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Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.04 21:06:00 - [61] Originally by: Glarion Garnier Originally by: ReaperOfSly Wasn't there a time when police used to be servants of the people? When law enforcement was a secondary priority? In uk they are servants to the queen. .You live in illusions buddy. only in certain countries do they serve the ppl. They were first created by John Peel and called 'Peelers' and were there to serve the public. However, their first prority was always law enforcement, it's what the organisation was created to do. Even now, they are not classed as 'civil servants' but 'public servants' and therefore technically still serve the public rather than the queen. The fact that they wear the queens insignia means nothing except that they are sanctioned by the queen. It would be like saying RSPCA are the queens servant just because they have the word Royal in their organisation name and bear the queens seal of approval. Since the Magna Carta is our only bill of rights, it is wise to know it. Quote: We have granted also, and given to all the Freemen of our Realm, for Us and our Heirs for ever, these Liberties under-written, to have and to hold to them and their Heirs, of Us and our Heirs for ever. The above states that the rules put forward in the Magna Carta cannot be revoked. Anyone looking at the rules will notice that many already have been repealed. In effect, this can be interpreted as an illegal act in itself. Quote: Clause 38 requires more than the mere word of an official, before any person could be put on trial. So the police can hack in and look at illegal stuff on your computer all day. There's nothing they can do about it since they are classed as officials. That was included to protect people from corrupt officials who would charge you without evidence on their word alone. It also protected you from having evidence planted by officials. Hacking is illegal under the data protection act. This act would include authorities hacking as information on any machine, even a private one is protected under this act. To enforce this, they would have to repeal the data protection act. To enforce this, one would need only to have sensitive data like a list of phone numbers on their PC, even a backup of your mobile contacts list. Even the police are subject to this law. Also, the can of worms that someone else suggested. What is to stop anyone saying that any incriminating evidence had been planted by the person hacking in? The onus would be on them to prove it wasn't planted. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.04 21:23:00 - [62] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: ReaperOfSly You can have hidden partitions. So you would decrypt the visible volume, but there would be no evidence of that volume containing a hidden partition within it. I use a program called TrueCrypt which offers this feature. I'm not telling you if I've used it however. Detecting encrypted/hidden volumes is actually quite easy to do. I've done it a few times. What's this a 180GB drive with only a 100GB partition, I wonder where the rest is? However the obvious difficulty is obtaining the key. The point is, you don't see that only 100GB is used. Say you have a 180GB encrypted volume. Inside that volume, you can place a 80GB hidden volume which uses a different password to the outer volume. Now, all your enemy can see is that there is a 180GB encrypted volume on the hard drive. If he forces you to tell him the password, you tell him the password to the outer volume. When it's open, it looks like a 180GB partition with just under 100GB of data on it, and 80GB free space. He takes the data and goes home happy. If you had used the other password, it would have opened up the hidden partition which just looks like a 80GB partition, and this is where you keep the really juicy stuff. The only problem with this system is that if your enemy tries to write a file to the outer volume, you risk corrupting the hidden volume. Yes, for the stupid people who just want to "see the files", but I've used forensic tools that will tell us straight off that data is encrypted. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Davina Braben	Posted - 2009.01.04 21:50:00 - [63] Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it.
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.04 21:54:00 - [64] Edited by: Arianhod on 04/01/2009 21:53:54 Originally by: Davina Braben Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. Come now, the concept of "better 10 guilty walk free than one innocent incarcerated" was thrown out the window a while back. Get with the times man Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.04 21:58:00 - [65] Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. How do ID cards protect the innocent? In fact if anything they will give terrorists a cover of legitimacy. ID cards are just supposed to confirm the identity of the person carrying the card. It won't do anything for security, it won't protect the innocent, it won't make us feel safe. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.04 22:59:00 - [66] Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. Ok little bug. You better pray the giant does not tread on you, for all the good it will do you. shin ku myo u
