the vote. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:31:00 - [106] Well i disagree, the whole purpose of innocent until proven guilty is to stop the authorities placing the burden of proof on you. Essentially they could say on sunday you murdered 2 people, do you have an alibi? If not you're boned.
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:33:00 - [107] Originally by: Xen Gin Which is why I will be voting for Independence when the Assembly calls the vote. Welsh assembly I assume? Don't suppose you would be interested in joining us Scots and the Irish in a Federation perchance? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:34:00 - [108] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: Xen Gin Which is why I will be voting for Independence when the Assembly calls the vote. Welsh assembly I assume? Don't suppose you would be interested in joining us Scots and the Irish in a Federation perchance? You can do it if you want, but as soon as i gain power you'll come crawling back OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!! RAARRR
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:36:00 - [109] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: Xen Gin Which is why I will be voting for Independence when the Assembly calls the vote. Welsh assembly I assume? Don't suppose you would be interested in joining us Scots and the Irish in a Federation perchance? Hell, we'll even call it the Celtic Federation of States for good measure! ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:36:00 - [110] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: Xen Gin Which is why I will be voting for Independence when the Assembly calls the vote. Welsh assembly I assume? Don't suppose you would be interested in joining us Scots and the Irish in a Federation perchance? You can do it if you want, but as soon as i gain power you'll come crawling back OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!! RAARRR /me sends off an invite to Iceland to join this Federation - thus potentialy Bringing CCP into the Federations powah! Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:37:00 - [111] Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 18:37:01 Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: Xen Gin Which is why I will be voting for Independence when the Assembly calls the vote. Welsh assembly I assume? Don't suppose you would be interested in joining us Scots and the Irish in a Federation perchance? Hell, we'll even call it the Celtic Federation of States for good measure! And yet I am stuck with the scum, -------------------------------------------
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:37:00 - [112] Edited by: Xen Gin on 05/01/2009 18:38:32 Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: Xen Gin Which is why I will be voting for Independence when the Assembly calls the vote. Welsh assembly I assume? Don't suppose you would be interested in joining us Scots and the Irish in a Federation perchance? You can do it if you want, but as soon as i gain power you'll come crawling back OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!! RAARRR Have you got a giant fricken laser? Originally by: Shanzem And yet I am stuck with the scum, I'm sure you could try and climb over the border fence, like some sort of Mexican. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:37:00 - [113] Edited by: Arianhod on 05/01/2009 18:38:51 Edited by: Arianhod on 05/01/2009 18:37:59 Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: Xen Gin Which is why I will be voting for Independence when the Assembly calls the vote. Welsh assembly I assume? Don't suppose you would be interested in joining us Scots and the Irish in a Federation perchance? Hell, we'll even call it the Celtic Federation of States for good measure! Why stop at Celtic? Rope in Scandinavia and Iceland We could (like East and West Germany) have an open invite for breakaway regions of England to join us, like Cornwall and Merseyside. Originally by: kor anon You can do it if you want, but as soon as i gain power you'll come crawling back OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!! RAARRR You do realise Scotland has the Trident subs right? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:39:00 - [114] You might as well get your independence recognized and join the EU, the'll be the new superstate if their plans go without a hitch
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:40:00 - [115] Originally by: Xen Gin Have you got a giant fricken laser? No something more powerful, zealotry and a burning desire for total control
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:41:00 - [116] Originally by: Arianhod We could (like East and West Germany) have an open invite for breakaway regions of England to join us, like Cornwall and Merseyside. Cornwall and Devon would go for it. Maybe Merseyside and Cheshire, Gloucestershire. All very useful people (We'd have to train the Liverpudlians up to a better standard I think, but they'd be OK) Plus we'd have Man United and Liverpool in our brand new football league. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:42:00 - [117] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Xen Gin Have you got a giant fricken laser? No something more powerful, zealotry and a burning desire for total control Come back when you got the giant fricken laser then, and only then we might talk. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:43:00 - [118] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Arianhod We could (like East and West Germany) have an open invite for breakaway regions of England to join us, like Cornwall and Merseyside. Cornwall and Devon would go for it. Maybe Merseyside and Cheshire, Gloucestershire. All very useful people (We'd have to train the Liverpudlians up to a better standard I think, but they'd be OK) Plus we'd have Man United and Liverpool in our brand new football league. well guise if your all gonna leave me with only a few counties to rule over i might as come with you
Captain Hudson Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:44:00 - [119] iv nothing to hide, hack away my fuzz friends Iv found him
Thorliaron Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:47:00 - [120] Originally by: mercyonman Originally by: kor anon The times has an article here Now this is taking the ****, Big brother indeed. And not only that, but these procedures may be adopted in other EU countries, as our home security office is trying to convince other nations to do the same. Another step on the road to popular revolt I say. and this is why america is awsome because you can get arrested without reason or probable cause?
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:49:00 - [121] Originally by: Thorliaron Originally by: mercyonman Originally by: kor anon The times has an article here Now this is taking the ****, Big brother indeed. And not only that, but these procedures may be adopted in other EU countries, as our home security office is trying to convince other nations to do the same. Another step on the road to popular revolt I say. and this is why america is awsome because you can get arrested without reason or probable cause? no the fact that americans eat copious amounts of fatty foods renderering them unable to commit crimes, and the poilce unable to catch them
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:53:00 - [122] So, the hastily edited map of the proposed Celtic Federation Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:54:00 - [123] Originally by: Arianhod So, the hastily edited map of the proposed Celtic Federation -------------------------------------------
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.05 18:55:00 - [124] lol. guise.. srsly u guise leave some for me
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:02:00 - [125] Originally by: Thorliaron Originally by: mercyonman and this is why america is awsome because you can get arrested without reason or probable cause? America already does what we do, however they don't complain about because they then get called Unpatriotic, which is something Americans fear more than death apparently. They also don't seem to advertise that they change the law like we do, or that their press is in on it (a combination of both probably!). ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:04:00 - [126] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Thorliaron Originally by: mercyonman and this is why america is awsome because you can get arrested without reason or probable cause? America already does what we do, however they don't complain about because they then get called Unpatriotic, which is something Americans fear more than death apparently. They also don't seem to advertise that they change the law like we do, or that their press is in on it (a combination of both probably!). wise man say call attorney in sue happy country.
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:06:00 - [127] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich wise man say call attorney in sue happy country. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:07:00 - [128] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Thorliaron Originally by: mercyonman and this is why america is awsome because you can get arrested without reason or probable cause? America already does what we do, however they don't complain about because they then get called Unpatriotic, which is something Americans fear more than death apparently. They also don't seem to advertise that they change the law like we do, or that their press is in on it (a combination of both probably!). Patriotism is only one step away from Facism, I think that we need to play it safe with the yanks for the time being, that is until their near future collapse. Mind you if you go as far as forming an alliance with middle eastern states (a nightmare, but plausable if you appeal to only one group) then the Yanks can't do ****, but thats my opinion.
Thorliaron Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:09:00 - [129] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Thorliaron Originally by: mercyonman and this is why america is awsome because you can get arrested without reason or probable cause? America already does what we do, however they don't complain about because they then get called Unpatriotic, which is something Americans fear more than death apparently. They also don't seem to advertise that they change the law like we do, or that their press is in on it (a combination of both probably!). Patriotism is only one step away from Facism, I think that we need to play it safe with the yanks for the time being, that is until their near future collapse. Mind you if you go as far as forming an alliance with middle eastern states (a nightmare, but plausable if you appeal to only one group) then the Yanks can't do ****, but thats my opinion. apart from invade you or send you back to the stone age with all them nukes just sitting there
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:11:00 - [130] Originally by: Thorliaron apart from invade you or send you back to the stone age with all them nukes just sitting there At which point every other Nuclear power realises what the USA is doing and hits that Macroed launch sequence. Nuclear Launch Detected... Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:12:00 - [131] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: Thorliaron apart from invade you or send you back to the stone age with all them nukes just sitting there At which point every other Nuclear power realises what the USA is doing and hits that Macroed launch sequence. Nuclear Launch Detected... exactly. (was gonna post something similar but forums ate my post)
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:23:00 - [132] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: Thorliaron apart from invade you or send you back to the stone age with all them nukes just sitting there At which point every other Nuclear power realises what the USA is doing and hits that Macroed launch sequence. Nuclear Launch Detected... Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected... fix'd
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:26:00 - [133] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: Thorliaron apart from invade you or send you back to the stone age with all them nukes just sitting there At which point every other Nuclear power realises what the USA is doing and hits that Macroed launch sequence. Nuclear Launch Detected... Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected...Nuclear Launch Detected... We require additional Pylons... fix'd Double fix'd Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:26:00 - [134] Originally by: Arianhod So, the hastily edited map of the proposed Celtic Federation :eddy izzard voice: Do you have a flag? ~~~~ There is no parody in this thread. Honest.