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2009.01.04 23:11:00 - [67] Have fun with the planted evidence on your PCs guys! I have been wondering lately whether they put something in your drinking water in the UK (tranquilizers?) with all the stuff people are enduring there without getting upset, protesting (yeah I know it's not allowed anymore when it would be effective), riots etc. ... Maybe it's just the estrogene from the Pill that made the Brits' balls shrivel away. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.04 23:23:00 - [68] Edited by: Shanzem on 04/01/2009 23:24:48 Originally by: Pan Crastus Have fun with the planted evidence on your PCs guys! I have been wondering lately whether they put something in your drinking water in the UK (tranquilizers?) with all the stuff people are enduring there without getting upset, protesting (yeah I know it's not allowed anymore when it would be effective), riots etc. ... Maybe it's just the estrogene from the Pill that made the Brits' balls shrivel away. Its called Alcohol, Look up drinking culture and binge drinking. But then this coming back to the English man`s dream isn't it? -------------------------------------------
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.04 23:31:00 - [69] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. How do ID cards protect the innocent? In fact if anything they will give terrorists a cover of legitimacy. ID cards are just supposed to confirm the identity of the person carrying the card. It won't do anything for security, it won't protect the innocent, it won't make us feel safe. Well said. @AmosTrask It's true that a lot of terrorists have been living in this country for years. Re: The Doctor in the Glasgow airport bombing attempt. How would his holding an ID card prevent this, how would it help police catch him? We already have an ID card system in place the same as any other country in the world. It's called a passport, why whould we need an expensive bit of plastic as well? The UK gov't has been trying to find more and more ways to make us part with our money and put it in their pockets, the ID card is just another one of those scams. If they really ant us to have one, issue one with no expense to us. If they are so adamant that it will help them combat terrorism and crime, this would be a small price for them to pay. The amount they say they would save on investigation would be worth it. Jail or not, I refuse to carry one and I have absolutely nothing to hide as the 10 year vetting for my SIA license proved. I have already said I won't be updating that when it runs out, I resent paying ú300 to the government to allow me to work in a job I've been doing for years before the licenses came out. The recent scandal about so many illegals getting SIA licenses proved it doesn't work anyway. It's just more documents and personal information about us for hte government departments to "lose". -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Nuala Reece Caldari Starlancers	Posted - 2009.01.04 23:49:00 - [70] Originally by: Pan Crastus I have been wondering lately whether they put something in your drinking water in the UK (tranquilizers?) with all the stuff people are enduring there without getting upset, protesting (yeah I know it's not allowed anymore when it would be effective), riots etc. ... Maybe it's just the estrogene from the Pill that made the Brits' balls shrivel away. Like Robert Anton Wilson said (although not about the Brits but it seems we haven't been too far behind) we've been domesticated, like chickens, to the point of idiocy - chickens still know they should hide behind a bush if there's a threat but they've been bred so stupid they still carry on cluck-cluck-clucking loudly from their cunning hiding place. Originally by: Dantes Revenge We already have an ID card system in place the same as any other country in the world. It's called a passport, why whould we need an expensive bit of plastic as well? The UK gov't has been trying to find more and more ways to make us part with our money and put it in their pockets, the ID card is just another one of those scams. If they really ant us to have one, issue one with no expense to us. If they are so adamant that it will help them combat terrorism and crime, this would be a small price for them to pay. The amount they say they would save on investigation would be worth it. Jail or not, I refuse to carry one and I have absolutely nothing to hide as the 10 year vetting for my SIA license proved. I have already said I won't be updating that when it runs out, I resent paying ú300 to the government to allow me to work in a job I've been doing for years before the licenses came out. The recent scandal about so many illegals getting SIA licenses proved it doesn't work anyway. It's just more documents and personal information about us for hte government departments to "lose". Likewise - every time I've gone for a job in care, or moved positions in my current job, I've gone for an 'enhanced disclosure' where my records are checked for criminal convictions or even allegations that could suggest I'm not a suitable person to work with vulnerable people. This year, though, I'll also be asked to 'volunteer' to go on the ID register - this won't actually add any further protection for the people I work with than is already in place but if I refuse to go on the register I won't be able to apply for my enhanced disclosure and, as a result, would not be able to continue in my chosen profession of the last 15 years. The only difference thi will make is to coerce me into signing up to an expensive and unpopular scheme, gather more personal information from me than I was required to provide for a disclosure and then, at a time of Gordon Brown's choosing, sell that information on to private companies for marketting purposes (unless, of course, someone in the civil services looses it first). It's really a straw too much for me - I spend a good part of my working life encouraging vulnerable children to stand up against bullying and am now facing a situation where my own government is effectively attempting to bully me into their ID scheme. If the government really believe their much used maxim 'if people have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear' it makes me wonder why they feel the need to edge the ID register in with so much sly and underhanded behaviour. Not for me thanks.