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 19:28:00 - [135] Originally by: Dr Slaughter Originally by: Arianhod So, the hastily edited map of the proposed Celtic Federation :eddy izzard voice: Do you have a flag? ? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.01.05 20:24:00 - [136] Originally by: Arianhod So, the hastily edited map of the proposed Celtic Federation Can Gloucestershire join too? Please? Pleasey weasey weasey? ____________________
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 20:29:00 - [137] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: Arianhod So, the hastily edited map of the proposed Celtic Federation Can Gloucestershire join too? Please? Pleasey weasey weasey? Isn't it the bit at the end of the Bristol Channel? The bit at on the south east most tip of the Greater Wales area? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.05 21:38:00 - [138] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: Dr Slaughter Originally by: Arianhod So, the hastily edited map of the proposed Celtic Federation :eddy izzard voice: Do you have a flag? ? Ah yes but those sun glasses, they don't let in 70% of the natural light doooo they? I'm afraid your flag is illegal. You will have to remove it or receive three points on your license and a ú60 fine.. and several hundred more years of us. ~~~~ There is no parody in this thread. Honest.
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 21:42:00 - [139] Originally by: Dr Slaughter Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: Dr Slaughter Originally by: Arianhod So, the hastily edited map of the proposed Celtic Federation :eddy izzard voice: Do you have a flag? ? Ah yes but those sun glasses, they don't let in 70% of the natural light doooo they? I'm afraid your flag is illegal. You will have to remove it or receive three points on your license and a ú60 fine.. and several hundred more years of us. Good thing the black ones are pointy boomerang used to pin the enemy down before striking it with our gargantuan drills. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.05 23:00:00 - [140] Originally by: Arianhod Good thing the black ones are pointy boomerang used to pin the enemy down before striking it with our gargantuan drills. Well, with the Celtic Federation, at least we'd be getting something better than the Welsh National Anthem. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.05 23:03:00 - [141] Edited by: Shanzem on 05/01/2009 23:06:20 Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: Arianhod Good thing the black ones are pointy boomerang used to pin the enemy down before striking it with our gargantuan drills. Well, with the Celtic Federation, at least we'd be getting something better than the Welsh National Anthem. Leek soup Oh god there's a wiki, there's always a wiki Loituma Girl -------------------------------------------
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.05 23:10:00 - [142] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: Arianhod Good thing the black ones are pointy boomerang used to pin the enemy down before striking it with our gargantuan drills. Well, with the Celtic Federation, at least we'd be getting something better than the Welsh National Anthem. A potential contender http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hNMH-Gsi-xE&feature=related But my personal fav for it http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OIUxwEJ-GXI&feature=channel_page o7 Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.06 01:54:00 - [143] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: Dr Slaughter Originally by: Arianhod So, the hastily edited map of the proposed Celtic Federation :eddy izzard voice: Do you have a flag? ? We wont be having that, since it represents a Union between England, Scotland and N. Ireland. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2009.01.06 04:30:00 - [144] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Thorliaron Originally by: mercyonman and this is why america is awsome because you can get arrested without reason or probable cause? America already does what we do, however they don't complain about because they then get called Unpatriotic, which is something Americans fear more than death apparently. They also don't seem to advertise that they change the law like we do, or that their press is in on it (a combination of both probably!). Remember this guy and what he said before he committed suicide? How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.06 06:06:00 - [145] Originally by: Pan Crastus Remember this guy and what he said before he committed suicide? Using psychology in warfare or to control others has been a tactic of many since time began. Goering was right of course but it only needs for the enemy to convince the people that what they bring is liberation and they will welcome it with open arms. A war waged from within is often won by the very people who would otherwise be shooting at you. Show the people that their own government is the enemy while you bring peace, properity and freedom. Show them that you are not willing to take up arms against them because you are not willing to kill them in order to set them free. So many in history have made the mistake of trying to use force to take what they want, this serves only to enrage and make them determined to beat the agressor back. Terrorists kill innocents to get attention for their cause, rather than bring them support, it brings them destruction. Yes, I agree with the statement he made but it can work both ways. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2009.01.06 07:03:00 - [146] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Goering was right of course but it only needs for the enemy to convince the people that what they bring is liberation and they will welcome it with open arms. When has this ever happened? Can you name some examples? I know it's what Bush tried to make everyone believe, but AFAIK it has never worked and I'm sure he knew it never would. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.06 08:44:00 - [147] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Dantes Revenge Goering was right of course but it only needs for the enemy to convince the people that what they bring is liberation and they will welcome it with open arms. When has this ever happened? Can you name some examples? I know it's what Bush tried to make everyone believe, but AFAIK it has never worked and I'm sure he knew it never would. The operative word is CONVINCE. It's also a fact that the charisma attribute works wonders for that too which I'm afraid Bush was severely lacking on. How do you think people like the guy at Wako managed to get everyone to commit suicide? How do you think most of those cult religious group manage to brainwash people into being zombies with no will of their own? -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Lothris Andastar	Posted - 2009.01.06 08:49:00 - [148] Use PeerGuardian2 next Plz
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2009.01.06 09:21:00 - [149] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Dantes Revenge Goering was right of course but it only needs for the enemy to convince the people that what they bring is liberation and they will welcome it with open arms. When has this ever happened? Can you name some examples? I know it's what Bush tried to make everyone believe, but AFAIK it has never worked and I'm sure he knew it never would. The operative word is CONVINCE. It's also a fact that the charisma attribute works wonders for that too which I'm afraid Bush was severely lacking on. GWB was widely regarded as very charismatic (although not very bright). Just compare him to Putin ... Quote: How do you think people like the guy at Wako managed to get everyone to commit suicide? How do you think most of those cult religious group manage to brainwash people into being zombies with no will of their own? Wrong examples, the religious freaks' own leader has it much easier to convince them of course. We were talking about convincing the population while being the enemy, the aggressor. At least you were claiming that it is possible. Bush tried and failed (in Iraq). How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.06 13:38:00 - [150] Originally by: Pan Crastus Wrong examples, the religious freaks' own leader has it much easier to convince them of course. We were talking about convincing the population while being the enemy, the aggressor. At least you were claiming that it is possible. Bush tried and failed (in Iraq). Bush went in with guns while he tried it. He also had all the charisma of a wild boar. You can't do this overnight, it takes time and patience and a good knowledge of the politics and the desires of the people. If you want to seduce people, you have to do it in stages. It's pretty obvious they are not going to suddenly accept you as their saviour, you have to work to convince them. Religious freaks they may be but they are able to recruit. Until they join, he is not their leader, he's just another religious nut trying to create his own church. Remember that everyone considers you an enemy until you prove you are a friend, you just need to know how to push the right buttons to make them warm up to you. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2009.01.06 13:48:00 - [151] Just another reason to stay away from closed source software like Windows. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Glarion Garnier Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.01.07 01:00:00 - [152] Originally by: Jim McGregor Just another reason to stay away from closed source software like Windows. But Jim Jim have you read the source of say Ubuntu your self _________________________________ -be vary of the men behind the curtain-

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