kendo Collins Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp	Posted - 2009.01.05 00:38:00 - [71] Of course any government wants to have information on its citizens and up to a point it can be helpful however its the bad things the losing of such info carelessly which is a real worry. It all feels like an unstopable train in 10 years i forsee dna taken in one way or another of the whole population, a good thing perhaps? Now fast forward say 20 years in time and hypothetically a new government which lets just say wants complete control over the individuals in the state. What a wonderful amount of data they will have and if they dont like you because your either ie: welsh,moslim,gay,etc then id guess youd better start living in the woods. ps welsh here only
Kakuremichi	Posted - 2009.01.05 01:24:00 - [72] Originally by: ReaperOfSly So the hacking methods mentioned, we have: Hijacking your wireless network Sending keylogger software as an email attachment Breaking in and installing a keylogger So basically, the only people who need to worry about this are morons on broadcast SSID, non mac-address locked wireless networks, and who happily open .exe files from an unknown email sender. Installing a physical keylogger would require a warrant anyway. Some real hardcore "hacking" here. I just hope they don't start employing anyone who knows what they're doing. Oh wait - they can't! They can't afford a real hacker because they get chuff all funding. Yay! Big Brother is underfunded! Bold = correction, encryption on wireless isn't that hard to crack with dedicated software, as the router and device have to send the code to each other to verify the packets they are sending as authorized, a sniffer program can find this and apply it within 10minutes last time I checked. I meddled with truecrypt, but I found it very difficult to use without a lot of fiddling
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2009.01.05 01:35:00 - [73] Originally by: Arianhod Can anyone recommend some encryption software? i would help you, but i dont need it, as i dont live in the UK man, that sucks. . . . . i thought red light cameras were bad here in the US . . . . or do they have those in the UK to? Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.01.05 01:50:00 - [74] Yesterday I was talking to some people and I said the UK is one of the most oppressive countries in the world and they didn't understand what I was talking about. HAHAHAHA This is just fantastic. All those who think that only criminals have something to hide will realise soon that EVERYONE is a criminal the moment the government decides they are and there is nothing they can do about it because they so readily gave up their freedom. Oh look at those poor Lybians, they have it so bad and yet you should start envying them now. Enjoy your Na-zi state.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.01.05 02:05:00 - [75] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 05/01/2009 01:45:55 Originally by: Arianhod Can anyone recommend some encryption software? i would help you, but ive never needed it, as i dont live in the UK man, that sucks. . . . . i thought red light cameras were bad here in the US . . . . or do they have those in the UK to? We've got speed cameras to check whether we're going over the speed limit when we drive, and ones to detect whether our cars are insured properly and stuff, so simmilar things I guess. Seriously, the government are ******s, the lot of them. Then they wonder why we hate them. Granted, as the public that's our duty, but this is just ridiculous.
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.05 02:43:00 - [76] Originally by: kor anon The times has an article here Now this is taking the ****, Big brother indeed. And not only that, but these procedures may be adopted in other EU countries, as our home security office is trying to convince other nations to do the same. Another step on the road to popular revolt I say. and this is why america is awsome maybe i shouldn't of jumped through that gate
Cierejai Caldari BlackSite Prophecy	Posted - 2009.01.05 02:44:00 - [77] Well the simple solution is to simple not break the law. If you don't break the law then you don't have a problem. Don't know why this is so hard for people to understand.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:24:00 - [78] Originally by: Cierejai Well the simple solution is to simple not break the law. If you don't break the law then you don't have a problem. Don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. I don't think is that simple... there are so many silly laws that you are bound to break some sooner or later.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:27:00 - [79] Originally by: Pan Crastus Have fun with the planted evidence on your PCs guys! ... Bingo... I don't know how I missed that myself... pretty scary indeed.
ouroboros trading Gallente Medics On Fire	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:33:00 - [80] Originally by: Cierejai Well the simple solution is to simple not break the law. If you don't break the law then you don't have a problem. Don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. you've obviously never broken the law, and thus don't know how damn good it feels 66891? That's Numberwang!
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:37:00 - [81] Originally by: Cierejai Well the simple solution is to simple not break the law. If you don't break the law then you don't have a problem. Don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. You're missing the point. Governments are stepping way out of bounds for OUR safety. Violating everyones rights just to please some small brained idiots who have a SEVERE distrust of, well pretty much everyone else and anything they don't (or simply refuse to) understand. It's great this grand policed world that we're making for our children. Soon we won't have to worry about educating them or raising them because the state will tell you what to do. Hell, I'm gonna start bubble wrapping everything just so all the mouth-breathers can frolic about without denting their soft heads. Because (repeat after me) We're all a bunch of idiots who can't take care of ourselves at all. Please save us o wise and terrible oz. George was right. The future is here. I'm still looking at islands to buy... shin ku myo u
Epideme	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:42:00 - [82] The thing I find really amusing is that the more these "improvements to public safety and security" are implemented, I don't see any decrease in my chances of being knifed, muggged, abused or gunned down in the street.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:45:00 - [83] Originally by: Cierejai Well the simple solution is to simple not break the law. If you don't break the law then you don't have a problem. Don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. Now which one of the dozen or so generalised laws that everyone knows about but ignores? I'm talking about the ones that enable a police officer to stop you in your car and have you done even though your car has only just passed an MOT, has tax and insurance and you have a full license? Yes a copper even told me he could find something on my car to have me fined for even though it was 100% legal. The ones that also allow a copper to stop you in the street and take you for questioning 'on suspicion' and hold you (imprisonment) for up to 72 hours even though he knows you've done nothing wrong? The ones that can allow photo evidence to nail you because you just happened to be in the right place at the wrong time? Or could it be the ones that allow a copper to arrest you and take away your car (theft) because DVLA lost your license details and now show you as only having a provisional license? I fell victim to that one after driving on a full license for over 9 years. For reasons of security, I do not carry my license with me and only after that I realised I'd left it at my abusive ex wifes house when I left her. She's probably destroyed it along with the rest of my stuff I left behind and I have no idea wher she's moved to. Maybe you won't be so smug if a government organisation decides to lose your details resulting in you breaking the law doing something you've always been entitled to do before. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:52:00 - [84] Originally by: Epideme The thing I find really amusing is that the more these "improvements to public safety and security" are implemented, I don't see any decrease in my chances of being knifed, muggged, abused or gunned down in the street. That's because it's easier to go after the soft targets who have less rights and are therefore a much easier target for the police. Soon it's going to be more like "I'm arresting you for carrying so much money and inciting others to mug you." -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Epideme	Posted - 2009.01.05 04:54:00 - [85] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: Epideme The thing I find really amusing is that the more these "improvements to public safety and security" are implemented, I don't see any decrease in my chances of being knifed, muggged, abused or gunned down in the street. That's because it's easier to go after the soft targets who have less rights and are therefore a much easier target for the police. Soon it's going to be more like "I'm arresting you for carrying so much money and inciting others to mug you." Indeed, I think a life of crime might actually be easier than working for a living these days and I'm only half joking
Overseer Aliena Caldari Lord of Wars	Posted - 2009.01.05 05:39:00 - [86] Originally by: AmosTrask Never had a problem with this, Or id cards or street cams all these things are to protect the innocent only the guilty should really have a problem with any of it. I am reminded of a story I was once told a long time ago, although I don't remember most of it. The basis was about a man and his wife. They lived happily. Then men in black coats came along and asked for the man to tell them secrets of people they knew. He obliged happily for he did not worry and felt safe. Each week the men would come back and ask for more secrets and he gave them to the men for he did not worry about it and he felt safe, while the people he knew were taken away. Several weeks went by and before long the man had run out of secrets to tell. The black coat figures grew restless and the man told them secrets of wife, and she was taken away. The man did not worry because he was still safe. The next week the black coats came back and the man pleaded that he had no more information. They felt he was keeping a secret and they hauled him away. The man was worried now, for he was no longer safe, but it was too late now.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2009.01.05 05:51:00 - [87] Originally by: Cierejai Well the simple solution is to simple not break the law. If you don't break the law then you don't have a problem. Don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. In many countries you can easily get arrested and imprisoned without committing a crime. Where I live, animal rights activists were in prison for 100 days because someone thought they knew someone who had committed a crime. They picked out 10 better-known activists and constructed a fictional organization around them and while they had no indication whatsoever that one of them committed a crime, they blamed that fictional organization and incarcerated them. So be careful, perhaps they'll invent the "EVE players terrorist group" next if some EVE player committs a crime and you will be one of the lucky guys selected for prosecution... It's the new breed of anti-terrorism laws that makes this possible. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2009.01.05 05:54:00 - [88] Originally by: Epideme The thing I find really amusing is that the more these "improvements to public safety and security" are implemented, I don't see any decrease in my chances of being knifed, muggged, abused or gunned down in the street. If they took effective measures against crime, people would no longer be so much convinced that there is a need for surveillance etc. ... Modern totalitarian governments need to make themselves necessary in the eyes of the public. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Cierejai Caldari BlackSite Prophecy	Posted - 2009.01.05 06:01:00 - [89] Edited by: Cierejai on 05/01/2009 06:03:14 Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Cierejai Well the simple solution is to simple not break the law. If you don't break the law then you don't have a problem. Don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. In many countries you can easily get arrested and imprisoned without committing a crime. Where I live, animal rights activists were in prison for 100 days because someone thought they knew someone who had committed a crime. They picked out 10 better-known activists and constructed a fictional organization around them and while they had no indication whatsoever that one of them committed a crime, they blamed that fictional organization and incarcerated them. So be careful, perhaps they'll invent the "EVE players terrorist group" next if some EVE player committs a crime and you will be one of the lucky guys selected for prosecution... It's the new breed of anti-terrorism laws that makes this possible. Well I certainly don't enjoy watching uninformed/biased protesters blocking traffic with their propaganda. But it's their right in Canada, unfortunately. Edit: People turn a blind eye to the mistreatment of cows, chickens, etc.. because those animals are raised to be our food, while we are outraged when dogs and cats are mistreated, because we raise those animals to be companions. To be part of our family.
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.05 15:31:00 - [90] Edited by: jason hill on 05/01/2009 15:31:22 in the uk police can do you for NOT having water in your windscreen washer bottle.... suks to be us huh destroy everything you touch

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